First Post!

[No-No-Rco]

Well, not sure where to start…first post. I have been using Perks, Norco 10mg. / and different flavors of V’s for quite some time now, not sure of the exact date. My addiction stopped at 20 – 30 Norco’s a day. The money I was spending on these damn drugs was horrific. At $3 to $4 a pill, you can figure the financial burden.
I am now 10 days clean and I must say, “It’s a living HELL.” I can’t sleep, the thrown is accompanied much too often, legs feel like rubber, no energy, and the worst, as I call them are, the “e-bee-jee-bee’s. I fell like I want to crawl out of my own skin when I’m trying to sleep. I have probably gotten (if I’m lucky) 12hrs. in the last 3 days. I agree that when you have to go to work, it’s a very difficult thing to handle. It take every ounce of energy to get up at 4:30am. On the flip side it can also be a good thing as previously posted, keeping your mind active and not the pills.
My wife basically gave me the ultimatum to quit or lose my family. I’ve been married to a beautiful wife of 16yrs and have three children, one out of the house and doing great. I have ALWAYS been faithful to her and she is my life, as are my children. This, at first, used to be for her. Now it’s for me too with the help of God. Strange thing in my case was the day after I quite, I felt great. I found out by my wife that I had many people praying for me which I appreciate immensely. The thing is, instead of getting easier, it’s getting harder as far as the physical part goes. Maybe all the prayers have died down. I have read that the mind will start to play with you, but as of now, (I still do think about the pills on occasion) it’s the physical part of it that’s Hell at the moment. I WILL Conquer this though.
I appreciate everyone’s will to help each other on these threads, and continued sobriety to those that have kicked this Hell awful habit…, and to those that are going through what I am, keep up sobriety one day at a time!

[Typical]

Well, not sure where to start…first post. I have been using Perks, Norco 10mg. / and different flavors of V’s for quite some time now, not sure of the exact date. My addiction stopped at 20 – 30 Norco’s a day. The money I was spending on these damn drugs was horrific. At $3 to $4 a pill, you can figure the financial burden.
I am now 10 days clean and I must say, “It’s a living HELL.” I can’t sleep, the thrown is accompanied much too often, legs feel like rubber, no energy, and the worst, as I call them are, the “e-bee-jee-bee’s. I fell like I want to crawl out of my own skin when I’m trying to sleep. I have probably gotten (if I’m lucky) 12hrs. in the last 3 days. I agree that when you have to go to work, it’s a very difficult thing to handle. It take every ounce of energy to get up at 4:30am. On the flip side it can also be a good thing as previously posted, keeping your mind active and not the pills.
My wife basically gave me the ultimatum to quit or lose my family. I’ve been married to a beautiful wife of 16yrs and have three children, one out of the house and doing great. I have ALWAYS been faithful to her and she is my life, as are my children. This, at first, used to be for her. Now it’s for me too with the help of God. Strange thing in my case was the day after I quite, I felt great. I found out by my wife that I had many people praying for me which I appreciate immensely. The thing is, instead of getting easier, it’s getting harder as far as the physical part goes. Maybe all the prayers have died down. I have read that the mind will start to play with you, but as of now, (I still do think about the pills on occasion) it’s the physical part of it that’s Hell at the moment. I WILL Conquer this though.
I appreciate everyone’s will to help each other on these threads, and continued sobriety to those that have kicked this Hell awful habit…, and to those that are going through what I am, keep up sobriety one day at a time!

First off, I admire you for thinking of your family and starting down this road. It is tough! The physical part should start getting better...but it will be a little while before you feel normal. That is just the way it is. BUT, you WILL get better!!!

Second, rest assured that prayers will remain with you through this time, and when your are done with this hellish journey, the reward will be worth the fight.

The people here are quite supportive and are more than willing to give you suggestions on how to "try" to handle the physical - hee-bee-jee-bees!! I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!

I like you went mad at times with the "crazy legs." They drove me insane! The one thing I would tell you is that if you can't sleep, watch TV or something. It is literally unbearable to lay in bed and TRY to sleep knowing it ain't gonna happen.

Hot baths and if you can...start walking and get the endorphins going.

One other thing....a little prayer won't hurt....God hears our cries for help. I am living proof of that!!

Because of whose we are!!!!

T.

[No-No-Rco]

Thanks for the understanding Typical, it helps a lot! I think I'm starting to feel a little better. I say, "I think" because I have my ups and downs. One minute I fell half way normal and then the next I'm back with the same ole S***. This forum is filled with people that know what's going on with this horiffic addiction....Thanks Again for your reply. Finally got a little sleep last night.

[Robert_325]

Thanks for the understanding Typical, it helps a lot! I think I'm starting to feel a little better. I say, "I think" because I have my ups and downs. One minute I fell half way normal and then the next I'm back with the same ole S***. This forum is filled with people that know what's going on with this horiffic addiction....Thanks Again for your reply. Finally got a little sleep last night.

Being at 11 days into this you will surely start feeling better very soon. Most people are well past the worst of detox by this point. It took me a LONG time as I used for many years. And used a lot. The problem with sleep lasted for months with me. I don't think I slept well for maybe four months or so. At this point I would start getting some exercise as that will aid in endorphine production and overall well being. You are probably making more progress than you realize. Just hang in there and the worst will be past any time now and you will on your way to living life and experiencing real feelings again. There is a lot to be said for the power of prayer. All things are possible through Christ. I am living proof of that! Good luck and God bless.

[Typical]

Thanks for the understanding Typical, it helps a lot! I think I'm starting to feel a little better. I say, "I think" because I have my ups and downs. One minute I fell half way normal and then the next I'm back with the same ole S***. This forum is filled with people that know what's going on with this horiffic addiction....Thanks Again for your reply. Finally got a little sleep last night.

I am glad you are starting to feel better at times...it is kinda of an up and down thing for a bit, but pretty soon, the good will start outlasting the bad. Time is an enemy at times during this ordeal.

Very glad to hear you were able to sleep some. Blessed SLEEP!!! I know you begin to wonder when it will return, but it will.

I know that your wife must to very proud of what you are doing for your family. I am sure that she will offer as much support as she can. During my down times, even though my husband could not wrap his head around exactly what I was going through, he responded with what he could do. That intimate support in and of itself was invaluable. Other times, I came here and received the support from people like Robert who knew exactly what it felt like. So, there are plenty of people here praying for you to succeed. And, like Robert said, never underestimate the power of prayer. It is a powerful tool.

Because of whose we are!!

T.

[No-No-Rco]

My wife (I believe) is trying to understand what I'm going through, but I think it's difficult for her. I would like her to read the forums to get a better Idea on what this is like. Today is another day of the usual. I'm alone now waiting for my UFC fights to come on TV. I am going to take up the walking to get the body/brain going again, even though I know I'm not going to feel like it.
I really appreciate your contact Typical and yours Robert_325, it's really helps. I don't know if this is good or bad, but it's now almost a competition against myself, my body, and my brain. I am not thinking about my next fix as often when I wake up in the morning. I hear a lot about getting past the physical part of this and then the mind playing games with you about the pills. Can you Typical and Robert_325 tell me if you too have experienced this, and if so, is there any pointers you can share?
I've also read about the "Thomas Receipe." I'm assuming this is a non-drug receipe. Have either of you heard about this? I read it in another forum. Again, I would like to thank both of you for your support as I try to get back on the Road to Life.

[Robert_325]

My wife (I believe) is trying to understand what I'm going through, but I think it's difficult for her. I would like her to read the forums to get a better Idea on what this is like. Today is another day of the usual. I'm alone now waiting for my UFC fights to come on TV. I am going to take up the walking to get the body/brain going again, even though I know I'm not going to feel like it.
I really appreciate your contact Typical and yours Robert_325, it's really helps. I don't know if this is good or bad, but it's now almost a competition against myself, my body, and my brain. I am not thinking about my next fix as often when I wake up in the morning. I hear a lot about getting past the physical part of this and then the mind playing games with you about the pills. Can you Typical and Robert_325 tell me if you too have experienced this, and if so, is there any pointers you can share?
I've also read about the "Thomas Receipe." I'm assuming this is a non-drug receipe. Have either of you heard about this? I read it in another forum. Again, I would like to thank both of you for your support as I try to get back on the Road to Life.

If you have read many of my posts you will see that I talk all the time about the tricks the mind plays on us regarding our need for these drugs. I have certainly experienced it. This is what all too often causes people to relapse. It did it to me too in years past. You have to remain focused on your objective. This is just like setting a goal on anything ... family, business, or whatever. The difference with this is that your life is at stake. The exercise is very important for you at this point. It will help to make you feel better. Keep focused on staying clean ... continue to post, share what you are going through. It will take some of the power away from the mind games your head is trying to play on you. And the power of prayer is also so important. That has made the most difference for me.

I am a big believer in the Thomas Recipe. It's a great detox tool. You have almost two weeks clean however. If you were going to use the Thomas Recipe it would have been in the beginning. It would be a step backwards for you at this point. Stay in touch, post often, talk truthfully about what it going on. Don't hold back. You can get through this I promise. You will have to work on the mental part of not relapsing for a long time most likely, but the detox will be a thing of the past very soon. Good luck.

[Typical]

My wife (I believe) is trying to understand what I'm going through, but I think it's difficult for her. I would like her to read the forums to get a better Idea on what this is like. Today is another day of the usual. I'm alone now waiting for my UFC fights to come on TV. I am going to take up the walking to get the body/brain going again, even though I know I'm not going to feel like it.
I really appreciate your contact Typical and yours Robert_325, it's really helps. I don't know if this is good or bad, but it's now almost a competition against myself, my body, and my brain. I am not thinking about my next fix as often when I wake up in the morning. I hear a lot about getting past the physical part of this and then the mind playing games with you about the pills. Can you Typical and Robert_325 tell me if you too have experienced this, and if so, is there any pointers you can share?
I've also read about the "Thomas Receipe." I'm assuming this is a non-drug receipe. Have either of you heard about this? I read it in another forum. Again, I would like to thank both of you for your support as I try to get back on the Road to Life.

I know it is hard to describe exactly what you are going through to someone who has never experienced this, however, I think it is just as hard for someone who has never experienced this to imagine exactly how bad it really feels. But, your wife is still there with you, and I imagine she is trying very hard to understand. It's tough from both sides.

You did this a bit harder than I did. I took Suboxone for 8 days (the first week) then stopped the suboxone. The second week was very, very rough. I felt very alone. Wept to God alot and cried for his help. I also did alot of plain old soul bearing with my husband. He held me up and it comforted me more than I could have imagined. Your wife is there for you too.

I am not familiar with using the Thomas Recipe but I am aware of it. I agree with Robert that really and truly, you are past the time for using it.

At the end of my second week, there were some mental gymnastics going on for sure. But getting a little active certainly helped that as well. First off, I started walking in the evenings. I am not talking about any marathon walks...just nice pleasant walks to get the blood moving a little. I helps more than you know. Soon, I was back to doing things I haven't done since I started the medications. It robs so much from you. So I say, take it back...stay on point...keep your focus, and you will succeed!!!!

Praying for you!!!!


Because of whose we are!!!!

T.

[No-No-Rco]

Hi All....
Well I enjoyed my UFC fights last night and did it clean once again. I forgot to mention in this forum that I have also quit drinking at the same time as the pills, double wammy. When I was on the pills, drinking was no big thing because I enjoyed the pills much more than the booze. It's still not bothering me...so we will see.
Last night was a much better night as far as the hee-bee-jee-bee's go, or crazy legs as Typical calls them. I probably got about 6.5 to 7hrs sleep, which is good for me.
The wife read this forum this morning. It was funny because she read part of a post briefly the day before and was telling me about it. Well it was me she was reading about. This is a very private thing to me at the moment. Part of me wants to tell her it's me and the other part still wants the privacy. I say this because I'm nothing but honest with my wife,...now (about the pills)...before I wasn't and some of the honesty upset her because of my previous lies about them in the past.
Well this morning I told her who I was and she read the posts and replies. After words, she turn, reached out for my hands and we prayed. Needless to say, the tears started on me...but I liked it as I starred at a picture of my daughter (this is in our office on my wife's desk) that was right behind my wife as we were praying... way more important than any *#&$%$# pill will ever be to me.
Once again, I can't thank you Typical and you Robert_325. You have really helped me out by just responding and me reading your posts. Makes me realize that I'm not alone out there....almost forgot to mention, I took the wife out to buy her a few things (clothes) and we went grocery shopping. I can't believe how much of a toll it took on me, energy wise. I really hope that comes back and soon!!!
Talk to you guys soon

[Robert_325]

That is cool! Sounds like you did pretty well in picking out a wife to me. You're very fortunate. You guys will make it just fine. Hang in there.

[Typical]

Hi All....
Well I enjoyed my UFC fights last night and did it clean once again. I forgot to mention in this forum that I have also quit drinking at the same time as the pills, double wammy. When I was on the pills, drinking was no big thing because I enjoyed the pills much more than the booze. It's still not bothering me...so we will see.
Last night was a much better night as far as the hee-bee-jee-bee's go, or crazy legs as Typical calls them. I probably got about 6.5 to 7hrs sleep, which is good for me.
The wife read this forum this morning. It was funny because she read part of a post briefly the day before and was telling me about it. Well it was me she was reading about. This is a very private thing to me at the moment. Part of me wants to tell her it's me and the other part still wants the privacy. I say this because I'm nothing but honest with my wife,...now (about the pills)...before I wasn't and some of the honesty upset her because of my previous lies about them in the past.
Well this morning I told her who I was and she read the posts and replies. After words, she turn, reached out for my hands and we prayed. Needless to say, the tears started on me...but I liked it as I starred at a picture of my daughter (this is in our office on my wife's desk) that was right behind my wife as we were praying... way more important than any *#&$%$# pill will ever be to me.
Once again, I can't thank you Typical and you Robert_325. You have really helped me out by just responding and me reading your posts. Makes me realize that I'm not alone out there....almost forgot to mention, I took the wife out to buy her a few things (clothes) and we went grocery shopping. I can't believe how much of a toll it took on me, energy wise. I really hope that comes back and soon!!!
Talk to you guys soon

I have to say that this post just absolutely made my day!!

The fatigue gets better the more you move around. Withdrawals, in my opinion, take a toll on the body. Maybe some vitamins or something...?


So glad you guys have each other to go through this together. That's what our partners are for...holding each other up when you need it!!!

Prayers for BOTH of you!! You are going to make it...together.


Because of whose we are...
T.

[No-No-Rco]

Well, actually got out of the house with my wife and my youngest son to go walking yesterday. Probably walked 2 to 3 miles at a good pace. Felt pretty good afterwards, but still didn’t have a good night…damn legs. I thought the exercise would help a bit, but oh well…I’m sure it takes a while.
Thanks for the replys Robert_325 and Typical, (glad I made your day). I actually felt the best today driving into work. Did some praying, and texted my wife and daughter that I loved them, the boys were still sleeping. I am slamming the 100% Cranberry (not from concentrate….nasty) with water for the last day and a half to get this ******************** out of me…see, I have been taking the home tests and am still failing two of them. The wife is really a health nut (good nut though…lol) and suggested the Cranberry and lots of Poweraid /water.
It will be a huge hurdle for me when I test clean, as I thought I would last Friday. I was excited to get the test in the mail, took it and still failed after 10 days clean. I will take the last test this Friday, which will be 17 days clean. I’m hoping I will test clean then.
I’m at work and should really get back to it….talk to you guys later.

[Robert_325]

Well, actually got out of the house with my wife and my youngest son to go walking yesterday. Probably walked 2 to 3 miles at a good pace. Felt pretty good afterwards, but still didn’t have a good night…damn legs. I thought the exercise would help a bit, but oh well…I’m sure it takes a while.
Thanks for the replys Robert_325 and Typical, (glad I made your day). I actually felt the best today driving into work. Did some praying, and texted my wife and daughter that I loved them, the boys were still sleeping. I am slamming the 100% Cranberry (not from concentrate….nasty) with water for the last day and a half to get this ******************** out of me…see, I have been taking the home tests and am still failing two of them. The wife is really a health nut (good nut though…lol) and suggested the Cranberry and lots of Poweraid /water.
It will be a huge hurdle for me when I test clean, as I thought I would last Friday. I was excited to get the test in the mail, took it and still failed after 10 days clean. I will take the last test this Friday, which will be 17 days clean. I’m hoping I will test clean then.
I’m at work and should really get back to it….talk to you guys later.

Don't give up on the walks. They are good for you and do help you during this process. Cranberry juice is great for this too. Your wife is correct. I used it and still keep it around to this day. Grew to really like it. Don't feel too badly about not passing the test yet. It took me a pretty long time to test totally clean. I abused literally everything though and for a long time. So it stands to reason that becoming totally clean would take me longer than what I read is the norm. Just hang in there and you will be past all of this sooner than later. You can purchase good drug tests at Walmart or Walgreens though. You don't have to send off for them. The ones at the pharmacy are relatively inexpensive and they give you instant results.

[No-No-Rco]

I have bought the test at Walgreens and Longs at $38 to $43 dollars. I can buy basically the same thing, minus the pee cup for 3.48 for one test stick that tests for about five different drugs just like the ones in the stores. I do appreciate you insight though.
I just have to comment on your diligence on this forum Robert_325. You Are Every where, that's really awesome. Have you ever thought of how many lives you may have saved or how many people you have helped with sobriety? Keep up the good work my friend!
I am thinking about trying to help out in the near future, once I help myself. I can only respond to people that have less sobriety than myself and they may be far and few between as far as the posting goes.

[Typical]

I have bought the test at Walgreens and Longs at $38 to $43 dollars. I can buy basically the same thing, minus the pee cup for 3.48 for one test stick that tests for about five different drugs just like the ones in the stores. I do appreciate you insight though.
I just have to comment on your diligence on this forum Robert_325. You Are Every where, that's really awesome. Have you ever thought of how many lives you may have saved or how many people you have helped with sobriety? Keep up the good work my friend!
I am thinking about trying to help out in the near future, once I help myself. I can only respond to people that have less sobriety than myself and they may be far and few between as far as the posting goes.

I have labeled Robert....Guardian of the Forum....he is so supportive!!! And you NNR...you already have something to share!! While not that much time has passed, I am willing to bet you have certainly gained some insight from this experience.

I remember reading a few things about L-Tyrosine and C0Q10 (both supplements). One of the complaints however regarding L-Tyrosine is nervousness if taken too frequently or in higher doses. Certainly Potassium, Magnesium and maybe Calcium may help. But I am one of those wierd people who has to read EVERYTHING about something like that before I take it, so I would do my due dilligence and read everything I could regarding those supplements before taking them. Especially, since your body is still in the recovery phase...physically that is. I really think withdrawals deplete the body significantly so I would gather as much information regarding those things prior to trying them.

Glad you are doing so well.

Because of whose we ARE!!!!

T.

[No-No-Rco]

Getting Frustrated....it's been 14 days now and my energy level is still down in the dumps. I still hate the way my legs feel. I've been drinking Cranberry, vita drinks, Power Aid, etc. I guess I'm getting better, but still fill like s**t.
My Friend at work says that God must have a since of humor. I say this because when I became clean, my son had surgery on his foot. He's of course on Vic's. My friend at work just found out that his MRI came back with something abnormal on his brain. He's had bad headaches, so he's heavily medicated on all my favorites. It's not that bad as far as me seeing him take the pills. What sometimes gets tough is me seeing him "feeling no pain," or should I say "high"...I'm glad he's feeling no pain.
I know I may be asking this to be over too soon, but I'm getting very frustrated. I don't know if my legs have anything to do with this Physcosamtic thing I keep hearing about, I sure hope not. I'm going to try the Tylenol PM tonight that my wife was kind enough to pick up for me and see how things go.
Thanks for your Advice Typical. My wife pretty much said the same thing. She is very knowledgeable about health. I Started on the Potassium, Magnesium and Calcium, with the help of powerful vitamins (good one's of course), and high powered vita-drinks.

[Typical]

Getting Frustrated....it's been 14 days now and my energy level is still down in the dumps. I still hate the way my legs feel. I've been drinking Cranberry, vita drinks, Power Aid, etc. I guess I'm getting better, but still fill like s**t.
My Friend at work says that God must have a since of humor. I say this because when I became clean, my son had surgery on his foot. He's of course on Vic's. My friend at work just found out that his MRI came back with something abnormal on his brain. He's had bad headaches, so he's heavily medicated on all my favorites. It's not that bad as far as me seeing him take the pills. What sometimes gets tough is me seeing him "feeling no pain," or should I say "high"...I'm glad he's feeling no pain.
I know I may be asking this to be over too soon, but I'm getting very frustrated. I don't know if my legs have anything to do with this Physcosamtic thing I keep hearing about, I sure hope not. I'm going to try the Tylenol PM tonight that my wife was kind enough to pick up for me and see how things go.
Thanks for your Advice Typical. My wife pretty much said the same thing. She is very knowledgeable about health. I Started on the Potassium, Magnesium and Calcium, with the help of powerful vitamins (good one's of course), and high powered vita-drinks.

Man, I feel ya on the legs. I understand, I understand. I had to finally just have my husband do some very hard, deep muscle rubs on my legs, then I would go sit in the whirlpool of hot water. BUT, it will get better.

Sounds like you are going through some of those mental gymnastics. Stay focused. Get some good deep reading in, or whatever floats your boat as far as disctractions go. Start a project, paint the house . Keep your mind occupied and busy on something else. Go to a movie, get outside, whatever. Just keep in mind what you are doing and why you are doing it. You have done so very well!!!! Hang in there, keep posting. We are here, your wife is there...just keep on trudging along. It will get better, promise.

Prayers for both of you. Keep up the good fight!

Because of whose we are!!!!

T.

[Robert_325]

Getting Frustrated....it's been 14 days now and my energy level is still down in the dumps. I still hate the way my legs feel. I've been drinking Cranberry, vita drinks, Power Aid, etc. I guess I'm getting better, but still fill like s**t.
My Friend at work says that God must have a since of humor. I say this because when I became clean, my son had surgery on his foot. He's of course on Vic's. My friend at work just found out that his MRI came back with something abnormal on his brain. He's had bad headaches, so he's heavily medicated on all my favorites. It's not that bad as far as me seeing him take the pills. What sometimes gets tough is me seeing him "feeling no pain," or should I say "high"...I'm glad he's feeling no pain.
I know I may be asking this to be over too soon, but I'm getting very frustrated. I don't know if my legs have anything to do with this Physcosamtic thing I keep hearing about, I sure hope not. I'm going to try the Tylenol PM tonight that my wife was kind enough to pick up for me and see how things go.
Thanks for your Advice Typical. My wife pretty much said the same thing. She is very knowledgeable about health. I Started on the Potassium, Magnesium and Calcium, with the help of powerful vitamins (good one's of course), and high powered vita-drinks.

I think your friend at work is right. God does have a sense of humor. And satan has none, but is evil and scheming. He is very upset that you are making progress and he's trying to do anything he can do to distract you to win you back. I believe that as corny as it may sound. Keep plugging, you are doing good. Just stay focused on what you want.

The legs were one of the last things to get well for me. I didn't think they would ever quit bouncing around the bed. I would have to get up and walk around the house. I couldn't even sit still let alone lay still. That was when the hot shower or the jacuzzi helped, kind of like Typical says above. Plus I couldn't sleep for like four months. So I really noticed the leg problems as I was tossing and turning anyway.

Two weeks is a pretty long time. Yet it took me significantly longer. You are bound to come out of all this most any day now. I know you will start having some really good days anytime. You are so close to getting past this. I keep expecting to see your post saying how great the day has been as you have improved so much. I'm sure you are making lots more progress than you realize, but it will show itself to you soon. Hang in there.

[No-No-Rco]

Besides my Wife of course, you guys have been my rock (Robert_325 and Typical), my medication. It may sound a little strange, but when I read these forums I feel better…usually. They have definitely helped me though.
Well this is day 15. Why am I counting?...I’m not sure. It’s seems like a month, at least. I know I’m getting better, and I need to keep telling my self that, and it still gets pretty damn hard. At least I don’t think about the meds right when my eyes open when I wake up, but it’s shortly after that when I get up to go to work and (yes you guessed it) the legs start in. It has gotten better obviously, but it’s still enough to ruin my sleep. Like I posted earlier, I took the Tylenol PM’s and I don’t think they worked too well for me. I took 3 and then a couple hrs. later, I took two more. I think I may stop the Tylenol / Motrin and just see what happens. I think what’s happening is that I go 2-3 days with a minimal amount of sleep and then I get one good night sleep. I’m also starting to think that when I do sleep, it’s not a “good” sleep…if ya know what I mean.
I can’t lie about loving that feeling of the Norco’s, but it can’t happen. I would be lying if I said I don’t think about them. I still think the biggest hurdle I have to get over is the physical part of this s***. Then I guess I get to start looking forward to the mental part, which I do think I have already experience a little of.
I have apologized to my wife about her having to go through this with me a few times now. I say this because I just don’t have the energy to do much still, and it sucks. My mood isn’t too jovial either. I know I’m not treating her the way she should be treated, but I’m just not “in the mood” right now and that needs to go bye-bye….like now! All I can do is hope she still understands what I’m going through. I love my wife more than life and this no energy ******************** is really getting to me, and I’m sure her too.
I can’t leave on a negative note though. Hey Robert_325, my friend and of course you Typical….the devil is loosing and God is winning 15 to 0!!!!!

[Typical]

Besides my Wife of course, you guys have been my rock (Robert_325 and Typical), my medication. It may sound a little strange, but when I read these forums I feel better…usually. They have definitely helped me though.
Well this is day 15. Why am I counting?...I’m not sure. It’s seems like a month, at least. I know I’m getting better, and I need to keep telling my self that, and it still gets pretty damn hard. At least I don’t think about the meds right when my eyes open when I wake up, but it’s shortly after that when I get up to go to work and (yes you guessed it) the legs start in. It has gotten better obviously, but it’s still enough to ruin my sleep. Like I posted earlier, I took the Tylenol PM’s and I don’t think they worked too well for me. I took 3 and then a couple hrs. later, I took two more. I think I may stop the Tylenol / Motrin and just see what happens. I think what’s happening is that I go 2-3 days with a minimal amount of sleep and then I get one good night sleep. I’m also starting to think that when I do sleep, it’s not a “good” sleep…if ya know what I mean.
I can’t lie about loving that feeling of the Norco’s, but it can’t happen. I would be lying if I said I don’t think about them. I still think the biggest hurdle I have to get over is the physical part of this s***. Then I guess I get to start looking forward to the mental part, which I do think I have already experience a little of.
I have apologized to my wife about her having to go through this with me a few times now. I say this because I just don’t have the energy to do much still, and it sucks. My mood isn’t too jovial either. I know I’m not treating her the way she should be treated, but I’m just not “in the mood” right now and that needs to go bye-bye….like now! All I can do is hope she still understands what I’m going through. I love my wife more than life and this no energy ******************** is really getting to me, and I’m sure her too.
I can’t leave on a negative note though. Hey Robert_325, my friend and of course you Typical….the devil is loosing and God is winning 15 to 0!!!!!

15 days! That is awesome. Think about it, 15 days compared to how long on the drugs? 15 days is quite an accomplishment. I know time seems to drag and is more like an enemy that something that just "is," (and I know you are getting tired of hearing this) but it will get better. I remember waking up on a Thursday morning and I felt really good. It was wonderful. That weekend, I was able to get back on a motorcycle that I hadn't been riding for quite some time. It was awesome. It reinforced what I was doing and the blessings from God that were to come.

Taking drugs is a very self-reinforcing behavior. It is hard to change behaviors that have been reinforced over such a long period of time. It will change though. Every day you are changing more than you know. You are beginning to feel again...I mean really feel. It's kinda like learning things all over again. But, just think of all the things you will be claiming back into you renewed life. Your marriage, your family, all of that. Those precious things are so worth what you will go through for a few weeks.

I so feel for you on the legs. I understand. It is aweful. All I can tell you is that eventually that gets better too.

I am sure your wife understands completely! It'll get there. You know, we women are pretty strong little creatures We are willing to do just about anything it takes to make sure those close to us and the ones we dearly love are safe, secure, and taken care of. She'll be there for you!!!!

You're making great strides!!

Because of whose we are!!!

T.

[No-No-Rco]

Thanks for keeping me strong Typical. The mornings are my best time now. The drive to work with my coffee and a few hours into work are really good. Then I degrade as the day progresses. I tested myself today when I got home (Home Drug Test) and I’m good on everything, COC, MTD, OPI… (YES!!!), except BZO - Benzodiazepines which is Valium. Not really understanding that one because I only took a few of them (didn’t really care for them) and here it is 16 days later and I’m still testing positive for them??? The one drug that I was going crazy on (Norco’s) was out of my system in 3 days……weird. I know different drugs take different lengths of time to get out of your system, but it still surprises me.
If I could feel at 6:00pm like I feel at 6:00am life would be great. I still don’t have ANY energy when I get home. I hate to keep complaining (feel weak minded sometimes), but it does help me when I post. I guess it’s my journal. I don’t want to keep boring my wife with the same ole sh**…that’s just the way I feel. I hate telling her the same thing, day in and day out.
Really tired and gonna watch some TV. Hope you are doing well Typical. Words of encouragement from my beautiful wife, Typical, and Robert_325 are invaluable to me.
Score: God 16, Devil 0
Peace

[Robert_325]

Thanks for keeping me strong Typical. The mornings are my best time now. The drive to work with my coffee and a few hours into work are really good. Then I degrade as the day progresses. I tested myself today when I got home (Home Drug Test) and I’m good on everything, COC, MTD, OPI… (YES!!!), except BZO - Benzodiazepines which is Valium. Not really understanding that one because I only took a few of them (didn’t really care for them) and here it is 16 days later and I’m still testing positive for them??? The one drug that I was going crazy on (Norco’s) was out of my system in 3 days……weird. I know different drugs take different lengths of time to get out of your system, but it still surprises me.
If I could feel at 6:00pm like I feel at 6:00am life would be great. I still don’t have ANY energy when I get home. I hate to keep complaining (feel weak minded sometimes), but it does help me when I post. I guess it’s my journal. I don’t want to keep boring my wife with the same ole sh**…that’s just the way I feel. I hate telling her the same thing, day in and day out.
Really tired and gonna watch some TV. Hope you are doing well Typical. Words of encouragement from my beautiful wife, Typical, and Robert_325 are invaluable to me.
Score: God 16, Devil 0
Peace

God 16, Devil 0 .... that is great news! God has this one in the bag. LOL Glad you are obviously getting better. You sound great. Your energy will improve. I know you have had a pretty rough time with this, 16 days is a tough detox. You have definitely paid your dues. But think of all those who didn't or won't make it out alive. It's a depressing thought. Be thankful .. I know that I give thanks daily. As far as the valium goes showing up in your test, it should be gone the next time you test I would think. You said you didn't take that much of it so you should be okay next time. Benzos are strange in this respect, especially valium or klonopin. Both of these have an extremely long half-life. For example xanax is about 6 hours, but with valium it's more like 36 hours or even more depending. Benzos store in fat cells as well. They are actually one of the drugs that can linger longer than others. But considering your minimal usage you should be clean any day now. Don't be overly concerned about this. The norcos leave our system much more quickly. This is all making sense. Just give it a little more time and then you won't have to worry about it ever again. Glad the forum is helping you. Keep us posted and God bless.

[Typical]

Thanks for keeping me strong Typical. The mornings are my best time now. The drive to work with my coffee and a few hours into work are really good. Then I degrade as the day progresses. I tested myself today when I got home (Home Drug Test) and I’m good on everything, COC, MTD, OPI… (YES!!!), except BZO - Benzodiazepines which is Valium. Not really understanding that one because I only took a few of them (didn’t really care for them) and here it is 16 days later and I’m still testing positive for them??? The one drug that I was going crazy on (Norco’s) was out of my system in 3 days……weird. I know different drugs take different lengths of time to get out of your system, but it still surprises me.
If I could feel at 6:00pm like I feel at 6:00am life would be great. I still don’t have ANY energy when I get home. I hate to keep complaining (feel weak minded sometimes), but it does help me when I post. I guess it’s my journal. I don’t want to keep boring my wife with the same ole sh**…that’s just the way I feel. I hate telling her the same thing, day in and day out.
Really tired and gonna watch some TV. Hope you are doing well Typical. Words of encouragement from my beautiful wife, Typical, and Robert_325 are invaluable to me.
Score: God 16, Devil 0
Peace

Woo Hoo! 16!! GREAT!

I can relate to the evening sink. When I was at work, it was a great distraction, but in the evenings, when I would try to relax after work it was very difficult. I think it is a mind game at that time of day. I would want to go home, sit in the chair, kick back and relax with my husband, pets and watch a little tv. I would get restless and just couldn't relax. That went on for about 2-1/2 weeks. That's where the walks came in during the cooler evening hours. I would do some cleaning, then get one of the dogs or parrots, and go for a walk. It helped. Usually by the time I got back home, I was much more relaxed and could sit and have a somewhat normal evening.

My husband asked everyday how I was feeling. I too, started to feel weak with the same old answer coming out of my mouth. Then, I changed what was coming out of my mouth!!! After the really rough patch, regardless of how I was feeling, I would tell him that I was doing much better...and really I was compared to the onset of the journey. There is something to be said about making yourself talk positively. Words are powerful; even the ones we hear ourselves mutter.

Glad to hear that you are getting actual "imperical evidence" of your physical cleansing. I, like Robert, believe that anyday, the drug testing regents will reveal that you are clean on the benzos.

NNR, you are doing so well. And, whether you know it or not, you are an inspiration to me. Your successful walk through this is a testimony to God's everlasting mercy and power! Each minute, hour and day is another victory Your "success story" serves to let me know that not only are you not alone in this, I am not alone either!!

Because of whose we are!!!!

T.

[Typical]

Well guys,

Last post for a couple of weeks. I'll be thinking of everyone. Keep the faith. I am off to enjoy some mountain air, knees in the breeze with the wind in my face...celebrating a renewal of the spirit....straight and awake. Take care.

NNR, hang in there and many blessings to you and your family! I know you will do fabulously. Prayers are with you.

Robert, thanks...I owe a lot to you. Keep spreading the "Word."

Because of whose we are!!!

T.

[Robert_325]

Well guys,

Last post for a couple of weeks. I'll be thinking of everyone. Keep the faith. I am off to enjoy some mountain air, knees in the breeze with the wind in my face...celebrating a renewal of the spirit....straight and awake. Take care.

NNR, hang in there and many blessings to you and your family! I know you will do fabulously. Prayers are with you.

Robert, thanks...I owe a lot to you. Keep spreading the "Word."

Because of whose we are!!!

T.

Hey... you guys be careful .. OK??? Have fun but take your time. Later.

[Typical]

Hey... you guys be careful .. OK??? Have fun but take your time. Later.

Thanks so very much, Robert. Talk to you later...and God bless you!

Remember, we are no longer our own. We are all "...bought with a price..."

"... But God has joined together all the parts of the body. And he has given more honor to the parts that didn't have any. In that way, the parts of the body will not take sides. All of them will take care of each other. If one part suffers, every part suffers with it. If one part is honored, every part shares in its joy..."


Because of whose we are....
T.

[No-No-Rco]

Didn’t see your post Robert_325 (yesterday, 03:08AM)…Weird…Thank You. Thanks for hitin’ back my brother. I’m glad Typical is getting out for some R&R, she definitely deserves it as you do Robert…when’s your turn…lol.
This is my 3rd day in a row with some pretty decent sleep. What a blessing from the Big Man. As of yesterday, still degrading but feel really good today. This is about the time I start going down hill, but it’s not happening. It’s Saturday, so I didn’t have to get up at 4:30am for work . Gotta just tell myself (like you guys say) to stay positive upstairs.
The thoughts of the Norco’s are greatly diminishing. As you guys know, I quit the drinking also. I wasn’t in the best of moods when I got home from work last night and the wife knew it. When I thought about this, it was because it was Friday and that is usually my beverage night. I told the wife (hoping not to sound selfish, but I know I was) that it’s like not having anything to look forward to anymore. I obviously said, “I know I have my family and I’m thankful for that,” but I was talking more about the euphoric end of the deal. I got over it though.
My wife called me out of the blue and said that she is proud of me as well as a couple of my close friends that are still using. My closest friend at work is one that I used with. He is currently going through some medical issues and now has them legally. My other friend is off on disability and also has legal meds, but they both continue to do other meds that are not prescribed to them…no worries…I know…I have access to Norco’s, but I choose not too. I do worry about them though, but right now isn’t a good time since they are both legitimately having medical issues.
It’s a blessing to have a wife and friends (even the one’s I don’t know personally that care.
Hope you have a great time on your escape Typical! Robert, you are the “Rock” on these forums to so many. Your number of posts blow me away. You guys have been there for me from Day 1 and I can’t thank you enough.
Peace
God 17, Devil 0

[Robert_325]

Didn’t see your post Robert_325 (yesterday, 03:08AM)…Weird…Thank You. Thanks for hitin’ back my brother. I’m glad Typical is getting out for some R&R, she definitely deserves it as you do Robert…when’s your turn…lol.
This is my 3rd day in a row with some pretty decent sleep. What a blessing from the Big Man. As of yesterday, still degrading but feel really good today. This is about the time I start going down hill, but it’s not happening. It’s Saturday, so I didn’t have to get up at 4:30am for work . Gotta just tell myself (like you guys say) to stay positive upstairs.
The thoughts of the Norco’s are greatly diminishing. As you guys know, I quit the drinking also. I wasn’t in the best of moods when I got home from work last night and the wife knew it. When I thought about this, it was because it was Friday and that is usually my beverage night. I told the wife (hoping not to sound selfish, but I know I was) that it’s like not having anything to look forward to anymore. I obviously said, “I know I have my family and I’m thankful for that,” but I was talking more about the euphoric end of the deal. I got over it though.
My wife called me out of the blue and said that she is proud of me as well as a couple of my close friends that are still using. My closest friend at work is one that I used with. He is currently going through some medical issues and now has them legally. My other friend is off on disability and also has legal meds, but they both continue to do other meds that are not prescribed to them…no worries…I know…I have access to Norco’s, but I choose not too. I do worry about them though, but right now isn’t a good time since they are both legitimately having medical issues.
It’s a blessing to have a wife and friends (even the one’s I don’t know personally that care.
Hope you have a great time on your escape Typical! Robert, you are the “Rock” on these forums to so many. Your number of posts blow me away. You guys have been there for me from Day 1 and I can’t thank you enough.
Peace
God 17, Devil 0

Did you receive a post at 3:08AM??? That is wierd, I don't post in the middle of the night. Strange.....

My turn for a trip is coming next month. I'm going to Panama on a mission trip and also going to do some scuba diving and fishing. Will be gone for a couple weeks. Really looking forward to it.

Glad things are getting better. Nothing you can do about your friends still using. I have friends that still use too. I just choose today to not hang with them any longer. We still talk, but I can't afford to be dragged down, so I behave. Those people will always be around, nothing I can do about them except to pray for them. I stopped liquor with drugs too, along with cigarettes, cigars, and also went on a big diet. I figured I might as well get everything over at once. I don't recommend doing that to most people, but it worked for me. Hang in there and it keeps getting better every day.

[No-No-Rco]

Hey Robert….how did I do, ole’ master of the forums…lol. I guess I, “felt the need” to reply to Mrs. Vic2many. I hope she does OK.
I’m still taking it day by day. I am continuing to sleep through the night for the most part. The only thing I’m experiencing now are the (same old story) legs and the lack of energy. I sometimes think that the legs will keep me up at night, but thankfully, that hasn’t been the case. I guess I can’t even come close to comparing my sobriety with yours. I give you a lot of credit with what you went through and for keep the sobriety.
I know that being “Anonymous” on these forums is a good thing and I also know that personal emails are out of the question, but I can’t help but wonder what you and Typical look like. You guys have helped me tremendously, something that I CAN’T and won’t forget. I’m glad you are going to get some R&R as Typical is doing (hope she is having a good time), you definitely deserve it.
Peace and God Bless
God 21, Devil 0

[Robert_325]

Hey Robert….how did I do, ole’ master of the forums…lol. I guess I, “felt the need” to reply to Mrs. Vic2many. I hope she does OK.
I’m still taking it day by day. I am continuing to sleep through the night for the most part. The only thing I’m experiencing now are the (same old story) legs and the lack of energy. I sometimes think that the legs will keep me up at night, but thankfully, that hasn’t been the case. I guess I can’t even come close to comparing my sobriety with yours. I give you a lot of credit with what you went through and for keep the sobriety.
I know that being “Anonymous” on these forums is a good thing and I also know that personal emails are out of the question, but I can’t help but wonder what you and Typical look like. You guys have helped me tremendously, something that I CAN’T and won’t forget. I’m glad you are going to get some R&R as Typical is doing (hope she is having a good time), you definitely deserve it.
Peace and God Bless
God 21, Devil 0

The deal with the restless legs can continue for months literally. It's a drag, but a small price to pay to be rid of all this eventually. Your score at the end of your post (21-0) shows that the devil is mad as hell about losing this. So your head will continue to mess with you for a good while probably. The old devil is doing all he can to try and get you back. Just accept it and plan on it. Then it won't be anything that surprises you and it will make the devil lose the influence he has over you. Your energy level will improve as your rest improves.

These forums have to maintain anonymity. Otherwise people couldn't post without fear. I will accept a personal email from forum members made through the web site if it's a very private matter that someone can't bring themselves to post about in public. I can not carry on with repeated email correspondence however and still be able to reply to posts. It's just too hard, can barely get to the post replies let alone emails. I also moderate on a wellness forum for autoimmune diseases. I can handle it pretty quickly, but it still takes time.

I have personally met a few people from these forums over the years. I had company this weekend at my house ... another forum member from Florida and his girlfriend. That's kind of cool to meet people we talk to about such personal matters. We get to be pretty good friends with some people that we talk to here a lot, especially if we hang around for a while. So I totally understand about liking to meet the people we talk to so much. Stay in touch and God bless.