[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by bev49

Robert, PLEASE CHILL... I am not challenging your plan. Its a great plan. But of course, there are those "whiners" and the ones who "wont" stick it out that you refer to. It won't work for them even according to you. I would call the "whiners" people who are suffering more than their tolerance can bear and the ones who won't stick it out really just cant. People who are ready will be helped greatly by your taper plan. It is certainly better than any doctor's plan I've ever seen. But people who arent ready wont and since they can't just drop of the planet or die, they need alternatives. Of course I cant name names nor would I if I could. Thats just silly. Who knows what people do through a computer, especially people that have tapered and left the site. Please stop analyzing every word of every post I write. You are overanalyzing. There is room for both of us here, don't you think? There can be differing and divergent viewpoints. People are not morons or sheep. They can take what works and throw away the rest. You don't have to worry that everyone will naively follow me and my "slow and steady wins the race" nonsense that I share with Purple. It's just a joke anyway. People shoudl say what they think or feel here and other people will either accept it or reject it. People will and should make up their own minds anyway. I am not looking to "take you on" as you said. Perhaps you can make me "lose" but lose what? My ability to post? My connection to the people I'v connected with? I don't get it

I don't want to continue to hijack Marilyn's thread for this crazy nonsense, not only with you, but now with Mel too, who I've always had nothing but the most positive and good feelings for. This ******** is getting out of control. If you wwant to continue this in email, thats fine. But we will never come to a meeting of the minds as long as you won't allow me to say anoything that you don't agree with and then say its because i'm not totally tapered. I just say what I think and believe.

Marilyn, you go girl!!! You can do it. I apologize profusely for all this trite silliness. I don't even know what caused it or what its about. I'd rather focus on whats important, like you calming down and making the drop which you KNOW you can do. AND WILL DO.

Maybe if the day ever comes where you get clean and then try to tear down what others have built you will understand. But you are wasted space in my head. You've never been clean and if these people want to listen to your garbage about how to maintain a steady NOTHING then that is thier privelidge. Good luck at dropping maybe .1mg every six months because you like that and it works for you. That is a joke.

[psb1215]

Some time ago I remember reading about a very specifc suboxone taper protocol developed by (I believe) Robert on this site. Can anyone tell me where I can find this information? I am starting suboxone today or tomorrow, depending on how long I can withstand withdrawal symptoms. Thanks for any assistance anyone can provide me with this, the sooner the better!

[Robert_325]

Go to the following link for the information. Let me know if I can help. God bless.

http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html

[killer-oxy]

Robert - I hope your knee is getting better and your family is well.
Everyone - I pray you are getting clean and keeping on getting well!!

I tried to cut back to 2mg but just couldn't seem to do it!!

So...tomorrow - being September 11th I AM going to 2mg per day
NO MATTER WHAT.

Please talk to me guys and gals (Robert? if you are back around...)

I am glad that bev is OFF my thread; makes me feel my thread is like toxic or something! Not a post here since...hahaha (yikes)

Anyway - Since I never did get an answer about the codiene...I am Guessing that was NOT the problem because I am Still sweating and now not just at night but during the day too - soaking...

WHY is THIS? Is this just part of the TAPER? PLEASE explain it to me, no one has answered those questions for me - about the 8mg codiene and the mix and the sweating....blaa blaa blaa.

I am Trying to be as direct as I can

ROBERT - I now have 13 8mg subs plus 7 - 2 mg pieces and some *dust*.

Starting at 2mg per day tomorrow (I am done for this day)...do I have enough sub left and at this (what I feel is a Very Critical Time) juncture I am hoping you can be here for me a bit and tell me just what to do so I make it.

I am in the middle of MOVING from where I live too so there is a LOT of extra stress.

~Marilyn

[melinda7.5]

Hi Marilyn
sorry but that was kind of funny...
I think that is a great idea to cut back on 9-11...gives it some purpose...
something for them and for you...
I did the sweating thing when I was on the subs ...but I just had that hysterectomy so I wasn't sure if I was having hot flashes...
I think it was 50% subs tho...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[killer-oxy]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Marilyn
sorry but that was kind of funny...
I think that is a great idea to cut back on 9-11...gives it some purpose...
something for them and for you...
I did the sweating thing when I was on the subs ...but I just had that hysterectomy so I wasn't sure if I was having hot flashes...
I think it was 50% subs tho...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

Thank you for writing Melinda. Is Robert ok?

Yes, I thought of it being 9/11 and I also know that no matter HOW much pain I am in (and I DON'T mean just the drugs) that, as someone here said,

"There's always worse pain than yours"

and that is so true really...even when it doesn't hardly seem possible. I am just crying so hard....

and I still need some answers...please.

[melinda7.5]

Hi Marilyn
His knee is giving him a hard time ,but he is going to be on here soon...
are you OK !!! why are you crying...
I was just leaving the codien ? for Robert...what else you need to know maybe I can help...
Melinda

[Robert_325]

Hi Marilyn .... haven't felt good today with my leg, been laying down for a while. I don't think bev will be back on your thread. She just wouldn't let up and I got tired of messing with the negative nonsense.

Tapering again on 911 is okay. Don't be so afraid to taper. But don't do it if it's causing problems. Just take your time but keep making progress .... don't get stagnant that's the main thing.

At the dose you're at you should have enough subs if you try to stick to the plan. Obviously if you take them for too long you could use them up. But I think you'll be okay.

Tell me again about the codeine please. With all the bev stuff I think that I must have missed the codiene question. God bless.

[killer-oxy]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Hi Marilyn .... haven't felt good today with my leg, been laying down for a while. I don't think bev will be back on your thread. She just wouldn't let up and I got tired of messing with the negative nonsense.

Tapering again on 911 is okay. Don't be so afraid to taper. But don't do it if it's causing problems. Just take your time but keep making progress .... don't get stagnant that's the main thing.

At the dose you're at you should have enough subs if you try to stick to the plan. Obviously if you take them for too long you could use them up. But I think you'll be okay.

Tell me again about the codeine please. With all the bev stuff I think that I must have missed the codiene question. God bless.

Posts #31, #32, #34 on this thread are about the codiene ....you wrote to me inbetween but never said anything about it...??

On 2 mg per day now sub...september 11th - day 1 on 2 mg....Not going to stay more than 4 days--I have to do this. I have no choice....but what the heck am I supposed to tell people why I am sweating like a pig? I went thru early menopause 10 years ago and the people I know know that.

Night before last seemed okish (I got sleep) but last night I sweat so bad it was unbelievable to me.

WHAT do you think is up with all this sweating??? I NEVER sweat b4. I never sweat on higher doses...is this just part of the process do you think??? Please tell me what you think - I thought it was the accidential codiene but it isn't - it has been too long now..??

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by killer-oxy

Posts #31, #32, #34 on this thread are about the codiene ....you wrote to me inbetween but never said anything about it.

On 2 mg per day now sub...september 11th - day 1 on 2 mg....Not going to stay more than 4 days--I have to do this.

Night b4 last seemed okish but last night I sweat so bad it was unbelievable to me. WHAT do you think is up with all this sweating??? I NEVER sweat b4. I never sweat on higher doses...is this just part of the process do you think??? Please tell me what you think - I thopught it was the accidential codiene but it isn't!

Actually I kind of addressed it when I told you to settle down in post #33. Are you taking the coldiene now? Because that works on the same brain receptors as oxy, hydrocodone or whatever.

I read where you flushed the codiene so I sort of dismissed it at that point. Have never even thought about it until now. Let me know what's up (if anything) with the codiene. You should NOT be taking codiene for sure. God bless.

[killer-oxy]

...ok, so here I am on my thread asking you about how you and Robert got together....

Inquirying minds and all that and since you seemed ok with sharing that - I'd love to hear the story!

[killer-oxy]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Actually I kind of addressed it when I told you to settle down in post #33. Are you taking the coldiene now? Because that works on the same brain receptors as oxy, hydrocodone or whatever.

I read where you flushed the codiene so I sort of dismissed it at that point. Have never even thought about it until now. Let me know what's up (if anything) with the codiene. You should NOT be taking codiene for sure. God bless.

No - I never took it again after I said I wouldn't.

I am 45 years old, 130 lbs and 5' 9".

I was sober for 10 years with one slip in after 7 years.

Then I got into the oxy for about 3 years....

Just a lil' history again. I wanted to know if it was why I am sweating but it apparently was not why and so I still don't know - Is it just a part of this Process please?

[Robert_325]

Some people do sweat some with the subs. It usually lessens as the dose gets lower. It should get better considering the reducing you're doing. Let me know. God bless.

[melinda7.5]

Originally Posted by killer-oxy

...ok, so here I am on my thread asking you about how you and Robert got together....

Inquirying minds and all that and since you seemed ok with sharing that - I'd love to hear the story!

Hi Marilyn
I started posting on here last year in August when I was going thru my w/d
and started talking to Robert and wanted to meet him...So I flew down to Texas to meet him and we pretty much have been together ever since...
I had the Good guey story for ya , But someone didn't want me to post it so you just got the scaled down version...SORRY...
hope your having a good night...
talk to you soon, Melinda

[killer-oxy]

Originally Posted by melinda7.5

Hi Marilyn
I started posting on here last year in August when I was going thru my w/d
and started talking to Robert and wanted to meet him...So I flew down to Texas to meet him and we pretty much have been together ever since...
I had the Good guey story for ya , But someone didn't want me to post it so you just got the scaled down version...SORRY...
hope your having a good night...
talk to you soon, Melinda

That makes sense, I totally understand.

[killer-oxy]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Some people do sweat some with the subs. It usually lessens as the dose gets lower. It should get better considering the reducing you're doing. Let me know. God bless.

It isn't just *some* - it is TONS.

[get clean1]

Hello all
Percocet user for about 2 years, got up to 10 pills per day. Started suboxen on Thursday September 10th. Doc gave me 2 week supply..28 pills 8 mg..says do 2 per day. today is my 4th day without a percocet.
Took 2 subs the first day, and vomited, then felt better, i have felt fine since, using 1.5 per day. splitting it up into 3 seperate times throughout day. I want to completely stop as soon as possible, without sub withdrawel. i saw several posts about this and am still confused. The doc scheduled another appt for 2 weeks from 1st visit to write a script for lesser dose. Do you feel i need to get this, or can i make it work with what i was given. I dont want to feel any w/d symptoms and so far so good. What tapering schedule do you recommend, please someone help.. im done with pills forever

[killer-oxy]

...so...finally got settled and everthing sortof ok.

Still at 1 mg per day and have 5 8mg tablets left.

I KNOW I will suffer for this...for being stupid and staying at 1 mg for so long til I'm nearly out.

But what is done is done. Can't bring the pills back now.

Robert - if you are still here and still *hearing* me; please give me a plan to make this the least *hard* it can be for me...as frankly, I don't know how much I can take.

There are a LOT of things I never told you - but they are NOT about drugs; they are about my mental state and what happened to me that was so horrific and that is how this mess all got started. I didn't just *pickup* one fine day and say hay! I wanna be a fu**ing druggy....but I guess noone does - no excuses...just sorrow and pain...pain....pain.

ANYWAY - What do I do now Robert?

WHAT IS MY BEST COURSE OF ACTION RIGHT NOW GIVEN WHAT I HAVE LEFT?

PLEASE.

~

[Robert_325]

Start reducing by 25% every four days. You'll drop to .75mg from 1mg. Focus and just do it. It will work out ok. You still have enough meds if you follow the plan. God bless.