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plz reply!! question anxiety&suboxone help!
plz reply!! question anxiety&suboxone help!
I posted earlier and no one replied.If you could help it would be greatly appreciated!! I am on suboxone. I have severe anxiety,panic disorder/panic attacks, agoraphobia, and trouble sleeping. Recently, my dr prescribed some ambien for sleep, and gave me an appt. In a few weeks to come back for some anti-anxiety meds. I have heard you cannot take benzos while on suboxone, but also have heard of people being on them while on suboxone. Perhaps they say they do no prescribe those meds to people on suboxone in fear of them taking too much of the benzo and overdosing because of their history of addiction. I need some medication asap I have been dealing with this anxiety for a long time and have never found relief, nor was I prescribed benzos for it, instead the doctors never listened and assumed that I was bi-polar, and from not receiving proper psyciatric care I was self medicating my anxiety with opiates, and eventually developed my addiction.I have been clean for a little over 5 months now, and have no cravings or desire to take opiates. That is why I waited for the suboxone to get in my system and help me with my addiction before I decided to ask for medication to treat my lack of sleep and anxiety. I am nervous because I want something that will give me instant relief, and something strong enough to relieve the tightness I feel in my chest and muscles from the panic attacks. I just can't take living like this for much longer!!! Does anyone know what my doctor may prescribe for me, or have any advice for me in general????? Would it possibly be a benzo? Which one, what type of dosage??? I kno its a lot of questions hopefully someone could give me their input on it! Thanks
Not many Doctors will prescribe benzo's and suboxone simultaniously. They have many interactions. I am living proof, luckily. Last year around this time my husband found me dead in our bed, lips purple, and not breathing (obviously). I had been going to a methadone clinic and was continuing on my meds from my GP. The methadone Dr. was clearly notified of my Klonopin and Xanax prescriptions, but still prescribed me 100 mgs of methadone. After taking my normal nightly dose of Klonopin (1 mg) I went to sleep, and never woke up. I was revived with naloxone and hospitalized for three days. Although suboxone is not methadone, the mixture of suboxone and benzodiazepenes, which are drugs such as Xanax, Klonopin, Ativan etc, routinely prescribed for anxiety, can be just as volatile as mixing methadone with these drugs. It's not a good idea. Especially if you have no tolerance to benzo's in the first place. If I were you, I would seriously reconsider. Some Doctors are just moron's, legal drug pushers. Others are very tight with their RX pads, and for good reason.
An overwhelming amount of anxiety is usually a symptom of an underlying illness such as Bi-Polar mania, so your Doctors are not too far off. Especially if you are also experiencing depression at the same time. Most likely they will want you to take Bi-Polar meds first. If they do start you on a benzo, it will most likely be a very low dose of Ativan or Xanax, if at all. Like I said, it is NOT a good idea to mix benzo's and sub.
Valerian Root, Kava Kava, GABA, 5-HTP, Tryptophan, Inositol and Vitamin B12 are VERY effective at controlling anxiety. Valerian root is where Valium comes from, and GABA does the same thing in your brain that Xanax and Klonopin do, without the addictive properties. If you routinely take these herbs and supplements, I guarantee you your anxiety will come to a screeching halt. A lot of scientific research shows that people who are anxiety ridden are deficient in the B Vitamins. Make sure you ask your Doctor before taking any herb or supplement, as some of them are just as, if not, more powerful then prescription meds, and may have interactions. They will not give you instant releif like popping a Xanax, however, my boyfriend suffered from severe anxiety for years. Night sweats so bad he would soak the bed. His chest would tighten in the same manner you describe and his COPD would act up at the same time. I put him on a daily regimen of the herbs and supplements listed above and after two weeks of taking them religiously he had no anxiety at all. No need for instant relief here and there. This also went along with talking about his child hood and working out issues that plagued him from his past with another person (me). Are there certain situations in your life that are causing these panic attacks? Can you see a therapist? Make sure you wear yourself out as well during the day so you can sleep at night. Are you exersizing a bit? Check your caffeine consumption, as well as sugar and carbohydrate. One cup of coffee after 6 pm and I will be up ALL NIGHT. Some people are very sensitive. MSG and Aspartame have been linked to anxiety as well. They are excitotoxins. Basically, they make the neurons in the brain fire off a lot faster then they should, in turn, causing anxiety. Are you drinking diet soda's? Eating foods with a lot of preservatives? Food manufacturers are sneaky. There are various ways they can list MSG and Sugar on their label without saying their actual names.
Another thing to consider, if you start taking benzo's, you will become addicted to them too, and if you think opiate medications are hard to come off of, try coming off benzo's...
I hope you look before you leap, and I wish you the best.
Last edited by rxqueen; 03-21-2008 at 12:52 PM.
Well the whole reason im on suboxone is becuz I was using opiates to self medicate. I had a really bad childhood with my mother being a drug addict herself and tormenting me, she also would bring me from doctor to doctor becuz I would 'bug out'. Most of the doctors would jus give me their trial and error of medication bull sh**. I started wit prozac at the age of 12 and hated how it made me felt. I have been on about 17 different meds half antiI-depressants and half bi polar meds. The docs were convinced I was bi polar becuz I talk fast and have slurred speech... and I kno I do that's one of my symptoms of having a panic attack. It took me a while and a lot of research to finally have faith enough to diagnose myself and I have been fortunlate to have found doctors that think the same finally instead of feeding me lamical effexor lexapro and risperdal. I was once prescribed klonopin but the only effects I remember were being drowsy cuz I was already using the opiates by then, no other meds worked so I guess u could say at that point I gave up. But I did get clean thanks so sub and I have been for 6 months. I didn't want any other meds in the begining cuz I wantd to get the full benefit from the sub. Now im ready for meds im at my psycologic end ... I have a therapist/counselour I see weekly and I attend 2 meetings a month (I used to do 4 a month), I do yoga and eat a good diet. And I have an anxiety specialist who does heomoapathic medicine (remedies), and rx meds. I went back to him for a visit and he prescribed me a new remedy and 1mg lorazepam 1-2 tabs 3 times a day prn (and yes him and the sub doctor know about each other). I have been taking it for a week and im feeling a little better it just seems to ware off quick becuz I have a lot of panic attacks throughout the day and I dnt like taking so many pills. But idk I feel better than I did be4 my issues r kinda personal with my anxiety tho. But thanks for ur opinon...
I just learned a h***-of-alot reading your post.Had to re-read it twice to make sure I got it through my thick head.
Many thanks for taking the time to break that down for us readers.More especially ME.
rxqueen's advice is excellent. Suboxone is an opioid, like methadone, so taking benzos w/it can be a thin line between feeling good, sleeping well... and never waking up again. Also, benzos lose their effectiveness with steady use and are horribly addictive. I was prescribed them off & on over the past 18 yrs for chronic anxiety & depression. I didn't like them, so I never knew much about them. I learned they are a nightmare to kick and their w/d's can kill. Check out some forums on them and "benzo withdrawal" on youtube. It's terrible.
There are excellent herb & supplement products that work great for anxiety. My fav uses a combo of herbs, some rxqueen already mentioned. When I was tapering off >>>>>>, it gave me a 'glazed' feeling which felt nice and kinda drunk (but you function 100% normal) AND it satisfied my desire to use. I felt like I was cheating! Plus one can pop a couple just to get over the high-anxiety moments, taking them as needed through the day.(As long as the maximum doses aren't exceeded)
If benzos are one's choice, using them minimally is best. Improving overall health and exercising works wonders. You force your body to make feel-good endorphins. (which means morphine made within) Going natural shouldn't be underestimated. Good luck to you and anyone else in this situation from someone who lives with the same challenges.
Last edited by shoreline; 03-25-2008 at 10:52 AM.
Stay the benzo's away ...
I too am on Suboxone and have been for quite some time (probably too long to be honest). The week before I first started using Suboxone I was found in a parking lot 2 feet away from my car passed out cold. I *remember* taking 120mg of Methadone, 48mg of hydromorphone, 160mg of oxycontin, somewhere around 3mg of alprazolam, and I don't know how much lorazepam. I am *NOT* proud of this at all, I am getting around to trying to make a point. It was not the combination of all of these drugs that made me 'fall out' I KNOW for a fact that I accidentally took a phenobarbital on top of all of this. I had just finished a heist and was celebrating it. This was the wonderful (and I mean that seriously, it saved my life) beginning of the end of my opiate addiction.
PRE-opiates my drugs of choice were marijuana and benzos. I was on Ativan and Xanax (legally) and abused the hell out of them. They were pretty easy to get on the street so I never seemed to run out. Then one day I did. And that was the same day that my doctor didn't believe that my pills were stolen or lost or any of that. Though there were physical withdrawal symptoms the mental withdrawal symptoms were THE WORST THING I HAVE EVER EXPERIENCED. I have been dope sick more times than I can count, but I would RATHER be dope sick 1,000,000 times than feel the way I felt coming off of benzos just once.
If you have an addictive personality (as I do), and can find ANY away around it PLEASE stay away from benzos. I have found exercise to be the best medication, and Tai-Chi has done much for me along with Aikido.
I will pray for you and pray that you find balance somehow.