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    Default Quitting Suboxone

    I haven't posted in a while because I didn't have much new to say. I jumped off Suboxone on March 9th while taking 8 mg. I really had no clue as to what I was getting myself into until after the really serious withdrawals were in full bloom and by then I DID NOT want to return and have to go through anything even close to it again. So now at day 51, I have begun to get some of my willingness and ability to do some things again, although I am still far from being myself. I STILL have a bad headache, but I am living with it without any drugs, which is what my goal was in the first place. I have ok days and I have bad days and I am struggling with depression for sure, but I do not have any suicidal thoughts and I want to be further away from this withdrawal before I seek any help from an MD that can prescribe something for it. I want to be drug free if I can, so maybe if my endorphines start being able to attach to my brain I will feel better.

    This has been one hell of a ride I would not recommend to anyone. If you are looking into suboxone to use as a tool (because that's what it is, a tool) to assist with getting off of opioids then read all about it before you begin. Have a plan to taper as soon as you can as prescribed in this forum. get support from other sober people, preferably in a program of your choosing AA, NA, or a Christian based group. Also, be very careful to start taking it as prescribed in the induction instructions on this forum. It is VERY important that you not take any more of this drug than you need to stabalize yourself. The Dr's have a tendency to give too much. NOT GOOD!

    There is a reason for everything. I have learned a good deal of good lessons going through this. I will never start taking any medication without first doing my due diligence homework again. I wish to thank all the people here that encouraged me, especialy Robert 325 and Melnda 7.5. I'm going to be here to help in any way I can.

    Donna

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddosher View Post
    I haven't posted in a while because I didn't have much new to say. I jumped off Suboxone on March 9th while taking 8 mg. I really had no clue as to what I was getting myself into until after the really serious withdrawals were in full bloom and by then I DID NOT want to return and have to go through anything even close to it again. So now at day 51, I have begun to get some of my willingness and ability to do some things again, although I am still far from being myself. I STILL have a bad headache, but I am living with it without any drugs, which is what my goal was in the first place. I have ok days and I have bad days and I am struggling with depression for sure, but I do not have any suicidal thoughts and I want to be further away from this withdrawal before I seek any help from an MD that can prescribe something for it. I want to be drug free if I can, so maybe if my endorphines start being able to attach to my brain I will feel better.

    This has been one hell of a ride I would not recommend to anyone. If you are looking into suboxone to use as a tool (because that's what it is, a tool) to assist with getting off of opioids then read all about it before you begin. Have a plan to taper as soon as you can as prescribed in this forum. get support from other sober people, preferably in a program of your choosing AA, NA, or a Christian based group. Also, be very careful to start taking it as prescribed in the induction instructions on this forum. It is VERY important that you not take any more of this drug than you need to stabalize yourself. The Dr's have a tendency to give too much. NOT GOOD!

    There is a reason for everything. I have learned a good deal of good lessons going through this. I will never start taking any medication without first doing my due diligence homework again. I wish to thank all the people here that encouraged me, especialy Robert 325 and Melnda 7.5. I'm going to be here to help in any way I can.

    Donna
    Boy you have had a hard ride I give you credit for not taking anything I can't imagine how you have felt....I wish you the best ...stay strong.

    I thought I did my home work but just not good enough .I had taken many different pain meds and was down to vic's ...well then my pain management doctor told me to tell my shrink to get rid off my pain ...I know strange but thats when I started on Suboxone 16mg but he did not do the induction part so I had precipitated w/d. I was also sick the most of the time. Thank's to
    Robert he got me down to a lower dose and went on Subutex b/c the Naloxone was making me sick ...Robert did tell me that this drug is not one to jump off on ....my doctor was going to drop me from 16mg to 8mg when I switched to subutex lucky for me Robert already had me at 8mg .Then the doc wanted me to go to 4mg for 1 month, then 2mg for a month . I asked him about w/d he said don't worry .....well thank's to Robert I found out thats was bull....I would have w/d .
    I'm now down to 4.5 as of today .... It's a slow process.
    I can not imagine stopping cold turkey ....however I did think about it but never new of anyone that had .
    I wouldn't be were I'm at if it wasn't for Robert and Melinda and the others on this site.
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    Default Donna

    It's good to see you back here and it's good to see you FINALLY starting to get a break on your w/d symptoms. You have been through hell.

    I was very worried about you for a while there. I'm happy you're starting to do better. Your story is a perfect example of why people need to do this the correct way. You're obviously doing better now and I'm glad for you. God bless.
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    Hi- I am new on this website.
    I have been reading up on Suboxone Withdrawals, and I had to join to give input.
    I am a recovering opiate addict (15 weeks and 1 day) - though I feel now like I am starting over. I started using Suboxone while I was in Detox, and the nurses were tapering the doses and what-not..But..When I left, my doctor wanted to keep me on it, one 8mg tablet 2x daily. I did not feel like I needed that much, so I have been taking only ONE 8mg tablet daily almost since then, skipping a day here and there.
    Well, a few days ago, I took a positive pregnancy test =] While this is SO exciting for us, I have had to quit suboxone cold turkey. Let me tell you, I really can't say that it is any better than being sick from other opiates. I have been feeling TERRIBLE. Cold, sweating, muscle jerking, sleepless nights, body aches, the whole deal.
    I am currently on Day 4 and am freezing and sweating, but the body aches are gone. I am posting this because, from my point of view, I believe I should have taken the 6 days I was in detox (which is more than a good portion of people spend- only talking about detox- not Rehab) and ran with it. I am so stressed .. I am so worried about what all of the pressure my body is going through might due to my baby.
    It doesn't help that I am also quitting smoking (a pack a day), coffee drinking ( I am in AA...so I drink A LOT of coffee - haha), and 200mg of Lamictal 1x daily. The withdrawals from Lamictal aren;t so nice, either!
    My point being, just from myself, if you are planning on quitting your active opiate addiction, suboxone is considerable, for a FEW days, but as far as long term, I really don't recommend it. It has helped, but I just feel like it is a "justifiable opiate" itself.
    The good news is...By The Grace of God, My AA Family, And This Website...I am 15 weeks SOBER today. And that I am expecting =]
    Thank you everyone for your posts and time. It really helps.
    God Bless!
    Excited But Stressed,
    Nikki

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    It's great that you've held your dose down. Sounds like you're committed at this. And CONGRATULATIONS on your baby!

    Listen to me here for a second! You need to discuss this in detail with your OBGYN. It's NOT GOOD to be doing a cold turkey opiate detox in pregnancy not even in the first trimester. I'm serious. You need to discuss this with your dr. You won't be the first opiate dependent mother the dr has dealt with I promise you.

    You should taper down VERY slowly not stop abruptly. I can help you. Let me know what the dr says. I know you don't want to do this the wrong way for the baby. God bless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrettyPinkRose View Post
    Hi- I am new on this website.
    I have been reading up on Suboxone Withdrawals, and I had to join to give input.
    I am a recovering opiate addict (15 weeks and 1 day) - though I feel now like I am starting over. I started using Suboxone while I was in Detox, and the nurses were tapering the doses and what-not..But..When I left, my doctor wanted to keep me on it, one 8mg tablet 2x daily. I did not feel like I needed that much, so I have been taking only ONE 8mg tablet daily almost since then, skipping a day here and there.
    Well, a few days ago, I took a positive pregnancy test =] While this is SO exciting for us, I have had to quit suboxone cold turkey. Let me tell you, I really can't say that it is any better than being sick from other opiates. I have been feeling TERRIBLE. Cold, sweating, muscle jerking, sleepless nights, body aches, the whole deal.
    I am currently on Day 4 and am freezing and sweating, but the body aches are gone. I am posting this because, from my point of view, I believe I should have taken the 6 days I was in detox (which is more than a good portion of people spend- only talking about detox- not Rehab) and ran with it. I am so stressed .. I am so worried about what all of the pressure my body is going through might due to my baby.
    It doesn't help that I am also quitting smoking (a pack a day), coffee drinking ( I am in AA...so I drink A LOT of coffee - haha), and 200mg of Lamictal 1x daily. The withdrawals from Lamictal aren;t so nice, either!
    My point being, just from myself, if you are planning on quitting your active opiate addiction, suboxone is considerable, for a FEW days, but as far as long term, I really don't recommend it. It has helped, but I just feel like it is a "justifiable opiate" itself.
    The good news is...By The Grace of God, My AA Family, And This Website...I am 15 weeks SOBER today. And that I am expecting =]
    Thank you everyone for your posts and time. It really helps.
    God Bless!
    Excited But Stressed,
    Nikki
    Hi Nikki:

    Glad that you are committed AND that you are getting support from AA...that helped me early on when I was in full blown withdrawals...it's kinda funny...but when I first started to attend the meetings I was looking so rough (black circles, unable to really sit still) that the meeting (without me saying a word) usually focused on me. They'll never know the impact their words had on me. Now I am committed to taking their advise and getting a sponser, doing the meetings and service.

    Anyway, what I really wanted to tell you is that my withdrawals did not even become paralyzing until day 7-8. If you go back and read my daily posts by double clicking on my name (ddosher) I give a pretty much day by day account. I do not want to alarm you...everyone IS different, but I was on the 8 mg myself when I jumped off. The suboxone has such a LONG half-life it doesn't even fully leave your system for 11-12 days.

    PLEASE, do as Robert advised you and call your Dr. so that you have someone on board that can help do the right thing for the baby. Congratulations honey and the very best of luck to you.

    Donna

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    Hi,
    Thank you so much for all of the helpful input.
    I am now into Day 5 and the WD symptoms aren't as bad. Still muscle jerks, freezing, restlessness. However, yesterday, I woke up at 5am, and did not fall asleep until around 5am this morning, only to sleep until 6:30am.
    I have been trying to rest and do whatever I can (eat protein, keep hydrated, take hot showers, drag myself to walk a little bit in the store - its raining here) to ensure safety and comfort not only for me, but for my unborn child.
    Dilemma:
    I called the Obstetrician, Her message was as follows: "Your psychiatrist. would know better which way to direct you with your medications, because he is much more familiar with them than I am. The best I can do is see you on Monday at your appointment. Bye"
    WHAT!! Well, I called HER because I figured she would know more about medications and what fetal harm they can or cannot do! So...I'll take it for what its worth and see her on Monday.
    I called my Psychiatrist and he said" If it is undearable, take a 1/2 of a pill, or even a quarter. It is not going to be easy, but only you know what you can handle."
    Okay...soo....Now...
    I am looking for some more input.
    PLEASE.
    I am on Day 5, and while it is not easy, I know I will do it.
    I want to be able to FUNCTION and get through TODAY with the 3 year old daughter I have.
    Any ideas?
    Thank you so much again! God Bless!
    Still excited & a bit less stressed,
    Nikki

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    Personally I think both drs are acting very unprofessionally. You DON'T need to be having w/d symptoms while pregnant. I promise you that an OBGYN who knows what they're doing will even tell a methadone patient to stay on it through the pregnancy and then taper the baby off very slowly afterwards. W/D are bad for the baby. I don't care what these drs say. I promise I'm right. I would not allow my wife to be in w/d and I would suggest you hammer the dr on Monday about this. If the dr doesn't know how to handle this I would find another dr who does. God bless.
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    Robert,
    You are so helpful. I wish this were more than a computer forum so I could really express my GRATITUDE.
    I do have a feeling that you (and my instinct) are right all along. I'm worried, and what does Monday bring?
    I am so afraid of miscarrying.
    Should I take a small amount of suboxone and taper off?
    Thank you again!
    God Bless!
    -Nikki

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrettyPinkRose View Post
    Robert,
    You are so helpful. I wish this were more than a computer forum so I could really express my GRATITUDE.
    I do have a feeling that you (and my instinct) are right all along. I'm worried, and what does Monday bring?
    I am so afraid of miscarrying.
    Should I take a small amount of suboxone and taper off?
    Thank you again!
    God Bless!
    -Nikki



    Nikki .... I think you should take some suboxone. If I read your post correctly you were at 8mg when you stopped abruptly. That is BAD NEWS for your baby I promise you especially at the stage you're at in your pregnancy. I know what I'm talking about. The w/d symptoms are much worse for the baby than the drug is. I can't believe what your OBGYN told you. That is just plain stupid on her part.

    I am not a dr, I can only tell you what I would say if you were my wife. If that were the case I would tell you to use a single edged razor, then cut off 1/4 of the 8mg pill and split the remaining 6mg into two doses. Then take 3mg immediately, or as close to 3mg as you can get it. Take that twice a day today, tomorrow, Sunday and Monday morning. Then go to the dr on Monday and see if your dr has any idea what they are doing with you being on subs while pregnant. If the dr is ignorant on the subject it would be best for you and the baby to find a dr who has experience with this.

    You need a professional with experience helping opiate dependent mothers. You're not the first woman to become pregnant while opiate dependent. This is NOT a matter of you hurting your baby if you are advised properly. But considering what your drs have told you I surely wouldn't put a lot of confidence in them. Sounds like neither one of them know anything about this.

    I would make some calls this afternoon and find an OBGYN who has experience with opiate dependent mothers. You find a dr who has experience with this and they will tell you just what I've said. The worse-case scenario for the baby is you going through cold turkey detox off the subs. That would be potentially dangerous for the baby.

    I think it's great that you're in recovery. You can still be recovery and do this too. Keep us posted and I wish the best for your family. God bless.
    Last edited by Robert_325; 05-01-2009 at 02:54 PM.
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    Thumbs up *RELIEF* Finally!

    Hi Again,
    I have felt so alone today. My family is away, hubby working, sponser gone(that is a story for a different day, too - haha) I have been home with my daughter feeling hopeless most of the day.

    This OBGYN is one I started with at the beginning of my first pregnancy, but I thought I remembered not "clicking" with her. But I had myself convinced I switched Doctors because I moved. Anyways, I am NOT going to share these beautiful 7 1/2 - 8 months with someone who does not have enough time, education, or heart to put into the care of myself and my unborn baby.
    So- I called the OBGYN I used through most of my pregnancy (labor, and until about a year ago). His partner called back - and he first said he didn't know much about Suboxone, only of Methadone. But he was so kind, and stayed on the phone with me while he looked up what he could. He assured me that I would not miscarry unless the possibility I became VIOLENTLY ILL, in which I would go the the hospital anyways. I felt a little better after that conversation, because he reassured me with much of what you (Richard) have.
    To my surprise, a few moments ago, he called me back! He took the time to call a high-risk OB specialist. And they said this:
    -This isn't something you would normally stop abruptly while not pregnant, so you probably shouldn't now.
    -I suggest discussing it more with the Dr that perscribed the meds as far as a tapering or maintenance plan.

    In conclusion, I reluctantly took about 2-3 mg of Suboxone (I did the best I could). I can function. And I feel it so much safer and comforting to taper this way. I KNOW this is enough, because after 5 days, I feel a little "high" from this small amount.

    Again, Thank you for your advice, support, and encouragement.
    God put you in my life today because I needed you.

    God Bless You Today and Always, Richard!

    Hugs From CT

    Ever-So-Grateful,
    Nikki

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    Let me know how you're doing tomorrow. Want to be sure the dose is right. God bless.
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    Thank you again! I will talk to you tomorrow.

    Goodnight, Richard.

    God Bless!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrettyPinkRose View Post
    Thank you again! I will talk to you tomorrow.

    Goodnight, Richard.

    God Bless!



    Not that it matters but it's Robert .... not Richard.
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    Hi ROBERT
    Sorry- I dont have a clue as to why I wrote Richard.
    I feel a bunch better right now. I am going to taper off. I do not want my baby to be addicted to suboxone, but I also do not want to put us through the misery of stopping 8mg daily all at once again.
    Headed to bed (to actually SLEEP!!)
    I will fill you in more tomorrow.
    Thanks again!
    God Bless!
    =Nikki

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    Just do it very slowly! That's the best advice I can give you if you're going to taper. A very slow taper will be so much safer for your baby than stopping cold. I know you see that now after thinking logically about it. I'm here every day if I can help you. God bless.
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    Unhappy Pleeeeeeaaaasse, help!!

    Ok, so I'm sorry if this title seems desperate, but that's how I'm feeling right now.

    My fiance is having withdrawls from suboxone. Here's the nutshell version of his story:
    He started using (and then very soon abusing) vicodin and then oxycontin about 2 years ago. A little over a year ago, he got off the prescription painkillers and was advised by his Dr. to take suboxone, one 8 mg tab 1x/day. He did that for several months, and then slowly tapered off. He was down to about 2-2 1/2 mg's per day in the last 2 months of using it. He weened himself off of the 2 mg's about 1 1/2 months ago. He has not had any slip ups and has not taken any form of prescription pain killers since then. (Thank God!) I have a few questions for you all out there and I'm PRAYING FOR SOME ANSWERS!!!
    First, he has been having some decent days where he feels pain in his whole body (he says it feels like the flu), and then he's had bad days where he feels excrutiating pain in his legs and his feet feel like they're in ice buckets. From what I've been reading on here, the half life is only (at most) 72 hours or something?? he's been off of them for 1 1/2 months!! How long will he be feeling these withdrawls?? He just keeps whimpering that he just "wants to feel normal again." I feel so horrible that I can't do anything for him!! Help!! Any answers on how much longer he's going to feel this way???

    Second, he's been taking advil more than the normal dose (he takes like anywhere from 3-5 tabs per day). Also, he's been taking sudafed (he says it somehow helps). A couple of times he was also taking Nyquil. In the midst of all this, he's abused alcohol a few times, because he says it temporarily "numbs" him from the pain in his body. Is he f*&king himself up even more by taking all of this stuff?? I'm no doctor, but I keep telling him to quit putting s"*t in his body so that he can heal. His poor liver and kidneys are already trying to heal!

    Third, I've been trying to do some research on here to find out what other "home remedies" are helping people with these damn withdrawls. I bought him some gatorade (which he's been drinking a lot of), some "vita-lipotropic" from Whole Foods (that's supposed to cleanse his liver), and also a mega B-vitamin supplement (to help repair nerve cells). Is there anything else anyone knows about that will work???

    Plllllllleeeeeeaaaasssee......I'm desperate here Any words of wisdom from anyone is so greatly appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to read this.

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    Have him follow the Thomas Recipe. This helps lots of people with opiate detox symptoms. Here is the link ... good luck and God bless.


    http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...wal-35169.html
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    I am new to this forum so please forgive me if I mess up or send replies incorrectly. I have to get into some program for opiate addiction. I was strongly considering Suboxone but I have read some horrible things about that course of treatment. I know I can't miss much work, have a husband and a child. Pain pills are ruining my life and I have to get off them but I ABSOLUTELY cannot suffer through w/d symptoms. I have been there and I feel like I'm dying for real. I am not at all functional. I have to choose a treatment that will allow me to work and be a normal person without feeling horrible. If not Suboxone what else will work other than Methodone with I don't want to do. I can't do this alone I have already tried. Any advise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by binda View Post
    I am new to this forum so please forgive me if I mess up or send replies incorrectly. I have to get into some program for opiate addiction. I was strongly considering Suboxone but I have read some horrible things about that course of treatment. I know I can't miss much work, have a husband and a child. Pain pills are ruining my life and I have to get off them but I ABSOLUTELY cannot suffer through w/d symptoms. I have been there and I feel like I'm dying for real. I am not at all functional. I have to choose a treatment that will allow me to work and be a normal person without feeling horrible. If not Suboxone what else will work other than Methodone with I don't want to do. I can't do this alone I have already tried. Any advise?
    Hello binda,don't let all of the negative posts keep you from at least considering suboxone.People with problems are the most likely to voice their experience with sub.It is rare that someone who has used it successfully comes back to talk about it.I was an addict for almost 6 years and I used suboxone for about 6 weeks and I had a fairly easy time considering the monumental task I was undertaking.In other words,I used suboxone,followed my good friend Robert_325's advice and it worked.I have been clean since last Sept. I have seen several people come and go from this forum that have also seemed to do well with sub.Good luck to you ! MM

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    Hello-
    Sorry that I haven't been on in awhile.
    I did take your advice, Robert.
    However, last Wednesday, I woke up bleeding - and went to the doctor, long story short- I have been undergoing a miscarriage. I finally stopped bleeding last night. It has been a tough week.
    Needless to say, I Have been taking 2 mg of suboxone once a day since last week, and am going to taper down to 1mg, then 0.5mg (if i can cut the 8mg tablets that small), and hopefully be done within a month or so -
    We may try to conceive again- but I have to wait for a full cycle to pass.
    Thank you for all of your advice, ROBERT =]
    And everyone else.
    Wishes for a joyous day & God's Grace,
    Nikki

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    Default For the record...

    Like musicman, I did find suboxone helpful- I just (PERSONALLY- ONLY MY OPINION) feel that I have been on it too long, so quitting is much more difficult.

    I DO recommend Suboxone to go through opiate detox. As far as a long-term maintanence program using Suboxone, MY OPINION (not fact- only my suggestion) is to get off as soon as you feel you can.

    Binda, click on Robert's link...he has great advice. And from testomonies, myself included, it works.

    God Bless.

    -Nikki

    (again, anything I say or have said in any of my posts is based on my own personal experience)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrettyPinkRose View Post
    Like musicman, I did find suboxone helpful- I just (PERSONALLY- ONLY MY OPINION) feel that I have been on it too long, so quitting is much more difficult.

    I DO recommend Suboxone to go through opiate detox. As far as a long-term maintanence program using Suboxone, MY OPINION (not fact- only my suggestion) is to get off as soon as you feel you can.

    Binda, click on Robert's link...he has great advice. And from testomonies, myself included, it works.

    God Bless.

    -Nikki

    (again, anything I say or have said in any of my posts is based on my own personal experience)
    I totally agree with you.The ideal situation would be to use suboxone only to detox with.Using it short term is best and people seem to do the best when used this way.There are some people who absolutely have to use it long term and this is better than the lifestyle associated with abusing pills or the possibility of overdosing etc.It is also apparent that long term users of suboxone have a more difficult time when tapering off though.Good luck you! MM

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrettyPinkRose View Post
    Hello-
    Sorry that I haven't been on in awhile.
    I did take your advice, Robert.
    However, last Wednesday, I woke up bleeding - and went to the doctor, long story short- I have been undergoing a miscarriage. I finally stopped bleeding last night. It has been a tough week.
    Needless to say, I Have been taking 2 mg of suboxone once a day since last week, and am going to taper down to 1mg, then 0.5mg (if i can cut the 8mg tablets that small), and hopefully be done within a month or so -
    We may try to conceive again- but I have to wait for a full cycle to pass.
    Thank you for all of your advice, ROBERT =]
    And everyone else.
    Wishes for a joyous day & God's Grace,
    Nikki
    Just an idea which we used when we were down to small doses. Take a 2mg piece, crush it and put it in a pile ,eyeball it and cut it in half so that you have two 1mg. piles. Make these piles into lines and cut each one in half so you know have four .5 mg. lines . When you take it just s********e it off mirror or whatever its on into a creased piece of paper and dump it under your tongue . When these are in .5 lines it is easy to cut it in half for a .25 and half again .12 and even half again .06 . You can use these smaller doses if you have to take a sliver. I always tried to keep my slivers so small that if taken then they would still be below my previous dose. Just a thought as it worked for us. Good luck!
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    Donna, how on earth did you manage to jump off the subs at such a high dose ? It sounds like suicide to me LOL. Do you have any tips for making the WDs easier to deal with, any supplements that are most important ? I am tapering as fast as I can, and will eventually quit cold turkey. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by intelmetal View Post
    Donna, how on earth did you manage to jump off the subs at such a high dose ? It sounds like suicide to me LOL. Do you have any tips for making the WDs easier to deal with, any supplements that are most important ? I am tapering as fast as I can, and will eventually quit cold turkey. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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    Donna made a huge mistake jumping off cold turkey. She didn't find this board until too far after she stopped. She went through a living hell for over a month jumping off like she did and she'll be the first to admit it. That's the same thing that will happen to you if you do like she did. Suit yourself but you had best reconsider your plans. God bless.
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    Robert, please do not think I was talking about cold turkey anytime soon! I want to follow your taper plan almost to the "T", maybe a little more aggressive early on so it might not be as hard towards the end when I have to start skipping days, etc. I want to give you an update on my progress, and get some feedback from you ( your the man ) . I am on day 3 @ 2.5mg total per day, I take 1.25mg @ 6;00 am and 1.25mg @ 2:00 pm and it is working for me so far. I only get ultra-mild WDs, but not a problem yet. I would like to know if there is any other way to get accurate doses other than razor cutting or powder into piles like Linda said she and her hubby did. Do they sell miniature measuring spoons (very small) like the ones cooks use ? Maybe a medical supply store ? Just do not have confidence in guessing dose correctly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. God bless you Robert !
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    Quote Originally Posted by intelmetal View Post
    Robert, please do not think I was talking about cold turkey anytime soon! I want to follow your taper plan almost to the "T", maybe a little more aggressive early on so it might not be as hard towards the end when I have to start skipping days, etc. I want to give you an update on my progress, and get some feedback from you ( your the man ) . I am on day 3 @ 2.5mg total per day, I take 1.25mg @ 6;00 am and 1.25mg @ 2:00 pm and it is working for me so far. I only get ultra-mild WDs, but not a problem yet. I would like to know if there is any other way to get accurate doses other than razor cutting or powder into piles like Linda said she and her hubby did. Do they sell miniature measuring spoons (very small) like the ones cooks use ? Maybe a medical supply store ? Just do not have confidence in guessing dose correctly. Any help would be greatly appreciated. God bless you Robert !
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    The only way to do this anymore accurately than what we've described would be with a very accurate scale. That could get costly. Scales that weigh such small amounts accurately are expensive. I know as I've bought lots of them in the past. No way a spoon would be as accurate as your eyes. Think what a small amount .25mg is. You could never get that close with a spoon.

    You would have to get a scale with a digital readout as even a balance scale weighing .25mg of powder isn't going to be anymore accurate than doing it like we've said. This isn't such an exact science that you have to be that close.

    If you eyeball it like we've suggested you'll get close enough. I promise it won't make enough difference to go buy a scale and there's just no other way that I know of besides what we've suggested. Just do your best and that will be close enough. God bless.
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    Its a controversial subject whether suboxone can effect an unborn baby. I did some things I regret doing last year when I was planning on having an abortion and was still using opiates and stopped using cold turkey when i found out it was too late to abort. My son is almost 9 months now and is the healthiest and smartest baby I know Im grateful for that. But i wouldnt suggest to neccecarily do that..Every persons body is different. I personally tried to get on suboxone but no detoxs would take me and i refused to have me and my son addicted to methadone which is the worst withdrawl out of any of the opiates. And who knows if they will take the baby away for that?? Im glad I didnt do the suboxone thing cus even tho i was pregnant which is y I didnt stop b/c i was told the baby would miscarraige , it only lasted like a week at most. And he is perfectly fine now.

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    Hello everyone I have never posted on here before but I am currently trying to stop Suboxone. I have been on 3 8mg tabs a day for 4 years now. After reading all the information I now realize what a high dose that was. Well a few months, 4 to be exact, I found out I was pregnant. It was a total shocker, not something that was planned in the least bit. I have always said that there is no way my baby would ever go through withdraw and that I would endure that pain before my baby. Well I started with a taper as soon as I found out I was pregnant and I dropped down to 8mg a day. It was hard for a while. Over a month actualyl and I still wasn't completely better but I had to do what I had to do. So then I was reading online this story about a woman who remained on 4mg a day while pregnant and her baby was born with severe withdraw and was in the NICU for 2 weeks. I cried for a few days about it because it really made me realize what I was to expect if I continued taking this drug through my pregnancy. So From 8mg a day I tapered down to 4mg for 2 days and now I am on day 2 of no suboxone. I am so scared because I read that the withdraw starts really bad on days 4-6. I have another child that I must take care of and a job that I must go to. Although tapering would be ideal I am just so affraid that it wont be in enough time to be off before the baby is born. So far I feel the withdraw some, it isnt unmanagable. I am having some anxiety, restless legs and hot/cold flashes. I want to try and stick it out as long as I can. Does anyone have any advice? My doctors are just plain stupid and until I find one that has any educated advice I must do this on my own. I have read Robert's advice on several different websites and he seems to be God send. If you are still out there do you have any advice for me?

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