I thought I was out of the woods..Boy was I wrong..

[Nomrlys]

This is my second time back..(still read all the time but havent been posting)..My first time here I was trying to get off of Opana 40s..I used a very short Sub plan (1 week) and was off of everything for a couple months..WELL..like so many others Im back..Addiction is so strange..Its like a sleeping beast waiting to be awaken..It really did let me think that I had Won and then BOOM..it ripped the rug out from under my feet..
Anyway..the first time I went through this it was with others knowing..this time I need to atleast try to get help without raising the flags..Im supposed to be getting married in a few months and I want to get subox therapy..my fiance is totally against me doing this but I feel I need to..I know alot of people say its just trading one drug for another but I feel in my head that I need to go that route..this isnt going to be an easy ride no matter what way I turn but I need help..bottom line

[thalia45]

This is my second time back..(still read all the time but havent been posting)..My first time here I was trying to get off of Opana 40s..I used a very short Sub plan (1 week) and was off of everything for a couple months..WELL..like so many others Im back..Addiction is so strange..Its like a sleeping beast waiting to be awaken..It really did let me think that I had Won and then BOOM..it ripped the rug out from under my feet..
Anyway..the first time I went through this it was with others knowing..this time I need to atleast try to get help without raising the flags..Im supposed to be getting married in a few months and I want to get subox therapy..my fiance is totally against me doing this but I feel I need to..I know alot of people say its just trading one drug for another but I feel in my head that I need to go that route..this isnt going to be an easy ride no matter what way I turn but I need help..bottom line

Don't know anything about Opana (always another one isn't there!) Bumping this thread up so it doesn't get lost, and please post. People care.

[surfdog]

This is my second time back..(still read all the time but havent been posting)..My first time here I was trying to get off of Opana 40s..I used a very short Sub plan (1 week) and was off of everything for a couple months..WELL..like so many others Im back..Addiction is so strange..Its like a sleeping beast waiting to be awaken..It really did let me think that I had Won and then BOOM..it ripped the rug out from under my feet..
Anyway..the first time I went through this it was with others knowing..this time I need to atleast try to get help without raising the flags..Im supposed to be getting married in a few months and I want to get subox therapy..my fiance is totally against me doing this but I feel I need to..I know alot of people say its just trading one drug for another but I feel in my head that I need to go that route..this isnt going to be an easy ride no matter what way I turn but I need help..bottom line

Normls, no one beats this disease, it can't be beaten but it can be treated. I would not go the sub route myself but that is up to you. They are much harder to get off . Give that some thought and check with Robert would be my suggestion Surfdog

[ARTIST658]

This is my second time back..(still read all the time but havent been posting)..My first time here I was trying to get off of Opana 40s..I used a very short Sub plan (1 week) and was off of everything for a couple months..WELL..like so many others Im back..Addiction is so strange..Its like a sleeping beast waiting to be awaken..It really did let me think that I had Won and then BOOM..it ripped the rug out from under my feet..
Anyway..the first time I went through this it was with others knowing..this time I need to atleast try to get help without raising the flags..Im supposed to be getting married in a few months and I want to get subox therapy..my fiance is totally against me doing this but I feel I need to..I know alot of people say its just trading one drug for another but I feel in my head that I need to go that route..this isnt going to be an easy ride no matter what way I turn but I need help..bottom line

What tripped you up last time was not the issue of how long you used the subs. It sounds like you were clean several months when you relapsed. It's much more likely that your relapse resulted from failing to deal with the psychological, emotional and spiritual parts of this disease. You addressed the physical detox; that's actually a very small piece of the treatment for this disease.

There is NO "quick fix" out of addiction. The goal is not simply getting past the withdrawals. The goal is long-term recovery - and the way to do that is to jump headfirst into a 12-step program that will address all the other aspects of this disease. There's a litany of behaviors and attitudes that MUST change, if we are to stay clean for any length of time. The "recipe" out of the many ramifications of this disease is the 12 steps. You can do AA, NA or CR (Celebrate Recovery) - the point is, we can't do this on our own.

By the way, YES, addiction is a sleeping beast waiting to awaken. It will always be a part of you. It may lie in wait for many years, but it will strike at any point of weakness. It happened to me at 11 years clean, when I thought I could take a legitimate narcotics prescription for legitimate pain. Wrong. That thinking led me to a nightmare of a relapse. I've been clean and sober nearly 9 years now, but I can not let my guard down. I live the 12-step program as an intrinsic part of my life. I don't have to attend meetings all the time, but I must keep myself rooted in the foundation that got me clean.

I urge you to make a meeting a priority for each day. I work in the field, and I very rarely see anyone succeed for the long term without a foundation in a 12-step program. In fact, not one comes to mind at the moment.

God bless,
Ruth

[surfdog]

Ruth you are dead on. My first sponsor told me you don't work the steps youlive them.For some reason that made sense to me.(probably had something to with the. Work)loll surfdog typeing bad using my kindle sorry. Surfdog

[thalia45]

What is it with this "sub" business? It is supposed to help, and since Robert is involved, I assume it is a good thing, although it doesn't seem that many Drs. know quite what to do with it. In the 4+ years I have been following/using this site, it seems like half of the posts are about "subs": getting on them then getting off them.

...and the getting off them part seems to be as bad as other drugs? I thought they were a kinder gentler way to detox?

Just curious; I have no experience with them.

[surfdog]

Thalia , my understanding is the docs start people on way too high a dose, then keep them on it for too long and they end up addicted to the subs. A very powerful opiate WD is much worse than your run of the mill opiates, longer and more severe. I really know very little about them except I do not want them. They put me on them for pain management at one time, the wd was pure hell although I know I jumped at too high a dose. There are others that know a lot more than me on this subject God Bless Surfdog

[thalia45]

Thanks Surf,

I am just a little flummoxed because "Subs" were supposed to help and now they seem like the most complicated and addictive drug out there (with a major nod to Robert who is the only person I would trust were I to go that path). I did go to a Dr. 3 years ago, but it seemed so... difficult to figure out what he thought he was going to do that I ran and did a ct with Hydros.

Thanks for adding some clarity to this, Thalia

[surfdog]

Thalia, I know seems crazy doesn't it. Before I retired subs had just been approved and were being touted as a miracle, some miracle huh. Seems to me more of a social cure than medical. Give it to them and they will act right. I try to keep an open mind because I know so little about them. Would really be interested in Robert and Cheeky's opinion on it but that is for another time. I believe most of the fault goes to uneducated docs that start at two high a dose and keep people on them too long.
The doc had my son on them and when asked about a detox protocol did not have a clue God Bless Surfdog