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How long does it last?
How long does it last?
I am trying to get off oxycontin ( 40mg day ) and Oxycoden, I'm basically off the time released drug and am taking 3 pills a day of the other. I want to get off all together, going on vacation next week and don't want to go thru any w/d's while I'm away so will continue on 3 a day. Does any one know if I could slowly cut down, space the pills apart more and more each day so eventually I can just cut down to two pills then 1 to none. In the summer I stopped the oxy and got really sick. Been hooked for 1 year maybe ( hate saying that, never thought I would ).
--First off you started the process by saying that YOU want to quit. I was in a very similar situation that you are in. Very similar. I myself was rescued YESTERDAY and within the last 24 hours I have gone from hell and back. It truly is a rescue, nothing less. They save you and bring you back. You can not do this by yourself and to answer your question regarding slowly cutting down, no. You are just preventing the inevitable. I tried this, but my cravings just got worse with this method. Your trying to fool your body using this method, but your mind knows this and simply fights you back harder and harder making the cravings and withdrawl worse. I myself have gone through detox twice HOWEVER the first time I had no intention of stopping the use, BUT simply wanted to see for myself how bad the stage and withdrawl progession was. I did this at home and toughed it out through a long weekend, a home experiment if you will. HOWEVER my habit, my addiction, my disease was not nearly as bad as it was just days ago. I went from taking 1-3 10mg Percocets a day to now 7-10. In the beginning I promised myself that I would never take more then 1 pill a day. Yeah right, ok. Plain and simple it does not work that way. That's why it's called an addiction. Sooner or later you will need more and more...IF YOU DO NOT NIP IT IN THE BUTT AND SEEK HELP. It will get control of you sooner or later as time and usage continue. The first home self detox was bad, no doubt, but since that time my use had increased since my tolerance was elevated more and more each day to the point the disease controlled, consumed me 100%. I KNEW I WANTED TO STOP and I KNEW this time the withdrawl stage would be more severe. I dubbed it "The Perfect Storm." I came clean to my loved ones who were waiting for ME to reach out and admit that I NEEDED HELP. That very day which beleive it or not was not even 24 HOURS AGO I was seen by a ADDICTION SPECIALIST DOCTOR (insurance covers it). You will not be judged whats-o-ever. These are professionals, this is what they do. They have seen it all, and PLEASE BE 100% HONEST WITH THEM SO THEY CAN HELP YOU. My family loved me more then ever the very moment I REACHED OUT AND WANTED HELP. It was time b/c this curse, this very real addiction took all the pleasures and love from my life. I knew I wanted to get those back and feel them again. The doctors WILL HELP YOU. DO NOT DO THIS BY YOURSELF. I was put on Suboxone and what a blessing, nothing less then a mircale. 45 min's after the taking it was like a flik of a switch. It was remarkable, and when the doctor told me how the drug would work and how fast I did not beleive him. BUT HE WAS CORRECT. I WAS SAVED. I suggest you find a clinic and a doctor in your area that can help and make that appointment ASAP. There is help and it works. Get it. I wish you luck and hope this helps. IF you have any questions please feel free to ask. I know how it feels, BUT make sure you seek out the professionals.
Originally Posted by really trying
Last edited by JT78; 01-04-2008 at 03:43 PM.
Is oxycontin stronger? I thought it was and if I am only taking 3 pills of oxcycoden a day I was thinking that is not too much. Are the w/d symptons going to be that bad if I only take three pills a day?
Both Percocet and Oxy are up there in the strength category. Yes, I beleive Oxy is stronger then Percocet. Oxy is the next stage up from the Percocet drug. No question, the more you take and more often you take the drug the harder and more severe the storm will be (the w/symptoms). You said, that you tried quiting before and you got real sick.. is that correct? Since then have you increased your amount and overall usage? The withdrawl period is going to be hell, that I assure you BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS if you seek the proper help like I did yesterday they will SO minimize and eliminate the storm it's crazy. Like I said, I am still amazed that such a drug as the one I was given (Suboxone) can do what it does. At the doctor they will evaulate how bad your situation is (that is why you must be honest with them) and then determine how they need to step in and minimize the w/syptoms. And compared to most others I think yours will be just fine getting a hold of, BUT YOU STILL HAVE AN ADDICTION THAT NEEDS HELP. I have just begun the process. I'm not done by any means. Right now as I write the thought of a Percocet makes me ill to my stomach (that's the suboxone working). The doctor told me I will be on it for likely the next 6-8 weeks / once a day. I have a follow up appt next week. If your going on a vacation soon I don't recommend coming off your or trying to get off your drug while your away. It won't be a vacation to remember that's for sure. When are you due to leave and get back? I ask b/c you can determine when you can make an appt. I advice that you begin to research and find a suitable doctor before you enter the storm b/c once you enter it your already in trouble. Plan it out, know when, and prepare yourself for it (assuming you have enough of your drug to get you through). If you don't then you better do it ASAP. Any other questions feel free to ask. It is now about 24 hours since I took my first suboxone, and one this morning. Amazing. Still a long way to go, but I am so thankful that I was saved. Given your situation, if you DO IT THE RIGHT WAY, you will be fine. NIP IT NOW. All the best.
Originally Posted by really trying
Last edited by JT78; 01-04-2008 at 07:06 PM.
I believe you are on the path to safe recovery
Good Luck- You can successfully do it! We are always here to help you with your recovery.
What can you tell me about how a persons mind handles the cessation of the pain killer. My body feels ok on quite a bit less but it is my mind that is craving it know.
Originally Posted by JT78
Sure, it all is a process within the mind (brain) since he painkiller, the opiate, targets the nerve receptors in the brain and tells the body that you need more and more and more as time goes on. That is how an addiction sets in. At first you are not dependent on the drug, but as you start to use, and the more you begin to use as the calendar flies on by you feel the cravings just get stronger and more control of you to the point you are CONSUMED BY IT LIKE I WAS JUST 48 HRS AGO. That is why I am preaching the professional help route, b/c I have done both routes and now they have me on the proper medication (suboxone) that is controling the cravings within my mind. It targets the brain and those receptors that were so damaged and altered with my use. Nothing less then amazing. Yet it was so simple. IF your mind is craving it now then the addiction is setting in, and once it does it will begin to control you and gain strength just like it had done with me. I know the stage you are at and how it feels. I had to feel like utter hell to get help, but I got it and KNEW IT WAS TIME FOR IT AND THAT I NEEDED IT. I AM SO THANKFULL. Please feel free to ask if you have any questions. I know how it feels. All the best.
Originally Posted by nizerstein
Last edited by JT78; 01-05-2008 at 05:41 AM.
be careful with suboxone
JT78....dude....I tried to quit on my own by reucing the amount of pills down to 2 a day.....I went to hell on the long tour......you are right about that.....your brain will scan your body and you can literay feel it....you think your in a sci-fi movie......my brain/mind ripped my soul out of me and hung it in front of my face and told me to feed it more or I will destroy your mind....dang.....I thought I was ready for and Institution.....I was on my knees praying to God and the day after Xmas, I checked into a detox/rehab center and was there for 9 days.....the best Xmas present I ever gave myself......This center used Methadone for 5 days, reducing the amount eventually to zero and you leave opiate free.....I am on my 6th day clean of all opiates and feel okay.....I am getting headaches and have sleep disruptions which is common and will eventually pass with exercise and a good vitamin program (I take a mild sleeping pill when needed that was prescribed by the pain dr.) alot of the counsellors and doctors there told me that alot of people are now coming into detox centers because of their addiction to Suboxone which is a 50% opiate......make sure you eventually wean off of them....clean is green :-) Glad you feel better!
Thank you. That is why I am under a doctor's care w/ the Suboxone and have frequent appointments. I am not doing this by myself, I am letting the professionals handle it this time. Was up at the crack of dawn this morning getting my workout in, just like I used to do before becoming addicted. THERE IS HOPE, THERE IS HELP W/ GOOD PEOPLE STANDING READY TO HELP YOU, BUT YOU MUST WANT IT AND MAKE THE FIRST MOVE FOR YOURSELF. Best of luck to all and all the best.
Originally Posted by fenderman44
Last edited by JT78; 01-05-2008 at 10:50 AM.
How long do the w/d symptons last? How bad do they get if you have been taking 2-4 pills a day for six months
Tapering you pills down is an exercise in self control...but it can be done.
Based on your limited pill usage and in my opinion, I don't think you should go the suboxone route. I think a tapering regimen is the answer for you. If you try repeatedly to taper and can't - then I'd consider suboxone as a last resort.
The best way to taper is to cut off your supply chain. If it's your doctor...tell him not to prescribe you anymore pain pills.
Also, plan it out. You're right -- don't try to cut down during vacation, the holidays, stressful project at work, etc.
Pick a date and do it!
Good luck and keep us posted!
Thanks for your message I really appreciate it.
I agree,suboxone is way to strong for your addiction and it might lead to long term problems.
Cold turkey using the "Thomas Recipe" is likely the best methaod for you at this point in your addiction.
Oxycontin and Oxycodone are the same opiate.Oxycontin is a sustained release oxycodone.While "Percocet" is a fast acting oxycodone with tylenol.It is likely better for you to be on 3 percocets a day rather then 3 oxycontins a day.The half life of oxycodone is quite short so it works in your favor when trying to wean down and quit.
Anyway.good luck and hang in there as it's not going to be the best time in your life but the end result will be more then worth the 4-7 days of withdrawls......Dave
Pain, Addiction & Withdrawal Support
> The Thomas Recipe for Cold Turkey Withdrawal
If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.
For the Recipe, You'll need:
1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.
2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).
3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.
4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper, Magnesium and Potassium (you may not find the potassium in the same supplement).
5. Vitamin B6 caps.
6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).
How to use the recipe:
Start the vitamin/mineral supplement right away (or the first day you can keep it down), preferably with food. Potassium early in the detox is important to help relieve RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome). Bananas are a good source of potassium if you can't find a supplement for it.
Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.
During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.
Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.
At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.
Continue to take the vitamin/mineral supplement with breakfast.
As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.