[Mara13]

I recently decided 2 try a sustained release opiate. It just made sense. It seems they r a bit 2 strong 4 me or something tho. What exactly is the comparison between Hydrocodone 10-500's @ Morphine Sul 15 CR's ????? I am scared 2 take the morphine 1's as directed cause they seem stronger even tho my Doc. said they weren't. Thanks. Mara

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Mara13

I recently decided 2 try a sustained release opiate. It just made sense. It seems they r a bit 2 strong 4 me or something tho. What exactly is the comparison between Hydrocodone 10-500's @ Morphine Sul 15 CR's ????? I am scared 2 take the morphine 1's as directed cause they seem stronger even tho my Doc. said they weren't. Thanks. Mara

Mara .... you should speak with your dr about this. You shouldn't be taking any medication that you feel is too strong for you. We are all a little different and if it's too strong for you then you should be on something different.

This is a dr matter, not a forum matter. No one here knows your health history or anything about you. Let us know how it goes with the dr. Hope that helps. God bless.

[Mara13]

Wow. O.k. I'm done holding my peace here. Robert, I'm really not sure what you have against me but why would you say that this is something I shouldn't post here? You answer questions for years about people who abuse drugs, people who are total basket cases, etc. but you cannot simply give advice to someone who is actually taking a medication as it is suppose to be taken? I have a great relationship w. my doctor@ I am so lucky to have found such a kind, compassionate, caring doctor after so many idiots@of course I will discuss this with him when I go in week after next. I thought this was a place where we COULD ask questions, ask for advice, get support, etc. I guess everyone but me can have this? That is certainly how it appears since my questions basically are NEVER answered by anyone but Cat's Meow (she is a lovely, caring person from what I gather). So let me get this straight here: If I am a huge drug addict who abuses pills, or if I am a total basket case (who abuses pills), THEN you all come rushing to my aid, BUT if I am just a boring person who takes meds the way they are directed OR I take LESS than is directed, THEN I am not allowed to ask advice?? You just very, VERY coldly reply that this isn't the place for my question??? Are you kiddng me????? That's funny because it SAYS that this IS the place for it!!!!!!! Wow. THAT was really cold, un-compassionate, quite rude, NON friendly, etc. of you really! I'm pretty hurt by the fact that you even wrote that,,,,, since everyone else here gets embraced with compassion. Sorry dude, I was under the impression that this WAS the place that a person could ask questions about meds. Everyone else gets tons of coddling. Apparently I am different. WOW! :~( well, thanks Robert, you have actually really hurt my feelings with that cold reply of yours.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Mara13

Wow. O.k. I'm done holding my peace here. Robert, I'm really not sure what you have against me but why would you say that this is something I shouldn't post here? You answer questions for years about people who abuse drugs, people who are total basket cases, etc. but you cannot simply give advice to someone who is actually taking a medication as it is suppose to be taken? I have a great relationship w. my doctor@ I am so lucky to have found such a kind, compassionate, caring doctor after so many idiots@of course I will discuss this with him when I go in week after next. I thought this was a place where we COULD ask questions, ask for advice, get support, etc. I guess everyone but me can have this? That is certainly how it appears since my questions basically are NEVER answered by anyone but Cat's Meow (she is a lovely, caring person from what I gather). So let me get this straight here: If I am a huge drug addict who abuses pills, or if I am a total basket case (who abuses pills), THEN you all come rushing to me aid, BUT if am just a boring person who takes meds the way they are directed OR I take LESS than is directed, THEN I am not allowed to ask advice?? You just very, VERY coldly reply that this isn't the place for my question??? Are you kiddng me????? That's funny because it SAYS that this IS the place for it!!!!!!! Wow. THAT was really cold, un-compassionate, quite rude, NON friendly, etc. of you really! I'm pretty hurt by the fact that you even wrote that since everyone else here gets embraced with compassion. Sorry dude, I was under the impression that this WAS the place that a person could ask questions about meds. Everyone else gets tons of coddling. Apparently I am different. WOW! :~( well, thanks Robert, you have actually really hurt my feelings with that cold reply of yours.

mara ..... I didn't tell you that you shouldn't post here. I certainly didn't intend on hurting your feelings and if that's the case I apologize. I mean that sincerely.

All I said was that if your meds were affecting you adversely that you should take something less and talk with the prescribing dr about it. I would never attack you for posting. I just don't have the answer for every question as hard as I try to answer them. I hope you understand that I do the best I can and don't intentionally try to hurt anyone's feelings.

I definitely didn't mean to sound cold. I was just trying my best to be honest as I don't know all your history. Sorry for the misunderstanding and I hope things work out better for you. I'm still here and I'm willing to help you anyway that I'm able.

Please don't take my post personally as that was not the way it was intended for you in any way. I certainly don't want you to think I have anything against you as you've never done anything to me. God bless.

[tired2]

Hi Mara ...Please do not take this wrong but I think the reason you may not be getting an answer is b/c you have 19 threads out there wish makes it difficult to keep up with...you should stay on just the one.I see you have also mentioned taking other meds on a different thread .
Robert is always willing to help but if you notice this thread really doesn't have much info for him to go on .
So if you just stay on one thread with all your info then he will be able to help.
Take Care,
Pam

[Cats Meow]

Mara, give it some more time, it shouldn't be that drastic of a difference, if you notice a bit of a bump, that's a good thing, you should stabilize at that dose in a few days. You pain curve will change so it'll take a little time to get in synch and in tune with it. Don't take more then you know you don't need, that's common sense - duh, less it always better.

Robert didn't say anything out of line to you, I think you owe him an apology.

Cats

[chastesin]

they are just about the same. Morphine is just easier on the stomach than hydrocodone. Wanna keep that liver in tact! Morphine also takes a few days to adjust to. It does feel stronger because it has different side effects.

p.s. make sure you start taking some sort of laxitive or senna suppliment for constipation. It's really bad with morphine.

[Debpurpletiger]

Morphine IS stronger than Hydrocodone. Many times, people are prescribed both drugs, the MS Contin (time released Morphine) and Hydrocodone as a "breakthru pain" medication.

[Mara13]

I don't agree that I owe anyone an apology. I stand by exactly what I said because wether or not Roberts's answering post was meant to sound cold, it WAS cold. To the person who said it is hard to reply to my posts because there is so many of them, that is absurd. I think I posted in 3 different places about that subject@that was because the first 1 posted went for a few days w/o ANY response from anyone! (which rarely happens to most people who post) It is just so odd still, in my opinion, that people who abuse presciption meds come on here and get so much coddling when people like me, who have just as real Q's about meds we R taking, (for varying health issues), barely get Q's answered. I am no less in need of info on the Q's I may post about just because I'm not in dire straights. In Love@Light~Mara13

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Mara13

I don't agree that I owe anyone an apology. I stand by exactly what I said because wether or not Roberts's answering post was meant to sound cold, it WAS cold. To the person who said it is hard to reply to my posts because there is so many of them, that is absurd. I think I posted in 3 different places about that subject@that was because the first 1 posted went for a few days w/o ANY response from anyone! (which rarely happens to most people who post) It is just so odd still, in my opinion, that people who abuse presciption meds come on here and get so much coddling when people like me, who have just as real Q's about meds we R taking, (for varying health issues), barely get Q's answered. I am no less in need of info on the Q's I may post about just because I'm not in dire straights. In Love@Light~Mara13

Mara13 ........ I don't know what you have against me Mara13, I didn't ask for an apology from you or anyone else. Cats Meow made the suggestion about the apology as she has also spent thousands of hours on this forum just like I have trying to help people like you. It's uncalled for that we should have to listen to people chew on us for no good reason. And I don't "coddle" anyone (nor does Cats), we tell it like it is! We don't pat people on the back and say,"It's okay honey, don't worry, everything you're doing is just fine." We tell the truth.

I won't lose any sleep tonight if you don't apologize to me EVER. All I said was that if your meds are affecting you adversely you should discuss it with the dr that prescribed them. What is cold about that? It's good advice as no one here is qualified to be diagnosing you online. Legitimate drs don't do that online either. I don't know your medical history and it would be irresponsible to tell you what to do with your medications that were prescribed by the dr of YOUR choice.

I am a big boy, I don't need anyone to protect me, and I DIDN'T ask you for an apology. But I don't OWE anyone an answer that meets their specifications. In case you haven't noticed I'm NOT the one asking anyone for advice, you are. If me suggesting that you ask the dr about meds that don't affect you properly is being cold then so be it. It was meant to be sincere and good advice.

I apologized if I hurt your feelings, then I reiterated that I did not intend to sound cold, but if you still think I am cold and want to continue to complain about me then that's your choice.

It's not my obligation to reply to ANY posts if I don't feel like it. I don't get paid to sit here and wait for anyone's posts. I've taken thousands of hours out of my life over the last few years making suggestions that have proven consistently to be good solid advice. It's impossible to make everyone happy every time I make a reply. But I am DONE trying to make an apology to you, that's for sure. I won't bother you with another reply of any kind. God bless.

[Debpurpletiger]

Mara13, I Agree with a lot of what you had responded with to another poster..I have had similar problems myself like that one....

REGARDING you questions: Morphine, (MS Contin) 15mg, is a time released pain medication that is considered a good one, it is supposed to "Time release" over a period of 12 (usually 10) hours. If you are prescribed 2-
15mg tabs (I think you said) to be taken 1 every 12 hours, that is a fairly small starting dose. The ultimate goal with a long acting narcotic is to have you take as LITTLE of your break thru daily meds (Hydrocodone -Vicodin) as passible.

NEVER chew these, or break them in any way as all the Medication will release
at once.

I would give it just one week (7 days) to see if you adjust to thetypical "Side effects" of the med. if, after 7 days you still are having problems, call your doctor. You WILL have to go get a WRITTEN script again, as it is a Class II Narcotic, but maybe he could reduce you to 10mg twice a day.

I wish you luck and PLEASE let me know how you are. I am on MS Contin for one year and do know a lot about it.

Also, it ls a lot stronger than Hydrocodone, but for some people it has no effect on...kinda weird but everone reacts to a medication differently....

[kidmonster]

I also have hear in the forums that MS Contin will feel stronger than Hydrocodone, though I'm not sure why one is perscribed over another.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by kidmonster

I also have hear in the forums that MS Contin will feel stronger than Hydrocodone, though I'm not sure why one is perscribed over another.

MS Contin is prescribed for patients when an extended release medication is needed vs an instant release med like hydrocodone which also contains acetaminophen. Taken in large quantities the hydros can be toxic to the liver causing major damage. As Deb just explained hydros are often used in small amounts for breakthrough pain along with the time released MS Contin being safer for some patients. God bless.

[ialwaysdo]

I think you went a little over the top and proved to be insulting to all us drug addict , basketcases...Your angry post also suggests u may indeed be in the basketcase group...

[Psychmajor]

mmm i dont know why people are saying morphine and hydro are the same strength but morphine is actualy slightly stronger but robert is right hydro is much harder on the liver.

i wish i was a basketcase

I have taken both drugs as I was...am quite the pill head.. The hydrocodone is so much stronger as far was in pill form. I have never shot up, but the morphene is stronger for those people who shoot up. Anytime morphine was available to buy we would say no, no matter how good the price was. The morphine should not be stronger, depending on the person and how it is administered. The doc is your best friend, people just get embarrassed to talk to their doctor. Doctors should not judge you and will help you if you ask them.

[Psychmajor]

hmm.... crush the morphine and drink with water or snort it... do the same with the hydro... morphine is stronger but is control release usualy hense why one is a CII and the other is a CIV (or is it CIII? i forget these things) plus morphine lasts longer...

[cheekysod]

psychmajor, man you wish you were a basketcase,?
and crush it up and drink with water?

i personally think you are overstepping a fine line, and should think before any more of those kinds of posts.
are you a drug addict, what is your field of expertise, im a drug addict.
or trying to learn how a drug addict thinks?
coz you WILL NEVER KNOW, UNLESS YOU HAVE BEEN THERE. YOU CAN'T LEARN THIS FROM A BOOK.
man, are you some schoolkid, trying to learn, or an adult. think about it man. the things you say.

no wonder people have taken offense. read some of your posts back. you dont sound very helpful at all. pretty ignorant and judgemental,
not that you asked me, but you got it.
theres something to learn.