The Final Stage of Suboxone Taper:

[RubyDean]

I have not made a post in a long time. I have been on Suboxone for just over 6 months and I am down to the end again. This is the third time I have gotten down to end, but each time I got scared and get a few more 8mg pills.
When I do that I end up increasing my dosage again. No MORE! I figure I should make a post and write about it each day until I am done. I need to do something different this time in order to be successful. Today is my third day at .5mg. I feel good, and each night I have managed to sleep fairly well.
Tomorrow I am starting at .25mg, and I already made up the dosages to finish my taper plan, and that is ALL that is left. I have 8 (.25) dosages pre made. I plan on taking .25mg for 4 days, and then start skipping days as Robert suggested. I know I can do this, and be done in the next 2 weeks.
Start my new life free from all drugs, and live clean. Thank you.

[mottam]

RubyDean:
Excellent - good for you!
Keep up the good work - stay clean 1 day at a time.

I just wanted to give you a shout to let you know I am praying and pulling for your continued success at recovery.

Have a nice weekend.

[nikki33]

ok thats sounds great. So again how long have you been on it total?
I am right ahead of you I am down to 2mg in a 8 day period, i am going down to 1mg for 2 days and quit. I am gonna keep you imformed how i feel and please you do that also.
I am ripping the band aid fast at the end bc -oh well you know my deal.
Lots of love

[RubyDean]

Mottam, thank you kindly for those words. I been reading your posts a lot, and you are a good dude. Third time is a charm, and I keep thinking of how good this will feel to be free.
My wife, and my two young daughters give me so much inspiration. Also my sponsor and my meetings, and you good people on this site. I feel real fortunate to have found this.

Nikki, I got nothing but love for ya, and you are really doing great. Ripping that band-aid off fast sounds like a great idea in theory, but please be careful, and do not be affraid or feel bad if you want to taper down to a lower dose. It's only another week or 2, and it can make a big difference. I just want you to feel as good as possible in this process.
I have been on subs for about 6 months, and was basically around 1mg - 2mg for the majortity of the time, the past 4 months or so. The past 2 months I have stayed at 1mg or under at various times. All the will. Thanks!

[nikki33]

Thanks for the kind words.I know what you mean that i may feel bad-to be honest with you Ruby i have not been feeling good for a while now. So i am somewhat sick of being on drugs that don't make me feel good.
Its weird how last night i was dreaming that i was looking for deluidad and i wanted to take some. here are the dreams...
And as far as tapering more i will IF I HAVE TO only.
Please follow my tread and i will do the same with you.
Come on we can do it together.
Where are you from and what age? M or F?
I am 33yo from FL and a female

[SmlUGotFrenchs]

I have not made a post in a long time. I have been on Suboxone for just over 6 months and I am down to the end again. This is the third time I have gotten down to end, but each time I got scared and get a few more 8mg pills.
When I do that I end up increasing my dosage again. No MORE! I figure I should make a post and write about it each day until I am done. I need to do something different this time in order to be successful. Today is my third day at .5mg. I feel good, and each night I have managed to sleep fairly well.
Tomorrow I am starting at .25mg, and I already made up the dosages to finish my taper plan, and that is ALL that is left. I have 8 (.25) dosages pre made. I plan on taking .25mg for 4 days, and then start skipping days as Robert suggested. I know I can do this, and be done in the next 2 weeks.
Start my new life free from all drugs, and live clean. Thank you.

Ruby, I don't wish luck, but I wish you all the strength and power that the Lord can instill in you. They always say "do it for YOU", but you and I know what its about when you've got those children. So I know you'll do anything to make it happen for you, but just as crucially, for them.

I know you know to reach out if I have something that I can give you that you can use. I don't know what it is or I'd give it now, but if its a heart full of prayers, then you've already got it.

[RubyDean]

Thanks Frenchs, that was some good stuff. It was ironic that you mentioned that about 'luck'. I had a counselor when I first detoxed, and she has been clean for 20+ years, she helped treat junky's in the bronx back in the 60's, but anyway she always said 'there is no luck involved, but I wish you many blessings'. I really feel good this time around, before I was always scared and had major reservations, but this time I feel very strong and ready.

Nikki, I know what you mean about those dreams. I had one recently and I was literally shooting dope again, but the funny thing was it was this giant syringe, like a turkey baster or something crazy. Just reminded what a joke of a life I was living. I'm sorry you are feeling bad. I know things will get better for ya, it just takes some time. I like when Robert always says 'if there were no more pills, you would still live, and eventually be fine again' or something like that. It's a rocky road this recovery thing, and my past, it can shake a mans pride, and I wont deny that it's shaken me. I am also 33yo, male, living in OHIO. peace&love.

[RubyDean]

Today is day 1 at .25mg. I feel good, and hope this transition is smooth. Since it is a holiday weekend, I wont be able to post until Tuesday, but I only have 3 (.25mg) dosages at my house so I will stick to it no matter what over the weekend, and when I return to post Tuesday it will be my first official 'skip' day. The best I have ever done up til this point was my second day at .25mg a few weeks ago. I psyched myself out, and went back up. I am really excited and thankful to do this the right way and stick to it no matter what. It is such a mental game to me at this point. Have a great, safe weekend everyone. I will try to post over the weekend if possible. This is the time!

[SmlUGotFrenchs]

Today is day 1 at .25mg. I feel good, and hope this transition is smooth. Since it is a holiday weekend, I wont be able to post until Tuesday, but I only have 3 (.25mg) dosages at my house so I will stick to it no matter what over the weekend, and when I return to post Tuesday it will be my first official 'skip' day. The best I have ever done up til this point was my second day at .25mg a few weeks ago. I psyched myself out, and went back up. I am really excited and thankful to do this the right way and stick to it no matter what. It is such a mental game to me at this point. Have a great, safe weekend everyone. I will try to post over the weekend if possible. This is the time!

I am excited for you, as well. I know I will read Tuesday that you cruised through the weekend and you are posting on your skip day. No problemo! Even if it gets a little rough, it doesn't sound like a band of wild horses could talk you out of this one, RD! Have a great, calm weekend - take the bad with the good, keep your eye on the prize...have I left out any cliches?
I'm rooting for you!

[bev49]

Its funny that you mentioned a counselor who treated "junkies back in the Bronx in the '60s". I was a junky back in the Bronx during the 60's. LOL. I am a 60 yr. old female, struggling with drug addiction for over 40 years. Well, actually not struggling since I didn't really try to get off for 30 years on a stupid methadone program. Well, it saved me as I was shooting heroin on the streets of the Bronx as I said above... But somewhere in those 30 years I should have gotten off or at least made a half hearted effort. But no one encouraged it. Metahdone programs are money making operations after all. And I didn't broach the subject either. Hopefully with the subutex I can do it now. However, like Nikki, I am one of the people who cannot follow Robert's taper plan exactly. Fear of withdrawal won't let me. The fact that I'm 60 with health issues won't let me. Although I have brought myself down to under 1 mg. - .75, lately taking .50 some days so I feel I've come a long way. Just cant do the 4 day and decrease thing. Its much to fast for me and I have to do it in my own time. Having said that I see the plan works beautiful for so many of you and would advise to keep up the good work ! As far as whether its luck or God's blessings, I think its a little of both but mainly something else. I think its HARD HARD work on yourself as an individual and finally getting tired of a lifestyle that doesnt work wanting something different badly enough to do the hard work.

[SmlUGotFrenchs]

Its funny that you mentioned a counselor who treated "junkies back in the Bronx in the '60s". I was a junky back in the Bronx during the 60's. LOL. I am a 60 yr. old female, struggling with drug addiction for over 40 years. Well, actually not struggling since I didn't really try to get off for 30 years on a stupid methadone program. Well, it saved me as I was shooting heroin on the streets of the Bronx as I said above... But somewhere in those 30 years I should have gotten off or at least made a half hearted effort. But no one encouraged it. Metahdone programs are money making operations after all. And I didn't broach the subject either. Hopefully with the subutex I can do it now. However, like Nikki, I am one of the people who cannot follow Robert's taper plan exactly. Fear of withdrawal won't let me. The fact that I'm 60 with health issues won't let me. Although I have brought myself down to under 1 mg. - .75, lately taking .50 some days so I feel I've come a long way. Just cant do the 4 day and decrease thing. Its much to fast for me and I have to do it in my own time. Having said that I see the plan works beautiful for so many of you and would advise to keep up the good work ! As far as whether its luck or God's blessings, I think its a little of both but mainly something else. I think its HARD HARD work on yourself as an individual and finally getting tired of a lifestyle that doesnt work wanting something different badly enough to do the hard work.

I feel ya', Bev. I'm on my 8th day at 2 mg., and don't even plan an attempted drop until at least Tuesday, which will be Day 12. On Robert's advice, with Robert's blessing. I've got too many stressors in my life right now (critically ill child, moving, etc.) and I've somewhat leveled off at 2 mg. Its going to be difficult for me to drop and I know its coming, but I'm just not ready. This is my body, my life - I know what I'm capable of, but more importantly, I know what I'm not capable of. It's not fear of withdrawal stopping me from tapering right now; I tried it, got sick (maybe withdrawals or maybe just got sick!), and got right in the middle of two moves, one at home and one a workplace renovation (sheet rock flying, paint fumes, etc.) - it was just a bad time to drop. Or maybe I really, really like 2 mg.! Who knows how all of this really works? My point is, I agree, and I think Robert will back me, that its all individual - a plan cannot work without revisions for everyone that attempts it. We're human beings..individuals. That has to be taken into consideration. When I realized that, a huge weight was lifted from my shoulders. I am not doing anything "wrong", I'm doing what's right for ME.

* with Robert's blessing, of course...I think the man knows his stuff, so I just listen. I'm that naive. *

[BlackKats]

Its funny that you mentioned a counselor who treated "junkies back in the Bronx in the '60s". I was a junky back in the Bronx during the 60's. LOL. I am a 60 yr. old female, struggling with drug addiction for over 40 years. Well, actually not struggling since I didn't really try to get off for 30 years on a stupid methadone program. Well, it saved me as I was shooting heroin on the streets of the Bronx as I said above... But somewhere in those 30 years I should have gotten off or at least made a half hearted effort. But no one encouraged it. Metahdone programs are money making operations after all. And I didn't broach the subject either. Hopefully with the subutex I can do it now. However, like Nikki, I am one of the people who cannot follow Robert's taper plan exactly. Fear of withdrawal won't let me. The fact that I'm 60 with health issues won't let me. Although I have brought myself down to under 1 mg. - .75, lately taking .50 some days so I feel I've come a long way. Just cant do the 4 day and decrease thing. Its much to fast for me and I have to do it in my own time. Having said that I see the plan works beautiful for so many of you and would advise to keep up the good work ! As far as whether its luck or God's blessings, I think its a little of both but mainly something else. I think its HARD HARD work on yourself as an individual and finally getting tired of a lifestyle that doesnt work wanting something different badly enough to do the hard work.

I have found in the short time that I have been off subs, that end of the road is both physical & mental. Maybe even more mental. I was taking hydro everyday for a little over a year. About 8-10 Lortabs. Some days I'd pig out an take even more because I was in pain.......... mental pain!
I will not lie to any of you guys. The ending for me was a little bumpy. Nothing compared to w/d's from hydro though. I had some belly flops & after five days, still feel a little fatigued. But thats it! I shortened my jump by a few days because I was too eager to get off of the stuff. Bev calls it "anticipation". I am glad that I am done with sub. But looking back, I wish that I would have taken a few more days between my lowest doses., but I didn't. When I dropped from .375mg to .250 mg. I felt it. Very subtle, but I felt a little different. I should have listened to my body telling me to slow down a little. Maybe take an extra day at the higher dose.
The drop to .250mg was too quick (two days) and to .125 was too quick. (two days). Those four extra days more than likely would have came in very handy at the end. So in theory, I jumped at .250mg and not .125mg. like Robert suggested. Oh well, the hard way or no way. You can always tell an addict.......but you can't tell them much.
My advise is take as long as you need, but remember to stick with the commitment of quitting. The brightest thought for me right now, is that I do NOT have to take a sub dose every single day. Im done. I still feel a little p00py, but I screwed up my own landing. I came in to quick. If I would have not been so dam eager, I probably would have landed much softer.
In the words of my great-grandfather: Take your time..... and hurry up about it!

Gary

[SmlUGotFrenchs]

I have found in the short time that I have been off subs, that end of the road is both physical & mental. Maybe even more mental. I was taking hydro everyday for a little over a year. About 8-10 Lortabs. Some days I'd pig out an take even more because I was in pain.......... mental pain!
I will not lie to any of you guys. The ending for me was a little bumpy. Nothing compared to w/d's from hydro though. I had some belly flops & after five days, still feel a little fatigued. But thats it! I shortened my jump by a few days because I was too eager to get off of the stuff. Bev calls it "anticipation". I am glad that I am done with sub. But looking back, I wish that I would have taken a few more days between my lowest doses., but I didn't. When I dropped from .375mg to .250 mg. I felt it. Very subtle, but I felt a little different. I should have listened to my body telling me to slow down a little. Maybe take an extra day at the higher dose.
The drop to .250mg was too quick (two days) and to .125 was too quick. (two days). Those four extra days more than likely would have came in very handy at the end. So in theory, I jumped at .250mg and not .125mg. like Robert suggested. Oh well, the hard way or no way. You can always tell an addict.......but you can't tell them much.
My advise is take as long as you need, but remember to stick with the commitment of quitting. The brightest thought for me right now, is that I do NOT have to take a sub dose every single day. Im done. I still feel a little p00py, but I screwed up my own landing. I came in to quick. If I would have not been so dam eager, I probably would have landed much softer.
In the words of my great-grandfather: Take your time..... and hurry up about it!

Gary

I love it - Take your time...and hurry up about it! The want/need to be free must be so strong there at the end that you must be like a horse at the finish line! But I'm kinda big on a soft landing. There's been way too much in-flight turbulence for me to have this any rougher. I'm completely committed, but this landing is going to be as smooth as possible.

Good for you, though! You're done! And later when you look back, I have a feeling that landing won't seem nearly as bumpy as it actually was. And now...smooth sailing. Whoa, sorry - premature change of metaphor.

Congratulations, and take good care of yourself. Your body deserves it!

[RubyDean]

I am doing pretty good considering .5mg drop to .25mg is a 50% reduction. I felt it, and a bit harder than I thought. Friday was my first day at .25, Sat. I took my .25 again early morning, and then I needed another one about 16 hrs. later, so I broke down and took it before bed. Sunday I went to my home group morning meeting, and didn't feel so great, sweating a lot too, so I took another .25 dose Sunday around noon. So basically Friday thru Sunday (72 hrs, and 4 (.25mg) doses). Today is Labor Day, and I feel real good, slept well and didn't need to run and dose this morning. I did however come into work and get another just in case today gets bad, but I haven't had anything in 21 hrs. Hell, I might even try to skip today...we'll see...wishful thinkng. I have had bad allergies lately, but it seems the line is blurred on what is allergies and what is withdrawal symptoms. I take a lot of zyrtek and benadryll, along with my vitamins. I read in Burrough's 'Junkie' a while back on the potential help antihisthamine can have on withdrawal...or at least help the obvious symptoms...Bottom line is this is the closest I have ever been to being off, so I'm gonna keep working at it, I only have a few more .25 doses to my name. Thanks Sml, I feel ya on the moving ish, I was hanging around 1-2mg for a looong time. Good stuff Gary, I like that saying a lot. And Bev, damn I know you got stories, you were in it back when the French Connection was running full force. Getting clean at 60 is nothing shy of amazing. I have nothing but love and respect for you. Talk tomorrow, I gotta run home and enjoy my fam on this rainy holiday...
postscript: Robert, I hope you are feeling better or are at least comfortable.

[bev49]

SMLU, before I say anything else I want to say this. I've been following your posts for awhile and I want you to know that ALL my prayers and thoughts and best wishes go out to your little guy.

The way I look at it is like this: There is no one size fits all way to do this. Some people need methadone, some can kick c/t, some can follow Robert's plan to a T and do great, some need extra time. With all due respect to you, Robert, and I have the utmost respect,I realized that I can't personally be "naive" when it comes to my body mind and spirit. When I first came here, I thought I could and really wanted to. And I felt guilty as hell when I realized there was no way I could do it. An example of the way I think about this: my hubby was recently put on a drug to treat a condition he has causinjg SEVERE nerve pain. This drug works for most people. It's a very good drug. In his case, for wahtever reason, it wasn't working. But for most, its a very good drug, just not for him individually. The taper plan is the same thing. Its a great plan, just not for everyone. Ask purple. Ask Nikki. Sometimes its perfect, sometimes it needs revisions and sometimes it isnt gonna work at all. This isn't one stop shopping. No plan or treatment is gonna work for everyone. If it did, we would all take the same route and be done with it. Everyone is different. We are all addicts but got here different ways, are different ages, have different health conditions. Some of us are tougher, some much more fragile. I'm just rambling on and on to say, SM, stay on the 2 as long as you need to in my opinion. You know whats best for you... Is f'ing up and using a better alternative? Robert, there is no offense intended here. I know your plan is a good thing and works in most cases. I just said all this to say that people should realize that if they CANT accomplish it in a particular way or time frame, it isnt a failure. There are more than 1 ways to skin a cat and sometimes a person shouldn't be niave and has to figure out their own path to our ultimate goal. SML, you are definitely gonna do it, at your own pace. Listen to Purple mantra "SLOW AND STEADY WINS THE RACE"

[bev49]

GARY - your are very entertaining always lol. "You can always tell an addict....but you can't tell him much". Love that line. And grandpa's line "take your time and hurry up about it!!" It's an oldy but a goody .

Thank you so much for your advice about perhaps taking things a bit slower. When I finally get there I don't think I can go slowly enough... ugghh...(there I go anticipating again) I wish they had the European med here... the .2 and .4 or .8.... You'd think as strong as this stuff is, they would have it here. Hopefully, they're working on it. In any case, the bottom line is that you've reach the goalline. It could have been easier. Coulda woulda shoulda.... YOU DID IT...Your Poopy (your word lol) feeling will ease up every day. I admire your accomplishment.... Stay strong Gary, stay committed. Keep communicating and stay funny

[Robert_325]

Bev .... I have NEVER said that any taper plan is "one stop shopping". Just the opposite, that's why I ask people to post because everyone's experience is different. That's why drs can't keep doses down is their "one plan for everyone" approach.

Read the post in the link we tell people to read. One stop shopping is MY beef with the way the drs do this. Where did this come from? This doesn't go perfect for someone and all of a suddden this taper is compared to a one stop shopping analogy? GEESH!!

I don't need this. People can do their own tapers. Works for me.

[bev49]

Ruby, got stories that you wouldn't believe. Hell, I look in the mirror, see a 60 year old grandma, think back, and sometime I CANT EVEN BELIEVE THEM. Yep, I was around during the french connection. Yep, I'm THAT old . Coming from NY, I actually remember it as it was happening. It would be impossible to do now what I did then. Everyone has guns now, they will kill you for 2 dollars or a cell phone. Not tha t things were safe and nice back then, but certainly safer than now.

As for antihistimines helping, they definitely do help with some of the symptoms. I just found a really good article. Its at hhtp://www.wikihow.com/Endure-Acute-Withdrawal-from-Opiates-(Narcotics)
It covers pretty much everything about kicking. I was gonna cut and paste the article but its too long. I really advise reading it though. And thats for the compliment about getting clean at 60 being nothing shy of amazing. I would say getting clean at 60 is nothing shy of HELLISH lol.... Just keep working at it, Ruby, like you said.... As long as youre going in the right direction, you're doing good. Read that article, its good.

Take care and keep doing the right thing..

[bev49]

OMG, Robert. You took me WRONG.... Thats exactly why I said "Robert, with all due respect" It has nothing to do with your plan. I KNOW you advise people to do it however it works best if the original plan doesnt work. I was not comparing your plan to a one stop shopping. I was just trying to give a bit of encouragement to people like SMU, Purp, Nikki, people who couldnt do it exactly as laid out so that they wouldnt feel like they were failing. I know I felt ********py and guilty when I realized I couldnt do it like the plan said so I was just saying there are alot of ways to skin a cat. Please dont misunderstand or misinterpet. I made it my business to say the plan works wonderfully and it does. Was just saying for people who cant do it exactly, dont feel guilty (like I did). Life isnt one stop shopping. Even the "2 aspirins for a headache" that a doctor will advise, which has worked for so many years for so many millions doesnt always.. I was NOT insinutating that you're plan was a one stop shopping deal...I was just reaching out to the minority who can't taper easily or successfully. I was responding to SMU saying she was on her 8th day of 2 and likes it there. What I was trying to say and thought I made clear is that your plan work beautifully. BUT if it doesnt, dont feel bad, nothing is life is one size fits all, people are differrent. It wasn't about your plan but rather about the people trying to accomplish detox. And I NEVER implied that you didnt agree with me. In fact, I know you have told people over and over to slow down, stop, change direction or whatever they had to do to make it work. PLEASE dont misread me. I didnt mean anything negative whatsoever. Was talking about EVERYTHING, not your taper plan... Not everyone can take meth, not everything can kick cold turkey... Thats all I meant....I personally wanted to follow the plan to a T, came to the coclusion I was too old, too sick, too scared... Was just saying there are some of us that gotta adjust, not saying you didnt go along with that philosophy... Was just trying to support people stuck at some point in getting off, like myself.. No disrespect was intended.

[purpledog]

i personally take bits and pieces that will work for me and apply them.
i look at what others are doing, and what stage and how they are going, so i learn heaps from everyone.
yep im happy with my progress, and as long as you are on the downward direction with your drugs well then all good ay.
rubydean i thought you were a chick. heh heh
bev wassssup pal. how you doin.


gary, you da man. go bro, good one.
be strong and keep me posted on how you are feeling. its good to see, coz you were a bit quicker than me, and im learning off you. cool and thanks.

purpledog

[purpledog]

how rude of me rubydean, not to tell you how great you are doin.

keep on the right track, and slow and steady wins the race.

purple

[bev49]

hey kiwi, im hanging in there.... .... still hanging in at less than 1 more than .50.... One of these days I'll jump off the next cliff ) Slow and steady, yeah yeah yeah.....

[purpledog]

oh hell im not sounding like a broken record already. heh heh

[RubyDean]

Well, doing good still at .25mg. I slept well, and truly didn't have any problem going 24hrs.
I finally feel 'stable' at my dose now, so I will decide tomorrow if I want to skip a day. Thanks for the article Bev. All good info. These allergies are not helping. This is hands down the closest I have been to getting off suboxone, so I will stay focused on my progress. I appreciate everyone's input, stories, and encouragement.
Yeah, purpledog, I was thinking my screen name might be misleading, but I also was all about my anonymity when I first came here. (first time you posted I though you was a dude, lol) RubyDean is actually an old Bobby Womack song that is near and dear to my heart. Womack is my musical mentor, and his album "Communication" saved my life. I know one day I will get to meet him, and it will be a beautiful day.
purple: do you do NA where you live? just curious...

[bev49]

Thats why I made my screen name BEV... no mistaking... I've made the mistake several times of calling a girl and guy and vice versa because of the name. You gotta read a person for a while sometimes to be able to glean the proper info to know..

Ruby, you're doing great. get the Benedryl. Why suffer with allergies or w/d? Whichever it is? You've come too far this time to even think about going in the wrong direction. You're moving in the right direction and we all have faith... Cheering you on !....

[RubyDean]

Today is my last day at .25mg. Tomorrow I am going to see how I feel, and plan on just taking .125mg. Last night was difficult, I didn't sleep much and was feeling some w/d effects. I really think the reason was that yesterday when I took my dose I swallowed it way too soon due to my allergies and sneezing fits. Anywho, this is a real good feeling. This is the closest I have been and will not turn back. Today has been a great day all around, and I am very hopeful, thankful to everyone, especially Robert. I want to post on the 'clean thread' before too long.

[SmlUGotFrenchs]

Today is my last day at .25mg. Tomorrow I am going to see how I feel, and plan on just taking .125mg. Last night was difficult, I didn't sleep much and was feeling some w/d effects. I really think the reason was that yesterday when I took my dose I swallowed it way too soon due to my allergies and sneezing fits. Anywho, this is a real good feeling. This is the closest I have been and will not turn back. Today has been a great day all around, and I am very hopeful, thankful to everyone, especially Robert. I want to post on the 'clean thread' before too long.

I finally got my Internet service. I am feeling so badly - I had never planned on a post like this one. I want the relief that Norco in my lingerie drawer brings me, not the suffering that this little bit of Sub brings me. I'm so weak today. I've been at the doctor with Michael. My son is sick, sick - throwing up, having to come home from school at 8:00 in the ********ing morning! Robert, help me. I don't know what to do. He is so sick and my body hurts so bad, my hips, my legs, help me, - somebody help me... I can't do it - any of it. I don't know what to do - oh, God, please help me.

[purpledog]

hey rubydean bloke dude,
how you feeling.
well im gonna officially drop to 3mg thru the clinic on monday. which means im gonna start being on 2.5 for my next drop. omg. its people like you ahead of me that keep me nudging along. i know im a slowby but i also know the methadone stays in your system a good long while. yuk. yeh ive had to be a bit devious the whole way on my program, in fact i sent a fax today trying to get twice a week pick ups and i got a voicemail reply, they have to "defer" it for a week coz my counsellor is away and the doctor is away. wot a crock of shyte. i always get angry at how the clinic control you.
wow dude, you are just about clean.
please tell me how you go. coz you are just ahead of me.
go hard pal
purpledog

[purpledog]

smlu why are you feeling so sick. you have been on 2mg for ages ay.
well couple of weeks. i am only a mg behind you.
i guess my only symptoms, are thru the night. i am finding myself stretching, which was one of my worst symptoms trying to come of methadone. i would stretch my legs till i pulled muscles. its awful. well i am doing that round 4-5am, not quite to the point of straining the muscles, but pretty close. and i wake up real early, in fact im not sleeping much past 6am, which for me is highly unusual coz i am a long time pillowhead.
im curious why you feel so crook now. how much did you drop. did you go to
1.5 ?
let me know what you did that was different.
hope by the time you read this you are feeling a bit better.
laters
purpledog

[RubyDean]

SmlU, I am really worried about you now. That post was alarming as hell. Hope you are okay. Michael too, hopefully he just has a small bug and it will pass. Just do the best you can. Truly sorry.

pdog - one love. i'm doin the deal, and tryin to hang in there. Feelin good tho.
Down to less than .25mg now!