[kmmqn]

I have been taking percocets for 3 years now. I have a chronic back injury but I am not disabled. In other words I can still function but with pain. I want off these drugs and went to my doctor. I tried to get on soboxone and she told me it would cost almost a 1,000.00 for the office visits and monitoring. I have insurance but my insurance does not cover it. I can't afford this now..seperating from my husband..children to feed..bills. That is the truth I can't afford anything right now even though this is my top priority. I then tried the at home remedy to DT but I need valium. The doctor will not write me a script for it. Now I am at my wits ends and don't know what to do. Does anyone have any ideas? please anything will help. I can't DT cold turkey...I have children and have to figure out how to do this at home and still function..any advice is good advice at this point so please anyone.

Thank you for your time
Kelly

[melinda7.5]

Hi kmmqn
I think the only thing left is a taper...did you want to give that try...
That is how I got off my opiates...
let us know how we can help
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[kmmqn]

Hi Melinda,

I tried to taper and it didn't work. I have been on them for so long ( 3 years) and I am up to 45-50 mg a day of oxycodone. How did you do the taper? Maybe I am not doing it right. Or maybe I am cutting them too soon and that is why i go back to the original dose. Would you mind telling me how you did it? Thank You
Kelly

[nelly005]

Hi Kelly,
You can taper and you can quit, yes, it's not easy, but you can! And you've got a great reason...your children. I have a pain condition and after several tries I stopped taking norco (vicodin) and methadone (for pain). It's been over 2 months now without any opiates and because of some healthy eating habits I now have I rarely need to take tylenol. My pain did get worse after I quit..I tapered by taking 10 mg. less every 4 days then quit cold turkey when I was at 40mg. a day as 40mg seemed like nothing and I just wanted to be done. I also did the Thomas Recipe without valium, it did help!
Do your kids spend time with their dad? That would be a good time to finish taper and jump off. We all don't give ourselves enough credit for how strong we can be!! How old are your kids? Old enough for them to be told you have the flu and they can help take care of themselves and you?
If you want more nutrition info let me know...it would help.
Let me know!
Beth

[kmmqn]

Hi Beth,

I have tried to taper and I can't. I have been on them for so long I can't function. My husband is living here with us but we are seperated. He will not take the kids for this..he himself is addicted to pills as well. My children are still young so they can't fend for themselves for very long. I am a loser for letting this happen. I usually have no sympathy for weak people and here I am. I think I am going to try and do this tomorrow. I have too. Maybe I will take benadryl and try and sleep through the DT. I will take the recommended dose and just sleep through it. When I wake up I will take a half pill. Then continue doing it that way. Thank you for responding...I have to do this because worrying about all this is not worth it...

Thanks again Beth,
take care
kelly

Originally Posted by kmmqn

Hi Beth,

I have tried to taper and I can't. I have been on them for so long I can't function. My husband is living here with us but we are seperated. He will not take the kids for this..he himself is addicted to pills as well. My children are still young so they can't fend for themselves for very long. I am a loser for letting this happen. I usually have no sympathy for weak people and here I am. I think I am going to try and do this tomorrow. I have too. Maybe I will take benadryl and try and sleep through the DT. I will take the recommended dose and just sleep through it. When I wake up I will take a half pill. Then continue doing it that way. Thank you for responding...I have to do this because worrying about all this is not worth it...

Thanks again Beth,
take care
kelly

First of all don't put yourself down, many very good people fall into addiction and I'm sure you don't judge others as harshly as yourself. I don't know if your thinking through your plan? You can't sleep through your detox using Benadryl and who would take care of your children? If you can't do a taper why do you think you could take the recomended dose and wake up and only take 1/2? And then your just going to knock yourself out again?
You would be able to function much better and be able to take care of your children on a taper. Melinda is the expert on tapers, and she will give you a taper plan that is do able, you will have to make the decision and commitment to follow through. She is great and many people on here have done the same thing and they will be here to support you as well. I really think this is your best option, I know I couldn't do a taper unless someone else had the pills and gave them to me. Do you have anyone who could do that?

[tired2]

Hi Kelly...you are not a looser...I'm sorry that you are unable to do the Sub's taper but just give yourself a chance ...Melinda really does know where you are coming from and can help you...I wish I could give you my sub's since I will no longer need them...I truely hate when someone needs help.....

Well you will need to want it bad enough and only then you will be able to stop..
I have been on pain pills and benzo's not to mention several other drugs which I have listed on my thread...I even was in rehab for about 1 week 1 1/2years ago but, then left it did get me off the morph .... then I just went back to vic's and norco and benzo's which was all the doctor would give me b/c of w/d....I didn't have the support I get from this forum at that time and believe me it awesome around her Melinda and Robert are a God send as well as many others...
Well I have finally beat the pain meds which I have taken most my life which has been a long time and now i will be working on the benzo's again so you see we all do fall down but we must pick ourselves up and try again.
I see you have children do it for them they need thier mommy but foremost yourself.
Good Luck,
Pam

[kmmqn]

Thank you so much Beth, Melinda and Pam

Thank you for taking the time to talk to me. I wan't to get off these pills but it has to do with timing. I talked to my husband and he is willing to let me have two days to myself to do this. Everytime my children are mentioned in these post it breaks my heart so I need to stop talking about them. I am going to go cold turkey with the benedryl. My doctor wants me to do the suboxne but that will run me 1,000.00 which I don't have. I tried to ask for a RX for valium she would not give it to me. I will be changing doctors after all this. It obviously is about a money thing for her office. I have to wait 2 weeks from now to do this and I have to pin my husband down on a date to let me. I think I will just try and sleep through it and no pills for 3 days. I know you probaly won't agree but I tried tapering and I couldn't do it. So if I go three days without pills I should be on my way right? Or will it take more time? I know you all three know more about this. So I need realistic advice..will three days empty my system or am I fooling myself?

Thanks again and take care kelly

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by kmmqn

Thank you so much Beth, Melinda and Pam

Thank you for taking the time to talk to me. I wan't to get off these pills but it has to do with timing. I talked to my husband and he is willing to let me have two days to myself to do this. Everytime my children are mentioned in these post it breaks my heart so I need to stop talking about them. I am going to go cold turkey with the benedryl. My doctor wants me to do the suboxne but that will run me 1,000.00 which I don't have. I tried to ask for a RX for valium she would not give it to me. I will be changing doctors after all this. It obviously is about a money thing for her office. I have to wait 2 weeks from now to do this and I have to pin my husband down on a date to let me. I think I will just try and sleep through it and no pills for 3 days. I know you probaly won't agree but I tried tapering and I couldn't do it. So if I go three days without pills I should be on my way right? Or will it take more time? I know you all three know more about this. So I need realistic advice..will three days empty my system or am I fooling myself?

Thanks again and take care kelly

Three days won't quite do it. You'll start to feel better after day four but three days is pushing it. You need to allow yourself a week.

What would happen if you really did get sick? I mean if you got the flu bad where you couldn't get out of bed for a week what would happen to your world? I bet nothing would happen and everyone would continue to move forward with life.

This is kind of important for you and for your children. You need to give yourself the time you need to recover from a detox. Expecting to be done in three days is NOT realistic after using for years. Just think about what you're trying to do. This is very important! God bless.

First of all don't put yourself down, many very good people fall into addiction and I'm sure you don't judge others as harshly as yourself. I don't know if your thinking through your plan? You can't sleep through your detox using Benadryl and who would take care of your children? If you can't do a taper why do you think you could take the recomended dose and wake up and only take 1/2? And then your just going to knock yourself out again?
You would be able to function much better and be able to take care of your children on a taper. Melinda is the expert on tapers, and she will give you a taper plan that is do able, you will have to make the decision and commitment to follow through. She is great and many people on here have done the same thing and they will be here to support you as well. I really think this is your best option, I know I couldn't do a taper unless someone else had the pills and gave them to me. Do you have anyone who could do that?
Hi again ,I just want you to think this through-even if you could sleep for two days and thats a big IF-you wouldn't even be at the worst part of withdraw yet. Why don't you talk to Melinda and give the taper a second chance? What your talking about is a cold turkey -at least read the Thomas Recipe and plan for 4 or 5 days to get over the worst. Good Luck

[nelly005]

Hi Kelly,
I'm copying, pasting and editing a note I wrote to someone on another thread, We all have to remember we have to keep our bodies strong in order to heal and our brains aren't screaming for meds...as much!! If you start eating properly while doing your taper it will make it better!! Robert is correct that w/d symptoms feels like a bad case of the flu, but flu's hit us like a load of bricks, whereas DT we can plan for accordingly.

Depending on meds you have available, I would try to lower your dosage 5 to 10 mg every 4 -5 days. I never took oxys, so someone else may have better info there!! It does help to have someone else ration out your meds after you choose your taper plan. But since husband is on pills find a friend or family member you can trust.

Eat foods good for the immune system which helps inflamation and makes you feel stronger and healthier.
Pom Wonderful (100% pomegranate juice) Mix with OJ if you don't like it
Carrots, melons, mangoes, oranges, leafy greens (beta-carotene)
Mushrooms (enhances our good killer cells)
Green Tea (fights inflamation, enhances immunity)
Yogurt (make sure it has live bacteria, helps w/ stomach upset while DT)
Emergen-C (vit.B and C in packet bought buy the box in large grocery store or health food store) Like a 5 hour energy drink you add to water.
The healthiest form of Omega 3's you can afford (I buy Barleans Flax oil, no fishy taste, this helps get your brain functioning again)

Try to cut out as much red meat as possible as it makes inflamation worse.
Also cut out as much flour and sugar as you can these make it hard for your body to process the good stuff.
Stay away from coffee/caffine on your bad days

Every morning I have a bowl of Kashi Vive (it has prohibotics and doesn't taste like cardboard) mixed with "living" yogurt with fresh blueberries,blackberries, strawberries or raspberries on top.

Follow the Thomas Recipe with or without valium. Take a copy of recipe to your Dr. and tell them how much you've heard it helps, you only need it for a few days, but don't take it until the end of your taper, once true W/D's set in.!!!!!

Before bedtime, take a long hot bath or shower then some Sleepytime Tea.

Prepare;
Do as much shopping and preparing as you can while you feel good...
Get your bills paid and ready to mail, all laundry done, house clean...etc. Don't give yourself an excuse to quit your plan.

Everyday try to accomplish something to be proud of, even it's just doing a load of laundry or anything you've been putting off cause you feel like $hit, just a better sense of self worth makes us stronger.
Activities, walking/slow jog at least 3 or more hours before bedtime, If you get depressed watch a funny movie or read good book, nothing "heavy"
And remember there is no failure unless you fail to try! You've got the right attitude you can do this! Beth

[kmmqn]

Thank You Beth for all the info on the diet and other helpful info.

I tried to taper last night but couldn't do it. Unfortunately if I do get the flu I still have to function. It is not about a maintaining the house it is taking care of my kids. I am on my own with this one and I have to try and do this. The only help I have is with my husband whose schedule is 24 hours on and 48 hours off. He also gets called in on his day off so really everything is up in the air. Even if I planned this I still might have to take care of my kids and go through W/D. I have no one I can trust to help me with this...I am with my children 24/7 with no help. How do I do this? seriously? being relaistic I can't think of a way. How do you go through w/d and take care of young children? Some of these docs and insurance companies really have things backwards..it cost me 20 dollars a month for my pills with my insurance. But my insurance will not pay for suboxone treatment since I need to be monitored. It will cost me 1,000 out of pocket. My doctor will not write me a RX for valium which will help me w/d without suboxone and do it at home and try. Why?? is the money for the suboxone treatment more important for her. I am venting because I am fed up...Thanks again everyone for your information I am putting all this info together that you are giving me. I will come up with a plan and do this....

[bigjon30]

as you have children they should be the biggest part of you quittn that is what did it for me but it is indeed a long hard road patience is the key be patient with yourself and allow it to happen practice some meditation and deep breathing it will help