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Suboxone and weight gain
i am on 8mg a day. since starting the medication i also have had constipation problems.
Originally Posted by cheekysod
Originally Posted by doddja
That is a common problem with any opiate and subs are an opiate. I promise if you will take six BIG tablespoons of Phillips Milk of Magnesia and drink several big glasses of water over a few hours you'll get better. Continue to drink water or a drink with water in it through the day. That is more than what the directions say on the bottle but it won't hurt you and you'll get relief. If not you'll be the first person I've ever seen that it didn't work for if you take it just like I said. After abusing drugs taking a little extra Milk of Magnesia is surely not going to hurt you and it works! Plus it's pain free, no stomach cramps whatsoever. I know this will help. God bless.
I am not a dr. My statements are based on years of experience and related education. Consult with the professional of your choice regarding matters of concern.
weight gain and suboxone
I have been on suboxone for 3 years i have never eaten so little in my life yet I've never been so fat. I,ve gained every bit of 45 pounds.All this time I've been wondering what the problem was being that weight gain is not listed as a side affect. Well I can tell you this ,this medication doesn't just make you gain weight it makes you double it.
hey weight gain is fine.babes with weight excellant.Plus,look at all the good things going on in your life now.
Originally Posted by Vaness1976
metabolic is separate case and weight gain is separate case. We can't link them directly but we can link them indirectly to some extent. And another thing is that whey protein is also useful to lose the weight.
Suboxone and weight gain
I have read through most of the postings within this thread, and I definitely feel your frustrations. I stopped opiates the beginning of 2011, and began Suboxone treatment. I didn't know what to expect as it was my first time entering into a Suboxone based recovery plan. Well, immediately after beginning the Suboxone, within a matter of three days, I got severely bloated, retained essentially all the liquids I consumed during that time, and got very constipated. The doctor had begun me on 16mg - evidently there's some "professionally cited" formula by which they begin your dosage based upon....I felt worse on the Suboxone than I did detoxing cold turkey, so after taking 16mg the first day (after withdrawing from Oxy's for 3), I didn't take any the second day, as I could feel it still in my body with all the crazy side effects I had experienced aside from those noted above, related to weight gain; and the third day, I cut an 8mg strip into 1/4's and took on 2mg, so I felt somewhat better that day. I immediately went back into see my doctor, but because I had been in to see him on a Thursday, he doesn't work Fridays, and the weekend came, I had to wait until Monday to see him. I shared everything with him in terms of what I'd experienced. (I won't prolong my feedback here related to other symptoms unrelated to weight but very related to Suboxone such as major anxiety, and sleeplessness)...My doctor told me to take what made me feel normal and we'd work on stabilizing my dosage. Although my dosage stabilized much lower than 16mg, my weight gain began right away, and continued to date. I too, have never had a weight problem, worn a women's size 4 at 5'9 my entire adult life, and always worked out regularly - at least 4-5 times a week, with 45 mins of cardio each time. In the beginning three to four months, my primary battle was finding a way to go to the bathroom, and I knew that if I hadn't gone to the bathroom in over a week, then obviously some of the weight gain was attributed to that...I was directed to try Miralax, Senna Leaf, and many other options, until I finally found a pharmacist who recommended I take Senna S (has to be S, not just Senna) - and said that many of his Suboxone customers found that this was the only thing that worked. So I've been taking that everyday, and am somewhat regular, BUT I still retain water all the time, and have to stay very conscious of taking Senna S at least twice a day or I will get stopped up again for 3-4 days. Anyhow, back to the weight gain, I was about to go insane because I continued to tell my doctors (I switched to an addiction specialist since I began Suboxone) that I was eating immaculately, working out hard, more so than before, and still gaining weight. All in, I gained about 25lbs over 4-5 months, then finally stabilizing at that amount. I was told to be patient and that once my body adjusted to Suboxone at a smaller dose (b/c I had come down on dosing over the many months too), that I would get back to my regular weight. Well, that didn't happen and it's been nine months now, and I'm down to 3mg Suboxone. My doctors also said, "well you know, that Suboxone will constipate you just like opiates do!", and I told them, the manageable constipation I had dealt with while taking opiates, was tip of the ice berg, compared to the CHRONIC constipation I continue to experience with Suboxone including major water retention. On top of this, I too now have high blood pressure, and NEVER in my life had I had high blood pressure. Actually, my blood pressure has always been low, like 90/50 ish. I refused to buy new clothes after all the weight gain, but ultimately gave in, because I've gone up two sizes after keeping some of my designer clothes for as long as ten years in my closet. I was forced to buy new clothes, or else look like some clueless fatso, with a major muffin top, and bulging buttons!
So I was relieved to see this thread and many others like it online when I did a search today, because my doctors continue to make me feel like I'm either imagining it, or it's something wrong with me, because I'm now getting older, etc. But I have relatives in my family way older than me that have stayed trim/thin until their dying day. I'm ready to come off the Suboxone as I now also have to take Clonipin for high blood pressure, and something for sleep at night. Thanks to each of you for sharing your experiences, although it was further frustrating to see some of the posts with responses similar to those of the doctors I have, which are health professionals who have never taken Suboxone and read from medical journals and other publications. But after so many people report the exact same symptoms, I personally feel that it's evidence enough to at least do what is ethically correct, and include such symptom/s in the prescription disclosures.
JMM aka Mama Cass!
I just started subutex a few days ago....I have noticed a decrease in my eating but no sugar cravings?
I'm afraid to weigh myself...YIPES!
Please tell me there is a difference between suboxone and subutex ......
Subuxone does make one gain weight!
I do believe that subuxone causes one to gain weight, and it should definitely be listed as a side effect - that it's not, is a very bad reflection on the company.
I see some people here theorizing that the weight gain and new cravings are not due to subuxone, but instead, as a result of coming off of opioids or constipation or lack of exercise or not having detoxified our bodies, or some combination of these. I strongly disagree. It's not YOUR fault you gained weight, its DEFINITELY the drug.
I've used subuxone for over 3 months for chronic pain and am looking to get off it as soon as possible as I have never weighed so much in my life, not to mention other side effects like being tired all the time, dreaming while sleeping, having very little motivation, and just having my senses be "dulled" - all these beginning after I got on subuxone.
First off, I have not gotten new cravings since coming off opioids (that I used for severe pain management,) my diet has only changed for the better, in fact, I start every day by drinking 40 oz of greens, and have been doing this for the past year. This ensures that my body "detoxes" all the bad elements on a continuous basis. It also ensures that I don't experience any constipation. I regularly do yoga and get an hour of fairly strenuous aerobic exercise at least every other day. I also have to get weekly massages for pain.
So as you can all see, I am practically a model of efficiency when it comes to physically, nutritionally, and mentally taking care of myself. Were I not on subuxone I should be looking and feeling the most svelt in my life. Instead, however, I am the heaviest I've ever been, none of my clothes fit, I have rolls I've never seen before on my body (I can't even bare to look at myself in the mirror for the first time ever,) and I have dark circles under my eyes no matter how much sleep I get every night (and I get 10 hours, it's just that subuxone makes it not very restful sleep.) I also have very little motivation, which is not who I am.
Tomorrow I am going to the pharmacy to get my lowered doze of subuxone so I can start tapering off so I can finally get off this drug. I am concerned about how my pain levels will change. But this is no way to live and I am hoping that all of the prep work I am doing taking good care of myself will put me in a better place with my fibromyalgia chronic pain, so I can manage with no DRUGS at all!!!! That would be my dream come true!!!!
Subuxone is a bad, bad drug, it steals away your life very stealthily and you don't even know it when you're under it's influence. I can't wait to be free of it so I can have my senses, my sleep, my healthy glowing face, and my in shape body BACK!
I feel your pain Mama Cass,
our experiences sound similar (if you'd like read my post from today,) no matter how hard we excercise, how good we keep our diet, it is impossible to lose weight on Subuxone. It puts me on high alert to know that such a serious side effect was not listed by the drug company and now I am wondering what else they have not listed. Because of this I can no longer trust this company and am coming off Subuxone immediately and returning all the "fat" clothes I actually broke down and bought, unlike you, lol.
Doddja, it's not your fault, it is Subuxone, not matter how much you excercise of how good your diet is, you won't lose weight until you come off Subuxone, see my post from today about my story, the extreme lengths I went to to lose weight, and how regarless all that, Subuxone holds me hostage with unimaginable weight gain.
as you can see many people in this thread are not eating candy all day and excercise, yet are still gaining weight on Subuxone. A clear message is emerging here - that it is SUBUXONE which makes one gain weight, not what people are doing or not doing. Why would people all of a sudden start laying on the couch and eat candy ONLY when the began taking Subuxone? That's rediculous and insulting to everyone here.
Hi there - I thought the same as robert at first I must admit cos I have just been using subs to come off methadone and have tapered down from 1mg to a sixth of 1mg and cos I was very skinny just assumed that I must be getting healthier. I have eaten fewer sweet food, more healthy food and not ate much at all really, started going to the gym, walked every day (in contrast to when i was on methadone) and in about 5 weeks have gone up three sizes. I ignored it to start with cos felt more awake and aware and brain less fuzzy but now I am starting to see that it doesn't make sense that I exercised less and ate sweet unhealthy things only when on meth but have put on so much weight on subs. So yes, I would say that it has contributed heavily to my wieght gain. I did a one day skip yesterday and will keep skipping. Should be able to tell you in about three weeks time if it makes a difference. Love Jay x
Originally Posted by tennlady3
Well im not entirely.convinced suboxone caused everyones weight gain
Cause I've been on it for almost 7 months now and I've lost over 40 lbs which I started at 200 I mean my dr told me myself that the reason I started over weight at.140lbs was because of my drug dependance and I wouldnt eat cause I didnt want to run my buzz do therefore my body stored.everuthing as fat after I got clean n started the sub therapt I eat right breakfast,lunch n dinner n I snack constantly n I run after my extremely active 3yr old n my niece I dont easy n sir I dont worry about my weight I eat.constantly so in three years ive lost.100lbs, n I've always struggled, I dont think about the opiates I hate them for what they are n I allowed them to do tio myself and family and life, I eat cakes n sw
eets n always have but I dont see how it can cause such significant weight gain, I was lazy before I just am a totally different petson, im actually healthy for the first time in years I know alot of ppl now on sub therapy since getting help.and they havent gained any weight either maybe try a support group, get out of the house,eat healthy and exercise best wishes to everyone keep up the good work it may be hard but worth it even if u put on weight >> tTALK to your doctor cause u could be suffering some form of depression or aniexty causing u to gain weight cause I had alot of agony n aniexty about my past n ehat I done n I got put on depression med to help me deal, Good luxk n god bless
I have a standing prescription for Suboxone to use when I need painkillers due to a chronic pain issue. Every time I take the stuff for more than 3 days, I start putting on weight. When I was on it for 2 months, I gained 35 pounds, but luckily, the weight comes off every time I stop it.
weight gain on subs and methadone
I've been on subs for a short time and haven't gained any, but I have stopped losing weight. On methadone I went from an undernourished 135lb to 260lbs. Depending on your dose they will slow your metabolism, cause you to crave sweets, decrease testosterone production and make you lazy do to not chasing anymore. As my methadone dose went down so did my weight. I walked off @ 12mg and 185lbs. My normal weight at 5'7 is 165lbs Im a MMA fighter and I fight @ 155lbs. Im currently stuck @ 185 have late night sweets cravings. I currently take 12/3mg 1 1/2 strips a day. I have noticed people with a high metabolic rate tend not to gain weight on any of these. Exerciser proper diet and rest will help. Remember drinking two cans of soda a day are the same as consuming 63lbs of sugar a year.
I've been on Suboxone for 6mos and already gained 30 LBS myself. I know wear a size 10 as opposed to a 2 a year ago! For me, it's more of a mental thing- I eat when I'm relaxed, and Suboxone makes me very relaxed. Yeah, it sucks gaining so much weight, but ultimately I'm a lot happier than I was before I went on it, even though I'm bigger in the grand scheme. God bless!
Originally Posted by Robert_325
Thank you for the good news about the Sub not causing the weight gain... I so respect your answers in this forum and really needed to hear this one. I am back on the Sub (after being detoxed too quickly in rehab) and was so afraid I'd put on 30 lbs after reading some of the posts in here. What you said makes perfect sense. Thank you so much for replying to this one. Take good care, Gracie
Hi I have been taking suboxone for about three years and have gained 40 lbs since I started taking it. I have done high intensity workouts my whole life and have always been thin, weighing about 125 lbs. I now weigh 165 lbs and have not been able to lose the weight. As a matter of fact, every time I get on the scale the number is just a little higher than the last time. I have been soooo discouraged! I decided that it's time to quit subs because I started looking up suboxone and weight gain online. The forums could go on for days! I know I should have quit a long time ago, but I am totally ready now. I took a tiny speck of a sublingual film two nights ago because I was literally tossing and turning and couldn't sleep and was so terribly uncomfortable. I was experiencing withdrawal symptoms. Somehow last night wasn't so bad. I can see a difference already with how I look in the mirror. My face isn't as round, I can see my waist, and my arms look more toned. It's unbelievable how just a couple of days off of subs can make such a huge difference. Now I just want to feel energetic again. I'm not sure why weight gain is not a on the list of side effects on the insert you get with the prescription, but it really needs to be. So many of us have been pulling our hair out trying to figure out what in the world is causing the weight gain and all along it has been suboxone.
yes, suboxone can produce some weight gain. i myself never gained more than a couple pounds taking it, but i do have several friends that all gained the kind of weight u are talking about while on the subs.
and yes, it's time u get off of it. subs are intended as a short term drug. addiction to them is entirely possible.
can u tell us how much sub have u been taking each day?
i can give u a link to the sub therapy plan that we use on the forum. basically u reduce the dose by 25% every 4 days or so. let us know how much ur taking and we'll go from there.
also u posted on a thread that is very old and rarely seen. if u could begin a new thread in either the "need to talk" section, or the "suboxone" section of the forum it will be seen by many others that will post to u and offer to help.
just go back to the main page and look for either of those sections i mentioned. on the left side is a box that reads "post new thread" and just click on that. name the thread and all there is to it.
i'll wait and see if u begin the new thread and then post the link for u.
u can do this and welcome to the forum.
Yes yes yes...I have always been 5 foot 95-110 lbs size 0-4. I've been taking suboxone for two years and I am 150 pounds...OUCH...its so uncomfortable. I have been tapering off and desperately trying to drop some of this weight. Several years ago I had a similar problem taking methodone. I simply couldn't tolerate that well. I asked my doc if the subs could be making Me LARGE. He admitted that yes this could happen. I know its a price to pay for recovery. I simply couldn't live on narcotics any more and quite frankly the subs been a blessing. Its been instrumental in helping get better. I am thankful to have kicked the narcs. I never ever want to revisit that again. I do have my life back full of hope and clarity. But yes I did gain a lot of weight. I am very health conscious and mindful of what I eat and exercise. Having danced ballet it was upsetting trying to do any exercise routines etc ( it was like my added pounds got in the way). It felt a bit disheartening... however its been a necessary obstacle on the road to wellness and I'm confident in time I will be back to my old self again. So hang in there everybody its all for the better good. God bless and stay strong!!
I haven't done any other drugs for over two years. Neither has my husband. I just wonder if there is any way that we could ever not have to depend on suboxone. Or are we better off staying with suboxone treatment. Also, have there been any findings of any serious (or non-serious) side effects from taking this medication?
Are People In recovery Learning Anything about addiction anymore????
Originally Posted by Robert_325
I accidently stumbled across this forum and I have to say I am thoroughly amazed at the lack of information. I assume most people who are on suboxone at one point had an opiate problem? It is prescribed for addiction to other substances too, but its mostly used for opiate dependencies.
Like Robert said, its a standing joke in NA that people "grow," but that's not in anyway exclusive to narcotic users. Alcoholics, smokers, hell even >>>>>>rs report extreme weight gain once they give up their vice. Has anyone ever seen an episode of Intervention? if they complete treatment 9/10 times they gain at least 25lbs, its so commonplace even comics mock it. (Amy Schumer did the funniest and most accurate although somewhat offensive.)
My point is, youre going to experience metabolic changes. Adjust your lifestyle to accommodate for that. The fastest way to increase your metabolism is to put on muscle. Start lifting weights or doing yoga/pilates. Im not talking body building, just a few pounds but I promise, if you gain 5 lbs of muscle, youll lose 5 lbs of fat and muscle takes up far less space so you get harder and shrink sizes.
Many times people lose muscle tissue when taking substances and they become "skinny fat" people. You don't realize by not taking care of yourself you've slowed your metabolism to a crawl. Fix that root issue and youll be fine.
My husband and I have both been on suboxone for seven years. He used >>>>>>; a lot of >>>>>>. He was in and out of over a dozen rehab centers etc. He was a body builder so when he was using he would lose weight and not in a good way. When I met him he was 3 months sober (I know I know), and he had just gained 25lbs. But his body fat percentage was 8%. He had to work HARD to gain that muscle back though, protein, protein and more protein and eghh exhausting workouts, etc. I think it was important for him initially to focus on something so he didn't relapse because that was more his issue, so he went back to the gym. Then he met me.
I was never addicted to opiates. I liked coke. That being said, I was supposed to be on a prescription for percs for my back pretty much for life. When I gave up the coke, it was pretty sensible I would just make the switch and abuse percs so I started taking suboxone. I find it 100x more effective than percs with inflammation & arthritis and Im on a VERY small dose. Ive been on 4mg for 7 yrs. I wouldn't recommend suboxone for short term relief, but im off topic.
So Here I am. I just came off coke and was the definition of skinny fat. Talk about being in a position to gain weight. People complain about the weight gain after getting off opiates, look at the cocaine users and I was a HEAVY user, but I had just started seeing this guy who was obviously pretty into a healthy lifestyle so I faked it and started working out with him.
Within a few months I had to have all my clothes tailored, I couldn't buy off the rack. My waist was too small but I had a shelf ass. (Think Jessica Biel but not that extreme.) My body fat was 17%.
I actually started doing ass modeling. I have ALWAYS had a sweet tooth. (that's an understatement, ive been an inch away from being diabetic since I was in kindergarten.)During that time I still ate sweets, plenty of them. Initially my new boyfriend was horrified that I was going to ruin all my hard work eating that >>>>, but I didn't and he got used to my version of "balance."
Its been seven years and both our weights have fluctuated since that first year in times of stress or joy. In fact the year I got put back on Adderall (2011), I gained 20lbs in 4 months. What am I going to do?? Blame the Adderall? of course not, it was me and my laziness and >>>>ty eating habits creeping back up on me. I don't need any judgements on the coke/amphetatmine bit either. I started doing coke because of certain reasons but I work with numerous professionals, I was five years sober and it may be my version of sober now, but I don't abuse anything or use anything other than as prescribed*
*exception, some doctors will tell you to take up to 24mg of suboxone at one time. THATS F**ING CRAZY!!! My doctor is awesome now and hes the only one to ever tell me to take it throughout the day. This is key. My husband is on 12-16mg a day but he NEVER takes more than 4mg at once, and he was doing levels of >>>>>> that should've killed a small horse. I take 4mg a day, but I take it 3-4 times a day (1-1.5mg/2-3x/day) Because of the fluctuations in energy/mood people describe consistantlty however it is released in your system changes and you have to divide it up to get through a normal 12-16hr day.*
My point is, and sorry its so long winded, is that you have to undo some of the metabolic damage you've done and you cant blame the suboxone. I crave sweets, but no more than always. My husband never ate sweets and he did for a long time after stopping the dope but hes gradually stopped. Unfortunately tehres not a whole lot of data on side effects of people stopping opiates cold turkey since most people don't and those that do tend to relapse, but the several that Ive spoken too that have gotten far enough into recovery all experience the same sweet cravings and weight gain.
People that quit caffeine and nicotine crave sweets and get fat too. Don't forget, sugar has been shown to have the same addictive effects on the brain as alcohol so its easy to say the suboxones making you fat but its not, its our human need to substitute one substance for another. Ever seen how many cigarettes the average detox/rehab center goes through?
Opiates are different than stimulants in regards to the physical withdrawel, but its the withdrawel of benzos and booze that can kill people. Benzos are a downer so your metabolism should speed up when you stop, and it does; yet people still gain weight because their desire to compensate superceeds any naturally occurring metabolic changes. There are virtually no substances/bad habits you can quit without the risk of gaining weight because of our behavior, not nature.
Anyone whos taken the steps to healthy meal planning and joined a gym, AWESOME! Stick with it as soon as your healthy enough to handle it and look at recovery as a total life makeover. DO NOT beat yourself up if you slip or mess up. Trust me though, and I have gained/lost weight my whole life (all at my doing), you MUST MUST MUST work on putting muscle on and strength training. You don't need to be jacked or bulky (look at Jennifer aniston) but that is hands down the most important thing in a fitness program. If you do just 15 min of strength training a day 4 days a week, you will feel the difference and want to do more, you just need that first step to get in an upwards cycle.
Cardio is important to lose weight but chances are if you haven't worked out in a while you'll get your heart rate up high enough doing some form of calisthenics/anaroebic workout that youll maintain your current shape (as long as you don't over compensate with eating). The cardio can come after when you've gotten in to a routine enjoying your healthy new lifestyle and sexy new you!
I am the first one to take a cop out when a legitimate one is offered, but blaming suboxone for weight gain isn't one. Even if it makes you want to change your eating habits (which it shouldn't, getting clean WILL though), that's an obstacle youre going to have to face in your recovery. I promise, stopping suboxone before addressing the true cause and learning how to deal with it, will only make the problem worse. Youll "magically get fatter" best case and worst case youll relapse.
You MUST assume responsibility for the damage down to your system and metabolism and make healthy changes to accommodate it. This is a very important stage in your recovery.
Suboxone has some long term effects but nothing overly serious. They just added a new warning label because in a study done with rats given 50x the average dosage equivelant testicular cancer increased 3%. So If you take 400mg a day every day for ten years, your risk of testicular cancer goes up 3%. Other than secondary issues (caused from decades of constipation maybe???) they haven't done that much conclusive research. I would like to ofcourse get off them but im on them for inflammation so who knows.
I have had a lifetime of good and a lifetime of bad happen since I started taking suboxone but none of that was caused by suboxone itself.
How long did you use for and if you don't mind my asking how old are you? If you were a dancer you no doubt have muscle memory and that would outweigh any "middle aged" muscle loss but you used narcotics so that cancels out that. (If applicable.)
If you were a dancer you probably have a "dancers workout" mentality. You already have the predisposition to have great cardio vascular health etc. My husbands ex was like that where she was a ballerina her whole life and always in great shape, but she needed to get her heart rate up so high to burn fat she would easily plateau.
If I may suggest, again, only because what youre describing is incredibly common without coming off opiates, let alone with; start lifting weights.
Every pound of muscle you gain burns 50 calories a day and takes up half the space of fat. If you have gone through the weight gain you describe I can assure you youre body fat has drastically increased and you've lost muscle too.
Your doctor is saying its the subs only because his patients all experience this but hes not comparing it to people who kick opiates cold turkey (there aren't many), as they ALSO experience it.
Start with 5 lbs weights and look up basic workouts, but NOT dancers workouts, you want to challenge your body and trick it into jumpstarting like someone whos never worked out. Your body knows how to "cheat" its way through dancing workouts and burn minimal calories. You've got to shake things up initially for maximum pay off, but quitting subs wont help unfortunately.....
In response to your dilemma.. YES, Suboxone causes weight gain. If it did not, this thread would not exist & I wouldn't have gained 40 lbs since starting the medicine 6 mos ago to treat chronic pain condition. It seems to cause water retention & change the chemical make up of the brain which causes a craving for sweets. I don't know why exactly. It does not necessarily apply to men, but I see it consistently in women. No, I was never a pill popper, but my condition caused my body to slowly become tolerant to opiate meds. Suboxone has saved my life by raising my pain threshold thus keeping me out of the hospital & able to function as a mother & human being. Before starting this medication I weighed 125. I now weigh 165. I believe the dosage is relevant to lbs gained (higher dose = more weight gained). Based on that knowledge, I conclude that some of the weight gained MUST be water retention. As everyone knows, women retain more water than men. If sometime knows the course of treatment for this (other than lowering one's dose), please speak up! I hope this helps.
Forgot to mention.. I do go to the gym, but since I'm disabled, I am only allowed a 20 min low impact cardio (elliptical, spin bike..). I ruined my body from over a decade of athletic training for bike racing/ rock climbing comps.