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    I am so wanting to kick these fentanyl patches to the curb,its has been way to long,they no longer work and i am not going any higher in dosage,i refuse to.I have been on them for way over a year now,and am not looking forward to the awful withdrawls that come from them.Im one to just get it over with,so can i safely jump off of these without ending up in the hospital,i plan on wearing a patch and leaving it on for as long as i can,or pull one off and wait a long time and then keep doing that to slowly get most of the fentanyl out of my system.I only can get the patch that has the fluids in it,so that doesnt help much either.Im just trying to come up with a solid plan to ease the w/d as much as possible,have to take care of my wife,she is a paralyzed from waist down and has been in a wheelchair for 23 years.If it wasnt for that i would jump off the patch and deal with it cold turkey.Is there still any people here with some solid info on the easiest way to come off these patches?,and still be able to get things done.I cannot afford the subs and all,scared to death over the w/d,im sure alot of us are,right.Any comments will be greatly appreciated.-Timmy-

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    Timmy .... the subs are your best shot. Fentanyl w/d is horrific. Remember this about subs. Most sub drs don't know how to properly use them and they have you on them for way too long and at way too high of a dose, hence the huge expense.

    Look around the forum at the way I have inducted people on subs for years. Where a sub dr will tell you to take 16mg, 24mg or more a day, I induct people at 2-3mg usually and I never have to go over 4mg, at least HARDLY ever. So the expense is not that bad if you get the subutex generic buprenorphine and let me induct you and walk you through this. The cost is a mere fraction of what you would be looking at going through conventional methods with a sub dr.

    There are success stories across the forum backing up what I'm telling you. Think about this. Jumping off Fentanyl, even tapering off them, is a nightmare. I don't think the drs should even be allowed to prescribe them to anyone unless the patient is terminal. Those patches just suck the life out of you. Here is the link the sub therapy process I used for myself years ago and have shared here for years. I really suggest you reconsider this option. Pay close attention to the INDUCTION section of the link and let me know if I can help you. God bless.

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    Thank you very much Robert for your quick reply,i will look into this and see around how much money and all i can get together and do some more reading here at this forum.No doubt,you have helped a lot of people and you know what you are doing,God Bless,you have saved alot of people.
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    marian (shadowwally) and radrus are two i know who have
    experience with getting off the patches..

    just wanted to throw that out there in case you want to check out
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    i know you can certainly trust robert..

    alllll my best!
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    Well,my primary care doctor isnt going to be any help,she said she has no experience with the subs and all,so there isnt anyway i can come up with the money to go to a specialist,i have a real bacic type of insurance that doesnt cover much,they dont even cover the subs i would need to get.I dont work and we try to get by on my wifes ssi,which isnt much at all.It looks like i will be going through withdrawls from hell when i plan this all out,its going to be tough,we have no family support or anything.I will check out the other post ClassiqueMOM posted,whew,this is getting tough already.Oh,i did come up with a few 8mg of suboxen that a friend had leftover,but i know that isnt enough,maybe i will put the word out,you never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minivin View Post
    Well,my primary care doctor isnt going to be any help,she said she has no experience with the subs and all,so there isnt anyway i can come up with the money to go to a specialist,i have a real bacic type of insurance that doesnt cover much,they dont even cover the subs i would need to get.I dont work and we try to get by on my wifes ssi,which isnt much at all.It looks like i will be going through withdrawls from hell when i plan this all out,its going to be tough,we have no family support or anything.I will check out the other post ClassiqueMOM posted,whew,this is getting tough already.Oh,i did come up with a few 8mg of suboxen that a friend had leftover,but i know that isnt enough,maybe i will put the word out,you never know.
    Hello Timmy and welcome to the forum,
    Listen to Robert he knows what he is talking about. He is 100% correct when he stated most doctors don’t know what they are talking about when it comes to subs and tapers. Even my own doctor wanted to start me off at 32 mgs of which it was the 8mg tablets 4 times a day. Even though at that time I knew nothing of subs even I thought that a bit too much so started myself on 16 mgs and I can tell you that I felt awful! Thankfully I stumbled across this forum and long story short is Robert inducted me at, you are going to love this I sure did. Only 1.25mgs total per day!!! FAR SHORT of what any doctor or medical professional will recommend. Their knowledge of subs and the proper usage all that knowledge, education and statistical data are all provided by the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the medications and that alone tells any intelligent person that it is all about marketing and money. It is a huge cash cow for them to keep patients on high doses of subs for a long time. Many doctors in fact tell their patients that they have to be on them for life. Others will tell you ridiculous stories of it takes years to taper and any quick taper will make the person relapse for sure. That is pure horse road apples. Anyone that is going to relapse is going to relapse and it doesn’t matter how fast or long the taper took. Even cold turkey people relapse so the doctor’s words don’t hold water. I was one of the ones that listened to every word that a total stranger at the time gave me. Robert was a man that took his time and effort to help me come clean so the very least I could do was to not waste his time and efforts by doing what many do and that is to not pay attention and take it for granted then start doing things on my own. That all leads to trouble. Since I have come clean I myself have also helped many countless people now taper and come clean themselves and have been studying and researching subs and their usage along with opiate addiction and everything related to this field intensely and I can say for certain that this program that Robert has written is in plain simple yet concise English and best of all it works. Subs is not for everyone and no one size shoe fits all but having worked with it long enough you can begin to see very specific patterns and traits develop and this is how things are pin pointed. Done correctly you don’t need a huge amount of subs to successfully taper. My insurance would not cover subutex which is actually cheaper and the insurance company doctor told my doctor that I must use Suboxone even though I had a negative reaction to the Naloxone in the Suboxone and this was in writing so that tells you that insurance companies, pharmaceutical marketing and ignorant medical professionals are all about making lots of money at your expense.
    If you chose to go through with this follow Robert’s recommendations to the letter. Cross every “t” and dot every “I” and follow everything closely. This is for your benefit not his and the closer you follow his guidance the more you will benefit. I breezed through this and I won’t say it was a walk in the park but it wasn’t anything I couldn’t handle and I was fully functional and didn’t miss a day of work. I started my induction and taper in last September of 2009 and on November 11, 2009 I was clean. Since then I have had many opportunities to take opiate medications and even had them in my hands and fully accessible but had no desire to go through what I did again nor did I even crave it. I was just so fed up and disgusted with them and myself it was easier to ignore for me. I also pushed myself to get through this which accounts for how fast I completed this and also the symptoms I felt all of which you or anyone else may or may not feel as everyone is different.
    I agree with Robert that getting off fentanyl patches is tough. I hate those things with a passion. Little ones or the larger sized ones I don’t care I hate them. I also had the patches with the gel like substance but then I was pretty much abusing all sorts of opiates from Vics, norcs, percs, patches, liquid morphine, even hydromet syrup which I think is the one that actually did me in and got me hooked and badly at that. If you do the induction right you won’t need a lot of subs to get you stabilized. Remember that doctors will put you on the highest dosage for the longest amount of time they individually think is correct. If you ask 10 different sub doctors you will get 10 different and highly varied answers. The more you ask the wider the variety of answers. That tells you there is no so called industry standard and they are all shooting in the dark so to speak. None of them were ever addicts. None of them ever went though withdrawals. None of them for sure ever used subs for a taper. Just because they sit and listed to lectures and read all the literature (all which I have now done also) then have taken the tests and become certified to script subs (depending on which state you are in it varies) doesn’t make them right. They are only going according to the marketing based propaganda they educated on and believe that to be correct. Here you won’t find all the variances but you will hear about consistency. When using subs there are only a few key factors with consistency right at the top of the list. Subs are highly potent medications and many folks are fooled into thinking that since they are so tiny a little bit here and there won’t make much difference after all we are all brought up into believing that more is better right? WRONG! This is the second critical thing when working with subs. Subs are approximately 30 to 40 times more powerful than morphine all variables being equal. Subs also only work most efficiently within a VERY narrow spectrum of use. Too much too soon or too little or vice versa and trouble can start. This is where experience comes in and it takes an experience person with a well trained eye so spot these things so when working with subs more is not better and in fact less is more. When in doubt don’t take and just tough it out and wait for instructions. Opiate tapers won’t kill you and although you may feel like it it won’t and especially with subs the longer you wait the better the effects of smaller amounts. Once a large amount is taken you can’t just reach in a pull it out and with the long half life of up to 72 hours give or take as everyone is different bouncing around on dosages leads to trouble quickly. Many will panic and take a large amount and initially feel okay and in fact probably feel pretty good and they will be very happy dancing around as if they licked the problem and it is no big deal but when that half life time frame comes around which is about the same time as the next drop in taper the so called algorithm gets thrown off and when you combine strength, timing, and quantity all thrown off kilter you can see where trouble can begin. Follow the recommendations as closely as possible and you will be fine.
    Keep posting and let us know what you plan to do. There are many folks on here that have a vast amount of experience and knowledge.

    Henry

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    I wish i could go the sub route,but i dont think its going to happen due to money issues.I thank you for your post Henry,but its looks like i will be going through this the with some supplements and vitamins,and try to eat the best i can,which i will start doing right away.I have to plan out a good time period when my wife doesnt have appointments and all and i can stay at home and get through the worst of the withdrawls,it is what it is,so as long as it doesnt kill me i will be fine.But i appreciate all the post from everyone,thank you...

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    mini....
    I jumped off fent patches cold turkey. Took a year to recover. It was truly horrific.

    I said the same as you, no money, it is what it is.....etc.

    If i had had even a clue.....just a clue, how awful it would be, i would have gone the sub route, some how, some way.

    Do you have a full year to do this? I'm not joking in any way.

    Get the subs, some how.

    Best of luck,
    Marian
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    Quote Originally Posted by minivin View Post
    I wish i could go the sub route,but i dont think its going to happen due to money issues.I thank you for your post Henry,but its looks like i will be going through this the with some supplements and vitamins,and try to eat the best i can,which i will start doing right away.I have to plan out a good time period when my wife doesnt have appointments and all and i can stay at home and get through the worst of the withdrawls,it is what it is,so as long as it doesnt kill me i will be fine.But i appreciate all the post from everyone,thank you...




    I'm here if I can help you and you are able to do this the right way. God bless.
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    minivin.. this adds you to my prayer list..

    God Bless from me too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClassiqueMom View Post
    minivin.. this adds you to my prayer list..

    God Bless from me too!
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    Mom ...... I think you and I pray for this forum every day! He makes all things new! God bless.
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    I will do everything i can to come up with some subs,but i do not interact with very many people,so i dont really have high hopes of that happening,but you never know.If it takes a year that is what i am going to have to do,i dont work,but i take the best care of my wife as possible,and our 15 yr.old husky,they both mean the world to me.,other than that i run to get groceries and pay our bills and keep the apartment clean,along with cooking and doing laundry that about sums it up.If i can at least perform these duties while using the thomas recipe and all that would be great,after the first couple of weeks of hard core withdrawal.Does anyone think i can pull this off if i cant get the subs?Im 43 yrs.old and i am in pretty good shape,trust me i will prepare for this if i cant get the subs.I will load up on good food and exercise like im getting ready for a mma fight or something like that,lolCan i do this?.

    lso,going cold turkey
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    Just in my opinion......

    There's no such thing as only 2 weeks of hard core withdrawal with fentanyl.

    It lasts a lot longer than that. It gets worse after two weeks. It takes forever and a day to get out of your system

    I don't think you will be able to take care of your wife and dog while doing this without
    subs.

    Like I said.......that was just my experience.

    Maybe someone else can be more positive for you, I'm just telling you what i went thru.

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    Thank you for not sugar coating anything Wally,You really got me thinking now.I would feel awful not being able to care for my small family,i would be feeling that its all my fault that this mess has gotton so far out of controlf,, only if i would have done some research before allowing the doctor to put me on these patches,and im not blaming the doctor either.One thing for certain and two things for sure, i have learned a hell of a lesson this time,and this is just the beginning.Im going to take more time and try to get the subs,i have to do something.I cant leave my loved ones hanging,while im curled up in a ball wanting to end this life,cause i know thats what it will feel like,i ran out early a couple of times and had a taste of the fentanyl withdrawals .Once again,thank you all for being so straight up and honest.,thank you for your replies,and i pray i have some better news soon as far as subs.Time to make some more phone calls and all,maybe i will come across something.

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    i went through the guilts about not researching also.

    it's truly a waste of time. just consider it a lesson learned, I did. I'm so afraid of tolerance now that I won't take any opiates at all!

    Good luck! I was afraid I was too harsh, but it's the truth.

    You will be so much better going the sub route and not feeling guilty about letting others down while going cold turkey. That guilt really got to me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by minivin View Post
    Thank you for not sugar coating anything Wally,You really got me thinking now.I would feel awful not being able to care for my small family,i would be feeling that its all my fault that this mess has gotton so far out of controlf,, only if i would have done some research before allowing the doctor to put me on these patches,and im not blaming the doctor either.One thing for certain and two things for sure, i have learned a hell of a lesson this time,and this is just the beginning.Im going to take more time and try to get the subs,i have to do something.I cant leave my loved ones hanging,while im curled up in a ball wanting to end this life,cause i know thats what it will feel like,i ran out early a couple of times and had a taste of the fentanyl withdrawals .Once again,thank you all for being so straight up and honest.,thank you for your replies,and i pray i have some better news soon as far as subs.Time to make some more phone calls and all,maybe i will come across something.





    Quite simply put if you consider the debilitation of going cold turkey off fentanyl, the extended period of time you'll be on the verge of going to a psych ward, the intensity of w/d hampering your ability to be productive financially, the cost of the subs will be far less than if you took nothing but aspirin. That is a fact! Hock something if you have to! I truly mean that. God bless.
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    minivin.. u doin' okay? still in my prayers!

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    Yeah,im doing ok,had to run wife to some appointments and all and have been busy,but funny thing is that i came up short on a patch like i do alot this month and have had the same one on for seven days now,i usally start having withdrawal symptoms as soon as the 72 hour mark comes around because i have been on them so long,weird,so i will keep going and see what happens.I still have a fresh patch to get me through till my next refill,but im very curious as to why i am holding up so well.??Trust me,i have been praying alot to,so that may have alot to do with it,i believe in God with all my heart.But wouldnt it be crazy if this was my last patch and i had no withdrawals or anything and just stopped wearing them all together?It would be a miracle in my book,but i keep thinking i am going to feel the sensation of withdrawals at anytime and it should have happened days ago.Im speechless and dont know what to think,i do know that it stores up in your system and all that stuff,i have been reading alot about it over the years since being on them,but this is something else,i feel really good right now and i should be feeling the opposite.I will see how much longer this goes on,this is day seven of the same ole patch on my arm.Interesting,if it is indeed a miracle,i will tell the whole world my story,and i have my wife to back me up,she has seen me on my third day on these patches and i couldnt wait to change it,but it has been twice as long now.hmm Thank you for asking about how i was doing,i will be in touch with you all,we will see how much longer this goes on..
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    Well,i have removed that ole nasty patch before shower today and i am not wearing one at all now,this is the eighth day since putting on my last patch,i feel pretty good today and i am getting things done.So as long as i dont start going downhill i will be patchless,who knows.Thank you all for your prayers and thank you God for today,we will give it more time and see what happens,this is crazy....
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    Quote Originally Posted by minivin View Post
    Well,i have removed that ole nasty patch before shower today and i am not wearing one at all now,this is the eighth day since putting on my last patch,i feel pretty good today and i am getting things done.So as long as i dont start going downhill i will be patchless,who knows.Thank you all for your prayers and thank you God for today,we will give it more time and see what happens,this is crazy....
    Well,i have been busy all morning and feeling great,this is truly something that has never ever happened to me since being on all kinds of prescribed opiated,i have went through withdraws from them all,except for these fentanyl patches,i have run out before and have been in complete hell until i got my refills.Right now i am not going through anything at all,and i feel naked not wearing a patch after all this time,a day hasnt went by without a patch being on me for almost two years.This could really be a spiritual awakening for me,we will see,i am almost in tears....

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    hi minivin..

    i DO pray this is a miracle for you!!

    thanx so much for the updates!

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    Hey there,another day and im having to deal with my pain now,its ok though,i dont have a patch on and that is my goal,this is something,I should be curled up in a ball right now but im not,i will keep waiting and see what happens.I know this may be hard to believe to alot of people,but i am telling it straight up,my patch 100mcg was used up days ago and now i dont have one on at all and im not experiencing any withdrawals,just some pain and mild hot flashes,i cant believe it myself,Thank you for your prayers,this is working by the hand of God,i do believe...

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    Was listening to the radio this morning and doing dishes,i listen to a chritian radio station alot,and i had to put my head down because i just started crying,im am crying as i write this,this is mind blowing and for real,i believe i have been saved by the hand of God,there isnt any other thing that could be preventing me from going through horrible withdrawals from fentanyl,im telling it the way it is trust me...

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    Took a nice little walk today,tryihg to get those endorphines going in my body,hiked up to a church to see what time they started service this Sunday.It was good to get out and walk at a fast pace,i just dont want to overdue things,im also going to be making an appointment to see my primary care doctor to get her caught up with what im doing,she isnt going to believe what i have to share with her,this should be fun..

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    I have to figure out how to deal with my chronic pain,i will give stretching and some other mild exercise a shot,but i really dont want to be back on anything heavy,I have had percocet 10/325 for breakthrough med,but that stuff is like popping m&ms,compared to the fentanyl patch.I will just take things one day at a time for now,still cant get over what im going through at this time,but its great...
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    hi minivin..
    just want you to know, you're in my prayers this morning......
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    Quote Originally Posted by minivin View Post
    I have to figure out how to deal with my chronic pain,i will give stretching and some other mild exercise a shot,but i really dont want to be back on anything heavy,I have had percocet 10/325 for breakthrough med,but that stuff is like popping m&ms,compared to the fentanyl patch.I will just take things one day at a time for now,still cant get over what im going through at this time,but its great...
    mini....
    i've gone off all opiates. started with yoga for pain...unbelievable how much it helps. i'm still doing yoga but lots more now also.
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    Well,my wife was waking me up over night to see if i was alright,i was kicking and when i woke this morning my heart was beating like crazy and my pain was overwhelming,so i had to go for a patch,i coulnt risk something happening to me,my wife and i have no family support,and with it being the weekend i cant get to doctors office,so i do feel bad for using a patch again but i dont have anything else and i was really sinking.I will go see doctor and get her on board and go through this again with some supplements and other meds,thats all i can do for now,i thank you all for your support,im still having a hard time right now,.

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    I was caught off guard with the long time of being off the patch,i hadnt prepared anything in advance and thought i would try to keep going without the patch,i do think i would have made it if i was prepared,but im in noway giving up,this was a lesson and i have learned alot from reading these forums,so i will get myself to the doc and let her know my plans and see if i will have her support,im not giving up,but this has really got me down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minivin View Post
    I was caught off guard with the long time of being off the patch,i hadnt prepared anything in advance and thought i would try to keep going without the patch,i do think i would have made it if i was prepared,but im in noway giving up,this was a lesson and i have learned alot from reading these forums,so i will get myself to the doc and let her know my plans and see if i will have her support,im not giving up,but this has really got me down.
    mini....
    don't feel bad. takes time to feel wd from fent patches and when it hits it is harsh.
    feel better, it'll kick in soon.
    no reason to feel down, you gave it a shot.
    it's just really really brutal to come off of.
    take care,
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