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Old 10-01-2009, 08:48 AM
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Cool Fentanyl Detox, Back pain, Depression/Anx

Hi. My name is Nicki, I'm 30 years old and have two children, a 10 year old daughter and 2 year old son. I was married for 7 years before my first husband (father of my daughter) left me for his secretary whom was 20 years my senior (he was 10 years older than me). To my surprise, the man of my dreams had been under my nose since middle school. It just took us until 3 years ago to find that out. Now I am remarried and have a son with him.

I grew up around drugs and did my fair share of trying them. My mom was an alcoholic and my dad loved his nose candy. At 6 years old, my mom was diagnosed with cervical cancer and died 2 years later. My dad took off with his girlfriend at the time and left my little brother and I on my grandmother's doorstep.

For a year I didn't speak to anyone except my best friend, Mike whom was a year older than me. He ended up raping me. I didn't tell anyone until I was 14. Then I was called a slut.

Before my mom got sick, she had already had my brother and I involved in softball and bowling, which I stuck with throughout my life into my late twenties, adding marching band, track and field and basketball on top of that.

In the 6th grade, I made it half way through the year before my dad showed up out of nowhere and took my brother and I back to live out in the country with his new girlfriend's family. They consisted of alcoholics, drug addicts and child molesters (a family of 13). My brother and I shared a storage closet and kept the door deadbolted from the inside to keep them out. They would often knock on the door in the middle of the night trying to get us to let them in.

That summer, my brother broke a window out of an abandoned car in the backyard and was threatened by one of the live-ins. I lost my mind and went at her. I wanted to kill her, but instead our family was kicked out. I couldn't be happier for my strength in that moment.

My Dad moved us back to the inner city. We lived next to a transvestite on one side, a couple that was constantly beating each other on the other and my dad and his girlfriend's supplier across the street. My mom was cuban and my dad white and we were nestled in a latino neighborhood. Because my skin is lighter than it "should" be, I was constantly threatened and beaten up for it by the other latino kids in the neighborhood.

We were there for two years before my dad moved us (because a man died on our front steps..bled to death from a gunshot wound) to a nice neighborhood. He had quit doing hard drugs and started on perscription drug abuse. I was now 14 and starting high school.

I had two friends. Karen (whom was a foster kid from the same city I was from) and Lisa (who's 20 year old boyfriend shot himself in the head in front of her). I had my first real boyfriend then too and my first miscarriage. It was then that I told my (now) step-mother about my rape and was deemed a slut ever after. I ran away from home the first time. One day later, I was found.

That summer, we moved back into the same abusive place we were kicked out of. This time, we had the whole basement to ourselves which had 3 bedrooms, a living room, kitchen and bathroom. I had already started drinking that summer.

I had been told about my real grandfather whom was deported back to cuba after knocking up my grandmother. Another grandfather whom was in prison for life for murder, and then the grandfather that I thought was my grandfather, the alcoholic that was a high school drop out.

Now in high school in the country town, drugs were plenty. I smoked pot, dopestick, dropped a lot of acid, did a little speed..anything to pass the time in my personal prison. My step mother hadn't let me out of my room since I was 14 (except to go to school) because of my indescression. It didn't stop me from having a nice unprotected sex life. I just skipped school instead.

My current husband was off doing that and more on his side of the school with his circle of friends. We didn't know each other really then, even though we only lived about a mile from each other.

At 17, I had already been cutting for a year and attempted my third suicide. My step-mother started stuffing elavils and vicodins down my throat. I had won a writing contest and the school paid for me to go to a college of my choice for the summer. I was told I couldn't go.

That night, I attacked my step-mother and almost killed her. My dad got in the way and took the brunt of the beating. I was blacked out. When I came to, there was hair and blood and screaming. My dad was on the floor and I was standing over him. I went to college the next day.

At college, I detoxed b/c I had no access to any drugs or alcohol and felt great. I had so many friends. It was the best experience of my life. Then I went home. I was home for one day and my dad's wife left him. He tried to commit suicide in front of my brother. I saved his worthless ass and took him to the ER to have his stomach pumped. He was hospitalized for two weeks before coming home to a baby-proofed house.

Then he started dating the woman that threatened to hurt my brother..the reason we were kicked out the first time. She had a little boy whom is a bi-polar skitzophrenic with ADHD and severe food allergies. I related well with the little boy and took care of him, teaching him how to write and talk, along with my baby brother (only a year younger, but mentally, stuck in the age when our mom died).

Finally, I turned 18. I moved out, dropped out of school and lived on the street. I was back on drugs, drinking and sleeping with anyone that would give me a place to sleep for the night or a hot shower. I was working 2 full time jobs to support my drug habits.

My first husband found me then. He brought me into his home, cleaned me up, got me pregnant for the eighth time (which was my first live birth pregnancy) and turned me into his personal slave. Only if I was really good would I even get a touch of his hand to my cheek. We slept in separate rooms, didn't talk. I worked and supported our home (clean and sober) for 6 years. After year six, I started drinking again, and sleeping around on him.

During marriage counceling, I found out about his sexual problems and why our sex life was only of a violent nature and far and inbetween. After he aired his problems, he left me for his secretary whom he'd already been seeing.

I tried to commit suicide again.

My six year old daughter called my brother to come save me. He, and his two best friends moved in to take care of me. They made me go to counceling, get through the custody battle and sat with me 24/7 for suicide watch.

One became my best friend, the other a boyfriend for another year. I was still drinking. I left that part out of counceling. I remained an alcoholic, losing my job, my house, my boyfriend..it was just my daughter and I and we moved in with my alcoholic grandfather and grandmother whom had been trying to successfully kill herself since my mom was little.

Then my best friend from high school, whom was my supplier (and ended up in a psychiatric ward after ODing on Acid) found me and we started dating. He didn't drink or do ANY drugs anymore. He had found peace in Hinduism. He helped me get my life on track and my grandfather taught me how to be a functioning alcoholic. But, my boyfriend wasn't a sexual deviant and I didn't know how to go without that, so I left him.

I changed jobs again and started back to my sports, working out everyday at the gym and playing with my daughter. I only drank at night after she had gone to bed now and would pass out. I quit eating. Every day or so I would eat a cup of soup and drank energy drinks all day long.

Finally, my grandmother kicked me out. My daughter was at her Dads for the summer and I bought a trailer from the dealer where I hung out (though I wasn't doing any drugs). Then I met my second husband.

We were drinking buddies at first. His dad had died while he was in high school of cancer and he had abused every drug under the sun...waaay more than me. At 23, he had a heart attack (which was 3 years earlier then) caused from a blood clot. It seriously weakened his heart. He had just gotten out of a bad relationship, had only slept with 1 person before me his whole life, had a great job, a nice place and he loved me just being me!

I already had a girlfriend at the time, but he and I got very serious. Then I got pregnant. Didn't learn did I? I told him he didn't have to hang around or anything, but he wanted to! It scared the hell out of me b/c I was afraid he would end up being like my last husband. No where near it.

Him and my girlfriend fought all the time over me. I just let them go ahead and duke it out and took care of the kids. Both of them knowing that my first live pregnancy almost killed me, they were both worried about me making it through this one. I was on bedrest again, quit drinking and smoking..and made it through.

6 months after my son was born, I was picking him up out of his crib and fell. He landed on top of me, just fine and I was trapped on the floor with him until my neighbor found me. That's when I started taking perscribed pain medication.

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Old 10-01-2009, 08:48 AM
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I couldn't walk. My husband had to carry me to the bathroom! They started me on vicodin 750. I had a problem with dislocating patellas since a karate accident when I was 18 and being down with my back, weakened my knees. I had just started walking again and fell down the stairs.

Back to the doctors. They upped my dose to 3x a day instead of 2 as needed. Then on my daughter's 10th birthday, I was *barely* walking to her softball game and a drunk driver hit a telephone pole and a powerline was coming down at us. My husband, carrying our son, pushed me down an embankment out of the way. An ambulance trip later, I was on vicodin and valium.

I started suffering severe depression as I was not getting any better and had been unable to even hold my son because of my pain level. I went back to my shrink and was put on celexa and cymbalta with xanax for panic attacks. I had been taking effexor, but I had to go off of my meds for the pregnancy and I didn't like the lexipro for post partum depression, so I just quit taking it.

I finally started getting better so that I could move around with a cane. I had planned a surprise father's day present for my husband to see Weezer, one of his favorite bands. The night before we were leaving, I was shooing my cat away from the garbage and nearly broke my leg with a bad fall. Back in the bed. Missed the trip.

so, at thanksgiving last year, I started having severe pain in my stomach. I went to the ER to find out that my gal bladder was destroyed from all the meds I was taking and had to be removed. I got it out on New Years Eve. Two days later, fell in the bathtub.

I was put on oxycodone. After three months of that, I finally got to a pain clinic doctor (after seeing surgeons that said there was no surgery to help my back..L1-L5 bulged and L1 torn). She immediately took me off oxycodone and put me on kadian, telling me kadian is processed much easier by the liver and won't be damaging. Whatever the doctor says right? After 3 months of that I started constantly puking. Until I could get in to see my doctor, I started smoking pot, just a few hits, to keep food down. It was working, but I didn't want to be on any "illegal" drugs. So she switched me to the fentanyl patch 25mcg. After two weeks, she bumped me right up to 50mcg.

I was a zombie. Instead of constipation and puking, I had constant diarehha and stomach cramps. I slept all the time..awake maybe 2-4 hours a day..constantly falling asleep and my 2 year old having free reign of our home while his dad was at work.

So, on 9/20/09 I tried to get my handicap sticker renewed. My pain clinic doctor wouldn't see me, talk to me, take a phone call! I still had a full months supply of fentanyl, but I started freaking out. I called my family doctor and she was very concerned about it. She immediately put in a referal for me to see a new pain doctor. My husband wigged out. He called his mom whom works in a crisis center and she told him "take her off CT right now!"

So, I went off fentanyl, CT. I didn't take ANY of my medications..mostly b/c I was puking. 7 days of w/d..something I had never experienced before and thought would never end. My body constantly twisted and thrashed, my limbs flailing, my head whipping..screaming, crying, sweating so much the couch cushions were soaked..acne, hives, rashes...no sleep for days on end, just this constant suffering with no relief!

I called my family doctor once I was able to even talk..but she had just gone into labor shortly after our last talk and was not coming back until January. So I saw my husband's doctor. He saw my chart and his eyes popped out of his head. I talked him down from kadian to 525 vicodins. I haven't taken anything yet...just hot baths for muscle pain..I feel like a california raisin! And he gave me a script for ambien. I have been taking half. I slept GREAT the first night..my exhaustion out of control..but last night was more restless, waking every 20 minutes and forcing myself back to sleep.

For everyone going through this or something similar..ANY kind of depression or stress...writing is a great way to get it off your chest..and if you're like me, you write where others can read it. Even if you don't know if they are or not, the available "getting it out there" is so much relief.

This is my relief. This is my last starting of a thread...I think I have 3 now..and that's 2 too many since I can hardly remember where I left my car keys half the time!

Good luck to us all!
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Old 10-01-2009, 02:12 PM
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Wow, congratulations you have had a lot of very hard stages in your life from what you've explained. I think in the end that only makes you a stronger person. You have been through Hell, I'm so sorry for your miscarriages. It was nice to read your story though, I think you should focus on trying to instill the strength you have in your children. Congratulations again, that is one of the most incredible life stories I have read in some time. Thank you for sharing, it is inspirational.
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Old 10-01-2009, 02:55 PM
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Thumbs up Thank you!

For posting this, after reading your past life history It made me realize how "good" my life really is. Very inspirational, and so sorry to hear about your miscarriages. I have two kids as well, both boys. Five and two years old.

I couldn't imagine what you have gone through, but you seem like such a STRONG person. And I wish you all the luck from here on out.

I abused pain pills, due to a back injury. How are you dealing with your pain? Have you noticed that it's subsided any since being Clean?? I would love to hear back from you! Keep up the great work.
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Old 10-01-2009, 11:30 PM
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I abused pain pills, due to a back injury. How are you dealing with your pain? Have you noticed that it's subsided any since being Clean?? I would love to hear back from you! Keep up the great work.
Well it's early right now. The dull ache that is there isn't any worse than it was ON the pain medication. When I get moving around though, I have to get in a hot tub and soak for a good 10 minutes or so and lay down to rest. But, there are all kinds of other pains popping up. My knees are Killin' me, but I'm just bitin' the bullet. I noticed I do a lot of rocking now when the pain gets bad. I'm not fully through detox yet, but the hardest part is over!
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Old 10-02-2009, 04:15 PM
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Be very careful with Ambien. I have an insomnia problem and my doctor prescribed it for me. About the second week I started feeling worthless and had suicidal thoughts. I later found out this is one of the potential side effects of Ambien, so be very careful.

Congrats on getting off the fentanyl. My dad was on it the 4 years before he died and it would have killed him had they tried to take him off.
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Old 10-03-2009, 07:05 AM
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Sorry, it could be my age (that's entirely possible... lol), but I couldn't tell - are you OFF the painkillers now? I saw mention of being given a prescription for vicodan, but are you taking it? Are you going cold turkey?

God bless,
Ruth
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Old 10-04-2009, 12:29 AM
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I am off all pain medication. I have a bottle of vicodin, but it's in my husband's possession and I haven't needed it yet. I am still, however, going through PAWS..and had a w/d relapse last night that kept me up all night twitching and flailing.
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Old 10-04-2009, 12:49 AM
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how many days have you been opiate free??
just curious as you said you had a w/d relapse. do you mean the symptoms kicked in again, or what.
you go girl, you deserve all the best and you are so right, even though people don't even know each other, it is good to get it out.
im on subs, tapering downwards.
thanks for sharing.
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Old 10-04-2009, 11:15 PM
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how many days have you been opiate free??
just curious as you said you had a w/d relapse. do you mean the symptoms kicked in again, or what.

sj
I have been detoxing for 10 days now. Day 9 was the relapse..and yes, the symptoms of w/d were back, just not as bad. I'm used to my PAWS only lasting about 5-15 minutes at a time, but these lasted a full 9 hours before letting up (b/c I took a 1/2 g of xanax).

I'm really afraid to take my hydrocodone b/c I don't want to feed my w/ds! I know its only 5/500, but I'm trying to just deal. I'm not happy about taking the benzos either but I'm kinda on my own with this..
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Old 10-04-2009, 11:28 PM
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Unhappy I am SO SCREWED!

so as some of you know, my husband is off work b/c his heart is failing. He's getting a pace maker installed in a few weeks. In about 7 weeks, I'm going to be without insurence again. That means, no more pain clinic doctor, no more PT, no more family doctor, no more perscriptions for anything! I can't go back to work (I'm in the process of getting disability), my husband has to change jobs, my poor kids will at least have insurence through the state.

The biggest problem I have with this is THE SCREAMING PAIN IN MY BACK!!!!

Oh I don't know what I'm going to do now...I do NOT want to go back to smoking pot for pain relief.

I'm on vacation right now..(the hubby's passed out..he sleeps a lot with his heart problem)..and I've spent the better part of the day and night in the jacuzzi here in the room for my back/knee pain only to feel just as bad when I get out. What am I supposed to do. I'm ready for the financial hardship (we've been there many times before) but I'm not ready for this kind of pain.

Please, give me some strength..some advice! What do I take..what do I even ask for from the doctor?! How do I keep living like this...
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Old 10-05-2009, 04:13 AM
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chastesin the main thing to do is NOT take any more opiates, those hydrocodones will put you right back to day one, and that sounds like a bummer seeing you have come so far.
the pain probably seems worse during this time, but don't forget your mind also trys and tricks you into using again, at any cost. please dont.

there is a thomas recipe link somewhere on these boards, have a look round or if you are lucky someone who knows how will post it for you.
be kind to yourself, you have come so far,
keep going
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Old 10-05-2009, 04:30 AM
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SJ is right - the last thing you want to do right now is get anywhere near any narcotic painkillers, such as vicodan or oxys/percs/fentanyl.

A lot of the process of getting clean is right in our heads - the mental stuff is staggering. I also had chronic pain that continued when I got clean, and I had to change my outlook, in order to get better. NA and AA helped me with a lot of that - the mental and emotional piece of the addiction.

When we are looking for a justification for using, we find a million excuses for why we "need" to take something narcotic. We refuse to see any other options. BUT, when we are fully committed to staying clean, we seek out other solutions with a willing attitude. We try anything and everything to avoid the use of narcotics, whether it be an OTC medication or one of the NSAIDS, or an alternative form of treatment, like acupuncture or chiropractic, massage, physical therapy ... anything.

As long as I had lingering reservations about stopping, I couldn't stay clean for any length of time. My body would actually intensify the pain, to allow my head to justify returning to pills. When I got to the point that I refused to entertain any option of narcotics, I focused on other solutions. Soon thereafter, the pain itself lessened. It stunned me to realize that I had been subconsciously bringing on pain to give myself permission to use. But that was the beginning of true recovery for me.
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I do see a chiropractor and have been twice a week for the better part of 2 years (although my doctors think it's a crock of..) My husband has an arrangement with the doctor to trade his computer services for visits.

I still have not taken another opiod since 11 days ago. Next, the Thomas Recipe..*that* is what I used to get through the bad part of w/d. It doesn't help at all for pain relief after the fact. It's also why I take 1 Ambien a night for sleep. I am constantly wired now (which doesn't help my back).

My husband is using the last of our money to buy me a gym membership, since I am losing my PT and doctors. I am also going to be losing my antidepression medication. I think I have enough left for 2 months, and then I'm screwed there too. I also have GERD medication I'm supposed to be taking, which I won't be able to afford either.

I'm really not looking for an excuse to use...just something to help the pain. Blah.
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Old 10-06-2009, 05:13 AM
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I do see a chiropractor and have been twice a week for the better part of 2 years (although my doctors think it's a crock of..) My husband has an arrangement with the doctor to trade his computer services for visits.

I still have not taken another opiod since 11 days ago. Next, the Thomas Recipe..*that* is what I used to get through the bad part of w/d. It doesn't help at all for pain relief after the fact. It's also why I take 1 Ambien a night for sleep. I am constantly wired now (which doesn't help my back).

My husband is using the last of our money to buy me a gym membership, since I am losing my PT and doctors. I am also going to be losing my antidepression medication. I think I have enough left for 2 months, and then I'm screwed there too. I also have GERD medication I'm supposed to be taking, which I won't be able to afford either.

I'm really not looking for an excuse to use...just something to help the pain. Blah.
I never meant to offend you - I'm only sharing my own experience with chronic pain and pain medication. When I was in the midst of it, I had no idea what was going on within me, and have only since come to recognize what was going on then, in recovery. If it doesn't apply to you, feel free to disregard it. I wish you nothing but the best.

God bless,
Ruth
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:57 AM
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I never meant to offend you - I'm only sharing my own experience with chronic pain and pain medication. When I was in the midst of it, I had no idea what was going on within me, and have only since come to recognize what was going on then, in recovery. If it doesn't apply to you, feel free to disregard it. I wish you nothing but the best.

God bless,
Ruth
You didn't! I'm just venting. I'm at an impass...not sure what to do with this new found life..and how to deal with the pain through it.

I'm going to the college today to sign back up for classes...finish my degree..get my gym membership...try to work through my stress with exercise.
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