[amishgirl36]

My husband had been on Methadone for a year to get off Vicodin. Recently he was in a rehab, they put him on Suboxone for 6 days, which i know is an opiate antagonist. Also has an opiod in it. But, the way it works is, blocks all effects of and Euphoria from a narcotic. How long can he safely be on Suboxone?-

[Klonopinchick420]

Well this is alot better than the methadone program, as in respect on how long his treatment will be . The drug to block is the naxlone that is in Suboxone. I rather prefer Methadone anyday, but now these days it so hard getting of Methadone. So if you have the cash or insurance, get it done

KlonpinChick420

[mpvt]

Suboxone is easier to detox off plus you don't have to take it everyday.It is being used alot for people detoxing off methadone.The patient gets down to 30mgs of methadone a day then waits one day and starts the suboxone (subutex,buprenorphene)......Dave

Finally my pain is under control!!!!!!!

[dklotusjuggalo]

I just detoxed off of heroin with suboxone. It was a 4 day taper and took away 99 percent of the withdrawal symptoms. Don't go for the long term, get off that ****. Minor withdrawals. That **** saved my life. Hop it helps you...

[fenixfromtheashes]

suboxone is the miricle drug for detox,its actually two thing a opiod blocker/antagonist and an opiate or at least something that tricks your brain into thinking its getting opiates while the blocker not only rapidly detoxs you,it prevents you from relapsing....some people ive heard say it didnt work for the but they probably didnt take it right,you put it under your tongue and let it melt for about ten minutes without swallowing then no eating,drinking or smoking for 30 minutes and by the time that 30 minutes is up youll feel like a million bucks

[hollow]

I agree about the miracle drug for detox! I am using it to detox off a 30-45 hydros a day to nothing except suboxone, and it is working amazingly. I told my Dr. I want off it as soon as possible and he feels that for the best therapuetic benefits with less relapse, six months is something to aim for.

[mpvt]

Your Dr is right of course,the longer you stop abusing the better.It gives your brain time to reajust and reshape your mu receptors.Also, when your actively abusing narcotics you stop making endorphins.When you stop abusing it takes a while to build the endorphins back up so that your not in a depressed state.So don't worry about taking your time,I always say "you didn't become an addict overnight so don't expect to be all better overnight"......let us know how your doing.....Dave

[JACKIE0441]

MY HUSBAND AND I ARE ADDICTED TO ROXYCODONE 30MG. WE EACH TAKE ABOUT 10-15 OF THESE A DAY. A FEW MONTHS AGO, OUR DOCTOR PRESCRIBED SUBUTEX TO US. WE WERE THRILLED! THE NIGHT BEFORE WE BEGAN THE SUBUTEX HOEVER, WE WENT OUT WITH A BANG. THE VERY NEXT MORNING WE BAGAN THE SUBUTEX NOT KNOWING THAT WE NEEDED TO WAIT AT LEAST 24 HOURS BEFORE TRYING THE DRUG, AND IT SENT US INTO SEVERE WITHFRAWAL. WE MADE IT THROUGH FOR 7 DAYS AND FINALLY CAVED IN DUE TO LACK OF ENERGY, APPETITE AND WILLPOWER. WE EACH LOST ABOUT 10 POUNDS AS WELL. AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THE ONLY THING IT ALEVIATED WAS THE RUNS AND VOMMITING. NOW WE HAVE BEEN PRESCRIBED SUBOXONE. I HAVE A BOTTLE OF 45 2 MG. MY DOCTOR IS NOT VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE TO THIS MEDICATION, THEREFORE I REALLY AM NOT SURE HOW MUCH TO TAKE WHEN I BEGIN THE MEDICATION, OR HOW LONG I NEED TO WAIT AFTER USING THE ROXYCODONE, AND HOW OFTEN AND HOW MUCH I SHOULD TAKE AFTER THE INITIAL BEGINNING. I REALLY WANT THIS WORK BECAUSE IT IS RUINING BOTH OF OUR LIVES, SO IF ANYONE HAS SOME INFO ON HOW TO PROPERLY USE THIS SO IT CAN WORK. AND IS IT SAFE TO TAKE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME FOR MAINTENANCE REASONS?

SINCERELY, JACKIE

[andyisfree]

Jackie,

Bupe gave me my life back. I was a pill popper for about 6 years, got up to a 40 Vics a day habit, at least. My father-in-law, who was living with us, was a pain patient, but he just horded his pills and rarely took the prescribed dose. He literally had thousands upon thousands of goodies in his medicine cabinet.

And it all started from a headache, a half Vicodan for a migraine, and I was almost instantly hooked.

Anyway, things boiled over and I almost completely fell apatry last year. I'm a CIO of a large company and it was just too much, my family and work were suffering and I was suffering it was all ups and downs.

I went to see an APPROVED Bupe doctor who specialized in addiciton treatment. I've been on daily bupe now for about 8 months and its a miracle drug. I'm not going to detox anytime soon, I'm just not mentally ready, but I'm not stoned at all. I am perfectly clear, not depressed, and functioning great. Its given me my life back.

The dosing is very specfic to the individual. Generally, the instructions read that you are to melt one or more tabs under your tongue in the morning. I take 8/2 bupes, 2 per day. Heres what works best for me: I melt one whole tablet under my tongue upon waking, a half a tab just before lunch and a half-tab again just before dinner. Thats perfect and keeps me going all day long. There is no euphoria, but there is NORMALCY! It may not feel like its doing anything at all, but if you ever run out of it early (I've done it a couple of times) you'll still get sick, just not a quickly and not as bad, but it still sucks big time.

This drug works. Its not as effective for heroin users, especially those who shoot-up. For some reason they relapse a lot more on Bupe. BUT, if your addiction is from pill popping, this is THE miracle drug for you. You wont upramp your dose! I started at one a day, and over aperiod of a couple of months upped to 2 a day and here I sit, for many months, perfectly happy at 2 per day.

There is an approved Dr. list at SAMSHA for Bupe, find one of them. Many of them have counseling or do detox only. I'm doing Bupe maintenance, no counseling. I've been suffering from major depression for years and not a single antidepressant ever "cured" it, but the bupe has. I have not had a major depression since I started it. There is new research being done into the endogenous endorphine system and how it related to opiate addiction. Bupe is my antidepressant, and it works perfectly. The last 8 months have been the happiest 8 months of my entire freaking life (I'm 31 now). I really do not want to detox, I feel this drug is keeping my depression under control like none other. Even when I took TWO antidepressants at the same time (Wellbutrin & Lexapro) I still had long 2+ week bouts of major depression that would totally affect my behavior and wellbeing. Since I started the Bupe, not a single one. NOT ONE!

Keep at it ok? It wont feel right at first, its not the same, you wont get high. But you will get your life back.

[ginafl2]

Hi, I'm new here. I'm a Norco addict. I'm down to about 5-7 a day. I haven't gotten high for a long time and I really want to quit. This drug sounds like it might work for me. I found some doctors in my area that prescribe it. Should I call them? What should I say? Can you give me any advice?

[hollow]

Jackie, you probably already started the sub by now but when I started the Dr gave me specific instructions after carefully calculating how many I had taken in the last 30 hours which my last day I took 37 norcos and 3 the morning of my appointment. He checked my withdrawal signs and gave me a sheet to check my progress with a 'clinical opiate withdrawal scale' Took about 7 hours since my last hydro till I took the sub. Here is a condensed version. To score just add up the numbers to the left, you must be over 13 to take the sub. (I left out the 0's which is normal):

Resting pulse rate
1)pulse rate 81-100
2)101-120
4)greater than 120

Sweating
1)report of chills or flushing
2)flushed or observable moistness on face
3)beads of sweat on face
4)sweat streaming off face

Restlessness
1)reports diffucilty sitting still but is able to do so
3)frequent shifting and movement of arms and legs
5)unable to sit still for more than a few seconds

Pupil size
1)pupils possibly larger than normal for room light
2)pupils moderately dilated
5)pupils so dilated that only rim of iris is visible

Bone or joint aches (outside of normal pain)
1)mild discomfort
2)severe aching of joints/muscles
4)rubbing joints or muscles, unable to sit still due to pain

Runny nose or tearing (outside of cold or allergies)
1)nasal stuffiness or moist eyes
2)nose running or tearing
4)nose constantly running, tears streaming down face

GI upset
1)stomach cramps
2)nausea or loose stool
3)vomiting or diarrhea
5)multiple episodes of diarrhea or vomiting

Tremor
1)tremor can be felt but not observed
2)slight tremor observed
4)gross tremor or muscle twitching

Yawning (during assessment approx 60 min)
1)yawning once or twice
2)three or more times
4)yawning several times/minute

Anxiety or irritability
1)reports increasing irritability or anxiousness
2)obviously irritable/anxious
4)so irritable/anxious that assessment is difficult

Gooseflesh skin
3)bumps can be felt or hairs standing on end
5)prominent goosebumps

Scoring: 5-12=mild withdrawal; 13-24=moderate; 25-36 moderately severe; more than 36=severe withdrawal

The Dr recommended that I wait until I was in the teens to start my sub 8/2. I was a 7 at his office and about 4 hours later a 14, felt like ********, took the sub and within the hour out of bed and cooking dinner. Amazing stuff!

ginafl, just call and make the appointment!!! Just tell them you want the sub for opiate withdrawal. If the Dr is anything like mine, he will be kind, understanding and knowledgable. Do it NOW! Wish I would have a lot sooner than I did, the sub really has helped my pain also. I also have major depression somewhat alleviated by anti deppressants, the sub has worked wonders in this area, it's great, it's almost scary that I feel so good. I started with 2 a day and now am on 1 a day, this is day 23. Probably will go down to 1 every other day in about 4-5 months then maybe down from there according to my Dr. I understand the withdrawals are nothing compared to the opiate withdrawal...yay!

Good luck everyone!

L.

[Jonesing]

Once again i've called 2 doctors 2 days ago to talk about sub. NEITHER have returned my calls. I even sent one an e-mail yesterday afternoon. I asked the receptionist if they were able to take new patients for sub. Neither had a clue what I was asking about, but after 5 minutes or so they came back and said yes. The doctors around here (S. Georgia) don't seem very understanding or willing to help. I know if I want it I should do whatever it takes to get an appointment, but damn I wish someone would act like they give a fock that i'm trying to get clean. I ended up buying a few methadone once again.

Jonesing

[ginafl2]

O.K. so I called three numbers this morning. The first one was not a working number. The second said they cannont take anymore patients but told me to call back every 2 weeks. The third I had to leave a message and he didn't speak english very well. I will check the list again and see if there are any in the pleasanton , Ca area that is about 45 minutes away. Meanwhile I'm going to continue to try to lessen my number of pills. I've managed tu cut in half. Was up to about 10 norcos a day. Now I can get through the day with six. I started taking them too for migrains. Then I herniated my back in two places last year. I was even on duralgesic patches for a while. I have since had two epidurals and my back feels alot better most of the time. I'm getting married in October and we want to get pregnant right away. My fiance knows about the pills, he just loves me so much and wants me to be able to get off of them. He also understands how bad the withdrawls suck. I don't really get depressed just anxious, clammy, shakey, unable to sit still. I can only sleep for about 7 hours before I have to get up and take a half of a pill. Any more words of encouragemant would be great right now. If I can get the suboxone what can I expect. Should I get rid of my pills? What if it dosn't work?

quote:Originally posted by hollow

Jackie, you probably already started the sub by now but when I started the Dr gave me specific instructions after carefully calculating how many I had taken in the last 30 hours which my last day I took 37 norcos and 3 the morning of my appointment. He checked my withdrawal signs and gave me a sheet to check my progress with a 'clinical opiate withdrawal scale' Took about 7 hours since my last hydro till I took the sub. Here is a condensed version. To score just add up the numbers to the left, you must be over 13 to take the sub. (I left out the 0's which is normal):

Resting pulse rate
1)pulse rate 81-100
2)101-120
4)greater than 120

Sweating
1)report of chills or flushing
2)flushed or observable moistness on face
3)beads of sweat on face
4)sweat streaming off face

Restlessness
1)reports diffucilty sitting still but is able to do so
3)frequent shifting and movement of arms and legs
5)unable to sit still for more than a few seconds

Pupil size
1)pupils possibly larger than normal for room light
2)pupils moderately dilated
5)pupils so dilated that only rim of iris is visible

Bone or joint aches (outside of normal pain)
1)mild discomfort
2)severe aching of joints/muscles
4)rubbing joints or muscles, unable to sit still due to pain

Runny nose or tearing (outside of cold or allergies)
1)nasal stuffiness or moist eyes
2)nose running or tearing
4)nose constantly running, tears streaming down face

GI upset
1)stomach cramps
2)nausea or loose stool
3)vomiting or diarrhea
5)multiple episodes of diarrhea or vomiting

Tremor
1)tremor can be felt but not observed
2)slight tremor observed
4)gross tremor or muscle twitching

Yawning (during assessment approx 60 min)
1)yawning once or twice
2)three or more times
4)yawning several times/minute

Anxiety or irritability
1)reports increasing irritability or anxiousness
2)obviously irritable/anxious
4)so irritable/anxious that assessment is difficult

Gooseflesh skin
3)bumps can be felt or hairs standing on end
5)prominent goosebumps

Scoring: 5-12=mild withdrawal; 13-24=moderate; 25-36 moderately severe; more than 36=severe withdrawal

The Dr recommended that I wait until I was in the teens to start my sub 8/2. I was a 7 at his office and about 4 hours later a 14, felt like ********, took the sub and within the hour out of bed and cooking dinner. Amazing stuff!

ginafl, just call and make the appointment!!! Just tell them you want the sub for opiate withdrawal. If the Dr is anything like mine, he will be kind, understanding and knowledgable. Do it NOW! Wish I would have a lot sooner than I did, the sub really has helped my pain also. I also have major depression somewhat alleviated by anti deppressants, the sub has worked wonders in this area, it's great, it's almost scary that I feel so good. I started with 2 a day and now am on 1 a day, this is day 23. Probably will go down to 1 every other day in about 4-5 months then maybe down from there according to my Dr. I understand the withdrawals are nothing compared to the opiate withdrawal...yay!

Good luck everyone!

L.

[brndout]

Hi I just read your posts I had a habit similar to your that escalsted to heroin to avoid withdraw. Without going into great detail if I were you I would have someone hold your pills and wean you off of the Norco . Suboxone is a good drug for some people who have exhausted other methods but it is not a drug that you take and easily wean off of.If I could go back I would have weaned off the Norco .It may be uncomfortable but sometimes you dont really knowwhat uncomfortable is-its all relative. Just get off the Norcos now truly is a road to nowhere Linda

[clovelace37]

My husband's Dr. told him he may have to take it the rest of his life. Opiates kill your naturel opiates in the brain that causes pleasure. I can take up to two years to get those back. My Doc told me he wanted me on Suboxone for at least one year, then we would go from there. i guess every individual is different. Depending on what and how much you used. My husban and I were doing about 4 or 5 80mg. oxycontin each everyday.

[kidmonster]

Yes Subox can be a miracle drug for many that are stopping opiates. Through personal experience, try to stay on Suboxone for a small period of time under 1 month if possible. Sub can be extremely tricky to stop in some cases. The withdrawl symtoms can be rough if not 'tapered' or scaled down little by little.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by clovelace37

My husband's Dr. told him he may have to take it the rest of his life. Opiates kill your naturel opiates in the brain that causes pleasure. I can take up to two years to get those back. My Doc told me he wanted me on Suboxone for at least one year, then we would go from there. i guess every individual is different. Depending on what and how much you used. My husban and I were doing about 4 or 5 80mg. oxycontin each everyday.

Not hardly ANYONE needs to be on subs for a year. I was taking three times the oxy you guys were taking and I was on and off subs successfully in sixty days. Check out the following link. This is how I suggest using subs for most people. LOTS of people on this forum have been successful using this process as recommended below. God bless.

http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html

[itsmetoo2]

Originally Posted by clovelace37

My husband's Dr. told him he may have to take it the rest of his life. Opiates kill your naturel opiates in the brain that causes pleasure. I can take up to two years to get those back. My Doc told me he wanted me on Suboxone for at least one year, then we would go from there. i guess every individual is different. Depending on what and how much you used. My husband and I were doing about 4 or 5 80mg. oxycontin each everyday.

If you follow what the Doctor says to a "T" then you can get off of the Suboxone sooner. You fail and the worst thing can happen you will be on it for life or "be history." I know with both of you supporting each other. Success is at the end of the storm.

I wish you the best.
Margaret