[kidmonster]

Hello, I've been on Sub for a while and thanks to Robert_ I've been able to step down from like 4mg to .75mg. After the first and second day on .5mg, I'm starting to feel lousy.. . I sure don't want to do anything to mess up my progress, but with a small child to entertain, I could use some relief..

Also does anyone have experience trying to cut the 8mg orange stop sign shaped pills down to 1mg or less? Thanks you guys.

[Damale]

I have always been told that unless they are scored then the process with which they are made does not allow for a pure or 'steady' dosage and is meant to be taken as a whole. Did that make sense?

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by kidmonster

Hello, I've been on Sub for a while and thanks to Robert_ I've been able to step down from like 4mg to .75mg. After the first and second day on .5mg, I'm starting to feel lousy.. . I sure don't want to do anything to mess up my progress, but with a small child to entertain, I could use some relief..

Also does anyone have experience trying to cut the 8mg orange stop sign shaped pills down to 1mg or less? Thanks you guys.

Cutting those pills is a guessing game bottom line. You've got to estimate it, but you can get it close enough for our purposes doing it that way. In worst case scenario you can take a 2mg piece, 1/4 of a pill, and crush it. Then divide it into four equal piles and you'll have .5mg in each pile. Crease a piece of paper, then pour the .5mg of crushed powder under your tongue and that will work. I know it's a hassle but hey, whatever it takes right?

I'm glad you're being successful at lowering your dose to .75mg. That is great news. But when you dropped from .75mg to .5mg and started having w/d symptoms on the second day it just means you need to take a .25mg sliver and try it again tomorrow at .5mg. At these really small doses sometimes it's a little tough. You try it again at .5mg tomorrow and if this happens again you take another .25mg sliver. Usually by after a couple times of doing this your body will get acclimated to the smaller dose and you'll be okay again.

You're so close to being done with this. Hang on just a little longer and work with the slivers and you'll get past this I promise. Keep me posted and I'll hang with you through this till the end when you are totally off everything. Let me know how you're doing. God bless.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Damale

I have always been told that unless they are scored then the process with which they are made does not allow for a pure or 'steady' dosage and is meant to be taken as a whole. Did that make sense?

We've all heard the same thing you're saying and yes it makes sense. I promise you however that we've been doing tapers and cutting these pills up for a long time into .25mg pieces and they work. I've even had people crush a piece and divide the piles into little small doses and they work. I know that sounds crazy but it works. You can read around the forum and see the enormous number of suboxone threads and everyone cuts the pills up and it's done successfully.

You never want to cut up a time released pill like an oxycontin. There ARE some pills that you JUST DON'T CUT. You're right on that one. But it's okay to cut up the suboxone. They will work fine. God bless.

[kidmonster]

Yes, I thought about that, (crushing 2 mg and splitting the piles of sand) that should work just fine. I'll play around with the piles until the 2mg is two piles of 1mg, then split that pile of dust to (2) .5 mg. Awsome. I'll keep ya posted. By the way, I'm russ the same guy who emails, I just finally figured out how to post!

[Robert_325]

Hey Russ .... glad you are on here. It's so much easier on me doing this on the forum rather than the emails too. Hang in there. God bless.

[kidmonster]

Great. Yes I also think going to NA meetings, especialy the ones that is biblical based, though any type of meeting in which all are working toward a common goal is paramount.

I felt a little guilty taking extra sub last night, but it did clear the negative symptoms almost immediately, as Robert has stated. Today I'm back to half a milligram of sub and we'll see how it goes. I NEVER thought I would be able to cope with this small of an amount!
I tried to stop suboxone many times and have failed. This time I'm further and steadier then ever. .

[Robert_325]

I agree totally about the meetings. The best place to go for a Christ-based recovery program is to google Celebrate Recovery. You can find local meetings there in your area. I go to Celebrate Recovery as well as an occasional NA meeting. But the ratio of those in Celebrate Recovery who are clean after a year is quite a bit higher than in traditional recovery programs. I don't want to argue that fact with anyone, it's just the facts. All meetings are better than none. God bless.

[kidmonster]

Day 1 of the .5mg/day went well. Day 2 of .5mg/day was not so good and I took another sliver later that day. Day 3, .5mg/day went good, now on Day 4 I took .5mg this morning, now in the afternoon I'm starting to feel lousy, but will try to make it until tomorrow. If/When I make it to tomorrow without a sliver, I guess I should try just .5mg again? Perhaps I should aim for 5 days in a row of .5mg before I try to skip a day?
thanks

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by kidmonster

Day 1 of the .5mg/day went well. Day 2 of .5mg/day was not so good and I took another sliver later that day. Day 3, .5mg/day went good, now on Day 4 I took .5mg this morning, now in the afternoon I'm starting to feel lousy, but will try to make it until tomorrow. If/When I make it to tomorrow without a sliver, I guess I should try just .5mg again? Perhaps I should aim for 5 days in a row of .5mg before I try to skip a day?
thanks

Remember that you were on subs for a long time, much longer than what I think is necessary, but that's beside the point now. Doesn't matter how I feel about that at this point. But the point is that you may need five days, even six days wouldn't be too long between reductions, especially at these very low doses. You're getting near the end of this and your brain is trying its hardest to convince you to keep taking them with causing you to feel the w/d symptoms.

You've got three years in this, a little longer really doesn't matter as long as the end result is the same ... you being clean! You know how you feel. Don't hesitate at all to spend a little extra time at .5mg before reducing or skipping if you feel like it will help you be more confident and relaxed finishing this up. You're doing great and you are almost down to the end. God bless.

[kidmonster]

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But when you dropped from .75mg to .5mg and started having w/d symptoms on the second day it just means you need to take a .25mg sliver and try it again tomorrow at .5mg. At these really small doses sometimes it's a little tough. You try it again at .5mg tomorrow and if this happens again you take another .25mg sliver. Usually by after a couple times of doing this your body will get acclimated to the smaller dose and you'll be okay again.

Robert, I had last wrote when I did .75 for four days, then tried .5mg and after 1 day went back up to .75 (.5 in AM and .25 after noon).

I take .5 in the morning, then by 4pm I start to feel super tired and sad and take .25 and feel complete. Robert, would you think it would be best to tough it out and force myself to go to .5mg once a day? Or should I keep up .5/.25 split until it gets more comfortable? Any help is appreciated.

[Robert_325]

[QUOTE=kidmonster;233118]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

But when you dropped from .75mg to .5mg and started having w/d symptoms on the second day it just means you need to take a .25mg sliver and try it again tomorrow at .5mg. At these really small doses sometimes it's a little tough. You try it again at .5mg tomorrow and if this happens again you take another .25mg sliver. Usually by after a couple times of doing this your body will get acclimated to the smaller dose and you'll be okay again.

Robert, I had last wrote when I did .75 for four days, then tried .5mg and after 1 day went back up to .75 (.5 in AM and .25 after noon).

I take .5 in the morning, then by 4pm I start to feel super tired and sad and take .25 and feel complete. Robert, would you think it would be best to tough it out and force myself to go to .5mg once a day? Or should I keep up .5/.25 split until it gets more comfortable? Any help is appreciated.

Try a .25mg and .25mg split for a day. See how that works. I think after as long as you were on the suboxone it will be best for you to taper all the way down to .25mg before starting to skip days. And at the next reduction I will suggest eliminating one of the doses and doing it once each day. But for now I think the two .25mg doses is the way to go.

You can always add that extra .25mg going up to .75mg total if you have to. But I think just doing the split dose with .25mg each time will help. Your body is just wanting something twice a day I think. That extra .25mg shouldn't make THAT much difference much longer. Give that a try and let me know if it helps. God bless.

[kidmonster]

Your correct, my body does think it needs double day dosing. Anyway, great advice, will try (2) .25mg a day. thanks again