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    Hi
    I'm transferring from methadone to subutex, coming from a relatively high meth dose (55 mg.). I think my doctor is fairly clueless, so I need some good advice here.
    From what I've read, I shouldn't have dosed with subutex so soon after my last Methadone dose. I took 4 mg. subutex 48 hrs. after my last dose of Methadone, which was a half dose (~27 mg.). My doctor, btw, told me I could take it after 24 hrs.! But at 48 hrs., it didn't seem to do me any harm. I mean, I'm sick no matter what - either from meth withdrawls, or from bupe antagonism - who can tell? Anyway, it wasn't any worse. But here's the question: at 60 hrs., after another 8 mgs., I'm still sick. Can I get my sick off by taking a much larger dose of subutex, or am I gonna be sick no matter what? I know how >>>>>> or morphine would work, but this stuff is different, and I don't know what to do. TIA!

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    The problem that I see here is you moved to buprenorphene from 55 mgs of methadone.That's way to high a dose to make the jump and that's why your withdrawling.At 55mgs of methadone you should need only a small dose of buprenorphene say 4-6 mgs tops.Don't underestimate the power of this drug.I have a opiate chart that states buprenorphene as 40 times stronger than morphine.Also buprenorphene binds strongly to your opiate receptors so it won't matter how much morphine or >>>>>> you take it won't work,you won't even notice you've taken it.You can do one of two things and that's 1) Keep taking thesubutex and weather the storm (could be up to a couple weeks).Or 2)Go back on methadone and get yourself stabile at 30mgs or less then make the jump over to subutex.Good luck to you and let me know how you make out.Hang in there......Dave

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    The reason I mentioned >>>>>> and morphine is because I understand how they work - you're sick, you take more, you get well. And they all work interchangeably. But the bupe doesn't seem to act that way, so I don't know which way to best alleviate my symptoms with it.
    Going back on methadone is not an option. I have to piss methadone-clean in two weeks, simple as that, so I have to deal with where I'm at. Any advice on how best to do that will be appreciated!

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    quote:Originally posted by matthewb

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    Just an update for the benefit of anyone who might have to go through this.
    I went through about three days of withdrawls, though the symptoms were not as bad as "cold turkey" would've been. Very, very uncomfortable, unable to sleep or eat, but not heaving my guts out. The fourth day, I felt much better, was able to eat, and got a fews hours of sleep, here and there. Upping the bupe dose seemed to make little difference in the way I felt. By day five, I'm still shaky, but no real dope sickness, perhaps due to lack of sleep.
    So there you have it. It can be done, (see first post for details), if necessary, but you will be sick some days, but not so bad as it would be without the bupe. I also think you should wait a little longer than I did, before taking the first dose.

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    I am happy to here you are making it through this challenge in your life I wish you all the best.

    I only wish to offer another option to people who may want to find another way that they so far do not know about. The bad rumors about "it" come from a miss understanding of what it is about and lies that come from people with vested interest, ie. 6 billion dollar a year pharmaceutical companies and psychiatry who are pushing these drugs for profit. Sorry I suppose that debate is for another Forum or thread.

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    Good to hear that you're doing better Criminie!!!There is a saying that goes with buprenorphene and that is "less is more" so don't be afraid to come down a milligram or two as it can make a big difference in the way you feel.Good luck and keep us informed.....Dave

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    quote:Originally posted by criminie

    Hi
    I'm transferring from methadone to subutex, coming from a relatively high meth dose (55 mg.). I think my doctor is fairly clueless, so I need some good advice here.
    From what I've read, I shouldn't have dosed with subutex so soon after my last Methadone dose. I took 4 mg. subutex 48 hrs. after my last dose of Methadone, which was a half dose (~27 mg.). My doctor, btw, told me I could take it after 24 hrs.! But at 48 hrs., it didn't seem to do me any harm. I mean, I'm sick no matter what - either from meth withdrawls, or from bupe antagonism - who can tell? Anyway, it wasn't any worse. But here's the question: at 60 hrs., after another 8 mgs., I'm still sick. Can I get my sick off by taking a much larger dose of subutex, or am I gonna be sick no matter what? I know how >>>>>> or morphine would work, but this stuff is different, and I don't know what to do. TIA!

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    Hi, Criminie:

    I am in a similar situation. Of course, several days have passed since you posted this. I hope things have improved for you.

    I was on prescription narcotics for over half a decade. When I began to improve, I then sought out a new pain management physician who prescribed Buprenorphine (injectable) for my chronic pain, and it worked like a charm for me.

    I had some withdrawal, but it subsided after about a week. Mostly, it just left me feeling exhausted, so I slept through the worst of it. I am now in a new part of the country and it has turned my medical life upside down. I am still on Buprenex, but soon I will be completely out. I see a new doctor in a week who I hope will keep me on Buprenex until I feel I can taper off. I am at a low dosage, but I am very serious about getting off of all opiates.

    I hope to hear how you are doing. This is my first post to this board and I would like to read how well people are holding up while going through med changes and tapering. Best of luck.

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    quote:Originally posted by mpvt

    I have a opiate chart that states buprenorphene as 40 times stronger than morphine.
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    I am new here. I have never heard of this. Could you please post a link to this chart? I would appreciate it very much. Many thanks.

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    How did the chart author arrive at those ratios? I understand the benchmarks given for codeine (30 mg) and morphine (10 mg) are the low end of the therapeutic dose range for each. Looking at the aspirin-to-morphine ratio (3600 mg aspirin = 10 mg morphine), then it would take slightly over 11 adult aspirin (at the standard 325 mg each) to equal a minimum therapeutic dose of morphine. Yet an ER patient in severe pain being told, "We're going to give you 11 aspirin. Don't worry -- it will give you the same pain relief as a dose of morphine" seems absurd and ludicrous.

    And if buprenorphine really were 40 times the strength of morphine, it would make sense that morphine could be used to detox people from buprenorphine. Yet it's always the other way around in practice.

    I'd hate to see people who could benefit from buprenorphine pain relief scared off by a spurious ratio.

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    Buprenorphene has a 48-72 hr half life which makes it a great drug to use for opiate recovery.Morphine is to weak for most addicts and you need to take it every couple hours.Thats why methadone and buprenorphene work so well.Methadone patients usually dose once a day while a stable buprenorphene patient can dose evry other day or some even dose every third day......Dave

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    This is 100% C5RAP. tHIS baldwin A HOLE IS TRYING TO PUSH SCIENTIOLOGY DOWN YOUR AND EVERYONEOS THROAT, HE SAYS www.detox-narconon.org
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    and the "success stories" he talks about. WEll once you a5re there you are ade to write one and they have millions and they are all BS. YEp everyone who goes has tio write the phoney success stories they are all ****. the idea is ingenious. can anyone who has been there back me up..hold on i will find the site that the dr's wrote about.






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    here are the sites
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    Narconon is not scientology. They do use scientology teck to handle people and get them well but it is not a church of scientology.

    Narconon has acknowledgements from Mayors, City Councils, Governors, legislatures, judges and other social betterment organizations to Narconon organizations worldwide for there success.

    In May of 1999, L. Ron Hubbard received the prestigious Antonietti Labisi Silver Plaque for his work, among other contributions, in developing the drug rehabilitation and prevention methodology of the Narconon program.

    They are aducating kids on the harms of drugs and giving them the know how on how to say no and wy they are choosing to say know. They are saving people and turning there lives around.

    whats wrong with that?
    If you want to attack some one who is a threate to our world and our people. Take a look at the drug companies who are putting people in addictid desperate situations and the oil companies who are poluting our air so fast that in 50 years there will be no such thing as a glacior. Narcanon is truly helping people, Contrary to the beliefs of those with vested interests whom will only benifit by keeping you down and under prescriptions.





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    Default from methadone to subutex

    It's a mother********************er going down from 60mg of meth like I did. I've been on >>>>>> and/or methadone for over 20 years, couple of short breaks (cold turkey smack, cold turkey meth, ibogaine), but since I seem to somewhat function and hate being hooked my doc suggested subutex. As per her advice I skipped meth for 2 days (took a bit of smack of course) and when I started feeling sick went for my first sub dose, 8mg. Waiting for sub to kick in I keep feeling worse and worse until I can't walk, it's like all strength has been sucked from me. I go back to doc she tells me this is normal, they just neglected to mention it. ******************** all I go and smoke 3 gs of smack and take 3mg of Xanax, feel nothing from smack, xanax seems to help, I sleep for 2 hours, wake up, take more Xanax. According to medical lit I am risking death and coma, goes to show how ********************ed up I felt. Felt asleep, thank ********************.
    Waoke up today, feel weak but not sick like >>>>>> withdrawal sick, kinda like mild meth withdrawal. I go for my 2nd dose of sub, tell the doc what happened, she shrugs it off and gives me 16mg sub, which I take. 3 hours later I feel like ******************** but not so shellshocked like yesterday, still cant eat, cant sleep. I wish I was under anesthetic. Since I know from experience smack helps nothing I am not wasting money on that ********************, I'll try and weather it out, tomorrow, day 3 that is, is supposed to be better. Hope so.
    Funny thing, what I feel resembles withdrawal in some ways (backpain, running nose), but sans the usual nerve wrecking, my head is strangely clear, perhaps the main reason I'm sticking with the plan.
    According to old Sub hands things change on the 3rd day. I considered going back to meth but it seems like a loser's move. I feel extremely uncomfortable but can survive one more day of this. I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthewb View Post
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    Call my dad he deels with people and gets them on a program that meets there needs. its a free phone call and I have read the success stories of people who were ready to die because of the drugs they were on. they are now now happy and excelling in life and cant believe how they could be were they are now. its worth the phone call.


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    Dear Matthew

    Can I call your people deeling Dad? I wish to be happy and excel, but alas, no Narconon facilities in this backward country.

    Would you also care to tell us more about this Scientology thing, I know it's a noble endeavour and never understood why people make such a fuss if profit is made from helping people to be happy and excel. Also, some people just need to be positively manipulated, it's for their own good, they just don't know it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthewb View Post
    Narconon is not scientology. They do use scientology teck to handle people and get them well but it is not a church of scientology.

    Narconon has acknowledgements from Mayors, City Councils, Governors, legislatures, judges and other social betterment organizations to Narconon organizations worldwide for there success.

    In May of 1999, L. Ron Hubbard received the prestigious Antonietti Labisi Silver Plaque for his work, among other contributions, in developing the drug rehabilitation and prevention methodology of the Narconon program.

    They are aducating kids on the harms of drugs and giving them the know how on how to say no and wy they are choosing to say know. They are saving people and turning there lives around.

    whats wrong with that?
    If you want to attack some one who is a threate to our world and our people. Take a look at the drug companies who are putting people in addictid desperate situations and the oil companies who are poluting our air so fast that in 50 years there will be no such thing as a glacior. Narcanon is truly helping people, Contrary to the beliefs of those with vested interests whom will only benifit by keeping you down and under prescriptions.





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    Matthew,

    Kudos on the prestigous Anonietti Labisi silver plaque for Ron L.'s efforts with addictid desperate situations and the threate that there is no such thing as a glacior.

    I fear however that ignoramus on forums (or is plural fora?) don't realize what a respected and well-known award the Labisi silver plaque is, perhaps you should enlighten them. In this country the silver Labisi is on par with Nobel's if not higher.
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    It's a mother********************er going down from 60mg of meth like I did. I've been on >>>>>> and/or methadone for over 20 years, couple of short breaks (cold turkey smack, cold turkey meth, ibogaine), but since I seem to somewhat function and hate being hooked my doc suggested subutex. As per her advice I skipped meth for 2 days (took a bit of smack of course) and when I started feeling sick went for my first sub dose, 8mg. Waiting for sub to kick in I keep feeling worse and worse until I can't walk, it's like all strength has been sucked from me. I go back to doc she tells me this is normal, they just neglected to mention it. ******************** all I go and smoke 3 gs of smack and take 3mg of Xanax, feel nothing from smack, xanax seems to help, I sleep for 2 hours, wake up, take more Xanax. According to medical lit I am risking death and coma, goes to show how ********************ed up I felt. Felt asleep, thank ********************.
    Waoke up today, feel weak but not sick like >>>>>> withdrawal sick, kinda like mild meth withdrawal. I go for my 2nd dose of sub, tell the doc what happened, she shrugs it off and gives me 16mg sub, which I take. 3 hours later I feel like ******************** but not so shellshocked like yesterday, still cant eat, cant sleep. I wish I was under anesthetic. Since I know from experience smack helps nothing I am not wasting money on that ********************, I'll try and weather it out, tomorrow, day 3 that is, is supposed to be better. Hope so.
    Funny thing, what I feel resembles withdrawal in some ways (backpain, running nose), but sans the usual nerve wrecking, my head is strangely clear, perhaps the main reason I'm sticking with the plan.
    According to old Sub hands things change on the 3rd day. I considered going back to meth but it seems like a loser's move. I feel extremely uncomfortable but can survive one more day of this. I hope.
    hi i have been on subutex for six months now it took about a week before
    i felt ok the clear head that stays with you. i want to go on the meth because its not working for me with the subs. i have never tried meth
    could you tell me what it feels like i dont want to get back on the gear
    but thats whats going to happen. the subs work but i dont like the way
    they make you feel.but good luck to you hope all works out

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    The problem that I see here is you moved to buprenorphene from 55 mgs of methadone.That's way to high a dose to make the jump and that's why your withdrawling.At 55mgs of methadone you should need only a small dose of buprenorphene say 4-6 mgs tops.Don't underestimate the power of this drug.I have a opiate chart that states buprenorphene as 40 times stronger than morphine.Also buprenorphene binds strongly to your opiate receptors so it won't matter how much morphine or >>>>>> you take it won't work,you won't even notice you've taken it.You can do one of two things and that's 1) Keep taking thesubutex and weather the storm (could be up to a couple weeks).Or 2)Go back on methadone and get yourself stabile at 30mgs or less then make the jump over to subutex.Good luck to you and let me know how you make out.Hang in there......Dave
    Hi, you seem to know a lot about this. My husband and I are ready to transfer over, but with work we cannot afford to be sick as long as some sites say (48-96 hours without MMT dose.) My question is, for people as stable as we are: 10 years clean on methadone. Why can't we switch using the Bupe without the Naloxone in it which is what would make us sick? Couldn't we use that for 3-4 says and THEN switch to the Suboxone? Your reply would really help us a lot in this major decision!
    Thanks!

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    it does not matter ............. if your on suboxone or subutex..... with or without the Narcan you still have to wait the three days with meth... the narcan in the sub is really only effective if you attempt to fire the sub.. you will get very sick. The Sub is very strong and will knock any other opiate off the Mu receptors.

    Narcan by mouth dose little to nothing... only there to kept folks from attempting to fire it.

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    Hmm, I had Subutex given to me less than 24 hours after taking my daily 10mg of methadone & felt fine-better than fine actually. I had to go inpatient at a psych hospital for anxiety & they wouldn't give me methadone there, only the Subutex. If they had told me I had to detox 2 days off the methadone I would have laughed at them & walked right out the door. Maybe I was ok because my dose was real low?

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    It was just a freak deal. You were the exception, one of the very few people who get a lucky break. That is all. God bless.
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    Agreed!! Very odd but it does happen from time to time....Dave

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    Default can take subutex earlier

    Actually, you can take Subutex earlier than Suboxone. I was at 30mg and I made the switch to Suboxone in two days and it sent me through complete w/d's. But I tried again a month after and took Subutex because my Doctor told me I didn't have to wait as long and took it a little more than day and a half after my last dose of Methadone and I felt perfectly fine. And my friends have also did the same thing. So if you are trying to switch from methadone quickly, Subutex is the best option for you.

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    Hello, I live in Lebanon where the pharmacies don't sell subutex or methadone, but >>>>>> is omnipresent. Anyway, I have been taking >>>>>> for many years but I had stopped for 3-4 years when I lived abroad and had access to Sub. Now, that I'm back to leb I started taking again but have stopped since 3 days. Someone has brought me 400 mg of Methadone and 3 boxes of 8 mg Subutex. So, what I did, was to start with the Methadone cause you can take them without a 24 hours wait (unlike subutex).
    Anyway, my question is what should I do now. I still have some methadone and all of the subutex. I have taken 110 mg the first day, 80 the second and around 60-70mg of methadone today. Should I change to subutex tomorrow, or should I finish the metha, by taking less and less and then switch or is there no way to avoid the withdrawal from the switch?
    P.S: Some told me to take >>>>>> again for a couple of days to do the switch; that it was the only way to avoid suffering, but I really wanted to stop and have managed to convince myself that never again.
    Thanks and sorry for the long question.

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    I switched from 90mg of methadone, to at first, 8mg Suboxone, I ended up stabilizing on 16mg.

    It took about 7 days for me to feel 100%.

    I waited 70 some hours before I took the Sub.

    8mg did not help at all but I stuck with it for 2 days then took another 8mg and it was like night and day. I was still not 100% better but the relief was there. The first 3 days where the hardest for me...tossing/turning, cold/hot sweats, jimmy legs, etc.... But as others said not full blown WD's.

    All the literature suggests 30mg or less, but it can and has many times been done at much higher doses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walid123 View Post
    Hello, I live in Lebanon where the pharmacies don't sell subutex or methadone, but >>>>>> is omnipresent. Anyway, I have been taking >>>>>> for many years but I had stopped for 3-4 years when I lived abroad and had access to Sub. Now, that I'm back to leb I started taking again but have stopped since 3 days. Someone has brought me 400 mg of Methadone and 3 boxes of 8 mg Subutex. So, what I did, was to start with the Methadone cause you can take them without a 24 hours wait (unlike subutex).
    Anyway, my question is what should I do now. I still have some methadone and all of the subutex. I have taken 110 mg the first day, 80 the second and around 60-70mg of methadone today. Should I change to subutex tomorrow, or should I finish the metha, by taking less and less and then switch or is there no way to avoid the withdrawal from the switch?
    P.S: Some told me to take >>>>>> again for a couple of days to do the switch; that it was the only way to avoid suffering, but I really wanted to stop and have managed to convince myself that never again.
    Thanks and sorry for the long question.
    Wait until you are in withdrawals, and I mean full blown withdrawals before you take the Subutex.

    For most people that is 48-72 hours after last dose of methadone.

    Yes you will experience discomfort when you switch, no way around that...unless you do go back to a shorter acting opiate, such as >>>>>> for about a week....wait 12-24 hours then take the Sub.

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