[no_more_tram]

Ok to make a long story short since I am sooo tired, I am back on Suboxone for the 2nd day after a relapse on pain meds(tramadol). Anyhow I am taking 4mgs in the morning and 4mgs at night. This is my 2nd day as I have said and I have taken the same amount yesterday as I have today. The last time I was on Suboxone for a bit over 3 months and I stopped c/t at 6mgs I think it was, and of course I went through some rough days, I don't however want to do THAT again, and I know about the 25% reduction, but would that apply to me since I don't plan on being on this long at all. In fact I want to taper slow enough so I barely have W/D, but also don't want to be on more than I need to. I have been in detox twice before and took Suboxone and was there 5- 7 days. I was up to taking 10mgs then weaned down on like the 3rd day I think it was. I know Robert and Intel and others are out there and helping, and I would love some advice, again I don't want to be on this any longer than need be in fact I don't wanna be on no longer than 2 weeks. So anyone out there, what should I do, and again I have chronic pain, and with the Suboxone actually helping somewhat with that pain, it's gonna be hard not being on them since afterall that's why I became addicted to pain meds due to a back injury at work. Thanks to anyone who replys.

[MaisieC]

I think you need to focus on your recovery, long-term, rather than finding a way to get off suboxone quick. The last time you jumped off fast, you relapsed. Why will this time be any different? You can get clean, but what you really need is to learn how to stay clean.

With all due respect, you're still thinking like an addict: you want what you want and you want it quick. You want to come off 8 mgs. of suboxone in two weeks, but you want to taper slowly enough that you don't have withdrawal symptoms. That doesn't make a lot of sense. Why would the taper schedule not "apply" to you?

You've been struggling with this addiction for a while, and I really think you need to slow down, sit with yourself, and focus on the big picture. Get into something that can support a clean and sober lifestyle (NA or something) going forward, or you're at a high risk of relapsing again. Make some decisions about pain-management. The doctor-shopping scare really means you can't keep doing business as usual. Don't set yourself up to fail again.

[Robert_325]

no_more_tram ...... Maisie is correct. You don't always get things exactly as you want them. There is NO WAY that I can take you from 8mg to being clean in two weeks and you have no w/d. That is impossible without placing you at extremely high risk for relapse. You need to do like Maisie said and focus on the big picture. If you insist on doing this two week thing you'll have to do it without me. It's just not feasible.

If you're going to do sub therapy you need to plan on spending a couple months doing this the right way. I will only get involved if you commit to doing this the right way. It doesn't matter if I help you or if you post to intelmetal. I know him very well and he is very capable of helping you just as I am. But I know that he will tell you basically the same thing as I've said and that Maisie said.

You've been through a lot here recently. Your way of doing things hasn't worked out too well so far. And I'm not judging you I'm just stating a fact. It's time to stop the addict way of thinking and listen to what others who know what they're talking about are telling you.

You should stay at the 8mg per day if you're stable there and comfortable for about a week. Give yourself some time to get smoothed out after all the insanity of the last couple weeks. After the week is over you should taper by 25% of your dose or drop down to 6mg. Plan on spending four days there and repeating the 25% reduction this time down to 4.5mg.

Stay in touch here on the forum. As long as you go along with what we're suggesting there won't be a lot of drama and misery. That is how you should do this in my opinion. That is the only way that I can be involved as I am very busy with lots of people. Let me know if you want to do this like I've suggested. God bless.

[no_more_tram]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

no_more_tram ...... Maisie is correct. You don't always get things exactly as you want them. There is NO WAY that I can take you from 8mg to being clean in two weeks and you have no w/d. That is impossible without placing you at extremely high risk for relapse. You need to do like Maisie said and focus on the big picture. If you insist on doing this two week thing you'll have to do it without me. It's just not feasible.

If you're going to do sub therapy you need to plan on spending a couple months doing this the right way. I will only get involved if you commit to doing this the right way. It doesn't matter if I help you or if you post to intelmetal. I know him very well and he is very capable of helping you just as I am. But I know that he will tell you basically the same thing as I've said and that Maisie said.

You've been through a lot here recently. Your way of doing things hasn't worked out too well so far. And I'm not judging you I'm just stating a fact. It's time to stop the addict way of thinking and listen to what others who know what they're talking about are telling you.

You should stay at the 8mg per day if you're stable there and comfortable for about a week. Give yourself some time to get smoothed out after all the insanity of the last couple weeks. After the week is over you should taper by 25% of your dose or drop down to 6mg. Plan on spending four days there and repeating the 25% reduction this time down to 4.5mg.

Stay in touch here on the forum. As long as you go along with what we're suggesting there won't be a lot of drama and misery. That is how you should do this in my opinion. That is the only way that I can be involved as I am very busy with lots of people. Let me know if you want to do this like I've suggested. God bless.

Robert, I definitely want to do this taper with you! So I am still taking the 8mg. I take 4 in the morning and 4 in the evening, and it seems to be doing well for me. So today is Day 5 of taking the Suboxone, so should I stay an entire 7 days at this dose? What day should I take it down to 6mg, and when I do that what is a better way of doing it, just dropping 1mg in the morning and 1mg in the evening, or by dropping 2mg at either morning or evening. I am a bit confused on that part. Is it better to have each dose the same at both times. I do want to taper the right way, and not be in a rush so that I can avoid W/D. So please let me know what day I should drop to the 6mg, and what way to do that. And then when I do drop I stay at that dose for just 4 days, right? Then go down another 25%? Thanks!!

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by no_more_tram

Robert, I definitely want to do this taper with you! So I am still taking the 8mg. I take 4 in the morning and 4 in the evening, and it seems to be doing well for me. So today is Day 5 of taking the Suboxone, so should I stay an entire 7 days at this dose? What day should I take it down to 6mg, and when I do that what is a better way of doing it, just dropping 1mg in the morning and 1mg in the evening, or by dropping 2mg at either morning or evening. I am a bit confused on that part. Is it better to have each dose the same at both times. I do want to taper the right way, and not be in a rush so that I can avoid W/D. So please let me know what day I should drop to the 6mg, and what way to do that. And then when I do drop I stay at that dose for just 4 days, right? Then go down another 25%? Thanks!!

You just made my morning. I'm really happy you decided to do this the right way and I'll be happy to help you. You just increased your chances for success big time!

Stay on the two 4mg doses for a full week. That allows for the worst of the original w/d to get by. Then you will drop to 6mg. It's best in my opinion to split the reduction by taking 1mg off of each dose. So you should then be taking 3mg twice daily for at least four days.

You shouldn't even notice the drop to 6mg. It will be without incident in my opinion. Keep me posted and we'll get you through this as long as you continue to do things the right way.

I'm proud of you for what that is worth. God bless.

[no_more_tram]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

You just made my morning. I'm really happy you decided to do this the right way and I'll be happy to help you. You just increased your chances for success big time!

Stay on the two 4mg doses for a full week. That allows for the worst of the original w/d to get by. Then you will drop to 6mg. It's best in my opinion to split the reduction by taking 1mg off of each dose. So you should then be taking 3mg twice daily for at least four days.

You shouldn't even notice the drop to 6mg. It will be without incident in my opinion. Keep me posted and we'll get you through this as long as you continue to do things the right way.

I'm proud of you for what that is worth. God bless.

Thank you so much Robert!! Your the BEST!!!! Ok so I will stay where I am for 7 days, then on the 8th day which will be Tuesday I will drop to 6mg by the 1mg in the a.m and 1mg in the p.m. I will stay at that for four days, and of coure I will let you know on Tuesday how I am feeling by the drop. I will keep posting just for reference for myself as well. This has to be the LAST TIME of using anything. Thanks again!!

[tired2]

Hi ..I have to agree with Maisie she hit it on the nail.
I just wanted to let you know I have been on every opiate out there not to mention benzo's etc.. for way over 25yrs. I did my sub taper with Robert back in mid March and I'm now 15 weeks Opiate Free and have no desire to use...so it can be done but you really need to follow Roberts instructions .
I'm currently tapering off the benzo's with Robert and getting closer to being done.

I'm not a very patient person so it was very hard for me since I want instant results but it does take a time. Look how long we have been addicts it didn't take us over night. So it won't be an overnight process to get clean.

I did my taper every 3 days which was sorta by accident since I thought the 4 day was the day to taper...so we continued with the 3 day which not everyone can do and I do not recommend it to anyone...I leave that to Robert discretion.Whatever you do not rush or jump off to soon even if you think the dose is small since this drug is very potent.

I can help you cut your doses when they get to small to cut just let me know.
You will be free before you know it...you can do this.
Pam

[no_more_tram]

I forgot that today I was going to taper to 6mg, so tommorrow I will start it! Hope I don't notice much change. Thanks!!

[RubyDean]

nmt, glad to see you doing the taper. you will do great at 6mg, 3 in the morning, and 3 in the evening. all good. i can honestly say i have reached a point where i do not even like suboxone anymore, it has reared it's ugly head, and i can't wait to be done. i have been struggling too long, but now i really look forward to getting off. one day at a time.
proud of you, so keep it up!!! don't forget to drop tmrw.!!!

[no_more_tram]

Originally Posted by RubyDean

nmt, glad to see you doing the taper. you will do great at 6mg, 3 in the morning, and 3 in the evening. all good. i can honestly say i have reached a point where i do not even like suboxone anymore, it has reared it's ugly head, and i can't wait to be done. i have been struggling too long, but now i really look forward to getting off. one day at a time.
proud of you, so keep it up!!! don't forget to drop tmrw.!!!

Thank you for your kind response. Yes, I will do the 6mg tommorrow, I will have to cut the pills, I am a bit afraid of doing that. in fact I am going to start a thread about it and see what's most helpful in cutting them.. thanks again!!