[ialwaysdo]

I've been on subs since May and feel like I'm close to getting off them. I had the toughest time at around 2 mg which I believe isn't uncommon. I believe I'm at .75 mg -or maybe .65 mg. I know people have systems for tracking this but I don't know for sure. The nice thing is I my w/d 's are very easy to take at this point. Infact as of right now I haven't taken sub for 28 hours. I understand with the half life this is normal. Still I see this as progress cause I couldn't have done this b4. In genreral how much longer before I can jump off?

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by ialwaysdo

I've been on subs since May and feel like I'm close to getting off them. I had the toughest time at around 2 mg which I believe isn't uncommon. I believe I'm at .75 mg -or maybe .65 mg. I know people have systems for tracking this but I don't know for sure. The nice thing is I my w/d 's are very easy to take at this point. Infact as of right now I haven't taken sub for 28 hours. I understand with the half life this is normal. Still I see this as progress cause I couldn't have done this b4. In genreral how much longer before I can jump off?

I always suggest to taper down to at least .5mg and even less for some people. Don't be trying to see how long you can go without at this point. You sound like .5mg would work for you. But then you want to go through a process of skipping days.

Here is the recommended schedule. Take .5mg dose, then skip one day. Take .5mg dose and then skip two days. Take .5mg dose and then skip three days. Take .5mg dose and then skip four days.

Once you get past the four days you've allowed time for the half life and this should go very well. IF you have ANY symptoms at all they will be minimal. Hope that helps. God bless.

[ialwaysdo]

Thanks for the input , Robert. You do good stuff over here.

[kidmonster]

I was able to get off suboxone, only for 1month so far...but I had to go down to .25mg, then went to my doctor /specialist and she put me on klonopin to help with the withdrawl. I don't know if I'm really clean or not now. Got off the suboxone now I want to taper down the klonopin.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by kidmonster

I was able to get off suboxone, only for 1month so far...but I had to go down to .25mg, then went to my doctor /specialist and she put me on klonopin to help with the withdrawl. I don't know if I'm really clean or not now. Got off the suboxone now I want to taper down the klonopin.

So you haven't taken ANY suboxone whatsoever for a full month now?

What dose of klonopin have you been taking, how many times each day and I'm assuming it lasted for one month total?

Answer will depend on your reply to these questions. God bless.

[ialwaysdo]

I think thats great ur off subs and as long as ur not abusing the other i would call u clean.

Question..

The past couple of months I would always go 24 hours between doses. Does that mean I should strart the taper at 2 days?

Yesterday at 6pm I took what had to be less than .5 after going 30 hours from my last dose. My brain isn't working that well so I'm probably missing something.

[kidmonster]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

So you haven't taken ANY suboxone whatsoever for a full month now?

What dose of klonopin have you been taking, how many times each day and I'm assuming it lasted for one month total?

Answer will depend on your reply to these questions. God bless.

Yes, she has me taking 1mg klonopin once before bed. She also gave me Clonidine to take a few times a day but I only take it once a day. Thanks for the reply Robert_325

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by ialwaysdo

I think thats great ur off subs and as long as ur not abusing the other i would call u clean.

Question..

The past couple of months I would always go 24 hours between doses. Does that mean I should strart the taper at 2 days?

Yesterday at 6pm I took what had to be less than .5 after going 30 hours from my last dose. My brain isn't working that well so I'm probably missing something.

Back up to post #2 on this thread. It has the skipping schedule posted there. God bless.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by kidmonster

I was able to get off suboxone, only for 1month so far...but I had to go down to .25mg, then went to my doctor /specialist and she put me on klonopin to help with the withdrawl. I don't know if I'm really clean or not now. Got off the suboxone now I want to taper down the klonopin.

After only one moonth on klonopin just chunk them. You won't have that bad of w/d and you'll be done with it. You don't need to do any kind of taper after only doing that. God bless.

[ialwaysdo]

I haven't gotten to 48 hours without taking sub. I'm fighting pretty hard. I'm taking the bear min at this point. Like .4 mg or .5mg...Down from .75..Estimating 8mg sub pills isn't exact... Kinda having panic attacks but overall its not going terrible..

I am making strides right now but maybe I need a few days to get used to this current dose.

I have three 8 mg subs and some orange powder left so its gonna happen soon.

[kidmonster]

ialwaysdo - sounds great. Try not to stress yourself too much about the impending end of the three pills, I was able to use a pillCutter to cut the 8mg in half then quarter, once the quarter (2mg.) I just crushed into piles of sand (it's a pain) and put the powder under tounge. You probably know that, good luck!\

[kidmonster]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

After only one moonth on klonopin just chunk them. You won't have that bad of w/d and you'll be done with it. You don't need to do any kind of taper after only doing that. God bless.

Thank you, will keep ya posted.

[kidmonster]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

After only one moonth on klonopin just chunk them. You won't have that bad of w/d and you'll be done with it. You don't need to do any kind of taper after only doing that. God bless.

Took 1mg of generic Klonopin yesterday, will try not to tonite..

[ialwaysdo]

So I'm down to at most .25 about every 36 hours....

I've been pacing myself I guess you could say...

Is there anything to gain by laboring, or should I start the taper layed out for me by Robert now?

A few years back when I got off pills after a very painful detox I was just a misery..

Since I had alot of time free of opiats can I expect to feel better when I'm off subs? I know were all different , just in general...

thanks

[ialwaysdo]

just made it 48 hours without subs..

I was tempted to try to go the 4 days without and see if I could jump..

so I took the smallest sliver that I could pick up after 48 hours without..

Besides sleeping a couple of hours a night things are going pretty well.

[kidmonster]

.25 is great. That sounds like your tapering down very well. To keep spacing out the times between doeses is the key. . Then try to jump off when you can. Besides the subs anyting else your trying to work on?

[ialwaysdo]

In my 1st 26 years on the planet I never smoked cigarettes..Thats until I started with pain pills. Both mixed together was an enjoyable combo..

After I stopped pills I smoked so. so much less ,and the last 4 days I stopped totally.

I'm not even really trying and this is easy for me..

I used to take valium, ambien, and lexapro but its been almost a year , although I may go back to the doc to get those meds to help me in this homestretch with subs.

I don't know what the right way to live is, but being bombed ( at work no less ) all day everyday is wrong.

[melinda7.5]

Hi ialwaysdo
Yeahhh for you on quitting the smoking...pain pills and smoking oh man you are right I use to sit and chain smoke it just sucked the life out of me...
I felt so much better when I stoped...your doing so good...better days are just around the corner...Im really happy for you
Talk to you later, Melinda

[ialwaysdo]

Thank you so much Melina for the kind words.. My outlook towards this whole deal has really improved of late. I think a sound mind goes along way in beating this , and I have the highest respect for those who fight through this.

[kidmonster]

Originally Posted by ialwaysdo

just made it 48 hours without subs..

I was tempted to try to go the 4 days without and see if I could jump..

so I took the smallest sliver that I could pick up after 48 hours without..

Besides sleeping a couple of hours a night things are going pretty well.

Hows it going? Keep up the good work, your doing so well! It is hard to take .25 mg in those big 'stop sign' shaped 8mg pills. Glad to 'see' you on the forum

[ialwaysdo]

Hey KM.. Thanks for the support. After I went 2 days on a tiny sliver I was only able to go 24 hours without it the next day.

However, I'm closing in on 48 hours today and I feel much better than I did in the past few days.

[ialwaysdo]

I'm closing in on 3 days without subs and don't PLAN on taking subs ever again.

Now perhaps the other shoe will drop and sooner or later I'll get bad wd's. At that point I'll consider starting a new taper.

If I get to 4 days I should be home free ?? Some people have claimed they feel sick for weeks...I hope that doesn't hold true.

[melinda7.5]

Hi ialwaysdo
your going to be one of those people that are not going to get sick...
you take those 3 days and run with it
happy days for you...
Talk to you later, Melinda

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by ialwaysdo

I'm closing in on 3 days without subs and don't PLAN on taking subs ever again.

Now perhaps the other shoe will drop and sooner or later I'll get bad wd's. At that point I'll consider starting a new taper.

If I get to 4 days I should be home free ?? Some people have claimed they feel sick for weeks...I hope that doesn't hold true.

ialwaysdo ......You haven't done the day skipping exactly like I suggested but HEY!!! It's working for you so I say go for it. Subs have a half life of up to 72 hours depending on a few variables but basically if you make it four full days coming off the low dose you're at then you shouldn't have anymore w/d problems. Only time people are sick for a month is when they stop abuptly at higher doses. Even doing it at 2mg can lead to misery. But you've tapered to .25mg and you should be fine. You could still have a few minor bumps in the road but nothing you can't handle. Post as you go forward.

It's not uncommon to have a little minor depression, a few body aches, that sort of thing after you get completely clean off the subs. I mean you just detoxed off opiates, your body went through a lot of trauma. The subs just helped cover up the pain. But I don't expect you to have problems at this point after three days of not using after tapering to .25mg. That is outstanding!

I promise you that if I was in your shoes and had three days into this after jumping from .25mg then there is NO WAY that I would take any again even if I had a rough day in there somewhere ahead. There is no reason to take anything now.

I want to be the first person to congratulate on you on being clean. As far as I'm concerned you're clean as your last time to use was three days ago. THAT IS YOUR CLEAN DATE!!!! That is very exciting. Remember that you never have to use again!

Just keep us posted how you're doing and don't hesitate to ask any questions you may have. Again congratulations on your success. I love seeing people get clean! God bless.

[ialwaysdo]

First off thank you all for the support !!! I started this journey May 6th 2009 after almost a year of bouncing back and fourth between painkillers and subs. Before that about 2 1/2 years of being hoplessly addicted, and a detox in 2006 that will go down as the worst days Ive had on this planet.

I spent so much time fearing another painful detox , it was on my mind always. Don't get me wrong nearly everyday on subs I felt like ******** but nothing like my 2006 experience. Before I heard from Robert earlier part of me thought the worst was over , and the other believed the worst was yet to come. I had been preparing for a heavyweight fight against Mike Tyson , but I guess he never showed up.

At times when I wasn't progressing as much as I'd like I was mad at suboxone, at how long this was taking. I didn't talk to friends about what I was doing because I didn't want them to see me fail , again. Plus I had ******** on them plenty during my addiction. I personally never considered rehab or n/a. As flawed as my logic may be I wanted to do this alone. Even when my addiction was in full swing I knew I had a problem. I was never in denial about it.

I know the battle isn't over , it goes on for forever for people like me , but I was consumed with getting free of subs. I have like 2/ 1/2 8mg pills of suboxone that I guess I won't need. I think I started with like 75 in May! I'm not sleeping much but I'll take it. Subs can help you do this if you put in the time and work.

Thanks for the support Robert , Melinda , and Kid Monster!!

[ialwaysdo]

km- hows it going with kickin the klonipin?

[kidmonster]

Originally Posted by ialwaysdo

km- hows it going with kickin the klonipin?

I was taking 1mg a day , and was getting nervous cause I wanted to be clean, clean. So after taking 2 (1mg) pills one night that I was really stressed about my wife, etc... (shouldn't use excuses) I threw them away... The next night I slept okay now it's been four days and Im in the clear.. THANKS FOR ASKING It means alot .. thanks

[newyorkgal]

ialways do,
Everyone is giving you kudos about how well you did with the subs and I definintely go along with that praise. But I wanted to also give you HIGH praise for stopping the cigarettes. They are definitely poison to your body, as bad as any chemical we put in there so while getting off the subs, which is a great thing, you've accomplished a really great thing which will make you feel so much better in the long term
Good for You !

[melinda7.5]

Originally Posted by kidmonster

I was taking 1mg a day , and was getting nervous cause I wanted to be clean, clean. So after taking 2 (1mg) pills one night that I was really stressed about my wife, etc... (shouldn't use excuses) I threw them away... The next night I slept okay now it's been four days and Im in the clear.. THANKS FOR ASKING It means alot .. thanks

Hi Kidmonster
Hey that is great I don't know if you read the other threads but Dago( Ryan )
Just quit benzo's also...good for you that really is a big accomplishment...
I bet your going to be home free
Talk to you soon, Melinda

Hi ialwaydo
You know I'm so happy for you...you really have done so well...
I hope life is good to you and things just fall into place...
And will be here if you ever need us...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[cheekysod]

wow guys what an awesome journey the both of you are on.
i am about to go on that less than 1mg journey as well, and is great to see how you guys got through, and supported each other wholeheartedly all the way.
and i alwaysdo, keeping off those cigarettes is an added bonus pal, i bet you are sooo proud of yourself.
getting off subs, and getting off cigarettes, you are going to save a fortune, and smell real nice too. heh heh. i was a dummy and started when i was 21, lucky for me i managed to kick it by 23, and have never smoked again, its a tough one for most, so be proud, and strong, keep going bro.

so kidmonster, i always do, i would take a bow, you are living proof this can work,
thanks for letting me watch that journey, i can learn from you,
cheers and best of luck
cheeky