[killer-oxy]

Hello Robert and everyone. Beginning my new thread here to continue my taper off this drug. I am beginning tomorrow on 4mg. Hoping I can cope ok and the sweats won't be TOO overwhelming as they are for me sometimes.

I have hope BECAUSE of this forum. I doubt there is any other place online where we have access to so much valuable information and ROBERT!

I welcome everyone to share with me - I will share back and I have started this thread to listen to Roberts advice and coaching. NO room for error for me!

Best to all and let's kill this m-o-n-s-t-e-r together!

[intelmetal]

It's Intelmetal here. I am glad to see you have started your own thread, makes things much easier on everyone. This will also act as a personal journal for you. I have been where you are now, with the subs. How long have you been doing sub therapy/taper ? If you have any questions, just ask. I just recently finished up my sub taper, so if want good info better get it while it's fresh. I have suffered some short term memory loss, but still can piece it all together when needed. FYI, I consumed just under 22 8mg subs from induction to zero. It took me 75 days to do it. Clean date: July 19, 2009
Let me know if I can help. Your in good hands with Robert, he got me clean !
IWANTOUT

to live my life and to be free !

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by killer-oxy

Hello Robert and everyone. Beginning my new thread here to continue my taper off this drug. I am beginning tomorrow on 4mg. Hoping I can cope ok and the sweats won't be TOO overwhelming as they are for me sometimes.

I have hope BECAUSE of this forum. I doubt there is any other place online where we have access to so much valuable information and ROBERT!

I welcome everyone to share with me - I will share back and I have started this thread to listen to Roberts advice and coaching. NO room for error for me!

Best to all and let's kill this m-o-n-s-t-e-r together!

I'm glad to see you started the new thread. You'll get lots of support here from a bunch of people. Lots of us old oxy heads on this forum.

Just be naive enough to follow the instructions and you'll do well. I'm looking forward to you becoming a success story like so many before you. Stay in touch and we'll monitor your dose. God bless.

[killer-oxy]

Originally Posted by intelmetal

It's Intelmetal here. I am glad to see you have started your own thread, makes things much easier on everyone. This will also act as a personal journal for you. I have been where you are now, with the subs. How long have you been doing sub therapy/taper ? If you have any questions, just ask. I just recently finished up my sub taper, so if want good info better get it while it's fresh. I have suffered some short term memory loss, but still can piece it all together when needed. FYI, I consumed just under 22 8mg subs from induction to zero. It took me 75 days to do it. Clean date: July 19, 2009
Let me know if I can help. Your in good hands with Robert, he got me clean !
IWANTOUT
to live my life and to be free !

Thank you SO much for writing. I got on the subs in April - prescribed 32 mg per day! never did, couldn't *feel* the point. I just began this tapering about 2 weeks now i think? It's a bit of a blurrr. Also, I cannot have any wine to *relax* as booze is also a big no-no for me. I relapsed on that and I for all accounts should be dead...

I too have memory problems from all this.


I think I was using about 16 mgs for the first while, then cut it way back - no more than 8mg a day. I wish I had just stopped the oxy's....what a frigging mess. But thank you for your offer of help and YES, I am taking you up on it...so you can help me - be a part of my support system if you will.

I am a believer we should give back what we have so freely been given here and you are doing that for me now.

So - thank you! I'll be here....taper taper taper.....

[killer-oxy]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

I'm glad to see you started the new thread. You'll get lots of support here from a bunch of people. Lots of us old oxy heads on this forum.

Just be naive enough to follow the instructions and you'll do well. I'm looking forward to you becoming a success story like so many before you. Stay in touch and we'll monitor your dose. God bless.

I am just SOOOOO grateful for you ol' oxy heads.

I would be totally alone without you!!! and sunk......


XXX OOO

lol

lonely killer-oxy / night all.....

[purpledog]

im an old methadone head, so me and oxy, hell i hadnt heard of them till i got on here, but i am on 4mg of subs as well. just thought id pop in and say hi and good on ya.
man you were on a high dose at one stage ay. intel knows wot hes on about, less is more. when i was on 10 i kinda felt wired. but ive been stable, coming down slowly to 8 then week or so, then 6, and today was my first day at 4. it should be 4.5 but i am trying (as usual) to cheat my brain.
so good luck, and i will keep in touch oxy head, heh heh

good on ya
purpledog

[killer-oxy]

OK so 4 days at 4 mg. What is my next schedule please?

My internet has been out and I'm starting to get worried (again).

[sillygeel]

Hey guys and girls, whatz up? Are we jumping threads? OKey dokey.....I am exhausted and on the pity pot but I am still willing.....it is all good in the hood. Stopped chemo last Thursday and my infectious smile has almost come back. I will need direction on my last quest. I am determined to be clean off subs by sept 5. Robert do I have a chance? I am at .5 mg once daily.......JUST about stabilized. God is Good.....NAMASTE~ MY FRIENDS

[killer-oxy]

Originally Posted by sillygeel

Hey guys and girls, whatz up? Are we jumping threads? OKey dokey.....I am exhausted and on the pity pot but I am still willing.....it is all good in the hood. Stopped chemo last Thursday and my infectious smile has almost come back. I will need direction on my last quest. I am determined to be clean off subs by sept 5. Robert do I have a chance? I am at .5 mg once daily.......JUST about stabilized. God is Good.....NAMASTE~ MY FRIENDS

No, Robert told me to start my own thread here --to keep easier tabs :}

I am waiting for my instructions...wish I was where you are.....this is SO hard...and there you are sick on top of it all....geezz. What do I have to complain about??

Just a big baby I guess. What do you think my next dosage will be??? Just in case....I'm worried.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by sillygeel

Hey guys and girls, whatz up? Are we jumping threads? OKey dokey.....I am exhausted and on the pity pot but I am still willing.....it is all good in the hood. Stopped chemo last Thursday and my infectious smile has almost come back. I will need direction on my last quest. I am determined to be clean off subs by sept 5. Robert do I have a chance? I am at .5 mg once daily.......JUST about stabilized. God is Good.....NAMASTE~ MY FRIENDS

Sure you do. I think you can do anything you set your mind on. You've almost proven it here. God bless.

[killer-oxy]

Originally Posted by killer-oxy

No, Robert told me to start my own thread here --to keep easier tabs :}

I am waiting for my instructions...wish I was where you are.....this is SO hard...and there you are sick on top of it all....geezz. What do I have to complain about??

Just a big baby I guess. What do you think my next dosage will be??? Just in case....I'm worried.

OK - today took 4mg again....maybe a tad bit less.

Unless I am missing something - I saw your post to sillygel? but nothing for me and I looked and looked.

What should my dosage be now? I was at 4 mg for 4 days and today is the day I should have tapered down....but to What Dosage Please...?

Help?

[Robert_325]

Sorry! It's 3mg.

[killer-oxy]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Sorry! It's 3mg.

Hi Richard - Well what a night....I sweat so bad and froze that it was like a merry-go-round of weather changes...WTF?


Why is that happening NOW do you think?

Today is not much better but not sweating SO much..(Guess that's why they call them *night-sweats*...anyone know WHY they happen at night mostly?)

I feel like a limp noodle ....and to think after reading around here that I could feel this way for over a MONTH is just...well...practically unthinkable to my mind...which is pretty weak right now as it is.

[Robert_325]

Feeling like that for a month is a crock! We'll have you fine and you'll blow through this just like you're supposed to.

Sometimes the first day of a reduction can suck and then it's fine after that. Plus you're still at too high a dose to have many problems from the subs.

Talk to me this evening. Let me know how you feel then.

I'm going to go surprise Melinda and do something productive today ..... plant a new flower bed. God bless.

[killer-oxy]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Feeling like that for a month is a crock! We'll have you fine and you'll blow through this just like you're supposed to.

Sometimes the first day of a reduction can suck and then it's fine after that. Plus you're still at too high a dose to have many problems from the subs.

Talk to me this evening. Let me know how you feel then.

I'm going to go surprise Melinda and do something productive today ..... plant a new flower bed. God bless.

Ok Robert - I will believe you; as I believe IN you. I don't know why the sweating is back with a Vengance...unless I took less than I should have with the 4 mg...it is, for me, ridiculously hard to *gauge* the amount...I took a 4mg piece and took off of it what I would *guess* to be a 1 mg piece and put the crumb back and then split the piece left into two...for the 3 mg doses.

Then I made what looks like *sortof* an equal pile of 1mgs from an 8mg pill. So that leaves me splitting a 1/2 of a 1mg to end up with 3mgs for a day dose. But they really don't look all that equal to me as in REALLY EQUAL.
It looks like such a *guess*.

Is that right? I know I sound like a total mental case right now and I will tell you that I am usually not so *dense* but I have never tried to *control* my substance abuse in the past; my thinking gets all goofy just handeling the pills now and I feel So Stupid!

So...the sweating must be related to something else. Could it be the Gravol I've been taking to get to sleep...I don't know what else it could be...guess I better not take it and see what happens then...Benedryl helps sleep too. Is that bad to take to get sleep??

OK - I am just being a blabbermouth. I'll let you know how the night went in the morning...unless I'm up all night then I'll be on here I guess.

I hope you & yours are feeling better and that Melinda likes the flower garden. Flower gardening is one of my very favorite things to do...and did it on a Massive scale for many years...now... I don't have one but I will again soon.

So...this EVENING, as you asked, I feel very gittery and nervous, squirrels in my stomach, hands clammy and cold...want to take MORE sub to make it STOP...but I can't....

~~Marilyn~~

[Robert_325]

Try to relax! I know it's easier said than done sometimes but go back and read your post again to yourself. You're getting carried away .... you're going to "try to" do this, it's "sort of " this way, it all looks like a "guess" .... and all we're talking about so far is cutting up your pill into the proper dose. We haven't even gotten to any of the hard part yet , we've just gotten started.

Marilyn ... please have some confindence in what I'm telling you. I do this every day, I know what we're doing if you'll just trust me. Listen to this about cutting up the pills, I know it will make sense if you just think about it.

If you cut an 8mg pill in two equal pieces that's two 4mg pieces. Then cut one of them in half. That leaves you one 4mg and two 2mg pieces. Then cut one of them in half. You're left with two 1mg pieces, one 2mg piece, one 4mg piece. Set aside one of the 2mg pieces and get the remaining 6mg into as close to two equal 3mg piles as you can do by eyeing it. Don't make this harder than it has to be.

Let me know how you're doing tomorrow. Keep your chin up Marilyn, and it will get a little better each day I promise. May take a couple days to get off and running but if you stick it out with me you'll be successfull. It's a guarantee if you go along with me. I won't leave, I'll be here to prove what I say will work. God bless.

[killer-oxy]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Try to relax! I know it's easier said than done sometimes but go back and read your post again to yourself. You're getting carried away .... you're going to "try to" do this, it's "sort of " this way, it all looks like a "guess" .... and all we're talking about so far is cutting up your pill into the proper dose. We haven't even gotten to any of the hard part yet , we've just gotten started.

Marilyn ... please have some confindence in what I'm telling you. I do this every day, I know what we're doing if you'll just trust me. Listen to this about cutting up the pills, I know it will make sense if you just think about it.

If you cut an 8mg pill in two equal pieces that's two 4mg pieces. Then cut one of them in half. That leaves you one 4mg and two 2mg pieces. Then cut one of them in half. You're left with two 1mg pieces, one 2mg piece, one 4mg piece. Set aside one of the 2mg pieces and get the remaining 6mg into as close to two equal 3mg piles as you can do by eyeing it. Don't make this harder than it has to be.

Let me know how you're doing tomorrow. Keep your chin up Marilyn, and it will get a little better each day I promise. May take a couple days to get off and running but if you stick it out with me you'll be successfull. It's a guarantee if you go along with me. I won't leave, I'll be here to prove what I say will work. God bless.

Trying to keep my chin up. It is hard for me to put things in proper perspective being alone most of the time. I live alone, eat alone, sleep alone...I am just a very lonely person so my mind plays with me alot.

I try not to let it. This has been a very difficult year for me; losing nearly everything I ever held near and dear to me...then being attacked in a strange city where I ended up moving to.

Today I am just tired. Not much sleep, sweating and freezing all night. It began with freezing for about 1/2 hour at around 10 pm.

Anyway - I feel tired, weak...and that's about it. And Clammy!

[killer-oxy]

Monday - day to change the dosage from 3mg to now 2mg...is that correct
please advise me!

Really needing some incouragement here please too.

Marilyn

[RubyDean]

killer-oxy, glad to read your story and that you are making progress! keep it up, that is awesome. i have been doing this taper thing for some time now, and robert and this forum have been a great source of knowledge, support, and encouragement. so many great personalities around here, it helps keep it fun and painless. you are in very good hands with robert helping you. truly blessed actually, so don't forget that or take anything for granted. i know it can be confusing and frustrating at times when dividing these dosages up, but once you do it a few times it gets easy, and fun because you know in your heart you are getting closer and making progress. if you are at 2mg, and taper down 25%, then the next drop would actually be 2.25mg, but see what robert says. sometimes folks just go ahead and drop to 2mg if they are doing well enough. it makes it easier to divide them up too. regardless, stay positive and keep posting. you are getting close, and that in itself is the miracle working in your life. peace&love.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by killer-oxy

Monday - day to change the dosage from 3mg to now 2mg...is that correct
please advise me!

Really needing some incouragement here please too.

Marilyn

Marilyn ... I had you at 6mg not 3mg. You do 3mg and you'll get sick. It's 3mg twice a day. So after four days of that you drop to 4mg, or 2mg twice each day.

You just have to do this. You, just like the rest of us, made bad choices and now you're paying for some of them. You could be dead, seriously. Be grateful for your blessings. God bless.

[RubyDean]

damn, i get so confused when people are talking about their split dosages, versus the amount per day. such an important factor while continuing a successful taper. sorry for that. i didn't mean to give any inaccurate info. i really have a strong feeling this is going to be a great week for everyone. clean, not clean, about to be clean...we are all making progress in our lives. i just got laid off last week, and i am staying positive. this could be the door that i couldn't have opened myself. when we have family, kids, and get in a routine, it can be hard to make career changes even when we really want to...i am just so grateful to be close to getting off subs, staying clean, and loving my wife and kids. instead of wallowing in sorrow about my job loss, I instead finished my third step. I give God all the glory. We really help each other, all of us. Thanks to everyone.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by sillygeel

Hey guys and girls, whatz up? Are we jumping threads? OKey dokey.....I am exhausted and on the pity pot but I am still willing.....it is all good in the hood. Stopped chemo last Thursday and my infectious smile has almost come back. I will need direction on my last quest. I am determined to be clean off subs by sept 5. Robert do I have a chance? I am at .5 mg once daily.......JUST about stabilized. God is Good.....NAMASTE~ MY FRIENDS

Hi Lisa-Marie .... Just checking up on you. You continue to amaze me with your great attitude. I'm just wanting to know how you're doing. Talk to me please. God bless.

[killer-oxy]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

If you cut an 8mg pill in two equal pieces that's two 4mg pieces. Then cut one of them in half. That leaves you one 4mg and two 2mg pieces. Then cut one of them in half. You're left with two 1mg pieces, one 2mg piece, one 4mg piece. Set aside one of the 2mg pieces and get the remaining 6mg into as close to two equal 3mg piles as you can do by eyeing it. Don't make this harder than it has to be.

Robert, after you wrote the above-- I was already at 4 mg a day...If I go back and read whaen I asked what to do here and on the other thread you said YES - go to 3mg a day! I just re-read it...oh man! on the other forum where I wrote when you were sick and I think that is where it got all messed up!

That is the big problem with jumping threads but I didn't know what to do.

I do NOT know how it got it this messed up.

HELP!? Now what do I do!? I've only taken 2 mg today!!!

[killer-oxy]

...at my very first post when I Began this thread and then you will see why I am SO confused.

Please! yikes....anyway I just took 2 more mgs..... ?

~Marilyn~

[killer-oxy]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Sorry! It's 3mg.

It IS in this post - so, ok...am I confused and got it wrong or did you get me confused with someone else...? Or did I begin the thread wrong??

I don't know! I think there are only 2 posts to me from you here; in this thread.

You also told me I have ZERO room for error...so now, I mean I KNOW I followed the directions you set out...?

M

[killer-oxy]

...I've been re-reading...I've been at about 6mg since May 14th...and I DO believe that I DID follow your instructions dear Robert.

So...where did I go wrong??? I mean I didn't start the taper until recent when *I began it with you on here*.

I had kept my own slef at aprox. 6 mgs...cuz I knew I would run out back then and I also knew I could not get more--that is when we (you asked me) to count up what I had left and we started my taper...

Do you need me to count them again? I am holding at 3mg now (just barely)


Best - Marilyn

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by killer-oxy

...I've been re-reading...I've been at about 6mg since May 14th...and I DO believe that I DID follow your instructions dear Robert.

So...where did I go wrong??? I mean I didn't start the taper until recent when *I began it with you on here*.

I had kept my own slef at aprox. 6 mgs...cuz I knew I would run out back then and I also knew I could not get more--that is when we (you asked me) to count up what I had left and we started my taper...

Do you need me to count them again? I am holding at 3mg now (just barely)


Best - Marilyn

Marilyn ... I explained to you how to cut a pill up into 6mg doses, then half that into two doses for the day. Then I said to go to 4mg, or two 2mg doses. You're confusing the daily dose with the amount of each dose. You should take enough now to total at least 4mg for the day. IF you're feeling rough take 3mg more (going to 6mg) and we'll start doing the taper right tomorrow. But you have to understand the difference in the amount I tell you for a dose vs an amount for the whole day. Let me know how you feel in an hour or so. God bless.

[killer-oxy]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Marilyn ... I explained to you how to cut a pill up into 6mg doses, then half that into two doses for the day. Then I said to go to 4mg, or two 2mg doses. You're confusing the daily dose with the amount of each dose. You should take enough now to total at least 4mg for the day. IF you're feeling rough take 3mg more (going to 6mg) and we'll start doing the taper right tomorrow. But you have to understand the difference in the amount I tell you for a dose vs an amount for the whole day. Let me know how you feel in an hour or so. God bless.

You're confusing the daily dose with the amount of each dose....Ah Yep - it sure appears that is what's been happening. All along I have been thinking that *dose/dosage* is the Entire Dosage for the day. YEP.

So...when you said "Go to 3 MG" you meant TWICE a day...But why would I still be at that high of a dosage. I don't understand because it would then be far longer than 4 days at 6mg...?

Sigh...at least it explains everything now doesn't it!? Why I was feeling like ********pola, etc....sweating so bad...all that...


So...PLEASE tell me Tonight (if you are still here) how much to take tomorrow and for the following 3 days after that (or how ever long)...The Whole Daily Dose...as that was how I've been following this....

Still - that would have had me on 6mg/per day for over 8 days...

Oh well...Let me know; I'm thinking you will say 4mg for the entire day...? Or am I now to go down to like 3.5 mg because I have been at 4 mg for 4 days now already (maybe a tad more..closer to 4.5 mg per day for 4 days)....

You asked how I feel -- it is well over 2 1/2 hours since I took the other 2mg...

It *feels* like I took too much - taking any in the evening time is not a good idea for me at all. I feel a tad hyper; too awake for nighttime... I should not have taken those extra 2 mg that I did I am quite certain....(making a daily total of SIX MG)

Marilyn/

[Robert_325]

Marilyn ... Let's get this right so do 4mg for the day. Take 2mg twice during the day. Let me know tomorrow evening. Do that two days then you'll reduce to 3mg per day or 1.5mg two times a day. God bless.

[killer-oxy]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Marilyn ... Let's get this right so do 4mg for the day. Take 2mg twice during the day. Let me know tomorrow evening. Do that two days then you'll reduce to 3mg per day or 1.5mg two times a day. God bless.

OK, so After tomorrow (being Thursday is tomorrow) - I start 3mg for Four days, correct?

I am feeling Very nervous all day for no reason I know of. I also sweat so
bad last night it was sickening. I have No energy.

Hoping the rest of you feel better than I do or not worse in any event.

Marilyn