General support and advice forum. Constructive advice only please.

[craftymom82]

I think that people need to think before giving advice and judgeing others I think the forum has "General support and advice forum. Constructive advice only please." Posted for a reason and you should really take it to heart before suggesting that someone is an addict. Thank you for those who gave me a warning on what could happen if I am not careful and what the rules and risks are for what I asked. Does anyone else feel the same as me?

[just_a_mom]

I think that people need to think before giving advice and judgeing others I think the forum has "General support and advice forum. Constructive advice only please." Posted for a reason and you should really take it to heart before suggesting that someone is an addict. Thank you for those who gave me a warning on what could happen if I am not careful and what the rules and risks are for what I asked. Does anyone else feel the same as me?

I think this was directed at me. I am truly very sorry if I have offended anyone else with my '2 cents'. That is truly not my intent. If anyone else thinks I should back off, please let me know. The last thing I want to do on this forum is cause problems.

just a mom

[Robert_325]

both moms .......We need to be careful to write good constructive posts and replies on the forum as best we can whenever possible. But we also need to realize that this is a drug forum, not a web site for kids or for patting EVERYONE on the back saying "it's okay sweety, just do the best you can and that's fine." That is nonsense and not the purpose of the forum. We are dealing with reality here. Reality is if people don't stop abusing drugs they'll end up in jail, institutions, or God forbid, death. I've personally buried lots of my lifelong friends to drugs so I take this more seriously than hurting someone's feelings. I spent 35 years abusing drugs and now I have over eight years clean and am a born again Christian.,

I don't come here to make friends. I have made many friends here, but it's after I've worked with them and helped them get clean. If I have to make a point a little "tough" sometimes, but that person gets the point of my post and it affects them positively and ends up getting them clean in the process then I did my job.

We don't purposely try to hurt anyone, but this is often life and death stuff here. This forum is SERIOUS!!! I am not concerned if someone gets annoyed with me if I help people get clean. Every person who gets clean affects countless lives in their familes, with their friends, and others. Sometimes tough love is what it takes to make a point as this isn't a playground. Our lives are on the line here.

There are sweet talking forums all over the net. But this forum turns out lots of clean people in proportion to how many log on. I've seen thousands get clean here. That doesn't even count the lurkers who never even post.. So I have to contend that if you'e offended by the posts that you should change the channel.

The forum is moderated. If a post is out of line it will be dealt with appropriately. Getting clean and staying that way is what counts in the long run. And I don't mean to be rude or hurt anyone. But that is a small price to pay for a person to end up clean and get their life back.

I get a post deleted occasionally being rough.. So be it. But the owners know me and they know I have the very best of intentions. I pray daily for everyone on this forum. But I'm going to focus on getting people clean first and foremost. Then we can be friends afterwards. I know how to do this and I follow the protocol that consistenly works. God bless.

[3MsonBoard]

Sometimes the truth just hurts.....even when it smacks you in the face. I think both previous posters did a fantastic job wording. I can't wait to be able to help someone, the way in a few hours I've been helped here.

~Lindsay

[skatezeppelin]

Robert325, I have been reading your posts and respect you very much for helping everybody that comes here. That being said, I have been off subutex for three weeks, when I started to go into withdrawals from the subs I took some oxycodone for a few days telling myself that the withdrawals wouldn't be as bad but that was an excuse to use. Anyway, it has been over two weeks since I have taken any opiate and I still experience mild symptoms of withdrawals. I get the chills about 50 times a day and stay get minor cold sweats. I didn't taper I would just take my subs when I would start getting wd's and spit it out when I felt better. I was on it for circa three months. I would take 8 mg prob 3 or 4 times a week, sometimes my full prescribed dose of 16mg to get semi-pleasurable effect. How long can I expect to suffer from the mild withdrawals? I got a script from my sub doctor for xanax .25 mg and took four a day for the first week, which helped, but when I called today and asked to increase my dose and get a refill they told me that could not give me anything anymore and that things have changed with the department of health. I googled this and found nothing, and I'm assuming I scared my doctor with drug seeking behavior when I truly just wanted the xanax to help with the anxiety, sleeplessness, etc of the suboxone withdrawals.

[karaboo]

This forum is for "constructive" advice. That does not mean we all agree nor does it mean that we will pat anyone on the head and tell them they're ok if we are concerned that they are NOT ok. Some of uf were concerned for you, and posted because of it. Reread your posts, I just did. And the first time I read them I felt that something was missing, not all the pieces added up. Everything that has been posted is for YOUR benefit, not for ours. Artist (Ruth) especially was trying to help you -- that's her career! And we tend to call em like we see em around here. if you're not comfortable with that, fine. You don't have to stick around. But if there us any question in your mind, heart or soul that a problem MIGHT be developing, then please take these posts in the spirit in which they were meant: constructive advice, hoping to help you.

I think that people need to think before giving advice and judgeing others I think the forum has "General support and advice forum. Constructive advice only please." Posted for a reason and you should really take it to heart before suggesting that someone is an addict. Thank you for those who gave me a warning on what could happen if I am not careful and what the rules and risks are for what I asked. Does anyone else feel the same as me?

[ARTIST658]

I think that people need to think before giving advice and judgeing others I think the forum has "General support and advice forum. Constructive advice only please." Posted for a reason and you should really take it to heart before suggesting that someone is an addict. Thank you for those who gave me a warning on what could happen if I am not careful and what the rules and risks are for what I asked. Does anyone else feel the same as me?

Dear Crafty,

I feel no need to apologize, as I do not feel my response was out of line. I was telling you what I saw - what alarmed me - and that certainly was "constructive advice." In fact, having read a bit more of your story, I stand by my words even more firmly. You wrote:

"I go to AA to stay away from drinking and to remind myself that i don't need to go down the road of being coming an addict what so ever. My children and Family mean too much for me to risk it all for a "FIX". Some of us know preventative actions and I use them all the time."

Thus, you now reveal that you are already a recovering alcoholic - something very significant - that you failed to mention in your original post. You already have the disease of addiction. You are tragically misinformed, if you think that knowledge alone (or love for family) will "prevent" you from becoming an addict. We can't avoid addiction just by will or determination alone. As an alcoholic, you are already ON that road, and playing a dangerous game with your disease. Seriously, you need to view the narcotic pills as alcohol, in pill form. It's still a mood-altering, mind-altering addictive substance - and addiction is addiction, regardless if it comes from a pharmacy - or comes from a liquor bottle.

Robert is 100% correct here... this is serious business, not a place for sympathy and comfort. "Constructive advice " means that our advice is for your benefit, NOT for your destruction. These drugs that you are taking can kill you, especially in combination. The fact that you are already an alcoholic profoundly increases your risk.

God bless,
Ruth

[Robert_325]

Robert325, I have been reading your posts and respect you very much for helping everybody that comes here. That being said, I have been off subutex for three weeks, when I started to go into withdrawals from the subs I took some oxycodone for a few days telling myself that the withdrawals wouldn't be as bad but that was an excuse to use. Anyway, it has been over two weeks since I have taken any opiate and I still experience mild symptoms of withdrawals. I get the chills about 50 times a day and stay get minor cold sweats. I didn't taper I would just take my subs when I would start getting wd's and spit it out when I felt better. I was on it for circa three months. I would take 8 mg prob 3 or 4 times a week, sometimes my full prescribed dose of 16mg to get semi-pleasurable effect. How long can I expect to suffer from the mild withdrawals? I got a script from my sub doctor for xanax .25 mg and took four a day for the first week, which helped, but when I called today and asked to increase my dose and get a refill they told me that could not give me anything anymore and that things have changed with the department of health. I googled this and found nothing, and I'm assuming I scared my doctor with drug seeking behavior when I truly just wanted the xanax to help with the anxiety, sleeplessness, etc of the suboxone withdrawals.

If you've read my posts then I know you have NEVER seen me give advice to do what you have done. You've done EVERYTHING wrong, exactly the opposite of what is recommended. No one ever says to go back to your drug of choice after stopping subs to help with the w/d you are having. That is an excuse to use plain and simple.

If a person wants to get clean then they don't use. That is the way it works. Now you've got yourself back in a mess again and to top it off you've added abusing benzos to the list. C'mon man! You know better than that.

I suggest you start a new thread as it was purely accidental that I even saw your post on this thread as it has nothing to do with your situation. I will even copy and paste it all myself into a new thread titled,"skate's relapse after sub detox ... HELP" When you are ready to do things the way they're supposed to be done and will make a commitment to do so let me know.

I just don't have time to deal with these kinds of scenarios. I have 50 people post or email me directly from all over the world on lots of days, besides trying to live my own life dealing with lots of health issues personally. Lots of others will post when we start your new thread. Let me know if you really want my help. God bless.