[pimpsnizzle420]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Skip your sub dose one day, then take your .25mg dose. Skip two days and then take a dose again. Skip three days then take your dose again. Skip four days and then you should be able to stop with NO problems. This is how I advise everyone to do this.

Keep me posted how you do. God bless.

robert, i have read your method about reducing the dose by 25% every 4 days lacking withdrawal symptoms. it sounds like a very good well-thought out method and i am eager to try it, as i am experiences bad withdrawal symptoms like so many others. but which is better? the 4 day method, or the method you just described, by taking the dose every other day, then every 2 days, etc? i have 8mg suboxone which i have been cutting into six peices at 1.33 mg each piece. i want to try to taper by your method but it will be very difficult cutting these small pieces any smaller! any suggestions? help me be free from these things already i want to feel strong and healthy and normal. also before i tired this attempt to quit taking subs, i was taking my litle 1.33 mg pieces every 3rd day for about a week and a half, and still am experiencing horrible w/d symptoms! what would be your smallest recommended dose before trying to do without? remember it is difficult dosing in such small increments when working with the 8mg pills. you seem extrememly knowledgeable on the subject and trust your advice.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by pimpsnizzle420

robert, i have read your method about reducing the dose by 25% every 4 days lacking withdrawal symptoms. it sounds like a very good well-thought out method and i am eager to try it, as i am experiences bad withdrawal symptoms like so many others. but which is better? the 4 day method, or the method you just described, by taking the dose every other day, then every 2 days, etc? i have 8mg suboxone which i have been cutting into six peices at 1.33 mg each piece. i want to try to taper by your method but it will be very difficult cutting these small pieces any smaller! any suggestions? help me be free from these things already i want to feel strong and healthy and normal. also before i tired this attempt to quit taking subs, i was taking my litle 1.33 mg pieces every 3rd day for about a week and a half, and still am experiencing horrible w/d symptoms! what would be your smallest recommended dose before trying to do without? remember it is difficult dosing in such small increments when working with the 8mg pills. you seem extrememly knowledgeable on the subject and trust your advice.

You haven't tapered down enough yet my friend. You need to continue to reduce by 25% every four days without w/d symptoms. You first need to get stable again as you're suffering w/d right now.

I would suggest you take enough to fell okay. 1.33mg is TOO much to stop at. You should take 1.5mg and settle yourself down first. Then I'll work with you online here and we can taper you down properly.

Don't worry about getting to the right dose cutting the 8mg pills. At the end like you are now take a 2mg piece (1/4 pill) and just crush it to powder. Divide it into four .5mg piles. Then you can easily divide those as necessary to reach any dose very easily. Put your dose on a sharply creased piece of paper and pour it under your tongue. That will work perfectly I promise.

Off to dr myself this morning. I'll be back later this morning. God bless.

[bev49]

1-1/3 mg. is not a low dose whatsoever. This stuff is super strong. In other countries they actually give it at doses as low as .2 mg and its still addictive. I think people think because they don't "feel" anything, they don't have alot in their system. This drug is different from your average opiate. You don't feel it but its there and its powerful. Do what Robert says and get way down below 1 mg. before skipping days and stopping. I'm taking .75 - .50 per day and still not done tapering to smaller doses.

[alex107]

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"][/Hey man staying in it longer will benefit you! You prolly feel sick because your mixing vicoden and suboxone but i have been on it for about a year and its great, I abused every type narcotic pain pill and all day long and was prescribed it. My best words are stay on it man! And it will help with the pain.

[orenm]

I was addicted to pain killers for about 5 years. Then went onto 16mg of Suboxone. Started getting severe migraines from as a result of a back surgery(go figure). Went onto 70mg of Methadone to help with pain and keep off pain meds. Went from 70 to 35mg of Meth instantly(no withdrawal symptoms) Then slowly weaned down to 20 mg of Methadone(also no withdrawal)and onto 8mg of Suboxone. Slowly weened off every week by half to 2mg(No Withdrawal) then stopped completely 3 days ago.

Here's what I felt and feel.

Night 1 - No Sleep, Restless leg, sneezing 3 times at a time every 10 minutes, cramps, nausea and diarrhea . This is after taking catapres to help with the cramps and only fell asleep at 4:30am.

Day and night 2 - Same as night 1 but slightly less and started feeling clammy.

Day 3 - Clamming, anxious, jittery. Lets see what tonight brings.

I have done a rapid detox from suboxone before and it was the worst 3 days of my life.

Anyway, I have come to realise physically what is happening and maybe this may help others. The effects that you experience from coming off most substances is not from the substance itself. The cravings are, but not the feelings people call withdrawal feelings. Those feelings are for another reason. When one takes any substance the body naturally produces some type of like substance itself. For instance morphine, the brain produces its own morphine to use at different times when needed. Steroids etc. The problem is when you use a substance like an opiate the body stops producing its own chemicals and once you get off it after a prolonged time it takes the body time to realize it now has to start producing it again. That is why there is no substitute to go through those feelings. It just takes time. Some people its days others weeks and unfortunately like myself months. Stick with it, it does get easier and easier each day.

Best of luck and I will keep you updated on my progress.

BTW Catapres does help some with the cramps, but it does dry you out.

/ORENW

[David05]

I saw Seroquel mentioned.....UNLESS YOU ARE GOING TO THERAPY DO NOT STAY ON SEROQUEL!! I LOST MY FATHER TO SUICIDE AND HE WAS ON BUSPAR AND SEROQUEL! I SUGGEST YOU DO A TON OF RESEARCH ON THIS DRUG BEFORE YOU GET SERIOUS ON IT!

Anyways...back to suboxone

I am very near the end of my Suboxone treatment (About a 5 month process, and have always been lowering my dosage). I only needed a full suboxone twice a day for 4 days. Then half (4mg) in the morn and half (4mg) at night, for about a week. At this point...it is on you to see how much you can cut and still function and be comfortable. You do not need to feel GREAT..that will come with time.


My suggestion to you is that you ALWAYS continue to take less and less. Sub has a three day half life (That means you still "feel" the sub on friday, that you took on Tuesday)


Because of this...it is best to reduce your dosages every 4 days.

How much are you taking now? Probably way to much...

These people say take 16 mg OR even 24MG a day are WRONG.

If you have been on them for over a week or 2, you should be atleast down to 8mg a day.

The "high" goes away, the urges will go away, and before you know it...you take your sub in the morning and at night and you never even think about it throughout the day.

You definetly found the right forum. This forum helped me a TON. but make sure you get info from the right people, and every1 is different.



--I am not a Doctor. I am a former user of Roxycontin. I am a 23 year old male and anyone else in a similar situation feel free to contact me. I, like Robert, would like to help all of you.

I know this is a bad problem and most of us have no one to turn to.

[diamez]

Originally Posted by Banze

Well now my shrink has me on Seroquel, I think hes crazy! That is a drug for synorfornizia (SP) and bipolar disorder which I have neither, or have not been diganosed with either. I have had anxiety since Detox and he first put me on Buspar which didnt work and now he put me on this. I took one and it knocked me into next week, I got all groggy, spacey and totally out of it and slept like a log. He wants me to take it twice a day, how am I supposed to work? Does anyone have any idea why he put me on this? He said it was an anxiety medication but once I got home and looked it up and foudn out its for mania, bipolar and skzos I am kinda freaked out. Either he has no idea what he is doing or he is lying to me, but either way I am not pleased and am afraid of the medication. I am trying to stay off pills and he wont give me Xanax, but he he puts me on this, what is the deal? Any help??? Please, I am NOT or have never had any of these symptoms and it concerns me that my doctor has me on this medication.

I think xanax is the best strongest relaxent drug depeeding to how much you take to get off these with drawal methodone/subutex/suboine etc.
Iam going that way its just in my erea hard to get a 5 days worth which will be long enough to take me off methodone?