[tomorrowcomestoday]

Hi, I have had to quit heroin and oxy cold turkey 3 times. I am not sure why I didnt learn the first time...



anyways there is a lot to cover, that i spent hours and days researching, i would just like to include it here, for anyone currently attempting, or concidering kicking the habit

If you can get suboxone, or have a buddy with it, or whatever... get it. take it for 3-4 days, then be done. otherwise you can get hooked on that stuff which has a less extreme withdrawal but it lasts for weeks at a time! but man, it works so well for the really bad days. methadone really doesnt work, it more of puts off the withdrawal a day or so, then you get to go through it... trust me.

so assuming you cant get suboxone here is how to survive!

narc-anon made a vitamin regiment, that dumbed down is calcium and magnesium 3 times a day and multivitamins. lots of both. dont be scared it wont kill you, just dont go overboard it can make you sick. Those that used that treatment reported less severe symptoms, and i agree it does make a slight difference

From other research i found that L-Tyrosine will help with energy and I tried it along with something called MindZen, i found it at my Good Health store, on a recommendation there. Both help with mood during withdrawal. I highly recommend these along with the vitamins. Also fish oil has a lot of natural good fancy word ******** in it and it seems to help as well.

I wont cover restless legs, insomnia, crying for no reason, depression, anxiety, anger, all that because it has been covered. Get yourself comfortable before you attempt, take a week off work, and keep the vitamins and advil and pepto-bismal close by. It will be aweful, you will hate yourself but it will be ok, dont be a wimp. Also, soft foods like pudding and bananas were the only thing i could eat for the first 3 or 4 days due to nausea.

Alcohol will help you with the withdrawal... but it will make it way worse when your crashing. I don't really recommend it, but drinking a beer every hour did make it easier although you already will have the runs... it will make it way worse.

One more thing that took me forever to find info on... guys will have something called hypogonadism (serious) which will make you very sensitive... if you have sex you will last an embarrassingly short amount of time. It sucks... just know its normal. its a testosterone deficiency, just wikipedia or google it for more info.


There you go, hope you all caught this, probably from google searches or whatever. Pass the information along. Get support, get help, do whatever you have to do. I really, sincerely, hope this helps someone out there quit. I have gone through this enough and dont want to keep wasting days. if your still using look at what a piece of ******** you now are. you may feel like your on top but you are slowly losing everything. has anyone ever heard an addict say "im so glad i started, im way more successful now"? Of course not. think of what you could have done with all that money! Stop now, dont go back!

[tomorrowcomestoday]

I will be checking this regularly, if anyone needs help with advice or anything or just some support provide your email or aim screename and ill answer any questions whenever i can. I feel obligated to lend a hand as so many have done before to help me. Pay it forward.

by the way, thomas recipe dont bother. I forgot to mention that. Use the vitamins. the thomas recipe basically would include a muscle relaxer or a tricylic antidepressant that will make you sleepy but i promise you wont sleep much if at all regardless for the first 3 or 4 days anyways. Just make sure you have plenty of tv to watch. I had every episode of family guy on my computer... and man, i watched the ******** out of those heh.

On the 3rd night i usually get about 5 or 6 hours of sleep, which is really the first time. take some tylonol pm but remember it has acetaminophen in it, so dont take too much it will get you sick. also, remember tehre is acetaminophen (tylonol), aspirin (bayer), and ibuprophen (advil). they are all called NSAIDs basically over the counter fever reducers and pain relievers. they are all different and can be mixed a little. Dont take 2 tylonol every 2 hours, try switching around so you dont get sick. Drink milk when you take any of them since you wont be eating they will upset your stomach

[tomorrowcomestoday]

last thing, an elaboration on that hypogonadism, it will go away. studys say it takes about a month to gain back the old labido

[Robert_325]

The Thomas Recipe works great for your information. Don't come on here telling people it doesn't do it. It's your garbage scientology narconon I have a problem with. I will make sure no one follows through from here on anything having to do with narconon. Trust me.

[tomorrowcomestoday]

hey, im not saying that narc-anon stuff is the best way but the vallum never fixed the withdrawal for me... alcohol worked better and you dont have to worry about kciking the vallum habit after

[tomorrowcomestoday]

and i never went to narcanon... i said at the begining i was using suboxone when i could get it... they dont let you use that stuff. nice quick judgement though.

If your gunna be a asshole about it ill correct my statement. The thomas recipe didnt do me any good, so in my experience I didnt have ******** for luck. robert, would you rather i hadnt shared any concepts at all? jesus ********ing christ (now ********** about blasphemy). I hope some of you will actually try some of the stuff i mentioned. I really hope it works for you.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by tomorrowcomestoday

hey, im not saying that narc-anon stuff is the best way but the vallum never fixed the withdrawal for me... alcohol worked better and you dont have to worry about kciking the vallum habit after

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You won't become addicted to valium in four days like the Thomas Recipe suggests using it and alcohol is probably the worst thing you could take during detox. It will totally dehydrate you along with the dehydration from diarrhea and all the other symptoms of detox.

[Robert_325]

And you're right, cutting out the blasphemy will work fine too. That is uncalled for. There is no reason to use vile language on a public forum.

[tomorrowcomestoday]

again, I came on here to tell people what worked for me. I took the valium and it didnt do anything but make me more lathargic. I drank alcohol and could eat and get out of the house. I normally drink a lot of water so i havent dealt with dehydrating... but again... i still didnt recommend drinking either. read it.

[Robert_325]

You said you drank a beer a freakin hour! What is that about??? Why say you did it on something you're recommending. I'm done with this thread. God bless.

[tomorrowcomestoday]

"Alcohol will help you with the withdrawal... but it will make it way worse when your crashing. I don't really recommend it, but drinking a beer every hour did make it easier although you already will have the runs... it will make it way worse."

[stevenBn]

I actually went through narconon and did that whole stupid treatment. that sucked. the calmags do actually help robert. sounds like your the one not giving the sound advice. i will try to find the other vitamins. where did you find that information? do they sell it at GNC?

by the way I have a buddy that just drank through the whole thing... said the mornings were worse then the withdrawal . I dont think he thought it was a good idea either

[stevenBn]

unless your referring to that whole sessions and step program stuff... that didnt help. thats why i have to quit again haha

How do you all even GET valium !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Robert_325]

You guys just do as you choose with the narconon junk, the drinking, all this stuff. Go for it. Most of my advice is pretty unsound and wrong most of the time anyway. Hope it works well for you both.

[stevenBn]

sorry, im new posting here but are you the alpha male of sorts trying to show his dominance? it just seems like you want to argue with that guy.

better yet, what is your recommendation? What if someone (like myself) cant get the valium you all talk about for the tompson recipe? I have to work as well so i dont think getting loaded is a viable idea either...

[stevenBn]

thomas* in before the correction!

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by stevenBn

sorry, im new posting here but are you the alpha male of sorts trying to show his dominance? it just seems like you want to argue with that guy.

better yet, what is your recommendation? What if someone (like myself) cant get the valium you all talk about for the tompson recipe? I have to work as well so i dont think getting loaded is a viable idea either...

I don't have to show my dominance with anyone. The guy was saying a bunch of junk that was wrong. That's the bottom line. Give correct advice or don't give any. This isn't an arm wrestling contest, it's a medical forum.

I never suggested "getting loaded" on valium. Read the Thomas Recipe, explain to your dr what you're doing and he will most likely write a script for four days of valium like is recommended. If you plain can't get it then use valerian root, its at GNC, almost any pharmacy and it's cheap. God bless.

[melinda7.5]

OK, you two boys, I think if you do some reading on this site you will see how many people Robert has helped.
You wont be able to count them I will tell you that !!!
If you need help, Robert is always willing to help you.But I don't think he needs this kind of aggravation so just sit back and listen and maybe you will learn something....
I'm not trying to be rude it's just the way it is....
Have a great day, Melinda