Dropping to 6mgs subs sunday

[pitbulllover67]

I know I started at a high dose 8mgs but sunday is my 5th day on subs and I will drop to 25% less in which I started.6mgs I do 1/2 tab then 1 1/2 later do another half.Sould I do this same procedure just with 6mgs??no one has to answer because Im a ass but thats what Im going to do
I paniicked at first and then started trouble.well i was an idiot even one called me a punk and to dig a hole and crawl into it lmao.But you guys are right.Everything is good.went to garage sales today.It was cool spending $ on stuff.So normal so nice.But the demon is there wanting me to just get some good ole roxies.I feel him there.I know its up to me to just fight it.And its working.I know if I do a roxie now the stuff in subs will make me sick as hell.The wds was what made me panic in the 1st place.So no way I will do one.I have the ? in my mine do i need to stay on subs so i know i have a weapon of mass destruction to keep me off roxies.If thats the case Id rather stay on them.But I know all of you will advise me not to.Maybe in time the wanting of a roxie will go away.The urge is so strong today and I feel good physically and and some what mentally.I read a post by robert325 that suggested a christain like NA maybe I need that.I dont want to use subs as a weapon against roxies.

[Robert_325]

I know I started at a high dose 8mgs but sunday is my 5th day on subs and I will drop to 25% less in which I started.6mgs I do 1/2 tab then 1 1/2 later do another half.Sould I do this same procedure just with 6mgs??no one has to answer because Im a ass but thats what Im going to do
I paniicked at first and then started trouble.well i was an idiot even one called me a punk and to dig a hole and crawl into it lmao.But you guys are right.Everything is good.went to garage sales today.It was cool spending $ on stuff.So normal so nice.But the demon is there wanting me to just get some good ole roxies.I feel him there.I know its up to me to just fight it.And its working.I know if I do a roxie now the stuff in subs will make me sick as hell.The wds was what made me panic in the 1st place.So no way I will do one.I have the ? in my mine do i need to stay on subs so i know i have a weapon of mass destruction to keep me off roxies.If thats the case Id rather stay on them.But I know all of you will advise me not to.Maybe in time the wanting of a roxie will go away.The urge is so strong today and I feel good physically and and some what mentally.I read a post by robert325 that suggested a christain like NA maybe I need that.I dont want to use subs as a weapon against roxies.

Hi Pitt ...... I'm glad to see you started a new thread. The other one will just disappear as no one else posts on it. Don't worry you're not an ass! It's just easy to lose control of our emotions sometimes when we are trying to get clean. You 'll get the best help here that is available anywhere. And there are no hard feelings I promise you.

I just wanted to touch base with you. I'll be cheering you on but this deal is with you and Henry. I will tell you though that when you drop to 6mg that it will be best for you take two doses that are as close to being equal in mgs as you can make them just by eyeballing it. Just break a little piece off the 4mg half pill and and take it with the 2mg quarter pill. Henry will agree I know. He will be along soon when he sees your new thread started. And dose at the same time every day.

If you can get involved in a live support group it will help. You mentioned my talking about something Christian. It could be Celebrate Recovery which is Christian based, NA, AA, a combination or all the above. For right now let's get you on track with your taper and then I think getting involved in recovery would be good for you. NA saved my life after using 35 years.

Henry will be in touch with you throughout your taper. He's a heck of a guy and knows how to do this I assure you. Hang in there and you'll be okay. Good luck to you my friend. God bless.

[pitbulllover67]

Hi Pitt ...... I'm glad to see you started a new thread. The other one will just disappear as no one else posts on it. Don't worry you're not an ass! It's just easy to lose control of our emotions sometimes when we are trying to get clean. You 'll get the best help here that is available anywhere. And there are no hard feelings I promise you.

I just wanted to touch base with you. I'll be cheering you on but this deal is with you and Henry. I will tell you though that when you drop to 6mg that it will be best for you take two doses that are as close to being equal in mgs as you can make them just by eyeballing it. Just break a little piece off the 4mg half pill and and take it with the 2mg quarter pill. Henry will agree I know. He will be along soon when he sees your new thread started. And dose at the same time every day.

If you can get involved in a live support group it will help. You mentioned my talking about something Christian. It could be Celebrate Recovery which is Christian based, NA, AA, a combination or all the above. For right now let's get you on track with your taper and then I think getting involved in recovery would be good for you. NA saved my life after using 35 years.

Henry will be in touch with you throughout your taper. He's a heck of a guy and knows how to do this I assure you. Hang in there and you'll be okay. Good luck to you my friend. God bless.

Great thanks robert325 just want to be sure I do this right.And really a recovery program with likemind people would be very interesting.

[pitbulllover67]

this is day 4 of subs.I feel normal...wish i could get off here.Am I suppose to just feel normal??.

[Robert_325]

this is day 4 of subs.I feel normal...wish i could get off here.Am I suppose to just feel normal??.

Pitt ....... If this is just day four total on subs you are still in opiate detox. The subs are just hiding it. They are an awesome medication when used properly. Don't rush it. I don't want to start telling you what to do as Henry and Melissa are probably out to dinner or something and he will be on shortly. But take your time and do this right. It's very important that you realize the subs are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. But it's very easy to say,"I feel great so I'm going to do this or that." You can end up messing yourself up, going back into w/d and relapsing. Trust me! I've done this a thousand times. And Henry knows this process as well as I do. We cover for each other at times like this. Wait for him and he will tell you the exact same thing as I've said I assure you. You are feeling normal but it initially takes some time to get past the worst of the original opiate detox that you took the subs for. And YES you should be feeling totally normal. The subs are working like they're supposed to. RELAX!!! Don't rush it or you'll regret it I promise. God bless.

[pitbulllover67]

Pitt ....... If this is just day four total on subs you are still in opiate detox. The subs are just hiding it. They are an awesome medication when used properly. Don't rush it. I don't want to start telling you what to do as Henry and Melissa are probably out to dinner or something and he will be on shortly. But take your time and do this right. It's very important that you realize the subs are doing exactly what they are supposed to do. But it's very easy to say,"I feel great so I'm going to do this or that." You can end up messing yourself up, going back into w/d and relapsing. Trust me! I've done this a thousand times. And Henry knows this process as well as I do. We cover for each other at times like this. Wait for him and he will tell you the exact same thing as I've said I assure you. You are feeling normal but it initially takes some time to get past the worst of the original opiate detox that you took the subs for. And YES you should be feeling totally normal. The subs are working like they're supposed to. RELAX!!! Don't rush it or you'll regret it I promise. God bless.

great this is good something that works right.Dont worry already pissed everyboby off.Im here to do right and maybe make a few drug free friends in the end.I will listen because this sub stuff must be ready strong because the roxis i was taking to feel normal was around 6-7 a day.wow im going to do it.I will make it I got all of yall to help and i counted all my subs and I got enough to last for awhile.Hope to flush a few.Thanks man

[Hopewins]

Welcome back!.....I'm in agreement with Robert,You should be getting deeply involved with N/A or C/A(any mind altering substances).Grab some help close to home as well as us.I say this "only" because strong signs of a possible relapse are just jumping out at me,when I read your posts.As we say around these parts" You are not to far removed" from your using history.Do I know this for sure...no,but I do know you are going to need many tools to deal with cravings,feelings and even the forgetting of how much we suffered,only a week ago..and then we are right back using again saying what the hell happened !

For the heavy drinker and or curious minds will power and a hangover may stop them.But for the real addict/alcoholic...we really do need something greater than ourselves to change us.Perhaps you may reconsider staying on the subs. until you gain some ground in meetings etc All the best wishes for you.

[Melissa B]

Hi Pitt,

Glad to see you're getting stable on that dose. Henry and I have been gone all day to Sacramento so we didn't check the forum much today. The weekends are usually pretty busy for us, but he will be along shortly to post. Most likely we will be gone all day tomorrow too because we take care of Henry's dad on Sundays, but he can check on you via his phone.
Sounds like you're feeling much better and things got off on the wrong foot, but I can assure that Henry holds no grudge and just wants to see you get clean and live a happy life so let's move forward and get you clean.

Melissa

[HenryNCBA]

Hey Pitt!
Just got back from putting gas in the car getting ready for tomorrow. Sundays pretty much I take care of my Dad which leaves only Saturday to try and catch up on all personal stuff. Once I figure out how to use my new phone I should be able to get on remotely much easier and better.
Before I start do me and yourself a huge favor. Stop calling yourself an azz alright? No harm done and if you are as thick skinned and hard headed as I am we both know it is going to take a heck of a lot more that what was flung around here to tick either one of us off so no need to think down on yourself. Heck when I was detoxing I used to say all sorts of strange and absurd stuff and when I look back at my notes and stuff I can't believe that was me. I always knew from the beginning that it was mainly the combination of dumping a large amount of subs into your system while the roxies were flushing itself out combined with fear and panic that can make you act erratically. Hence another reason we addicts are viewed as volatile and looked down upon by most of society. We need to better educate them and prove that we are good people and can and WILL be positive contributions to society and much more. With all the experience and knowledge you are gaining and will still gain you will be so far ahead of the average person it won't be funny. You will even know first hand many things even medical professionals won't ever know much less have a clue about just because of the fact you are going through all this and YOU WILL FINISH IT! We both said what we wanted to say so lets move on and get this demon beat and make it history.
Just a quick run down on the math for you to help make things easier. I do this because when I was detoxing I always thought my mind was razor sharp and my reflexes were fast. Only when I got clean did I realize I made a ton of errors and what I thought was efficiency was just the opposite. Man was I wrong!
You are currently at 8 mgs.
We will round down to make this a bit aggressive otherwise you will be trying to measure thousandths of a mg which will be a royal pain unless you have a scientific micro gram scale or lab scale.
This portion of rounding down will be to the next lower .05th until we get down to 1 mgs level.
25% off 8 mgs is 6 mgs which you will take for 4 days then continue to next level.
25% off 6 mgs will be 4.5 mgs which you will take for 4 days then continue to next level.
25% off 4.5 mgs rounded down will be 3.35 mgs. Take for 4 days then continue to next level.
25% off 3.35 mgs rounded down will be 2.5 mgs. Take for 4 ays then continue to next level.
25% off 2.5 mgs rounded down will be 1.85 mgs. Take for 4 days then continue to next level.
25% off 1.85 mgs rounded down will be 1.35 mgs. Take for 4 days then continue to next level.
25% off 1.35 mgs rounded down will be 1.0 mgs. Take for 4 days then continue to next level.
You will be going below 1 mgs after this point so we will include the actual rounded down .0x numbers.
25% off 1 mgs is .75 mgs. Take for 4 days then continue to next level.
25% off .75 mgs rounded down will be .56 mgs. Take for 4 days then continue to next level.
25% off .56 mgs rounded down will be .42 mgs. Take for 4 days then continue to next level.
25% off .42 mgs rounded down will be .31 mgs. Take for 4 days then continue to next level.
25% off .31 mgs rounded down will be .23 mgs. Take for 4 days then continue to next phase.
At this point you are now below .25 mgs which is pretty much considered the point at which you can start skipping days or taper further depending on how you feel. This is your call at this point. If you chose to start skipping days then you take your last dose of .23 mgs at the end of the 4 days then skip one day then dose .23 mgs then skip two days then dose .23 mgs then skip 3 days then dose .23 mgs then skip 4 days then dose .23 mgs then you are done!
I know this is complicated. If you like I can just list it by calendar dates from what day to what day you take what ever and such. Let me know on that one.

You stated that you felt fine and you should feel fine as the roxies is not completely out of your system yet as there are trace elements there and the subs are masking the symptoms so that just means the subs are doing it's job. As I mentioned before subs are darn powerful meds with a strength of 30 to 40 times that of morphine all variables being equal.

Regarding your asking about dosing per day amounts. Most people when on the higher doses seem to do better on twice a day. Usually the first dose being sometime early morning to make up for the longer night time hours. Then the second dose some time between 15:00 and 18:00. You don't want to take it too late in the evening close to bed time as subs can and will mess with your sleep.

Things to remember:
*This is a process not an event.
*Nothing is set in stone and everyone is different.
*We can tweak the program to suite your condition and feelings better.
*Right now we really don't know how you will respond until the Roxie trace elements are completely out of your system and the Subs kick in completely and take hold as you are still in the stabilization period.
*When is doubt do not take more as it only complicates matters. Wait for instructions. If I am not on line and you need an immediate answer and Robert is here you can ask him too. There are many knowledgeable folks on here.
*You will feel something. You actually need to feel something otherwise you have no way to gauge progress and really don't know if it is working or not.
*Subs are not for everyone and you are still in the infancy of this program so we are still monitoring also how Suboxone will affect you.

Hang in there Pitt. I know stress combined with outside factors creates a situation especially when you are working so hard to get clean a fear, depressive, and anxious factor that is only exacerbated.

My best wishes to you and your wife and hope all is well for her.

Henry

[pitbulllover67]

This is great thanks Henry>i printed the #s so I could use this huge United Rentals calendar to scribbed in each dose each day.I will do this day by day and be on here at least once a day to follow up on anything else I need to know.My dealers has left me countless texts but the wife is erasing them.This is great man.And yall good folks cheering me on thanks from the bottom of my heart.Im going to do this.Im trying to slow life down a little.Im taking a few days for me real soon to.Right now im looking at 6mgs of sub.I will do this walk down to road get my newspaper, shower , and the high lite today is my wife in I are headed in my truck cause it has big tires and stuff to farmers market to get some veggies and then of f to my brothers house for a while.This is my time folks.Just the wife and I.Thanks Henry for coming back.

[pitbulllover67]

one more thing,Sucking on 3 mgs now will do the other 3mgs around 3pm as Henry suggested.Off to a beautiful day..

[Robert_325]

one more thing,Sucking on 3 mgs now will do the other 3mgs around 3pm as Henry suggested.Off to a beautiful day..

Have a good day today Pitt! You're going to do fine. I have all the confidence in you! Melinda and I will be off to church soon and will be back this afternoon. Sundays are our day for church for the most part. It's my favorite day! God bless.

[HenryNCBA]

one more thing,Sucking on 3 mgs now will do the other 3mgs around 3pm as Henry suggested.Off to a beautiful day..

Hey Pitt,
You have yourself one kick butt day! There is no magic as this is a plan that if followed just plain simply works. Our part is to be diligent which I know can be hard to do. Man I had to keep myself focused when I went though it myself and it is that addict mind that keeps us trying to waver around. That is those "bad guys" (addiction) I was talking about that is now fighting for their own lives and you are killing them off. Where else can you kill something, feel good about it, is good, morally correct, politically correct, not be prosecuted for it, no one will look down on you doing it, and you can stomp it into the ground as hard as you want! Cool eh?
Man a good farmers market with good produce is hard to beat. Now I'm getting hungry myself.
You and your wife have a great day and I agree that having time for you especially when you are doing the right thing is the beginning of a new natural and healthy high one that is not brought on by drugs and one that addiction only makes you appreciate even more.
Remember that this is just a guideline. We can tweak the program as we move along to suite your needs and there are a few tricks we can use if things get rough. All those are part of the plan to tailor the taper to suite you so no worries ok?
Talk soon buddy!

Henry

[pitbulllover67]

Mr Henry it is still a beautiful day and its late evening.Just to let you the drop was something that I knew I would notice and yeah got like this RLS thru the who body with yawning.But that was ok.Now Im getting like hot in face but thats it.That might be cause I just stuff a huge amount of water melon in my face,lol.Anyway,the dropp Im sure in time will stabilize and get me to the next drop.And that will be thursday.4mgs I cant wait to get to the dust.I dont have to be superman anymore had talks with my son wife and few men at work.Not that I told the men at work Im on a super taper plan.I just had talks today about me being 44 and need to slow down to 55.My guys understood completely.When I need to take care of personal things I will.No one will ever notice I will be downshifting a bit.Anyway,I know you drug free dudes had a great day like me even if the bad guys are here a little.Thanks guys

[cheekysod]

pit your next drop is 4.5mg..... not 4 as you said......

[pitbulllover67]

pit your next drop is 4.5mg..... not 4 as you said......

Im sorry you right cheek I have it right here on my calendar.I refer to that before I dose.But thanks and its great that folks on here pay attention.

[HenryNCBA]

Morning Pitt,
Just checking up on you buddy.
Let me know how you are doing okay?

Henry

[pitbulllover67]

Morning Pitt,
Just checking up on you buddy.
Let me know how you are doing okay?

Henry

All is good just working my butt off dreaming of the weekend.Dropping to 4.5 mgs subs thursday.This stuff is awesome.I really dont know that its there now.Cant wait to drop I was a fool to do opiates and get myself in this mess.Anyway hope all is good and all the folks you helping following you guys plan.Its awesome.Have a good night

[HenryNCBA]

All is good just working my butt off dreaming of the weekend.Dropping to 4.5 mgs subs thursday.This stuff is awesome.I really dont know that its there now.Cant wait to drop I was a fool to do opiates and get myself in this mess.Anyway hope all is good and all the folks you helping following you guys plan.Its awesome.Have a good night

Usually on the higher doses the effects aren't felt so much as the lower and micro doses. Nothing that can't be handled and just more an annoyance that anything else. We all get into opiates for various reasons and believe it or not a great many folks get hooked on them unwillingly. It starts with a simple pain med for dentistry work. helping with pain from an operation, kidney stone, fibro, you name it. First they take them as scripted. Then they take them even though they may not feel the pain because that is what is instructed. Many follow what the bottle says and if it says take 1 ever 4 -6 hours as needed that word "needed" becomes invisible and they just take them every 4 to 6 hours. Then when the pain does set in they have already built up a tolerence so it takes perhaps another pill so they start by occasionally taking 2 at a time instead of 1. That progresses and it just goes downhill from there.
Detox for many also is more of a mental and emotional thing than physical.
You are doing good there buddy. Proud of you!

Henry

[pitbulllover67]

Usually on the higher doses the effects aren't felt so much as the lower and micro doses. Nothing that can't be handled and just more an annoyance that anything else. We all get into opiates for various reasons and believe it or not a great many folks get hooked on them unwillingly. It starts with a simple pain med for dentistry work. helping with pain from an operation, kidney stone, fibro, you name it. First they take them as scripted. Then they take them even though they may not feel the pain because that is what is instructed. Many follow what the bottle says and if it says take 1 ever 4 -6 hours as needed that word "needed" becomes invisible and they just take them every 4 to 6 hours. Then when the pain does set in they have already built up a tolerence so it takes perhaps another pill so they start by occasionally taking 2 at a time instead of 1. That progresses and it just goes downhill from there.
Detox for many also is more of a mental and emotional thing than physical.
You are doing good there buddy. Proud of you!

Henry

Thanks Henry Im headed to bed oh yeah thats been not so good.I wake up thru the night alot now.I do know by reading here thats the last thing to come back.And also some sweats but all is mild stuff.I can do this.Thanks again for coming back and helping me out

[HenryNCBA]

Thanks Henry Im headed to bed oh yeah thats been not so good.I wake up thru the night alot now.I do know by reading here thats the last thing to come back.And also some sweats but all is mild stuff.I can do this.Thanks again for coming back and helping me out

Hey Pitt,
No need to thank me. My thanks will be seeing you live the life you deserve clean and free of this evil ????. We all get goofy at times and I already saw that you were a good person from day one. I don't bother looking at anything superficial as I don't judge a book by it's cover. It is the story inside that I am interested in so with me no matter what happens that may cause tension I just say what I need to say and it is done and over with and we both move on to bigger and better things. Heck after this is all over we may even one day be sitting somewhere having a ice cold one with a fishing pole in our hands laughing about all this. That is the real reward to me. I never gave up on you even though it may have seemed like it and just as you stated sometimes you need to say things to get someones attention I also do things to get the same results. The issue here is to get you clean no matter what. The enemy is addiction. The rest if it is anything negative is not important. Besides I really did have a good laugh out of it and it really did make my day as I thought it was funny as all heck. It worked out for both you and I so that is what counts buddy!
You are correct that sleep is an issue for any opiate detox and will be one of the very last things to straighten itself out. With you though you have a lot on your plate. Running your own business is no easy feat much less taking care of and worrying like crazy about your wife. Holding together family and such then to top it all off the bad economy and just when you think you really don't need anymore headaches the addiction comes around. I would say that would be enough to drive anyone bonkers I know it would me. You still manage to hold it together though and I admire that and can respect that. Quality time for you is what is needed to help put things into perspective and it starts right here by getting rid of this evil stuff. Once that is completed you can focus on the really important things in life that you live for such as your wife, family, career and a happy and healthy life. This is just a knot on a board for your fence with otherwise perfect wood. We need to get rid of this knot in the most efficient and painless way. If I could just use a chain saw I would but that would just make a mess and mess is what you for sure don't need.
Sleep well my friend. Tomorrow will always be a better day as it is one day closer to being free!

Henry

[pitbulllover67]

Hey Pitt,
No need to thank me. My thanks will be seeing you live the life you deserve clean and free of this evil ????. We all get goofy at times and I already saw that you were a good person from day one. I don't bother looking at anything superficial as I don't judge a book by it's cover. It is the story inside that I am interested in so with me no matter what happens that may cause tension I just say what I need to say and it is done and over with and we both move on to bigger and better things. Heck after this is all over we may even one day be sitting somewhere having a ice cold one with a fishing pole in our hands laughing about all this. That is the real reward to me. I never gave up on you even though it may have seemed like it and just as you stated sometimes you need to say things to get someones attention I also do things to get the same results. The issue here is to get you clean no matter what. The enemy is addiction. The rest if it is anything negative is not important. Besides I really did have a good laugh out of it and it really did make my day as I thought it was funny as all heck. It worked out for both you and I so that is what counts buddy!
You are correct that sleep is an issue for any opiate detox and will be one of the very last things to straighten itself out. With you though you have a lot on your plate. Running your own business is no easy feat much less taking care of and worrying like crazy about your wife. Holding together family and such then to top it all off the bad economy and just when you think you really don't need anymore headaches the addiction comes around. I would say that would be enough to drive anyone bonkers I know it would me. You still manage to hold it together though and I admire that and can respect that. Quality time for you is what is needed to help put things into perspective and it starts right here by getting rid of this evil stuff. Once that is completed you can focus on the really important things in life that you live for such as your wife, family, career and a happy and healthy life. This is just a knot on a board for your fence with otherwise perfect wood. We need to get rid of this knot in the most efficient and painless way. If I could just use a chain saw I would but that would just make a mess and mess is what you for sure don't need.
Sleep well my friend. Tomorrow will always be a better day as it is one day closer to being free!

Henry

Thanks Henry.When I get home I go straight to computer to see if someone is cheering me on.And yes the big man on the block was here.Made my evening for sure.Got a drop coming in morning to 4.5.I feel pretty stabilize and ready for it.This is so cool.I still dont see why I got on the evil stuff.Im just as efficent now .I do feel a little more relaxed and thtas what I needed.Anyway,bro thanks for being here helping me and all the people that need you.Hey I got a 40'sport fisher with twin 350s.Very equipped for off shore.Only been a few times this year.Hey one day soon get few of you guys here and lets get a couple buckets chicken and I show you guys how to catch big tuna and maybe get a blue on.Its a thrill that lasts for a life time.Thats life man.Again no matter what you say thanks for coming back and holding my hand.You are a real man thats clean and smart!That keeps the evil ???? away.Already making a difference with me and my wallet.I had a 200 a day habit.What a waste.I stole from myself my wife my kids.What an idiot....Take care be here tomorrowto let you know what happens when I drop again..

[HenryNCBA]

Thanks Henry.When I get home I go straight to computer to see if someone is cheering me on.And yes the big man on the block was here.Made my evening for sure.Got a drop coming in morning to 4.5.I feel pretty stabilize and ready for it.This is so cool.I still dont see why I got on the evil stuff.Im just as efficent now .I do feel a little more relaxed and thtas what I needed.Anyway,bro thanks for being here helping me and all the people that need you.Hey I got a 40'sport fisher with twin 350s.Very equipped for off shore.Only been a few times this year.Hey one day soon get few of you guys here and lets get a couple buckets chicken and I show you guys how to catch big tuna and maybe get a blue on.Its a thrill that lasts for a life time.Thats life man.Again no matter what you say thanks for coming back and holding my hand.You are a real man thats clean and smart!That keeps the evil ???? away.Already making a difference with me and my wallet.I had a 200 a day habit.What a waste.I stole from myself my wife my kids.What an idiot....Take care be here tomorrowto let you know what happens when I drop again..

Alright buddy sounds good. Looking foward to you dropping to 4.5. You just hang in there and all will be well.

Henry

[pitbulllover67]

Alright buddy sounds good. Looking foward to you dropping to 4.5. You just hang in there and all will be well.

Henry

Hey boss question for you.What did the roxis do to my body.I snorted them things for a year.I really havent found anything on here about the affects it has on the body.It came to me today and now Im very concerned.Can you help me there.I really dont feel anythig is wrong with me but what am I to expect in the future.And today the drop was very noticed.But nothing I cant handle so far.Will these dropps eventually make me go into wds.Im not scare anymore.Need more info now.Today I was sweating face hot.hest hurting and coughing.It did get better.I was a little concerned.Seemed like I was coming down with something but the dose at 3 pm help.Talk to me bro.Im ok just please tell me more and what to expect please.Thank you in advanced bro.

[cheekysod]

bro, stop worrying about what the roxis have done to you... its in the past....

i used iv for frikkin years, now i have to have blood samples taken from my feet coz me damn veins ran away and hid in self preservation..., ive had abcesses cut out.... lots of ???? from taking drugs. but theres no use being in a panic about it now..... whats done is done. at worst, youve blown your nose to bits, but you would be able to tell already if that is done....

just do your sub taper, and stop worryin about stuff you cant do nothing about right now anyway....

you shouldnt feel any drops till you get well below 2mg, thats a fact,,, if you do it right... i started on 12mg. and really had no trouble physically, (it was mostly fear, and in my head... i can see that with you.... its mostly in your head) sometimes, we do ACTUALLY get sick, like a cold or flu, and were like, ahhhh i need more pills. or subs. or whatever. dont forget NORMAL people get sick too.... we forget.. lol


hang in there, and dont worry

cheeky

[HenryNCBA]

Hey boss question for you.What did the roxis do to my body.I snorted them things for a year.I really havent found anything on here about the affects it has on the body.It came to me today and now Im very concerned.Can you help me there.I really dont feel anythig is wrong with me but what am I to expect in the future.And today the drop was very noticed.But nothing I cant handle so far.Will these dropps eventually make me go into wds.Im not scare anymore.Need more info now.Today I was sweating face hot.hest hurting and coughing.It did get better.I was a little concerned.Seemed like I was coming down with something but the dose at 3 pm help.Talk to me bro.Im ok just please tell me more and what to expect please.Thank you in advanced bro.

Hey Pitt,
Snorting opiate pain pills can be very corrosive to the lining of your nasal cavity not to mention the finer particulate matter that lodges in your lungs. People snort as you know to get more immediate effects. Various things can happen and it depends on each individual on what may or may not happen. Asthma can develop, infections such as bronchitis, pneumonia, emphysema if taken long enough, high blood pressure, erratic electrical disturbances in heart rhythm, fluid accumulation in the lungs, loss of smell, excessive runny nose, sneezing, cold like symptoms, eye pain and all the rest of the things associated with Roxi use. One thing though that elevates substantially is possible death from snorting. Due to the strength of roxies it has a more immediate effect and this is also an opioid so it does suppress breathing so those that snort prior to bedtime run the risk of not waking up in the morning.
As for the chest pain I can not say what that is. It could be from anxiety because we have a tendency to tighten our chest and breathe shallow when stressed.
The sweating is normal and when I say sweating I mean SWEATING to the point that it can be so bad that it is like waking into a shower then turning around and walking back out. Sweat will dribble off your face, your shirt will be soaked and so on. Usually you start to feel something is not right and coming on. Then a prickly kind of heat type of sensation and it can climb up the back of your neck. Next you will feel warm then realize that your chest is damp. From there it just breaks out. Usually doesn’t last too long with a few minutes up to 10 to 15 minutes being the normal span. It varies person to person. Cold water and a towel is about all you can do for the sweats. If you have several bouts you may want to have cold sports drinks as they will help replace the lost electrolytes and minerals that you lost from the sweating.
I really can’t predict what you will feel exactly and not one can but in general the lower you go in dose the symptoms become more apparent. You have only been on subs a bit over a week so your system is still in the process of stabilizing. It could also be that there are still trace elements of the roxi still floating around in your system and it is clashing with the subs as the subs are taking over. Right about now is about that half life time frame when things start to happen so to speak. Again it varies from person to person on time frame depending on things like metabolism and such.
Most common symptoms you may or may not come across are:
Sweating (Intense)
Aches and pains and can be in the joints and deep bone like pain.
Runny nose and eyes.
Sneezing.
Flu like symptoms
Jitteriness and anxiety.
Depression.
Digestive issues.
Coughing can be on and sneezing.
Intense cravings.
Sleep issues for sure.

There are a host of others but in general these are the common ones.

What we can do is since you dropped today to keep it at 4.5 for 4 days minimum. Lets evaluate how you feel on day 4 at 4.5 and if need be we can stretch it out a day or two more if need be. You just had a large amount of subs abruptly introduced into your system when you were not in moderate to severe withdrawal so the effects can be quite erratic. Stabilization is the key and then taper you down slowly if need be keeping you as stable as much as possible. Expect to feel something though as no taper is symptoms free. We use the feelings of symptoms as a gauge for progress for is you don’t feel a thing there is no way of knowing if it is working or not.

Hang in there buddy you will be alright!

Henry

[pitbulllover67]

Wow all that sounds really bad. I do know my sense of smell is better. Drug addition is so bad. I didn't relize the affects Roxis would have on my body. I feel like an idiot. I'm in good shape for my age and I was actually killing mYself. Well one of my symtons during wds is chest infection I know this for sure because of the symtons. The uncontrollable coughing and chest pain. That's were my wds began when I didn't have any roxis for a few days. I would do a nebulizer treatment and it would ease up. My wds seem like severe broncitis and pnemonia mixed. So my chest gets infected from snorting. I was commiting suicide with every use of drugs. Man I'm glad I came here. You guys are real. So much 411 Dude thanks you probably saved my life. Thanks for overlooking the idiot who gave you so much bs. You know what's up. That's awesome man. You could write a real life story book on the facts of real addition and recovery. Hey then you could do that program where all of us come for a week just to let strees and life go for awhile. I've read many of your posts and remember ths from 1 of them. Hey let me be the bad guys character in your book. Lol I'm sure I could handl that since I was a real life bad guy on this forum. But really all of yall rock. Dopers are goood people off the dope. And I know that's a true statement. Yall just take a look at yourselves. Here to help all of us. Its a wonder Drus. Com doesn't get more public views. Really need folks in need here. Well I've said enough. All have a good evening Thanks henry you the man

[HenryNCBA]

Evening Pitt,

You know the funny thing about many of us addicts is the vast majority of addicts are super great people off the drugs! I can't even begin to count how many stories I read and have also witnessed about how a spouse, girlfriend, boyfriend, significant other used to be and they all follow the same pattern. They got together with them because they were just great people. Then somewhere along the line drugs entered the scene. Whether it was by doctor’s orders, recreations, curiosity, peer pressure what ever substance abuse entered the scene. The rest is the same story/pattern and it is all downhill. I don't view you as a bad guy. Never did as I have seen way too many times people saying things that were just off the wall. I have seen people doing things off the wall. As long as you try to get away from this evil stuff to get clean you can call me what ever you want. The goal is for you to get clean and free from the bonds of addiction and live the life you really want and deserve. You are happy. Your wife and family are happy. Your friends and neighbors are happy. Everyone is happy. I am proud of you and happy too! So calling me names or accusing me of things means nothing and is rather a very very small price to pay for your freedom I think and that is what matters. Someone once asked me what I would do to help them get clean. I said what ever it takes. He said "how about I hit you as hard as I can?" I said "if you want and you promise to quit right at that moment then there is no time like now. Go for it but let me stand on the grass so when I fall I won't bust my head open so go for it. I won't move and give it your best shot but one word of warning. You damn well better quit because if you don't and you actually do hit me I will break every bone in your body slowly so you can remember every crunch, snap and pain". He just laughed and that was it. He did wind up getting clean though. LOL!
Chest (lung) infections are common among those with addictions to certain things. Smokers also. When I used to smoke I would get bronchitis every year and pneumonia once in a while. Since I quit that all stopped. Snorting roxis same thing if you think about it you are putting a powdered chemical into your airway and into your lungs. It lodges in there and some are absorbed and some is not. Those that are not will burn the tissue and cause scaring. Do this enough and the cells mutate and well you can imagine the trouble that starts then. Same thing happens with smoking.
There is no PERSON that is a bad guy and I don’t consider you bad. The so called “bad guy” is addiction. That is where the focus of hate, anger, frustration needs to be directed at not each other. We could pound on each other all day and night long but addiction is still there laughing at us and winning at that. If we gang up against it then it won’t stand a chance. Addiction is one very formidable foe and won’t go down without a serious fight. It fights dirty and will use physical as well as psychological warfare. It will play with your emotions and think of it as guerilla warfare mixed with psyops warfare. There is no truce. There is no compromise. It will take you completely if you give it an inch. We can not yield and addiction is forever patrolling outside the wire and sometimes inside as well so we can never let our guard down ever. It will be a life long struggle but it is much easier to be vigilant when clean.
You already did the major hard part and that is to commit to getting clean. That alone is no easy task as you well know. We all must proceed to kill off our addictions with a controlled process for if we just guess and stab in the dark it just won’t work. You are doing one awesome job there buddy and keep up the great work! Just want to say I am proud of you man for staying committed and going through with this. What ever happened between us is nothing and again a VERY small price to pay for you getting clean. That is what this wonderful place is all about!

Henry

[pitbulllover67]

Hello Henry and eveyone else that is reading my thread.Finally found time to sit back and relax.Its nice that I find my way here so many times.I lurk on evey thread here now.I find so many folks in the same situation as I.Its nice to know Im not alone but sad that sad are all here,well not really.If you are here something good is going on in your life and hopefully its that you to are putting down dope to live a better life.Im so glad im here.Every day I read amazing stories about people just like me and these stories bring so much hope and peace to me.Right now im on Robert325 and Henrys taper plan and so far im doing it.Monday Im down to 3.35 dose of suboxone and started at 8mg dose.I feel pretty decent.Just some sweats,being cold and mostly wish I could sleep 20 hrs.I know that to will come back.Its so nice staying away from the dope.I feel so much better about myself.Everyday I see the maniac I was becoming.Just little things that is different.Not in a hurry anymore.I relax in the shower,relax on my way to work.relax with my employees.Im becoming me again.Not a drug craze fiend.I do think of the dope but refuse to do it.I try to think of something else.I have a degree in Mechanical engineering / drafting and design. I have a autocad program that I have loaded on my computers.I currently drawing a space shuttle that I will animate with the doors open the big arm moving.I will have cameras set up for a tour and so on.This is a project I am doing when times get bad.It clears my mine and keeps me clean.Soon I will have it up so folks can see.I just find life so much more meaningful now then I did on dope.Them days where a blurr.Believe me I got alot accomplish but it wasnt honest.I just know Im proud of myself and for others who choose to get of the dope.There is heros her.There are 2 super heros I like to mention Big Boss man HenryNCBA and Robert325.These dudes seem like they started this forum and have helped many.That got all the bugs out of the taper plan and prescribe to eveyone who comes here.It works and is really painless.there is just some side effect but folks we have been on dope for some years and others not long.BVut its all the same we are dopers.And there will be some pain we will have to go thru.But folks its a walk in the park.Imagine all the things you will be doing when the taper is all over and your clean.Im starting to put $ away just like I buying dope.Cant wait to see what I got after a few months.I want a brand new F350 ford diesel dually.I have a nice one now but I want the total package.So this is going to be a present to me for cleaning myself up and living life clean.Nothing better then giving something to yourself that you deserve.All this is a plan to stay clean and be proud.I cant wait to ride around with my wife in this truck.Its a day by day thing to stay strong.One day soon I will be on here clean clean clean.I just hope it helps many but just one is cool with me.Its worth the struggle people.I see me clean already.I have alot in life to look forward to and to think I was letting a little blue pill ruin it!!!What an idiot.Thanks again Henry man for hanging with me.

[Robert_325]

Pitt ..... You are doing awesome dude! I think giving yourself an F-350 Dually would be an incredible gift for yourself. Get through this and you deserve it! I am not posting daily but I'm reading. Henry has this totally under control. He doesn't need my help. I just wanted to cheer you on a little. Hang in there bro~ God bless.