DDAVE's SUB THREAD

[caughtagain]

There you go Dave. We are all rooting for you!... All my best, Reid

[DDAVE45]

thank u reid.....still feeling good ...day 3 no subs.......went for a run today and hit the gym....so far so good

[DDAVE45]

day 4 no subs...........still no withdrawls, its almost too good to be true. I didnt expect to have major issues but i did expect to have some trouble sleeping and maybe some restless legs....but so far no problems at all. I did taper down to basically nothing...but these subs are so powerful that i didnt know what to expect.
It feels so good not worrying about taking subs.....it feels like such a heavy weight has been lifted off my shoulders. Hopefully my experience will motivate or help someone else.

[caughtagain]

Good to hear Dave! Keep us posted on how things go for you.

[Robert_325]

day 4 no subs...........still no withdrawls, its almost too good to be true. I didnt expect to have major issues but i did expect to have some trouble sleeping and maybe some restless legs....but so far no problems at all. I did taper down to basically nothing...but these subs are so powerful that i didnt know what to expect.
It feels so good not worrying about taking subs.....it feels like such a heavy weight has been lifted off my shoulders. Hopefully my experience will motivate or help someone else.

Dave ..... trying to get my computer up and going again. Just rebuilt it. I will have it done tonight and will be here for you! Glad to hear you've done so well. If you taper properly it's not that bad as you have seen. Congrats! God bless.

[DDAVE45]

thanks for ur support robert.......day 5 no subs....still no major issues other than a few wierd dreams about missin my dose

[Robert_325]

thanks for ur support robert.......day 5 no subs....still no major issues other than a few wierd dreams about missin my dose

Now is when you really have to be vigilant. It's so easy to succumb to temptation. Just don't use for today and tomorrow will take care of itself. Proud of you my friend! And a BIG congratulations on being clean! God bless.

[DDAVE45]

thanx again.....its just hard for me to believe that it would be this easy...i've read and heard about people really having a hard time coming off of these....i dont wanna jinx myself because i know this is only my 5th day. Hopefully it stays this way, cause i can honestly say that i havent suffered one bit.

[fedupnow]

thanx again.....its just hard for me to believe that it would be this easy...i've read and heard about people really having a hard time coming off of these....i dont wanna jinx myself because i know this is only my 5th day. Hopefully it stays this way, cause i can honestly say that i havent suffered one bit.

Hey DDAVE45 your doing great! Sub's are unpredictable and some people do real well and others not so much.. I pretty much think you have this in the bag.. Good for you

If you don't mind me asking, how much did you taper down? what dose did you make the jump off? Also did you have minor WD thru your taper?

[DDAVE45]

this is what i did........i would take a 2 mg film strip and cut it in half wit a razor. Take one of the 1mg film strips and cut that in half....and from there i would keep halving it till i got to what i wanted. At the end these pieces were so small that i had to pick them up with the tip of the razor and put it in my mouth with the razor (obviously i would be careful when doing this). I jumped at .0039.
I did have minor w/d when i started getting down that low. Its really hard to be consistant when the pieces u are cutting are so small, but if done right and organized then it becomes a lot easier. Just to give u an idea of how long i did this ....i think i was at .125 like 3 months ago....so i did go pretty slow. hope that helps any other questions please feel free to ask

[sjan17]

this is what i did........i would take a 2 mg film strip and cut it in half wit a razor. Take one of the 1mg film strips and cut that in half....and from there i would keep halving it till i got to what i wanted. At the end these pieces were so small that i had to pick them up with the tip of the razor and put it in my mouth with the razor (obviously i would be careful when doing this). I jumped at .0039.
I did have minor w/d when i started getting down that low. Its really hard to be consistant when the pieces u are cutting are so small, but if done right and organized then it becomes a lot easier. Just to give u an idea of how long i did this ....i think i was at .125 like 3 months ago....so i did go pretty slow. hope that helps any other questions please feel free to ask

I'm frustrated as I don't know how long should I stay at the stablized point of 2mg (split 2x/day)? I've been doing this 2 weeks at this dose. When I try to do the 25% reduction, I get w/d's,(1 eye keeps twitching, swelled up legs/feet & the head gets hot and I start sweating big time). I posted yesterday titled "having trouble tapering". This is the part I'm confused about. How long to stay at the dose at works where you are comfortable. Like I said, when I tried to go to 1.5mgs, got w/d's so I went back to 2mgs. Do I just randomly try again after a couple of weeks and if it works, just stay there for at least 4 days before continuing to taper at 25%? Please help me....thank you....

[Robert_325]

Check your other thread. I just replied. Sorry I missed you yesterday.

[DDAVE45]

sjan17.......to tell you the truth, the only w/d i am familar with are trouble sleeping and restless legs...i never had trouble with swelling and twitching eyes......and subs were the only med i was taking....are you taking any other medications with the subs? ....i can only tell you what i did and that was a 20% reduction every week ...but that was only when i was where u are now....once i got down to .125 i went a lot slower. 2 mgs of suboxone is a lot, believe it or not.......but if i were you i would ask for Robert_325 to guide you through the taper and once you get down low enough you might wanna try what i did.

[DDAVE45]

day 6 no subs......still no issues ....i think im gonna flush the rest of my subs down the toilet today

[Robert_325]

day 6 no subs......still no issues ....i think im gonna flush the rest of my subs down the toilet today

Dave .... If you've made it six days without any issues you are clean and done my friend! Proud of you! You have a whole new life waiting for you. Let me know if you need anything, but I say you're done!

Just remember to be vigilant of any temptations thinking you can use just one. Remember you're a pickle now just like the rest of us and you can never be a cucumber again! Congratulations! God bless.

[korbon]

Congrats on not having a lot of trouble going through WD coming off.

I've been doing anywhere from .5-1mg Suboxone a day for the past year. On several occasions I've gotten myself down to doing pieces about the size of a pinhead once a day, and gone 3 days without taking any without any real WD symptoms, but always end up starting again.

[sjan17]

sjan17.......to tell you the truth, the only w/d i am familar with are trouble sleeping and restless legs...i never had trouble with swelling and twitching eyes......and subs were the only med i was taking....are you taking any other medications with the subs? ....i can only tell you what i did and that was a 20% reduction every week ...but that was only when i was where u are now....once i got down to .125 i went a lot slower. 2 mgs of suboxone is a lot, believe it or not.......but if i were you i would ask for Robert_325 to guide you through the taper and once you get down low enough you might wanna try what i did.

Hi DDAVE45,
Thanks for your input. Yeah, Robert thinks I should just reduce by 15% as I was having trouble at 25% taper. I do have high blood pressure so I take lorsartan for that and have been for 3 years or so. The swelling is probably from that, but it's just more prevalent know that I'm not taking any pills. The eye twitching goes right away once I take the subs so I know that is one of my withdrawals. The worse w/d for me however, is the feeling inside and the sweats along with the heat that flushes over my face and neck. Didn't you ever get the sweats and feel hot heat coming on? Can you share with me how long did you stay at 2mg's and when can you be detailed about how long you stayed on each 20% taper from there. For instance .125 for 5 days, .1 for what 4 days? Man, I don't see how you could cut any smaller...I guess you weren't kidding when you talk about needing to use tweezers to pick it up. Really, .0039...can that make a difference?
I'm really stupid about not knowing how long to stay at this 2mgs a day dosage (1mg 2x/day) that's why I interested to know how long people stay at this dosage. I don't want to rush this if it's not right too. This is only my 3rd week on subs so I've been at 2mgs I'd say since the 4th day - kinda like my stable point with minor w/d until I take it.

Good for you and so proud of you. We all want to be where you are...please come back and share with us how it's going for you..the joys of being free...it will be so inspiring.

[DDAVE45]

thanx again robert.....i think ur right about me being in the clear, i was so hung up on thinking about w/d that i never thought that there would be none. Def feels good though to finally be officially clean after being on subs for about 3 years. I hope people will read this thread and see that it is possible to do this without suffering.

[Robert_325]

thanx again robert.....i think ur right about me being in the clear, i was so hung up on thinking about w/d that i never thought that there would be none. Def feels good though to finally be officially clean after being on subs for about 3 years. I hope people will read this thread and see that it is possible to do this without suffering.

Why don't you post around on the forum and tell others about your success. It would help lots of people. Proud of you! God bless.

[DDAVE45]

thanx Korbon......why would u go back if u've gotten to 3 days with no w/d? i dont understand that.
SJAN17.....i was at 2 mgs for awhile....i would say like 2 months. I was taking subs for almost 3 years, so it has taken me a long time to get off. I wasnt trying to get off though either...just this past year i decided i didnt want to keep taking this stuff and i found this forumn. Once i started weaning i took the 2 mg strip....cut it in half ..cut one of the 1mg in half (.5 and .5) take one of the .5 and cut that into 4 equal strips so i had four .125 strips. I used a razor to be as accurate as possible. Once i had those small pieces i was reducing myself by .125 or sometimes .1875. And there were nites that i weaned down and couldnt sleep but after a day or two i was stabalized and was fine again. Once i got down to 1 mg. i used that same process but went a lot slower....i wasnt dropping every week....it was more like every 3 weeks or so. I remember a few months ago i tried dropping from .5 to .25 and couldnt sleep or sit still, my legs would ache and i couldnt get comfortable....so just becareful not to drop by more that 25%.......hope that was detailed enough for ya any other questions feel free to ask

[korbon]

thanx Korbon......why would u go back if u've gotten to 3 days with no w/d? i dont understand that.

Mostly out of sheer habit, boredom and being a pill freak. I deal with fatigue from a liver condition and it gives me a little energy boost too.

I stopped going to the doctor months ago and am doing pills I had left over so before long I'm going to have to stop one way or another, I'd just as soon it be on my terms. I've gotten down to doing what look like ridiculously small pieces of crumbs for several days and if anything only feel what might lead into some RLS later on, but I usually feel remarkably well on the 3rd day without taking anything. I had gone 3 days earlier this week and felt great, but ended up doing about 1mg anyway.

I'll have to flush any I have left before I'll be able to stop and I find that hard to do not knowing if I'm going to experience WD later on into it and regret doing so. One 8mg Suboxone tab lasts me over a week, and I've still got 18 or so left, so this could drag out a long time if I let it. I realize the longer I go the worse it's going to be. I thought if I got around people who were actually stopping it might help.

[korbon]

After thinking about it for a bit, I think I need to structure the way I'm going about it so I have goals and objectives to work toward. Right now I'm not doing the same amount each day and not working a real taper.

I've tapered off Methadone so I'll try to come up with a plan and start crushing up pills sections so I can measure out how much I'm really doing..

[DDAVE45]

Having a structured taper plan is the most important factor. You cant skip around on ur dose....u have to be consistant. You might think that 8 mgs lasting you a week is good....and im not saying it isnt, but to me its still a lot. I had the 2mg film strips which made tapering a hell of a lot easier, but 1 mg would last me a month. You seem to be on the right track though by trying to set up a structured taper plan.

[DDAVE45]

day 8 no subs.......still feelin good ...i think its safe to say that im in the clear

[Robert_325]

After thinking about it for a bit, I think I need to structure the way I'm going about it so I have goals and objectives to work toward. Right now I'm not doing the same amount each day and not working a real taper.

I've tapered off Methadone so I'll try to come up with a plan and start crushing up pills sections so I can measure out how much I'm really doing..

korbon ........ Not judging anyone or trying to be a wise guy. I am very serious. You've got 18 or so subs left you said so "this could drag out a long time if I let it. I realize the longer I go the worse it's going to be. I thought if I got around people who were actually stopping it might help."

Why not taper off them like everyone else is doing as long as you are here and throw the rest down the toilet when you finish? What would you do if you had 200 subs left? Would you finish those off and stay on them for years? Just a thought for you. It's your life, but you're hanging onto a reservation with all those subs, and a reservation is just a big relapse waiting to happen. That is a fact!

You say that you need a plan to taper. Reduce your dose by 25% every four days. That has worked for at least a thousand people right here on this forum myself included. And it led me to almost ten years clean now and lots of others here are putting years together too!

I'm all for you, just trying to point out the obvious. You're here with a bunch of people trying to get clean. Why not join in? You would be so proud of yourself and your life would be so much better with that garbage out of your system. God bless.

[korbon]

What would you do if you had 200 subs left? Would you finish those off and stay on them for years?

Probably so. 1 pill last me a week so that's almost 4 years worth.

It's been a positive experience overall for me and has allowed me to live life without fixating on pills 24/7 for the first time in 15 years, but if I wanted to stay on them forever I wouldn't have stopped going to the doctor. I think it's been long enough now that I can do without them.

I have started a serious taper and a thread about it. I only did .5mg today and if I don't feel any worse tomorrow than I do now will most likely be able to stop within a week. I've already been on a low dose for the past year and as recently as last week went 3 days without dosing so I don't think I'll have a problem coming off. Once I've gone a few days without dosing and see that I'm not going to need to taper any longer I'll flush the ones I have left and be done with it.

[korbon]

Just so you don't get the wrong idea, I've been an addict for 42 years. I needed to take things as slowly as I have to give myself a chance to stay off opiates for a while and get my life together. The last year has been easy time for me.

[DDAVE45]

korbon.....thats great that you've turned your life around after 42 years of opiate abuse. Trust me, subs have helped me turn my life around too.....but the subs are an opiate too and are a lot stronger than morphine. Thats why they are supposed to be used as a tool to get clean , not a crutch (which many of us use them as). If you feel like your not ready to get off ....than stay on them. Only you will know when your ready.

[DDAVE45]

day 10 no subs...........never felt better

[xoluv2groomxo]

Hi.. I am new to this posting thing so I hope Im doing it right but I was just wondering ..I just started taking Sub. almost 3 weeks ago comming off of Methadone.. should I stop the Sub. Will I have bad withdrawls from that also??