[11Bravo]

We spoke a long time back-I forgot my user name and password and well here I am-Robert we spoke on the phone back last January if that helps you recall I wrote some stuff about being premed and you asked me if I was quoting a text book? . Anyway. A little history to refresh you:
Started when I was about 15 but did not get hooked till i was 18 in the army(there is a reason why the call it ranger candy) I think they think that opiate wd is part of SERE training.
On the suboxone dillauded-oxycontin/codone merry go round for 5-7 years-about 3 years on sub. I successfully tapered down to a quarter of a 2 mg pill. Stayed on that for a few days(6,7) and then went to 0 from half a mg. I am on day 3. Okay nothing strange yet-sick as hell -but now check this out. My body metabolizes sub so fast for some reason that I was waking up in full blown wd even on 8 mg s and it pretty much never changed. This for me was the hardest part of the day, the idea of waking up in wd EVERY AM , 26 on the COWs sheet! WTF is that? Felt like I was shooting fentynal or something. It wasd crazy!!!! it would make me high as a kite every morning then would slowly wear off I would feel normal and then would wake up the same way!!!okay so the question is, forgive me I am garbled because my head is messed up, can i expect this hell-ride(and it is sooo bad even from this low dose) to ease up sooner? So I have 2 days from day zero and am on day 3 which is when most get sick but i been sick the whole fing time and its not from wd from the previous drop down in dose because i waited for that to subside.


I am so diaphoretic and I already have so weird health problems with my bp flying up to 220/140 and dropping to 70/40 in a minute(this is not an error or exageration) so I am nervous about all this. I get a lot of cardiac symptoms. I dont have enough clean laundry for all the damn shirts and sheets I have gone through!

I am getting slammed here and I feel like I should not be. .5 mg should not be kicking me like a horse wtf? I have wd from oxy and dilauded and all kinds of fentynol and percs and why this seems so bad is beyond me? Robert and Music man I could use some serious feedback as i am losing my stuff here. I have no interest in going back on the sub. My sponsor is a fck nut and is really useless to talk to And I feel too damn sick to go to a meeting. just gives the the old"oh yeah you want to do your program that's why your all jacked up and thats when he answers the phone. I am dripping everywhere so forgive the spell errors. God bless you guys are awesome!

[Robert_325]

I remember talking with you on the phone. I've wondered about you since then. I'm concerned for you when you talk about the blood pressure spikes and drops you're experiencing, having cardiac problems, etc. Man I don't want to tell you something that will kill you or even hurt you.

What is the dr saying about all this? I have lots of experience working withs subs but realize we're just on a forum here and you're talking about some serious medical issues. Tell me more about your experience with the drs and what they've told you please.

I am happy to help anyone I can but you know me well enough to know that I won't tell someone to do anything unless I'm confident that I'm telling them the right thing to do. Give me more info about what you're hearing from drs. I don't care about your sponsor, I've sponsored lots of people in NA too. These are serious medical issues we're talking about and those are out of a sponsor's league. Talk to me. God bless.

[11Bravo]

No worries-i have been so fing sick because i got a severe case of the WDs , which were kicking my A$$ , AND.....you ready? The flu! Now isn't that a mofo? I am burnt and kept forgetting my password and was too ill to try and mess with it.
Today is Day 9
My Bp seems stable. i cant get rid of the chills for my life. i wake up frozen and depressed in the wee hours of the morning, and am so tired i cant function yet so wired I cant sleep during the day for the most part.

I did not have the runs for 2 days and then bam gotta em again!
i am really worried about PAWs and if you recall I was thinking about doing the naltrexone therapy for like a week just to help get rid of the paws faster because I cant be sweating like this all the time. i need to be normal ASAP and because i have put myself and my family in financial ruin and need to get working and fix this. Will one more week of hell induced by naltrexone help rid me of paws?

[Robert_325]

You're in w/d not PAWS like I told you on the other post. PAWS don't happen after a few days. Let me help you taper down, don't just stop cold. You're other post freaked me out. I know about naltrexone therapy and can help you with that but it isn't anywhere near time to even consider that. You jumped off at .5mg and especially after using for so long you should have been going through a process of skipping days. God bless.

[Robert_325]

Here is a link for the COWS worksheet you were asking about. It's the clinical opioid w/d scale worksheet for determining your level of w/d symptoms. Stay in touch with me but please do it on one thread so I can keep up with you. God bless.

http://www.suboxone.com/pdfs/OWR.pdf

[11Bravo]

R U Saying that now that 8 days have passed that it is worth it to go back on? i understand acute withdrawal to last from 1-2 weeks.

[Robert_325]

Posted on your other thread where we've been talking. Check it out.