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Want off Suboxone
11-09-2011, 10:45 AM #661
Welcome to the forum.
2mgs of sub for 2 years can and will cause withdrawal symptoms. Taking low doses of hydrocodone to taper off opiates has been done but in order to do so you MUST MAINTAIN ABSOLUTE STRICT CONTROL AT ALL TIMES!!! Opiate pain meds being what they are you develop tolerance to them so in essence it takes more and more to feel the same effects. If possible it would be best to get off all opiates regardless of whether you are worried about addiction or not. Once you become chemically dependant to any opiate you will have unpleasant withdrawal symptoms during any detox. Subs were developed to help folks get off opiates and used properly with a realistic program such as the one outlined by Robert_325 here on this forum the discomfort of withdrawal can be minimized to a greater extent and bearable.
To answer your questions to whether 2 mgs for 2 years is going to cause “severe” withdrawals that all depends on the individual as everyone is different but a short answer to this is a definite “yes” unfortunately. Subs are VERY potent medications and although small in size they pack a very powerful punch. The strength of subs is 30 to 40 times that of morphine all variables being equal so if you are at 2mgs of sub that is approximately equivalent to about 80 mgs of morphine. The lowest dose we recommend to jump or start the “skipping days” process is .25 mgs and even at that one will feel symptoms.
I don’t know when you will or already have run out of subs but subs have a relatively long half life of up to 72 hours so although you may feel somewhat okay today, if you just ran out of subs, in about 3 days or so, give or take again everyone is different, they symptoms will start to escalate.
I know this is not what you wanted to hear but is the truth.
Hope this answers your question.
If you need help lets us know.
11-11-2011, 05:40 AM #662
Hi Henry.. Thanks for amswering' I'm all out of subs as of Sunday morning when I took my last 1mg at 9am.... Monday & Tuesday were ok bit not a picnic for sure... It was wens, 72hrs, since the 1mg that got me!! I felt like I got hit by a tractor trailer!! I'm embarrassed to say I have 2 kids I need to take care of on my own so ive been taking Vic 5s to take the edge off, maybe 8 a day since I think they're junk & do very little for me.. Thursday was better, not great & prob worse then mon & tues... I also have a script for trazadone & I took that for 2 nite but switched to benedry- which is basically worthless! So now it's Friday morning & I'm still hurting but not as bad as yesterday... I think being positive helps, mind over matter & having 2 kids forced me to "(wo)man up"... I had access to 8mg pills so I thought breaking them into 1/8 would be the lowest feasible does... I wish I researched this junk yrs ago & just sucked up the pain! I didn't know the lil chip of a pill could be scraped into .25 & be useful! In my head I needed 1/8 -2Xs a day or it "didn't work"! On a positive I have emotions coming back too!! For 2yrs I was numb to everything!! Is it possible that the worst is over.. I have no access to those pills anymore & I'm slowly taking less Vic 5s each day... I wouldn't call this week easy at all but did I get of easier then most?? Or should I prepare for round 2? When will this be completely out of my body? I'm over this nightmare!! Thanks so very much!!
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11-11-2011, 11:10 PM #663
My husband who is 23 has been on pain pills oxycodone for 4 months and has decided to go to rehab. He is currently in detox and will come home sunday. They have been giving him suboxone but small doses and they said they would slowly bring him down off it. I want to believe that this wont happen again, I just haven't ever delt with this before and do not know what I should do. I have read every post on this entire forum trying to find out some things. I'm not sure if I should try to find him treatment for the suboxone or not. They are not going to send any home with him or recommend that he continue to take them. They have recommended him for the IOP and thats it. Has anyone done this before and been successful?
11-12-2011, 07:12 AM #664
From what I've been told, ur hubby has only been on pills for about 5 months, I would think he shouldn't even have been given subs... They're 80Xs as strong as morphine.. I dunno why any one would use subs to get of of vics!! Bad move!! I'm actually using vics to reduce theu SEVERE withdrawal of subs!! It's no picnic but subs should be used for serious long term usage of serious drugs (>>>>>>e, diludad, etc) but then again what do I know... I've been on 1.5/2nd of subs for maybe 2yrs for fibromyalgia( self prescribed ofcourse, cuz vics didn't cut it) 2 yrs on a low dose I think I got of easy.... Today is day 6 of no subs & I feel so much better but not great.. Day 3 was terrible, due to the 72hr half life... Hopefully since ur hubby is only a short term user he should get of fairly easy then most long timers!! But this is just from my knowledge from the school of life... Very bad idea to have him on a high dose, any more the 4mgs a day for more then a few weeks! I know many who are on 32mgs & it's pointless & addictive!! Hopefully he's on no more then 4 mg when he bagan rehab & before he leaves he's on very little, as in 0.25 of a pill! Again all I know is my experience & I was on 1.5/2mgs & went cold turkey after taking 1mg 6 days ago... It's was day 3 that was HORRIBLE!! but I think since I was on a low dose I got off easy, which sounds like the case of ur hubby! Day 6 I feel human... I was never really an addict, but was in pain so that's why I started.. I like to get that feeling but don't need it so that's why I'm using 4/6 vics a day to get thru this, which I wouldn't recommend for him!! Hopefully rehab sends him home with a sleep aid or buy lots of melantonin & lots of gaterade & I'm sure he'll be fine... Just keep a close eye on him during his recovery!! I learned my lesson.. Not worth it in the end!!
11-12-2011, 01:18 PM #665
I am pretty sure they started him at 4 mg on Wednesday and they said he wouldnt get anything today and .25 tomorrow. I was thinking about getting him a body cleansing product but not sure if that was a good idea. I know that for a few months he won't be out of my sight. He is starting the IOP on Monday so I think that will help a bit. The Suboxone they said was only a very small dose since he had only been using a few months. I was a little aggrivated after reading about suboxone for 2 days. I had him off for four days without anything cold turkey. I kept him locked in the house and boy did he get ugly, but I wouldn't give in to him and he was clean till he went into rehab well for those four days anyways, so thats what I plan on doing to him when he gets home tomorrow. We have stocked up on plenty of sweets,imodium, and pepto.We also have several cases of powerade. They aren't sending him home with any medication they just said make sure we have plenty of pepto,sweets, and imodium. They said not to let him have anything to help him sleep. While he has been in detox that is all he has done is sleep
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11-13-2011, 11:54 AM #666
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11-14-2011, 05:33 AM #667
Day 8 & this sux.... Not as bad as days 1-4 but WTF over a week & can't sleep, back pain, horrible cold sweats, absolutely no sleep & anxiety like I've never had before!! I don't think anyone would take this if they knew the outcome of the WDs!! I'm beyond desperate for relief... The Vic 5s don't do it anymore... I wish I could be induced into a coma for the next month!!
06-25-2013, 04:48 PM #668
Here it is 2013 and I'm still off of the Bupe. Had to go on pain pills for an extended time, but coming off with the Baclofen was a breeze. Without it, I was going nuts and didn't think I could make it.
Originally Posted by snap_knight
09-28-2013, 06:09 PM #669
Just so you know, stool softeners are a good idea, as long as they do not include any laxatives (you do not want to force that sort of bowel movement or you could end up with hemorrhoids). The best bet would be to lower your intake to almost all foods, drink mineral oil and lots of water, and if its a particularly bad one, get yourself a mineral oil enema. In addition, contrary to the boxes directions, at least let it sit in your bowel for an hour, I once had one so resembling a rock that I had to go to sleep with a mineral oil enema in me and have the bowel movement in the morning. Generally no matter what you do, you want to be proactive, take 2 stool softeners a day with meals, and mineral oil at least 2-3 hours before/after (not anytime near) taking any sort of medicine. This knowledge comes from a lifetime of opiate addiction and even with switching to suboxone, I have found my bowel problems to remain the same; therefore, I would not expect anything to be easier.
11-11-2013, 05:54 PM #670
I am about to start week 3 of suboxone. Now that I am educated, I want off quickly. The longer you're on, the harder it is (from what my research has taught me). I did 8mg a day week 1, then 12 mgs a day for the next 5 days, but it got me too "speedy", so I lowered it back to 8mgs per day...hopefully I won't feel withdrawals tomorrow (as it will be day 3 of lowering my does back to 8). I need advice to prepare myself before seeing the doc. I am afraid this establishment will get mad bc they want to make their money. If go from 8mgs a day to like 4 next week is that too fast? Keep in mind, it's only going to be my third week on subs. Then I'd like to lower my daily dose by another 2 mgs the following week, then to 1mg, then do 1mg every other day and hopefully stop at that point. That would put my total time on suboxone about 6 weeks.
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11-23-2013, 04:38 PM #671
Getting off Suboxone
Subutex or Subuxone seemed to be very easy for me to get off of it.
I took it because of my body's addiction to Vicodin.
Just stop taking it my friend it can't hurt you.
God Bless and Damn these drugs.
12-04-2013, 03:03 AM #672
You need to consider this with your doctor as like every medicine body takes time to adopt suboxone's entry so you might have felt some withdrawals from that but if you will consult your doctors then they will boost you up.
12-12-2013, 09:59 AM #673
I was one of the first ten patients to be put on suboxone 9 or
10 years ago. last year I was off at for 9 months complete abstinence. I also am a recovering alcoholic. even after 9 months I was very depressed and no energy. I totally felt like the life with sucked out of me. I was pushing myself to go to meetings exercise church. even after 9 months everything was still a struggle.. so I'm sure you know what happens next., yeah you got it,, started taking Suboxone again,,
only a half a milligram a day, but it makes me feel alive again..
thank you for sharing your experience , and the title of the book. I'm truly losing hope. every morning I pray every day for it to end. I want a hundred percent abstinence. more than anything. but since I started taking Suboxone it seems so hard. 9 months is a long time not to feel right. and I used to think suboxone was not addictive. I use to call people cry babies when they said they were having withdraws. but after the physical part is over it's the mental that is just relentless....
I guess I have to go to a doctor to get the baclofen
01-03-2014, 05:50 AM #674
Originally Posted by zippysgoddess
Exactly, I too agree with what you said!
Actually, as much I observe the thing which our friend explained in their post, it sounds like he was having addiction of drugs. And it's natural if you left a drugs instantly then it will creates problems like that which you are facing yet! So, I think it's not because of Suboxone.
08-24-2014, 09:52 PM #675
I need some advice. I was a junky for 26yrs. At the end I was taking 250mg a day of Oxy or >>>>>>e. I am now on 16mg of suboxone and I am done with it as well. I know im supposed to taper off and everyone is different. I cut my self down to 12mg 5 days ago and am fine. I am mildly dizzy and have very little nausea but its really not that bad. I told my Dr to take me off of it and he didnt like that idea. How long should I wait to decrease each time? I have been on this dose for 15 months. I just became a member and dont really know how to use this forum. FYI
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08-24-2014, 10:17 PM #676
here is a taper plan that most use on the forum...Im really not the sub person...but it will give you an idea of what to do till some more people come on...
Standard Taper Plan
The standard taper I used and promote is that if you will reduce by 25% of the total daily dose and maintain that dose for a period of four full days while experiencing minimal to no w/d symptoms it’s safe to reduce again by another 25% and expect the same results. If you experience any overwhelming w/d symptoms during the four day period you can take a .25 mg sliver (depending on your existing dose) and the w/d symptoms usually dissipate immediately. If you require slivers to remain stable at any level you should start over the next day trying to put four days together again. This allows for the long half life of buprenorphine which can be up to 72 hours for most people.
After I reached .5mg, I began a process of skipping days. I would take a dose one day, then skip one day. Then dose again, and then skip two days. Then dose again, and then skip three days. Then dose again, and then skip four days. After four days clean I was finished. The half life has had time to catch up with itself.
We have found some people, for whatever reason, tend to stress out and suffer anxiety when it comes time to skip days. If that is your experience you can continue the standard 25% taper every four days all the way down to zero in lieu of skipping days if that makes you feel better. Again we are all a little different. The idea is to be successful and the skipping days is not written in stone. That is what worked for me and has worked for most others following this taper plan. But if you need to taper down to nothing instead of skipping days that is certainly a viable and acceptable option.
The reason for sometimes feeling w/d symptoms is the long half life of buprenorphine, the main drug that is in sub and the generic. To be very simple, it can take days before we experience the w/d symptoms from sub. So this is why we wait 4 days to allow for the half life which can easily be up to 72 hours depending on some variables. When we make it 4 days without symptoms we should be fine reducing again.
It’s not uncommon to have some minor side effects from sub as with almost any medication. There can be some depression, sleep problems, anxiety. So we suggest not taking the sub close to bedtime, get some mild to moderate exercise depending on your physical condition, there are things to do that will help lots of things. But stick with the same principles all the way down as far as you are comfortable. We are here to help at that point.
08-24-2014, 10:27 PM #677
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08-28-2014, 01:24 PM #678
Tapering off subs...
Went from 8mg films to 2mg this week
Before I went down to 2mg is was taking half of 8mg for total of 4mg per day.
Since I've went down to 2mg 4x per day (dr recommended for a monthly total of 120 films) I've been taking about 2mg and 1/2 per day.
Any suggestions on Tapering off to successfully be off subs this 30 day cycle?
Lots of love and great advice here and looking forward to anyone's response.
12-15-2014, 09:11 PM #679
Hey guys I'm a little new to this but, wanted to share my story. Well, to start I was on lori 10's then perc 30's then op80's. My buddy got the 80's from a friend so at 15$ a pop it was a no brainer. But when I started taking a whole one twice sometimes 3 times a day I knew it had to change. Long story short I've been on the film for little over a year now worse part is I don't get a script for them. Ikr! So thought I was going to just quit cold turkey !!! Haha is what my head said didn't get out of bed for 2 days was mad at everyone couldn't sleep after taking a football so I only lasted 3 days with nothing. Some may say I was close but my mind and body said I hadn't even started yet. So, this was 2 weeks ago. My marriage is falling apart and I'm to stubborn/proud/dumb (all of them fit well lol)to go get real help so I talked with a buddy today that also said a week or 2 of some tabs would help give my body time to get off the subs and not long enough to get hooked back on the pain pills. I take about a 3rd of a strip a day once in morning then again after lunch. Tried the Zubsolve pills there 5.7mg but make me feel diff then a strip, irratable and snappy. I told myself I bought my last 2 strips this evening gonna stretch them then get a few tabs and try again. Guess I just needed to tell someone how I felt. Well, someone that could relate that is. I'm open for any suggestions or comments/ questions so, look forward to being free soon. Thx for listening/reading
12-15-2014, 09:29 PM #680
Sorry , just 1 more thing really cant afford to only reduce by 25% for 4 day periods. Noticed that in a few post I read. If no w/d could it be done in 2 day periods. Just seemed like u have done this already or r in process of doing it by the way you guys speak of it so, wanted to ask for any opinions or suggestions. Thnx again!
02-09-2015, 05:28 PM #681
I'm 4 + years sober with not one relapse. Very proud of myself. I read your post and I can understand not wanting to be on suboxone for years. I have been on it for over 4 years, started heavy at 8mg , 3 times a day, and now down to 2mg 4 days a week then 2 and a half mg the other days. I'm covered on all costs so it hasn't robbed my pockets. My doc said that those 6-9 month Suboxone programs after being a pain pill addict (15) a day, are bogus, as other docs have said. You can be on suboxone for 20 years and with PROPER tapering off, return to normal. In my opinion never try Subutex, my sub doc will not write for it because of its abuse potential. As long as you have the resources $ you can be on subs for years and come off with slow tapering and have no problems. If you've had a drug addiction for over 5 years, I think you'll need subs for about the same time...but THATS my opinion, I'm not a Doctor. I warn new comers looking for help to not listen to all these people who say SUBOXONE IS BAD, GET OFF IT NOW, ECT. Those are the same people that ask things like, "uhh my friend snorts subs is that ok?" You gotta read, educate yourself. But IVE never been an addict my whole life. I was a B average student, honor roll, sports player, helped charities...I wasn't the kid coming to class high wearing jeans 12x's too big and disrespecting teachers. My problem began when I was 30 and had to get multiple oral surgeries and hence began pain, then pills, more pills, ect. I remember going through withdrawal of no pain pills, no money to get them, nothing. I lived a nightmare, put my wife through hell, my family, and friends, no wait...I lost all them, and my job. I can tell you I am TERRIFIED to ever be back in that spot. Withdrawals. Hot, cold sweats, can't eat, cant drink, cant walk without being dizzy. Nauseated to the extreme. IF and IF I slept during my many withdrawals, it was broken sleep, up every 20 minutes, tossing, sweating, hot, cold, 10x's worse than any flu. I'm so glad that I'm TERRIFIED to ever take a pain pill again. Suboxone will help you if taken as prescribed and if you've had a 5 or more year addiction, even less, all depends how many you were taking of the opiates or >>>>>> , ect. I'm almost there at my 2mg...its a slow wean. THERES no 6 month cure, personally, unless you were an addict for 3 weeks. I have been through a living hell. Suboxone saved me. My doc is excellent. HES asked before if I ever wanna drop dramatically and TRY IT, I CAN. But if it didn't work HED put me right back to my reg dosage. Please write to me, I'll answer any questions, I don't care if they are personal. This is life & death. I'm there for you. W/B
02-09-2015, 06:05 PM #682
If I may ask, what was your drug (s) of choice, how many a day, and mg's?
It all factors into how long your sub treatment should be if you don't want to relapse.
I've consulted a few sub docs and he she said the average rate of relapse was one in three in short term sub programs. You need to build up Suboxone in your body so YOULL never get high again.
I'm very happy because I do not drink alcohol , EVER. Not even a sip of champagne for a toast on New Years, I sip my ginger ale. So after tapering off the subs, I'll be a new man. Please if there's a first time reader out there seeing this....trust me, I know we all laughed at the guys who visited high schools to speak on drug problems, saying to yourself, ITLL never be me. Yo , it WILL BE YOU. It's not something you can go, oh I'll stop when I want. You can't. You get sick, flu symptoms, hot and cold sweats, so it's uncomfortable to move around, you get agitated at ANYTHING SMALL...you will lose your job if your not on subs. Opiate withdrawal is like the flu 10 times over. It's so bad that I cannot even watch intervention anymore because I can FEEL their withdrawals. I was once going through withdrawal so bad I bit my finger as hard as a ćould to place pain somewhere else , bit through my skin and saw my bare knuckle. I've been giving you guys bits n pieces of my struggle, I'd like to create a short story detailing many many bad things, that eventually turned out well. I don't know if this site lets you give your email address out in case anyone needs a person to talk to thru messenger or email, so I can't break the rules unless someone, an admin, tells me it's ok. Otherwise can't you PRIVATELY SEND me a message, if so please do, I'd love to help, I ain't 100% yet but I can sure help you in ways. All my LUV , AJ
02-09-2015, 07:27 PM #683
It saved me too but it as time to come off . Slow like you said ,and I slowly tapered down too ,just under .66 now . A slow taper is the deal . Yes. To have seen the ones that want to get high. Then back on the subs. No not me ,I'm done with this too.. Broken back ,legs etc started out with FENTYNAL ,then next process was this. Now six years later . I'm off hopefully soon
02-09-2015, 07:31 PM #684
Also ,I might add. Most of these doctors ,that do nothing more then charge you $120 plus. Give out wrong info. Hell why not the easiest $120 plus a doctor can get without doing anything other then writting the script and being a D..k while he's at it . Done with all of them . $160 billion dollar industry . They don't want you straight if they did? They would use the stuff for Europe that has no withdrawals at All ! It's all bout money ,make that billions
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02-09-2015, 07:35 PM #685
Just asking ? Bu why does it have to be ? What's your drug of choice . How about breaking your back and Being put on FENTYNAL etc
02-09-2015, 07:40 PM #686
My wife is 56 and jus dropped from the 8 to 4 mg . Didn't feel a thing .... It's when you start tapering for there . But man ,have to be honest . Don't stay on this to long . Like one script I would say after being on it 6 years too long . Hate this stuff . Shorter the better
02-09-2015, 07:46 PM #687
Bro ,it's going to take you a little while longer ,I hate to say. Tapering is the whole key. But at the right amounts and over every two to three weeks you make a lite jump down . Etc etc . I'm at 2 cutting it and getting three little pieces out of it. And I'm still couple months from jumping completely off. I'll cut till I can't cut anymore . Then jump. Not a minute before. For one ,because a slow taper. Is the only way to do it comfortably in the least amount of withdrawals, As possible
02-09-2015, 07:50 PM #688
That's a plan ,sounds great too. But I have to go longer . I taper every two to three weeks . Six years on,at 57 . But basically same thing as you. It's all in that taper ,your totally right . Just for and my age and years on? Slower taper ,that's all. Thanks sounds good to me too
02-09-2015, 07:53 PM #689
Well I'm at ,cutting the two little strip into three little squares . So think that's about .66 I'm doing that every two to three weeks . But I've also been in it six years too. I'm taking my time . Frack those withdrawals ,I'm way too old to suffer . So for me ? Every two ,to three weeks drop down till you can't cut it up,anymore .
02-09-2015, 08:01 PM #690
Funny thing ,all these pain add addiction doctors do when you tell them . Hey like to get off now ? Is they get nasty with you. Easy money . For them. I do a slow taper ,like ever two to three weeks . I'm at less then one mg now . .66 I'll take my time and keep cutting ,next .33 etc etc ! till I can't cut ANYMOREE . Then jump. Far as I'm concerned ,I'll go couple more months slowlyyyyyyy. Then make the final jump,with the least amount in me as possible . Been on it wife and me from car wreck we were both in. Two people killed mus breaking lots if bones . Her neck,my back. FENTYNAL to Suboxone. Total 6 Years now . Coupe more months off everything