[prolific]

Does anyone know?? I know it sounds ghetto, but I am on Vicodin (prescribed by a doctor) and the acetaminophen has been killing my liver. I don't understatnd why Vicodin must be prescribed with tylenol (tylenol is so much worse for you liver).....plz help! If you know how to extract please lemme know....thanx so much

[zippysgoddess]

Well Vicodin is just the name brand for the drug, not one of the active drugs in it, the active drug is Hydrocodone. As to always being prescribed with Acetaminophen, there is a new drug out called Vicoprofen, it has Ibuprofen instead of Acetaminophen for those who can't tolerate the APAP anymore. You might want to ask your doctor about it.

Hydrocodone is very strong, if you try to extract it yourself, you could find yourself taking a dangerous dose. That is why it isn't available in more than 10mgs and only with other drugs in it.

Do you have a liver issue that your doctor is aware of? If so, they have to be nuts to keep prescribing you drugs with APAP in them. There are plenty of choices available for pain relief without APAP i them, as I stated there is the Vicoprofen with Ibu and there are also others available that will work just as well and have neither APAP or Ibu added.

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[CrunchDude]

I have the same concern. Why aren't there drugs with JUST hydrocodone or oxycodone in them??? The acetaminophen is supposed to strengthen the effect but by how much does it really do it?

[zippysgoddess]

Thought in my post I was just talking about different ones that are available now? Must have been hallucinating.

Well there are pills and capsules that are just Oxycodone, you can get it in either the generic for Oxycontin, which is a 12 hour extended release or the generic for Roxifast which is an instant release.

I currently have the 5mg Oxycodone IR for breakthrough pain, 3 times a day.

Hydrocodone, however, is not available just by itself, they consider it much to powerful, so you can only get it with Acetaminophen or Ibuprofen now and at a max of 10mgs.


Here's the information page on Vicoprofen if you want more information so you can talk to your doctor about it.

http://www.drugs.com/mtm/v/vicoprofen.html



Here's the Oxycodone page:

http://www.drugs.com/mtm/oxycodone.html




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[JJIIGSAWW]

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[opiatelover]

I am new to this site but im full of knowledge when it comes to pills. As long as there is no caffine u can do what is called a cold water extraction on your vicoden's. This also works on percocet, hydrocodone. Just make sure no other subtances are in your pills but the drug itself,which will be converted into an opiate, and the tylenol, which will be distracted. Its very simple. The more you do it, the more you'll learn and get better. Thats my experience. Follow these steps...
First, crush up your pills into a very fine powder. I like to use at least 15 of the 5/500 vics.
#2 pour your pill powder into a small bottle with warm/hot water(not boiling water, this could destroy the good stuff) shake it well. Not too much water. Enough to were the water isnt totally just gumpy. In a small glass id use almost half a glass for roughly 20 pills.
#3 ok now you have your sludge. Pour it into another glass and put in the fridgerater til it gets very very cold but not freezing. U could speed up this process by putting the solution in freezer but watch and dont let it freeze!
#4 now get a couple filters and place over a glass or jar. Make sure they're damp with cold water so the liquid won't totally absorb in the filter. Pour the cold solution into filter. You can repeat this process 2 or even 3 times to get as much of that nasty tylenol out as possible. The final solution will be a little cloudy but most of the tylenol will be gone. I found the more times i filtered it the less cloudy it got. Now, drink and enjoy! Mix with kool aid or jus drink it itself. Some prefer usin a big sryinge with no needle and putting it up they're butt. To each their own. Its better if done on a empty stomach. Enjoy!

[Robert_325]

I thought that I was pretty bad off taking thirty 30mg Roxies each day. But this last post certainly makes me feel a lot better about myself. Even at the depths of my worst addiction I never found it necessary to give myself a hydrocodone enema. Just a thought here ... wouldn't it be a little less hassle to purchase some medication with less apap in it? And as a last resort if I my liver was so bad that I needed to go the extreme just explained perhaps a rehab might be a smarter alternative. And you say "enjoy" ? I think I'll pass thank you.

[musicman48]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

I thought that I was pretty bad off taking thirty 30mg Roxies each day. But this last post certainly makes me feel a lot better about myself. Even at the depths of my worst addiction I never found it necessary to give myself a hydrocodone enema. Just a thought here ... wouldn't it be a little less hassle to purchase some medication with less apap in it? And as a last resort if I my liver was so bad that I needed to go the extreme just explained perhaps a rehab might be a smarter alternative. And you say "enjoy" ? I think I'll pass thank you.

Excuse my post and I apologize ahead of time.... but.........Hahahaha ! ....Robert you da man ! LOL

[OXYmom]

Opiatelover- I am just wondering- are you saying that you take all that at one time? I am only asking b/c if someone finds this and takes your advice, couldn't they OD from that amount of straight hydrocodone at one time? I used to take oxys. A lot of them. But I didn't take them all at once and I never got desparate enough to put it in my butt. Wouldn't that be painful?

I am with Robert on this one- how about rehab for those who start taking their meds rectally??

[money_chick]

I must be the hip chick here. Although, his method is rudementary at best.

Ok, seriously, plugging is very acceptable. Strange the things ppl do to get high. I know its done with lsd and such, but opiates used rectally are on the rise. (Or the down low.)

By the way, use VERY LITTLE water if you try this. Otherwise, you'll just sh*t about $75 worth of hydro out your as$.

Have a nice day.

[opiatelover]

Ok let me get this straight. I never put nothing u my butt but i do know people that have. Cold water extraction is the best thing to do if you have a high tolerance and dont wanna ingest lots of tylenol. I have no liver problems and dont want to so thats the purpose for this method. Yes, 15-20 would be way too much for someone whose tolerance isnt high. Maybe starting with 4-6 would be better

[opiatelover]

By the way, money chick, im a she not he

[money_chick]

No, I agree with the CWE. On a harm reduction board Im on I reccomend it often, just not here. I used it in the end, too, to save my liver.

I was being sarcastic.

[cherry14]

I honestly can't believe that I'm reading people posting these methods on this board, which is the same place people come for advice and support to get OFF of opiates. Unreal.

How do you even KNOW for a fact you're getting rid of the APAP by this backwards method, anyway? Just curious.

I beg to differ the argument that hydrocodone is *so strong* that it's not formulated by itself. It's not in the same class as oxycodone or other narcotics, so that disproves that theory.

I generally have sympathy for anybody struggling with addiction to medications. But this thread has turned my stomach. It's not something to laugh about.

[cherry14]

Originally Posted by prolific

Does anyone know?? I know it sounds ghetto, but I am on Vicodin (prescribed by a doctor) and the acetaminophen has been killing my liver. I don't understatnd why Vicodin must be prescribed with tylenol (tylenol is so much worse for you liver).....plz help! If you know how to extract please lemme know....thanx so much

I see that you are using the "prescribed by a doctor" excuse, but if you were taking the prescribed amount, it would not be enough to be toxic to your liver, and/or you would be able to discuss that with your MD and change to something that DIDN'T contain tylenol, to alleviate your concerns. You would NOT have to ask about a backwards home-method to get the tylenol out of your pain pills. Try again.

[doc_oc]

Originally Posted by cherry14

I honestly can't believe that I'm reading people posting these methods on this board, which is the same place people come for advice and support to get OFF of opiates. Unreal.

How do you even KNOW for a fact you're getting rid of the APAP by this backwards method, anyway? Just curious.

I beg to differ the argument that hydrocodone is *so strong* that it's not formulated by itself. It's not in the same class as oxycodone or other narcotics, so that disproves that theory.

I generally have sympathy for anybody struggling with addiction to medications. But this thread has turned my stomach. It's not something to laugh about.

Hydrocodone is not a classified drug because it is not available as a pure substance. Vicodin on the other hand is only a different class of drug because it is Hydrocodone+Aceteminophen. This is why doseage will usually say "Vicodin- 5/500mg," showing that there are 5mg hydrcodone and 500mg aceteminophen. The reason the cold water extraction works, is because the hydrocodone is water soluble and the aceteminophen is not. When the pill is crushed into a fine powder and mixed in warm water the hydrocodone dissolves and creates the cloudy watery substance, and the aceteminophen remains suspended in the liquid. When the liquid is put into the fridge to cool, the aceteminphen rises to the top of the liquid as a white precipitate. When poured through the coffee filter your cloudy liquid leaks through into your other glass, and the white precipitate stays in the coffee filter. You can dry out the precipitate and roll it into a ball and you now have tylenol and you can drink the substance and you practically have liquid hydrocodone. This procedure also works with Codeine/Tylenol and Oxycodone/Tylenol, as codeine and oxycodone are both opiates.

[cherry14]

Originally Posted by doc_oc

Hydrocodone is not a classified drug because it is not available as a pure substance. Vicodin on the other hand is only a different class of drug because it is Hydrocodone+Aceteminophen. This is why doseage will usually say "Vicodin- 5/500mg," showing that there are 5mg hydrcodone and 500mg aceteminophen. The reason the cold water extraction works, is because the hydrocodone is water soluble and the aceteminophen is not. When the pill is crushed into a fine powder and mixed in warm water the hydrocodone dissolves and creates the cloudy watery substance, and the aceteminophen remains suspended in the liquid. When the liquid is put into the fridge to cool, the aceteminphen rises to the top of the liquid as a white precipitate. When poured through the coffee filter your cloudy liquid leaks through into your other glass, and the white precipitate stays in the coffee filter. You can dry out the precipitate and roll it into a ball and you now have tylenol and you can drink the substance and you practically have liquid hydrocodone. This procedure also works with Codeine/Tylenol and Oxycodone/Tylenol, as codeine and oxycodone are both opiates.

Thanks for the lesson I didn't need on why it's "5/500," and the fact that codeine and oxycodone are opiates. I am an RN, with a solid background in pharmacology. Pardon me if it happens to be LEGAL knowledge, not the kind of knowledge that involves turning your kitchen in to a chemistry lab.

I still stand by my statements regarding NOT doing this at home (imagine that). As I said, if the OP is worried about the amount of APAP in their PRESCRIBED medication, it's much easier just to discuss those concerns with the prescribing practitioner, and it's pretty simple as well to have liver function tested to ensure it hasn't been toxic.

[Robert_325]

Anyone who has read anything about drugs just about knows how to do this process. It's nothing new. And people have been putting drugs up their you know what for a long time. That is nothing new either. Just didn't think we would continue this conversation on this forum.

I'm kind of with Cherry in that I don't think this is the place for getting into this topic at all. It's not my forum though so I guess you can talk about whatever you want. If someone needs less apap they need to talk to the dr. Obviously people doing this extraction are not under any professional medical direction.

You're scoring and taking too much and getting it off the street. A dr's script wouldn't do this to a patient. This is exactly what NA is talking about when they say all that is left is jails, institutions and death. Not much else is left when you have to extract pure opiate from pain pills because you're destroying your liver. Takes lots of goofy pain pills to do that. God bless.

[cherry14]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Anyone who has read anything about drugs just about knows how to do this process. It's nothing new. And people have been putting drugs up their you know what for a long time. That is nothing new either. Just didn't think we would continue this conversation on this forum.

I'm kind of with Cherry in that I don't think this is the place for getting into this topic at all. It's not my forum though so I guess you can talk about whatever you want. If someone needs less apap they need to talk to the dr. Obviously people doing this extraction are not under any professional medical direction.

You're scoring and taking too much and getting it off the street. A dr's script wouldn't do this to a patient. This is exactly what NA is talking about when they say all that is left is jails, institutions and death. Not much else is left when you have to extract pure opiate from pain pills because you're destroying your liver. Takes lots of goofy pain pills to do that. God bless.

I know I should have (and from this point on, I will!) leave this thread alone....I was/am just too appalled by what I am reading, I guess. You see so many threads on getting help, then see this....and some that have posted have looked for the help, so it REALLY turned my head (yea, I do a lot more reading and lurking than posting, I'll admit it! Pharmacology has always fascinated me, from an intellectual standpoint).

I guess I'm just naive, because I have never in all of my reading/education/whatever come across extraction techniques...so I'm not sure if the fact that it's "common knowledge" or just common to come across is more for the case of people who have/had abused meds, and/or are specifically looking for that type of info. I research and look things up for kicks sometimes, especially meds, both for myself and for my patients, but have never seen that kind of thing before. There is a whole big world out there I know nothing about, isn't there (and I guess I'm glad for that!)...

[Robert_325]

People who used medications from a dr only would never need to do this. So only people abusing the RX pain meds would have a need to do a precipitation process on the medication basically and extract the opiate. There would certainly be no reason for our nurses to know how to do that I don't suppose. I'm actually glad you're a nurse who doesn't know. Probably means you're not a nurse who "borrows" patients' medications. lol There are a few of those. Addicts have been extracting purer drugs for years from things that get mixed on the street as well.