[mpvt]

I would phone the pharmacy and ask the pharmacist.They know their stuff and won't give you a bum steer.I do know that taking to many ultram can cause seizures just by itself so don't take to many at one time.Good luck and I hope you get your pain under control.....Dave

[lumberdog22]

quote:Originally posted by Angelkissedby2

Dear Idonax

I came accross this forum today and seen your post. I decided to see if I could find some help online from people suffering from ultram addiction. I have been taking ultram ( tramadol) for over a year now and just recently I have noticed that my usual dosages are running out sooner, I'm having to take more to get any pain relief. I was put on it because I have acute back pain related to achy joints and muscle pain. Anyway I feel worse now without taking it then I ever did before I started taking it. If I had known, I would of never started it. I feel prisoner to this drug every single day, I decided to not take any one day, I got through the first part of the day and then the withdrawl symptoms kicked in pretty heavy, I couldn't sleep, my legs felt like lightening was shooting through them, I was sweating cold and clammy, I felt restless, weak and achy all over my body, my stomach hurt really bad , it was unbearable for me to go through any longer so I broke down and took a few to stop it and then I felt fine. I keep trying to get off of it this way and it's just not working, I don't know what to do, where to go or where I can turn. I can't tell my Husband about it or my family, I feel alone. I noticed that you mentioned you got on Wellbutrin so I'm going to see a Dr and try to get some. Can you please write me back and tell me anything else I can get to help me and what I should do, should I wean myself off of them while taking the wellbutrin? You mentioned Immodium also but I wasn't sure what you said that was for, the stomach pain? I'm so happy to know that someone actually got off this stuff, I feel like I can do it if I have someone there that's been there and gone through it and can help me with some advice. I don't want to feel this way anymore, I don't want to wake up every day feeling awful and achy and where's my pills?? Oh what if I run out of my pills?? " I hate this . Any advice you can offer is much appreciated - Thanks Noelle





I GOT OFF TRAMADOL

I'm going on 13 days and feel pretty good. I never thought I could get addicted to this medicine. But I am responsible for taking it in the first place off a Website. 5 months I quit using went through terrible withdrawal couldn't get off the floor or take care of my kids. Thought it was some kind of nervous breakdown. Took a couple and felt just fine. Oh No what have I gotten myself into. Sometimes I took to kill back pain most times to fight withdrawal symptoms and to feel good. And it does make you feel happier. A year into it I checked out Methadone, bad stuff quit in a week. Then I went to a phsychologist who talked about my problem but never helped. But then by the grace of "someone" I found a doctor who put me on wellbutrin, zyban whatever you want to call it. Tapered down in two weeks and April 1st I was done. Immodium some stomach aches phenegren suppositories but the thing is even though I was going through some withdrawal and wanted to lay on the floor something in my head told me "GET UP" "GET UP" and I got up and I took care of my kids I went to my job and I made it through. So tell the doctor your quitting smoking depressed, you want to try wellbutrin. It will help you. Pain is something you need to get help for and I encourage accupuncture, physical therapy and prescribed medicines if necessary. But don't take this stuff. It is bad and it almost took my life away. Please try this if you haven't already, you've got nothing to lose.

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[tennlady9598]

HEy there, in case some of you havent read it from the other forum topics here is my story, and maybe some of you have advice or stories you would like to share!! I am sooo glad for this forum, i love all the new friends!!!!![I have been taking tramadol, for about 2 years and at my peak, taking up to 30 a day, im at about 15 a day now, this drug scares the hell out of me. I feel like without it, i am not a goo enough person, not as good a lover, mother cook friend, whatever, i will actually cancel events around whether i had enough pills. I have lied to doctors pharamcists family members you name it. I have stolen money from my husband and pawned things to get money for these little "wonders" I am so fully afraid of running out that i get overwhlemed and depressed and think maybe I should just end it all and not have to worry anymore. I have truly thought that before. I would not take mine until nighttime and then take about 20 spaced over 3-5 hours for the High the euphoria, that great feeling. I went to the Dr. today, a new younger one and explained almost exactly what was going on ( i said i was taking about 12 a day) I dont know why i couldnt go all the way telling him but i didnt. He was really nice and understood, of course he wrote me a scrip for 120(no refills() with instructions to taper down(no SPECIFIC) instructions, tho. and i am to gradually introduce neurontin into my system to build up to 300 mg a day of that. How should i taper with only 120 pills left. I am sooooo afraid and would love some advice. I dont really know if i can do this, i am sooooooo DEPENDENT on this drug it is truly terrifying. im not spelling too well today, but can someone help me out, i have lots of the neurontin, and i have about 60 xanax, can anyone give me a REAL plan to follow and help me out of this prison of a bottle? Love to all and prayers to those in my shape,
ps.. I also have a bottle of about 50 xanax, and i really want this to work whats the best to do what the dr. says or the xanax or what???


LOve and prayers to all who are in my shape!!!

[flowerpower]

I've been taking 400 mg Tramadol per day for five years for acute spondylolisthesis pain. I have no noticeable side effects though I certainly am dependent upon the drug. BTW, I also take 10 mg Lexapro daily, and have had no Serotonin issues despite the potential that exists for problems, since Tramadol does affect serotonin levels, like Lexapro et al.

Yes, Tramadol is a moderately effective pain reliever for me. I'd rather be dependent upon it than in acute pain.

At my age, 61, I have learned to NEVER quit any medication cold turkey. Doing so is a shock to the body and you WILL pay a price for doing that, in my experience. This is especially true for pain relievers and any psychotropic medications. I just can't imagine doing the cold turkey stoppages I have read about on this list tonight.

best wishes to all,
Flowerpower

[sschmidt40]

I have taken ultram in the past and have found it to have no effect on my pain. In reading this forum I have discovered that I am not the only one. However, I have managed to get off all other pain meds before I was too addicted (Vicodin, Soma, Percocet, Darvocet, etc.). I have a neuromuscular disease and have found that being proactive is the best solution for me. I have gotten more relief from water therapy and anti-depressants than ever before. But most of all the power of prayer has really helped me. God definitely comes through when you need Him too and turning things over to Him really helps me get through my bad times. Take care and I hope all of you can find help in more positive ways than painkillers (i.e. Physical therapy, herbal remedies, prayer).

sschmidt40

[jessjess]

please make no mistake,Tramadol is ver addictive I have been on tramadol for abut 1 year now. I have been off of it for about 2 days
and I must say it is hell. But with prayers and faith I'm sure I can get through this. I really haven't taken anything yet,but I think I am
going to buy some sleeping pills. To help sleep but I also have the chills and restless leg sydrome that will hopefuly go away soon.

[tennlady9598]

[font=Verdana]Hey, I just wondered how it is going for you? Are you feeling any better? and how many days has it been for you now? I am asking so many questions cuz tonight i take the very last tram pill ( i have nine and they will all be taken tonight) and then i have access to no more, period. This is it. I am going cold turkey starting tomorrow, what can i expect the first day, etc, etc. I am way nervous about this and I have a little bottle of xanax but would prob just get addicted to them wouldnt i? well, i will give you a chance to answer. Thanks for your help in advance....[[/font=Verdana]quote]Originally posted by jessjess

please make no mistake,Tramadol is ver addictive I have been on tramadol for abut 1 year now. I have been off of it for about 2 days
and I must say it is hell. But with prayers and faith I'm sure I can get through this. I really haven't taken anything yet,but I think I am
going to buy some sleeping pills. To help sleep but I also have the chills and restless leg sydrome that will hopefuly go away soon.
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LOve and prayers to all who are in my shape!!!

[flathead_daddy]

Just to add to the mix- I have had chronic pain for 6 years and been on Ultram/Tramadol for most of them. I take at least 300mg/day and I will also attest that there are some long term effects that no one wants to talk about. All the doctors that I talk to say that the drug is "essentially harmless", but I know that if I am even four hours late on a dosage, I am in serious discomfort, although it is more of a flu-like all over body ache, combined with incredible fatigue. So, as the majority of the listers have written, there is no way that I am getting off this drug unless I can spend a month in a detox ward. However, the bigger issue is that it is affecting my mental state the last 6 months. I am depressed, fatigued, and cannot shake the cobwebs out of my head. I still take Percocets when I get my migranes (a lovely side effect of a facet injection), but I have to take at least 10mg to have any effect. So a word of warning to those out there- this drug will affect you, especially if you are on it for any significant length of time. Be careful.

[KeithBrown26]

I have been battling drug addiction for a few years now. I was doing good, but in August I had to have surgery. I was prescribed tramadol because I asked specifically for a nonnarcotic, but the problem is I seem to be addicted to these. I cant sleep, Im irratable, but I dont get high off of them and when I dont take them I feel weak. Any advice?

[hatelove percs]

hey guys: i am trying to find out just what tramadol/ultram is.i am five days off percocet c/t.(i thought). i have severe migraines and back pain so asked for non opiate non narcotic and received ultram. now after three days am reading really bad stuff and finding places that says it IS a narcotic and/or IS an opiate and some say it is niether. i don't know what to believe. i wonder because my w/d symptoms have been minor compared to past c/t attempts. all i have suffered is the severe exhaustion, so maybe it is an opiate of some sort.?? this is not what i want as i have a terrible percocet addiction and want to be free of all opiates. can someone give me any and all info on this drug please?

[jayjay88]

quote:Originally posted by liberty

Ultram
Generic Name: tramadol
Treatment for: moderate to moderately severe pain

Ultracet
Generic Name: tramadol and acetaminophen
Treatment for: short-term (five days or less) management of acute pain

Have you taken or do you take Ultram or Ultracet?
We want to hear your story. Please feel free to share your experiences.

Consumer Information at
http://ultram.drugs.com/
http://ultracet.drugs.com/
Professional Information at
http://www.drugs.com/PDR/Ultram_Tablets.html
http://www.drugs.com/PDR/Ultracet_Tablets.html
I became addicted to Ultram/Ultracet within about 6 months of usage. I have just gone cold turkey about 3 days ago. I am having incredible withdrawals both physically and psychologically. Has anyone else been through this? I was told that this was non-narcotic and non-addictive and I became more addicted to these meds. Than vicoden and percocet. Any advice would be very much appreciated. [:I]

Thank you,
Liberty
ONE PLANET ONE TRIBE!!

Bye for now. jayjay

[shank]

hi ive been on zamadol/tramadoll for about 4 years due to back pain recently i stopped takeing them for 2days on the 3rd day i had cold swets felt sick and had the most awful argument with a very good mate over nothing in fact it nearly come to punches i felt so bad afterwards has any one else had this happen??

[mpvt]

You're experiencing withdrawls.They should be gone in 5-7 days,good luck.....Dave

[Venus007]

This is to tennlady9598

I've been following your postings and was wondering on your progess with quitting the Ultram cold Turkey? I think you and I are in the same boat except I haven't taken the plunge yet to stop taking them. I'm afraid of the w/d. I'm trying to decide what the best approach is to get off of these, taper off or just go cold tukey. Someone told me about getting on "Suboxone" but I don't know what that is yet and I'm not sure if I can go in and see someone about this, I want to keep everything very confidential.

Please let me know how you're doing and what to expect etc; I hope that you suceeded in quitting, it is a terrible cycle we are putting ourself through.

Take Care to all who share this, let's support eachother

Vanessa

[tennlady9598]

Hey there!! Just wanted to let you know that I have been tramadol free for quite some time now. I had some relapes, and I came back quite nicely from it. I had to go thru inpatient detox in a sort of "looneybin" type hospital, lol. But it worked, they gave me clonodine, robaxin, immodium, valium(on a taper) and I made it thru. I am doing ok now, I take lexapro which i think is awesome, and lamictal, I was on lithium and just today he changed it to lamictal and i am glad. I hope you are doing ok, if there is anytthing i can do to help, please let me know, or ifyou just wanna talk. I will be thinking of you!!1 Much love

quote:Originally posted by Venus007

This is to tennlady9598

I've been following your postings and was wondering on your progess with quitting the Ultram cold Turkey? I think you and I are in the same boat except I haven't taken the plunge yet to stop taking them. I'm afraid of the w/d. I'm trying to decide what the best approach is to get off of these, taper off or just go cold tukey. Someone told me about getting on "Suboxone" but I don't know what that is yet and I'm not sure if I can go in and see someone about this, I want to keep everything very confidential.

Please let me know how you're doing and what to expect etc; I hope that you suceeded in quitting, it is a terrible cycle we are putting ourself through.

Take Care to all who share this, let's support eachother

Vanessa

LOve and prayers to all who are in my shape!!!

[mpvt]

That's great news Tennlady, you had quite a good habit (addiction whatever you want to call it) going there.There are always people looking for help here so stick around.Your experience is useful in all opiate addictions so don't just limit yourself to tramadol.Great news again......Dave

[14420]

How long will Ultram stay in my system? For Urine, Blood or Drug test? Thanks.[8D]

[shemp]

My wife and I both have been Tramadol users/abusers for years. My wife has a prescription for spinal fusion pain. When I was feeling bad she would say here take 2 of these and I would feel amazingly better. Soon I was addicted taking as many as 20 a day and got my own prescriptions.
If you want to quit get yourself a good supply of Kratom. I brew myself up to 3 cups a day and since I have been using Kratom I don't miss the Trammies at all. It was a little difficult at first but I think that it was more psychological than anything. The Kratom will also get rid of those awful withdrawls too. Withdrawl from the Kraton is slight but nothing like the Tramadol. I just wanted to post this to help you poor devils because I know what you are going through and this is what works for us.

[Venus007]

tennlady9598 Congratulations!

I am so happy to hear that you are "free." You are so strong.
Well I can't go to any in patient setting or "rehab" so to speak.
I have to find a way within myself to do it on my own in secrecy from my family. I do have friends I confide in so I am not completely alone. Soooooo, last week I decided to go see a different Dr. he gave me Ultram "ER" extended release samples which are 100 mg. each. Tramadol is 50 mg and I take about 8 of them a day. So I started on the ER and so far I have only needed to take 2 a day! My body feels different, I don't hurt or have any w/d symptoms which is good but I don't feel the energy ( high) that I do with tramadol and I could tell that my mind was wanting it really badly, I don't want to give in! I'm going to finish out these samples and see what happens and then I'll have the Dr. go ahead and fill the script. I'm feeling like this might be my answer to my being able to wean off. ( fingers crossed) I don't know......I'm in the dark here really , conjuring up ideas ::sigh::: wish me luck

I appreciate your story of success, it's such a big incentive for me, because I know I can be just as strong. Thank you and to everyone else that shares on here. Thanks for all your support.

Vanessa

quote:Originally posted by tennlady9598

Hey there!! Just wanted to let you know that I have been tramadol free for quite some time now. I had some relapes, and I came back quite nicely from it. I had to go thru inpatient detox in a sort of "looneybin" type hospital, lol. But it worked, they gave me clonodine, robaxin, immodium, valium(on a taper) and I made it thru. I am doing ok now, I take lexapro which i think is awesome, and lamictal, I was on lithium and just today he changed it to lamictal and i am glad. I hope you are doing ok, if there is anytthing i can do to help, please let me know, or ifyou just wanna talk. I will be thinking of you!!1 Much love

LOve and prayers to all who are in my shape!!!

Vanessa

[Venus007]

What is Kratom? I've never heard of it before. little bit about what it is and how to get it?


Thank you
V

quote:Originally posted by shemp

My wife and I both have been Tramadol users/abusers for years. My wife has a prescription for spinal fusion pain. When I was feeling bad she would say here take 2 of these and I would feel amazingly better. Soon I was addicted taking as many as 20 a day and got my own prescriptions.
If you want to quit get yourself a good supply of Kratom. I brew myself up to 3 cups a day and since I have been using Kratom I don't miss the Trammies at all. It was a little difficult at first but I think that it was more psychological than anything. The Kratom will also get rid of those awful withdrawls too. Withdrawl from the Kraton is slight but nothing like the Tramadol. I just wanted to post this to help you poor devils because I know what you are going through and this is what works for us.

Vanessa

[Oldwarrior]

quote:Originally posted by kittokat

I just don't get it. I've been on Tramadol for about 5 months now and I don't feel like it does a bloody thing. It doesn't get rid of my pain. My doc even said take it up to 4 times a day. I pop those pills like candy and I don't feel anything. I can't believe other people feel addicted to it, it really surprises me. But it works for others too? It gets rid of your pain????? I got some Darvocet now but still have my Tramadol. I have fibromyalgia and I just want the pain to stop. Docs worry so much about being addicted to a med than they do stopping your pain. Anyway, does Tramadol work? That's my question! I can't believe it works!

I understand what you are saying. Years ago when i first went into pain management i took them - NOTHING. I am now on Oxycontin (20mg x3 day). Yea, thats alot, but i have alot wrong with me. If you are in pain and these meds dont help, the pain is actually worsening your condition. Hard to believe, besides buldged disks and stenosis i have Fibromyalgia too. Took them 5 months to figure it out (2 of my doctors)...both laid money on Lupus or RA.

Go See a Pain Management doctor, they can help you where a REGULAR MD cannot/will not.

Good LUCK!

James

[frustratedwife]

My husband was addicited to hydrocodone for a year and a half. Went to rehab for 30 days to get off of it and is now on tramadol. i initially thought that tramadol was a "stronger ibuprofen". Is he achieveing the same high as he had from the hydrocodone? The physical effects, the "drugged" look is very similar to what I remember while he was on hydrocodone. When he first started using tramadol, he used 90 pills in 5 days time, however I no longer know how many he is taking at a time. I have only noticed a withdrawal one time. Does it sound like he must have a constant supply? Actually, I just remembered a second time he withdrew, he told me he was "sick" with the same virus that my son had. I am worried because I am reading that tramadol can be harder to get off than vicodin. We went through COMPLETE HELL while on and getting off of vicodin and I am not sure if I am up for this again. I have 2 small children that I need to be able to focus my energy on this time around......... I certainly appreciate any insight you can give me!

[Venus007]

Dear frustratedwife,


I'm afraid to say it sounds like he has addiction to Tramadol just as well. 90 pills in 5 days time is seriously over doing it. I do not think any Dr. would be prescribing that much at a time. If someone had that much pain then they would be on a morphine drip!

My opinion is he probably likes the energy high it gives him and over time you need more and more a day in order to feel that high otherwise you feel sluggish, fatigued, achy all over and if you withdrawal too long you do end up very sick with "flu" like symptoms and it's easy to pass off as the flu to your family.

If you say you have only noticed one or two withdrawals , he may have a constant supply on hand, even if it's not as many as he needs a day, you can avoid really bad withdrawal as long as you get “some” in your system. He could be "Dr." Shopping to get more than one Prescription or maybe he's buying them from someone. People actually deal "pills" now, that's a common thing these days.

Hydrocodon and vicodin give you a different high than Tramadol however both drugs effect your moods and can make you feel happier in a sense. I have also heard it is harder to quit Tramadol than it is the others. I have a friend who was addicted to Tramadol. She ended up swapping her dependency to Hydrocodon ( Loratab) and since those are no longer giving her the high she needs, she’s been buying oxycotin and methadone pills on the side which I hear is almost like taking Heroin.

Obviously it can escalate in to more serious stuff , so the sooner you get off them the better!

I think it will be possible if there is a support system to help you through it and be there during the withdrawals, depression kicks in really bad also so it's almost a good idea to get on some Zoloft or something similar about one month prior to your quit date. It helps believe me.

I am sorry it sounds like you have been through a long road with him once already. This is hard thing to go through on both sides.

I wish both of you luck

V.

quote:Originally posted by frustratedwife

My husband was addicited to hydrocodone for a year and a half. Went to rehab for 30 days to get off of it and is now on tramadol. i initially thought that tramadol was a "stronger ibuprofen". Is he achieveing the same high as he had from the hydrocodone? The physical effects, the "drugged" look is very similar to what I remember while he was on hydrocodone. When he first started using tramadol, he used 90 pills in 5 days time, however I no longer know how many he is taking at a time. I have only noticed a withdrawal one time. Does it sound like he must have a constant supply? Actually, I just remembered a second time he withdrew, he told me he was "sick" with the same virus that my son had. I am worried because I am reading that tramadol can be harder to get off than vicodin. We went through COMPLETE HELL while on and getting off of vicodin and I am not sure if I am up for this again. I have 2 small children that I need to be able to focus my energy on this time around......... I certainly appreciate any insight you can give me!

[r_summers]

I'm writing about my recent dependency experience with Tramadol. I'm 51 and smashed up my back and ribs in July 2006 after falling 30 feet during a fitness training exercise on the coast of Gower. The spinal team rebuilt my t4/t5 vertibrae and installed an implant to straighten the spine down to T9 (although I look a little bit like frakenstein from the rear, that is a small price to pay for being alive). Initially I was paraplegic but thank God I got my ability to walk within three weeks of surgery. I was given iv opiates initially and then tramadol/paracetamol/ibuprophen after surgery. Because of my worries about dependency, I stopped taking tramadol/paracetomol (400mg/4000mg per day) at the end of October, with the idea of taking just ibuprophen. The withdrawal symptoms were terrible; sweating, depression, crying episodes, anger, aches, intensified cramps/spasms in the legs, 'creepy-crawly' feelings in my legs/feet/hands was the worst. However after about a week these started to dissipate. Great, I thought! But that was just the beginning, because I then started to develop internal bleeding, and the GP instructed me to stop the Ibuprophen and go back on the Tramadol during the first week of November. It turns out that the internal bleeding was a result of infection, and after another month in hospital during December and three months on Tramadol/Paracetomol (again 400mg/4000mg per day) I've just kicked it again, but this time more gradually, first by stopping the paracetamol and then later cutting the Tamadol dosage by 1/2, then after a couple of weeks going cold turkey again. The symptoms were about the same; but this time no sweating fits (this could have been related to infection before). The general achiness, increased cramps/spasms and especially the 'creepy' sensations in the legs/feet/arms/hands were the worst (even my fingers were curling under muscle contractions). However this all seems to be dissipating after a week and, to me, the biggest indicator is the 'creepy' sensation, which is just about gone. I did end up talking to myself a lot and using some choice four-letter words at bedtime during fitful sleep periods which is totally out of character; there is definitely a mental and emotional dimension to this dependency. I don't know how long it takes for Tramadol to clear the system; for example, I've been told that Ibuprophen can affect the platelets of the blood for 4 to 6 weeks after usage, but I don't know what the Tramadol equivalent is; for me 7 to 10 days normally gets rid of the emotional and 'creepy' effects for me. I've always pushed myself in fitness terms and this issue would probably vary from person to person. For anyone contemplating Tramadol, there is often no better choice for moderate to severe pain relief, but be prepared for that 10-day roller-coaster ride after you stop!

[rorvan76]

I have been posting alot lately about my experience with tramadol(ultracet) and tylenol with codeine,so sorry if this is a repeat to anyone.. I do have legitimate back pain and migraines,so my doc gave me a script for tylenol 3 (codeine)..had 4 bottles total(60 pills each)..they were finished in a lil under 3 weeks..this is after i used my hubbys bottles of tylenol 4(codeine)..those were bottles of 40 pills and were done in a few days..so anyway,doc didnt wanna give the tylenol again,so he prescribed the tramadol-acetaminophen because he said with my past problem(vicodin addiction a few yrs ago),that this would be best for me..well i was off the tylenol for only a day,and then went right to the tramadol..bottle of 100 pills,with 2 refills.. i was done the whole bottle in less than a week,and have now been withdrawing since sunday..started on serax on tuesday when i finally decided to call my doc.. i finally slept 2 hours straight a few times last night..i know,doesnt sound like a big deal,but when u havent slept since sunday,and its now friday,its a big deal..im still restless,still have the sweats,and lets just say now that i have started to eat a lil,its not staying in long..sorry to be graphic,but hey,im sure its nothing new to alot of people on here.....so what i wanna know is,from what im reading where it says should only be used for short term pain for a week or so,why would he prescribe a bottle of 100,with a few refills..especially with my addictive personality.. they lie when they say they arent addictive..true,i didnt take as directed,but from what ive read,alot of people will agree that these can be just as addictive as "narcotics".. also,as i have mentioned on other posts,my true test will be not to refill my bottle when its available to this weekend......sorry if that rambled on

[mohamedfouad]

i am a 24 years old male , first of sheers for everyone who got off this drug and prays for others who in the process of it , me i have kindof similar experiance but worse ,i have immune system depression ulcerative colitis which destroyed my colon and rectum and had a big surgry removing my whole colon and rectum and they made me an internal bouch from my intestine and for sometime till bouch dry they made me an open in my stomac where i have external bouch till my internal one dry off.

i got prescripted on tramadol and from the instance i took it i found it giving me great help and energy as it is known of depressed immune syste, and ulcerative colitis it consume your energy and give you depression , so this drug was magic for me so i went on it couple of months taking muscle injections and was not long before i got addicted anyway it was time for the close of the bouch so before it a month i started the tappering which i will discuss how i did it in details after that , anyway i stopped it and no heavy w/d effects had.

my closing surgery failed and stayed in the hospital for 4 months doing 4 big surgeries to get me back on open external bouch again and doctors said i will have to be on external stoma for couple of years

ofcourse you can imagine in those 4 months with open stomac and 4 surgeries the amount of drugs they game me , i was tottally addicted again after i came out of hospital but this time on something called nalbuphine ..they say it should be used in w/d of moriphine but man it is hell to give up on it , so i went back on tramadol and replaced it and successfully i stopped nalbuphine but this left me on 10 pills per day and sometimes 14 pills of tramadol

anyway after couple of months i decided to stop tramadol so i did another tappering till reached two pills per day ( 2* 50mg ) then stopped it and no heavy w/d effect again

but again i have huge depression and pain ( i have a 3 cm hole in stomac which act like rectum ..disgusting) so after 3 months of stopping it i came back on it and this time reached the amount of 14 to 15 pills per day and been for 2 years now using it

i am trying again now to tapper it off but my depression and sadness and pain keep me from doing it , i am kind of frustrated again living with a hole in your stomac is depressing especially when you in your youth and can't marry or do anything...!

now for the way i do tappering for some reason i don't know if it is me only or if it will work with others too , but if you have a constant amount of tramadol enterying your body for example now lets say i am used on 14 pill per day ,then i start taking those 14 pills at a range of 2 pill a time 7 times a day then in two weeks i find out i can take 13 pill per day and no w/d effect and same thing i take the 13 pill at the dose of 2 pills not more and so by end of the two weeks i find out my body can bear 12 pills easily and no w/d effect

so on till you reach 2 pills per day here you can't tapper it more, no you won't be able to do it you have to stop it and believe me it is first day youwill feel just some anixious and then you are out of it , this worked with me twice till now and again will do start doing it next days for the third time

my problem is however is i don't stop comming back to taking it cause of my case of depression and pain ....i don't know what can i do i lock myself home and stay all day infront of pc doing programming i even became known in programming on net and do jobs but i am not happy in my life and especially knowing that i feel good cause of a drug even sometimes i feel worse with tramadol

hope anyone can benefit from what i said and still can advice me what can i do


sheers

[mpvt]

First off let say you are one strong person both mentally and physically.I would not say that you have ever been addicted,dependent for sure but you don't show signs of abuse and you are also able to come off the tramadol with little trouble.After all you have been through why don't you worry about your pain and depression.Surely you have earned the right to take tramadol after all you have been through.You are quite exceptional and you should be proud of what you have been able to accomplish at shuch a terrible time in your life.I salute you......Dave

[mohamedfouad]

First off all i am really happy that lot of people here support each other and share experiance to help others to get out of any problem.

Thanks Dave for the support , but still man i do fear by time when i cure i won't be able to get out of it dueto long period taking it !!.

When time comes and i do the surgery of closing my internal bouch and it succeed( prays for that) i will no more have any problem or major pain so i will for sure want to continue with my life and get married and so will need to come off tramadol by then .

i fear most this as i know there still many years to come before this surgery is possible to happen so if i kept on taking tramadol at this rates ( right now 8 to 10 pills per day at 2 pills a dose ) for lets say 7 to 10 upcoming years ( + two years i already taken them ) i fear i won't be able to come out of it when i cure ,and will be treated by then as a real addicted abuser which i won't bear , it is like coming out from a hole to a deeper one and i don't want that.

so that why i need the advice on what can i do and i know for fact that there isn't much that can be done about my case as both doctors and pharmaciest gives me tramadol easily as it is prescripted for my case normally even for who less than me in sever so it is a normal thing for them they even send me it home ,but for me i fear the most when time comes and i cure and i know they won't give me it by then and i won't ask it i can't do that no ,so what will i do by then .

also is there any kind of drug that have less addictive effects or that can be easily come off it ( sorry for that silly question but i had to ask it still )

the reason i still annoy myself about this eventhough i have the right and licence to take tramadol is the hope for better future eventhough it might not happen and doctors themselves when i ask them if closing can succeed in future they just say one must hope ( : that can give you idea noone knows ) but still i must HOPE i will cure someday...!

.. i had a nephew that died from cocain overdose and he died in a car with his friends and they threw him in some garbage place away as they feared people know about them too ( those friends some of them were relatives to him! ) ,so for people saying you can die when stopping it i tell them you better die while trying to stop it better than be found in some place overdosed cause the end of this thing is either two things first that you die overdosed second to be jailed and either of them will be a candle to your family and to you .

..so myadvice to everyone that is addicted/dependened don't postpone it to tomorrow act now before you die and remember there is always someone out there that will do anything to have your health/money that you consume in drugs so takecare of it and better to start tappering it while you have it than having to do it the hard way cold turkey when you don't have any....

[mpvt]

Well I can tell you this Mohamed that most people who take opiates for pain are able stop them when the pain stops.Sure they have to taper down because they have become dependent on them but anyone who has to take opiates for a chronic pain problem would have to do that.It's good that you're concerned but for now take care of the pain and take the pills as directed.I garutee you that if you take them as directed and only for pain then you will be able to stop them when the time comes.Good luck......Dave

[mohamedfouad]

Thanks Dave for replying , apreciated much.

Goodluck to all