Down to the Wire..

[Crystalclear651]

I'm in no position for words of wisdom but just wanted u to know how much I appreciate YOUR kind words to me n know ur an amazing mom n person. My prayers are always with you and your family.

[ClassiqueMom]

crystal.. thank you, sweetie! ..

and surfdog.. you're a good guy! you do sooo much here!
may God be with you..

prayers in return for you and yours!
Classique MoM

[ClassiqueMom]

just posting for future reference..

yesterday was first day at .375

son's been dosing twice a day..
(we'd divy up the meds, store each dosage in an empty capsule)

but THIS time, i gave him the .375 in ONE capsule and said:
either dose once a day.. or divy up yourself..

not sure how he did it .. (will ask today) ..
he's been sleeping off and on since 3:30 a.m. and it's now 8 a.m.

1/2 life is 72 hrs.. but he always tells me, that for him it's not..
i'm paying close! attention this time and will post when the 'sniffles' and such start..

thanks! much! for all who care and/or all who are praying..

Classique MoM

p.s. .. anybody? can you comment on this fatique/lead suit thing?
it just doesn't seem to go away! (it's another thing i hope and pray will change
when this is all out of his system).. he's been on the suboxone 1 1/2 yrs.. grrrrrrrr!!!!!

[Strong Desire]

ClassiqueMom,

Thank you so much for posting and giving the update. We all care so much about your family. He's down to the .375mg dose and that is awesome! Tell Mike I said that I am very proud of him.

I think the half-life is UP TO 72 hours Mom. And it may be less for some people as I have read here. Robert would know more about that than I of course. But maybe it doesn't last that long for Mike?? Only thinking here! I'm a beginner and you know that!

Thinking and praying for you guys daily as you know. That will NEVER stop. I hope Mike's pain eases and his spirit rises to the top. And you Mom are one of the strongest women I have ever met. Bless you all.

Big Hugs,
Karen

[ClassiqueMom]

ahhhh karen! thank you! .. really, really! thank you!

his metabolism is sooo high.. thinking that's why he says the half life is shorter for him??

i 'think' he may have taken today's dose wayyy earlier than he was supposed to?? not sure
he's still sleeping..

re: me being strong.. nahhhh... not really... i cry myself to sleep more nights than not
wondering .. how? and how long.. and a hundred other things..

makes our promise of heaven sooooooo much sweeter!!!

okay.. now i'm rambling...

{{hugs}}
-me

[Anonymous]

geez.....
I don't know subs!.....
but i felt the lead suit coming off the fent.....
don't know where that plays in with the subs.
alls i can say is i'm feeling for you!!!!
'course you know that, and that you have my prayers.
hmmmm, i've been thinking about what Robert said about using percs to come off the subs....
i know i took them for about a week coming off the patches.
basically i know NOTHING....
much love...

[Strong Desire]

ahhhh karen! thank you! .. really, really! thank you!

his metabolism is sooo high.. thinking that's why he says the half life is shorter for him??

i 'think' he may have taken today's dose wayyy earlier than he was supposed to?? not sure
he's still sleeping..

re: me being strong.. nahhhh... not really... i cry myself to sleep more nights than not
wondering .. how? and how long.. and a hundred other things..

makes our promise of heaven sooooooo much sweeter!!!

okay.. now i'm rambling...

{{hugs}}
-me

Awwww Mom.....I cry myself to sleep on lots of nights still. Before it was because I was in such a mess with those drugs. But now it's happy tears because I know I'm trying so hard to turn my life around....and I am doing it Mom!

So your tears at night right NOW may be because of the problems going on and rightfully so. But when Mike gets to where you want him so bad to be, your tears at night will be the happy ones too! Think about that for a minute! Blessings on this beautiful Sunday!

Big Hugs,
Karen

[ClassiqueMom]

......basically i know NOTHING....
much love...

thanx for the chuckle, {{sis}} .. yeah! meee tooo!! i know soooo much..and yet! i know nothing!! *LOL*
i get it!!! *L*

[surfdog]

Nothing trumps a mother's love but God's, Mom you hang tight something good is coming for you and Mike Bless you Dog

[Robert_325]

just posting for future reference..

yesterday was first day at .375

son's been dosing twice a day..
(we'd divy up the meds, store each dosage in an empty capsule)

but THIS time, i gave him the .375 in ONE capsule and said:
either dose once a day.. or divy up yourself..

not sure how he did it .. (will ask today) ..
he's been sleeping off and on since 3:30 a.m. and it's now 8 a.m.

1/2 life is 72 hrs.. but he always tells me, that for him it's not..
i'm paying close! attention this time and will post when the 'sniffles' and such start..

thanks! much! for all who care and/or all who are praying..

Classique MoM

p.s. .. anybody? can you comment on this fatique/lead suit thing?
it just doesn't seem to go away! (it's another thing i hope and pray will change
when this is all out of his system).. he's been on the suboxone 1 1/2 yrs.. grrrrrrrr!!!!!

Mom ..... that half life can easily be 36 hours too! I always say up to 72 hours or longer depending on metabolism, activity, fluid intake, lots of variables. So Mike's case could be different as few of us are the same as the next person. He is also getting down to a very low dose where it can get a little tricky. I know some tricks though!

There are times at a dose like this if I can't pull a person out of the "lead suit" I will give them an extra .25mg ONE TIME, then pick back up tomorrow at the regular dose and shoot for four days or so again with nothing extra. Sometimes that little sliver of extra sub picks them up and they move on better. I think that is what I would try first. That lead suit, feeling like you weigh a ton feeling, it's really a drag on a person all the way around and difficult to get past. I have had people take a muscle relaxer at this point like a soma or flexeril for a couple days and that sometimes helps also with making the body feel better. We will get Mike through this I promise. I will stick this out till the end with you!

Going to run outside, still clearing property, trying to make this place look like a park and have some more trees to cut down. Had a WONDERFUL service today, the guys in our church are doing the "Resolution" from the Courageous movie and it was an inspiring morning! God is awesome! Will check in on Mike later today. Let me know if the extra .25mg helps, again, just one dose! If it doesn't I would call the dr tomorrow for a small script of one of the muscle relaxers for the end of this, even if you get only ten pills. We are going to get Mike clean I promise you. The end of the this can be a little tough as long as he has been on them. I'm with you, trust me! God bless.

[ClassiqueMom]

Hi Robert!
gonna be away from computer access for about a day, and didn't want to leave u hanging..
thank you! for your reply, and quick tips ...

to tell the truth.. i reallllyy don't think a little xtra dose of subs will make that much difference..
he's had this 'lead suit' fatique thing for a longgggg longggg time..

in his physical condition (he walks with 2 canes) .. degenerative disc disease and rotated sacroliac joint..
he has not been able to move much.. so, his once beautiful strong body, (muscles) has so deteriorated
that i think that has alot to do with it.. this laying on the sofa, or sitting in the recliner, has been going
on for well over a year now.. he cannot sit.. or stand.. he's always in that old 'african style' stooping/squatting
position to take the pressure off everything.. his dad tried to take him for a motorcycle ride last night..
just to get him out of the house.. and they had to turn around and come home, because his legs were going
numb..

he's never been keen w/muscle relaxers.. says they work the opposite on him????????? *shaking head*

again.. thank you for being there! just knowing you're there if we get in a 'real' jam, means the world
to me.. i know you have sooooooo much on your plate.. & God bless you, richly for that!! if i need you
i'll hollar loud and clear

Like I have mentioned many times before, I run at least 2 miles every single morning outdoors rain or shine, go to the gym 3 days per week, work out at home chasing my 4-year old around and eat very healthy foods. No sugar at all and I watch my sodium and etc, etc. ......... Karen

just like karen posted on another thread, yep! this was my kid! at one time..
i've posted it longgg ago, but i'll post here again..
i'll never forget him at one point saying.. i was once master of my body.. now i am a slave to it! *major sigh*

surfdog, thank you! .. you're one of many here, who i hold close to my heart! God bless you for
your victory of overcoming! AND for allllll the help you so freely give here!

Classique MoM

[ClassiqueMom]

p.s... y'all might be wondering why i even mentioned the 'lead suit' thing, if so much of
how he is feeling can be attributed to muscle loss... i mentioned it, because, i am certain,
or at least have convinced myself, that hopefully! at LEAST 1/3 - 1/2 of his problems
are coming from the long term suboxone use.. wellll... that's what i'm hangin' on to..

[Strong Desire]

Hi Robert!
gonna be away from computer access for about a day, and didn't want to leave u hanging..
thank you! for your reply, and quick tips ...

to tell the truth.. i reallllyy don't think a little xtra dose of subs will make that much difference..
he's had this 'lead suit' fatique thing for a longgggg longggg time..

in his physical condition (he walks with 2 canes) .. degenerative disc disease and rotated sacroliac joint..
he has not been able to move much.. so, his once beautiful strong body, (muscles) has so deteriorated
that i think that has alot to do with it.. this laying on the sofa, or sitting in the recliner, has been going
on for well over a year now.. he cannot sit.. or stand.. he's always in that old 'african style' stooping/squatting
position to take the pressure off everything.. his dad tried to take him for a motorcycle ride last night..
just to get him out of the house.. and they had to turn around and come home, because his legs were going
numb..

he's never been keen w/muscle relaxers.. says they work the opposite on him????????? *shaking head*

again.. thank you for being there! just knowing you're there if we get in a 'real' jam, means the world
to me.. i know you have sooooooo much on your plate.. & God bless you, richly for that!! if i need you
i'll hollar loud and clear



just like karen posted on another thread, yep! this was my kid! at one time..
i've posted it longgg ago, but i'll post here again..
i'll never forget him at one point saying.. i was once master of my body.. now i am a slave to it! *major sigh*

surfdog, thank you! .. you're one of many here, who i hold close to my heart! God bless you for
your victory of overcoming! AND for allllll the help you so freely give here!

Classique MoM

ClassiqueMom,

Just a very simple BLESS YOU! I will continue to think and PRAY for your family through these tough times.

I LOVE you Mom,
Karen

[Robert_325]

p.s... y'all might be wondering why i even mentioned the 'lead suit' thing, if so much of
how he is feeling can be attributed to muscle loss... i mentioned it, because, i am certain,
or at least have convinced myself, that hopefully! at LEAST 1/3 - 1/2 of his problems
are coming from the long term suboxone use.. wellll... that's what i'm hangin' on to..

I agree that is a certain possibility. Only way we'll know is for him to get clean and assess his actual pain at that time. I know that's what you're trying to do. God bless.

[ClassiqueMom]

real quick update here..

THIS drop was 25% (not the usual 12.5%) and he managed okay!!

something 'switched on.. or maybe off', in his mind/heart
and he said, he's gotta get his body well.. (nourishment wise)

we've been juicing for him.. high quality protein drinks.. ovaltine..
montmorency cherry juice (good for inflammation and melatonin)
(supposed to drink an ounce a day.. but he will triple or quadruple that!!!)

anyhow.. this time, this drop.. i did not see him 'suffer' from the symptoms
as in the past times..

alllll of this, has made SOME! difference..

PLUS!! i also know, that the many 'xtra' prayers that sooo many of you have
said, has played the biggest role in this drop! God Bless each and everyone of you!!

gonna stay at the .375 for 'bout another 4 days..

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surfdog! .. i was away from my puter for a little bit .. but! i did
have my (used, 2nd hand, old 2nd generation kindle that i just bot on ebay)
.. it's got an 'experimental browser' on it.. and was able to read a couple of posts..

couldn't help but think of you! .. i'm guessing you might have a newer kindle version
where you can actually get around this site.. me?? arghhh!! i was like one of those
little crazy mice in a maze!!

know that i think of you often.. and say a prayer for your good health!
and God bless you! for managing to post on your kindle *LOL* !!

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gonna get away for a couple of days.. celebrating 37 year married..
44 'together' .. i'd say that's quite an accomplishment these days!
(amazingly i was only 12 & hubby only 16, when we first started 'going together')
sooo.. we've got much to celebrate and be thankful for!
i attest to the truth.. with God, all things are possible!
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Robert, .. my heart did a quick excited 'pit-a-pat' & prayer of thanksgiving
for those guy's doin' the courageous resolution.. if EVER there was a time, where
it was MOST needed, (and will be most difficult), it is now.. May God give each
of those men what they need, at the moment they most need it!

you're allll in my thoughts and prayers!
gotta go crush, divy and package the next weeks dosage..
grrrrrr... i hate! this stuff!

alllll my best, and prayers! too!
Classique MoM

[Robert_325]

Mom ..... congratulations on your anniversary! That is an amazing accomplishment and I'm happy for your son's recent success as well. often this taper process turns for the better all of a sudden. Will keep you guys in my prayers! God bless.

[Crystalclear651]

Happy anniversary that's such great news! Hope you have an amazing time together. Also happy to hear mike is doing good with this new dosage, that's a huge milestone too. Enjoy some time off, have fun!! Big hugs n prayers to you all.
Crystal

[ClassiqueMom]

wellll... i'm not in the mood to update this.. but.. as they say.. no time like the present.. *sigh*

kid went to dentist appt, because he had a root canal a couple of months ago..
lots of trouble with it.. and a number of return trips.. never got it fixed right
(guess this is the price you pay with state assisted insurance) .. don't get me wrong..
i'm thankful for that (state assisted insurance) but.. we all know ya don't get the best, and
often, not even 'good care' with that..

wellll... problems from the root canal continued.. large bubble kept filling up on his gum..

finally went back (again) yesterday, after a couple of months of 'dealing with it'

he called.. said.. car's broke down.. hubby went to get him, and try to get car going..
to no avail.. had to have it towed home..

then i get the 'dr.' report.. 3 bad teeth.. (including the root canal one) all need pulled!

i've read 'this scenerio' numerous times on here.. soo.. not much surprised that 'we' find
ourselves here..

he's gotta take antibiotics and then have them out..

please! let me rant a moment here..
here's a link to patient reviews of the surgeon they WERE sending him to..
(NOT if i have anything to say about it!)

on second thought.. this link may not be allowed and get edited by mods..
so, if you don't mind.. i'll just put a few of them here:
this is just 3 out of about 15 reviews.. the LAST one.. welll take a look-see

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Worst experience ever that landed me 4 days in hospital nightmare that could have killed me and the many trips to his office before E.R and after my procedure he would not listen to me or fully check my mouth out. DON'T ever go to him. I want to sue him for the missed work, pain and suffering and medical bills from hospital stay. Should have left when I heard the lady screaming from the waiting room.

*****
Most of the people on this page are right he has terrible manners to call himself a professional. My dentist sent me there for some work the biggest mistake of my life. He never even took xrays of my mouth to see if the work recommended was needed or not. I have been living a total nightmare since my last visit there. I have lost alot of weight in a short period of time because I can no longer eat properly. Swallowing liquid is even painful my life has been ruined. Be smart do not go there. And from my experience it does not matter if you are on medicad or paying cash you are still not treated with respect. He is unethical. I am or was in the healhcare field until this all took place and I would have been fired if I acted like him. Thoose people that have suggested that his license needs to be revoked are right so things like this do not have to happen to anyone else.

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I used to work there and I wish I could figure out how to have his license revoked. Dr. D--- doesn't wash his hands when he enters your room or after he uses the bathroom. Trust me, never once have we replaced the soap in the patients rooms.

He doesn't wait for you to get numb, most patients using iv sedation scream and kick during their procedures and have to be held down by more than one staff member.

He has the lab assistants wash, sterilize and reuse suture needles, which you aren't supposed to do. He also uses 1 IV sedation bag for 2-4 patients. They aren't given enough medicine, which is why he instructs the staff to lock the door to the back as the patient screams and kicks.

He sees 95% welfare patients that don't have any other options for oral surgeons and go to him for vicodin and then skip out on their surgeries only to come back a week later for more vicodin. He is only in this for the money but if you have regular insurance or pay cash, he moves you to the front of the line and treats you like you are his best friend. Everyone else is treated like dirt. If you have options, don't go here.

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anyhow........ i've had my share of teeth pulled, and know it's NOT pretty!!
can't imagine how mike would manage without pain meds thru this..
(tho, i know some have, and God bless 'em)

am thankful we got him wayyy down on the subs before this came about..
he SHOULD be dropping to .25mg in a day or two..

remember? not long ago, he wanted to transition from subs to vics???
ha! that MAY be how this goes..

and of course! dad & i WILL hold those pain meds, and hand them out
according to dr. instruction..

i dunno?? is this a vicious circle.. or a blessing in disguise???

the saga continues.. no car.. no money.. dental problems.. and most likely a script for vics.. OY VEY!!!

Classique MoM..

btw.. REID, if you're reading this..
i 'LIKED' one of your long ago posts yesterday.. (you probably got notice of it)

wish you knew, how my reading of it (timing)..
AND what you wrote, helped to hold me up thru this lil turn of events.. thank you! and God Bless You!

[Anonymous]

Well Mom.......
Been thinking about this post....
I keep going back to how debilitated your son is physically in my mind, you said from lack of using his muscles?
just makes me sad for you and yours.
Somehow in my mind, i'm wondering.......what will work best for him? I did google his problems and they are real, i wish i had an answer for you. i know pain pills always just go up and up until eventually you have to go off.......
any rehab available for him other than the "drive by"?

ok.....have to say this....wasn't it Reid who PULLED HIS OWN TOOTH WITH PLIERS WITH NOT EVEN AN ASPIRIN???? lOL.....

take care,
Marian

[toni.s.]

hey mom,
i don't know what to say.
but i wanted to drop by and offer my support.
you and ur son will be in my prayers..

[Anonymous]

Well Mom.......
Been thinking about this post....
I keep going back to how debilitated your son is physically in my mind, you said from lack of using his muscles?
just makes me sad for you and yours.
Somehow in my mind, i'm wondering.......what will work best for him? I did google his problems and they are real, i wish i had an answer for you. i know pain pills always just go up and up until eventually you have to go off.......
any rehab available for him other than the "drive by"?

ok.....have to say this....wasn't it Reid who PULLED HIS OWN TOOTH WITH PLIERS WITH NOT EVEN AN ASPIRIN???? lOL.....

take care,Marian

That was actually Denny D.

Unfortunately, I don't know what the best scenario is but as always, you have my best wishes!!!

[caughtagain]

Thanks MOM... I am glad that helped you. When I got the notice of the "like" I clicked over and read that and it made me remember that time again..It was one of the worst times in my life to that point (sadly that was the begining). That, for me was one good thing that came out of the dark period of that time. I was always very private with that and only changed my mind after a few read it (my uncle being one). In any event...thanks for the thumbs up. Reid

[Robert_325]

That was actually Denny D.

Unfortunately, I don't know what the best scenario is but as always, you have my best wishes!!!

I don't like to question what anyone attests to, but personally having had five knee surgeries and speaking from personal experience, Denny also supposedly had NUMEROUS complicated knee operations without a single pain med. I know that is something I could never have done as my knee surgeries were REALLY painful. I HAD to have pain medication and I ain't no wimp. I have to question people who say they pull their own teeth with pliers! Not saying he didn't do it, but he is a lot better man than me if he could do that. LOL Besides the infection if the tooth was as bad as he described would have drained down his throat and could have easily killed him. Just sayin ...... to God be the glory! However knee operations and pulling teeth with pliers hurt! God bless.

[caughtagain]

meh.... i bet he could do it... Me? I had five operations on my ankle WITH NOTHING! I WAS AWAKE!!!! NO PAIN MEDS. So Fooey Robert! Roxie said she had her PAW operated on... NOTHING, No PAIN MEDS.....

[surfdog]

Mom I don't know what to say other than I'm sorry you are having to got through this,you and yours have my prayers dog

[Robert_325]

meh.... i bet he could do it... Me? I had five operations on my ankle WITH NOTHING! I WAS AWAKE!!!! NO PAIN MEDS. So Fooey Robert! Roxie said she had her PAW operated on... NOTHING, No PAIN MEDS.....

Reid ..... I don't believe Roxie either! Little wimp dog went to the vet to get her rabies shot and was squealing and bit the vet! I can see Denny biting the dr while he was cutting on those knees too!

[caughtagain]

WADDUP DAWG.... HOW are things.

[surfdog]

Things going pretty good finally got the side effects of the meds staightened out BIG rlief. Trying to stay out of this heat. I've never seen it this hot! 108 sat and Sun cooled off to 98 yesterday lol trying to get moved in to the new house but can only go about a 1/2 day then have to quit just too hot.
Pulling teeth and surgeries without anything ya'll some bad folks, real brass lol Dog

[ClassiqueMom]

hey surfdog.. thanx! yours and all the other prayers! always count for more than i can express!

btw.. left you a little msg, a few posts up:

http://www.drugs.com/forum/need-talk...tml#post369276

glad you're doin' better.. God Bless you! moving in this heat! arghh!

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marian.. i know.. i know.. the cunundrum re: the pain pills..
we'll see how this goes.. i mean, we're not a pharmacy.. and
don't have an endless supply, ya know?

will, of course, keep you posted! .. thanx for the prayers!
you know you and yours are in mine! God bless you, sis!!
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thanx too, to bluey, reid, & toni & of course, robert!!
this, too, shall pass... right?

[toni.s.]

RIGHT!
we love u mom...