[mindy99]

Hi, its Mindy99. I have another thread started. I didnt start the suboxone the correct way and im trying to get straightened out.

However, i am miserable. The only thing keeping me from taking a roxi is knowing i wont feel it.

Today is day 7 on Suboxone. I started with Subutex and i think i felt a lot better on the Subutex.

Im a depressed and i just dont want to do anything.

Can anyone tell me how their first week was taking sub?

This really sucks.

Also, after taking for 7 days, am i pretty safe still not to be in big trouble with the sub? I know as soon as im off it, i will most likely use just to get this depression over with. I just cant stand myself.

xoxo

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by mindy99

Hi, its Mindy99. I have another thread started. I didnt start the suboxone the correct way and im trying to get straightened out.

However, i am miserable. The only thing keeping me from taking a roxi is knowing i wont feel it.

Today is day 7 on Suboxone. I started with Subutex and i think i felt a lot better on the Subutex.

Im a depressed and i just dont want to do anything.

Can anyone tell me how their first week was taking sub?

This really sucks.

Also, after taking for 7 days, am i pretty safe still not to be in big trouble with the sub? I know as soon as im off it, i will most likely use just to get this depression over with. I just cant stand myself.

xoxo

Mindy,

I'm on my way out the door after this for Easter services but had to comment first on this post. Why would you say you are going to use again after stopping subs? After going through all that you've experienced so far? That doesn't even make any sense.

I'm not being smart, I am sincere here, but if I fully intended to use again I sure wouldn't be doing all this to get clean. I would use. I'm serious even though that would be heart breaking I think for you. I would either get clean or use one or the other because this is WAY too hard if you aren't even going to bother trying to stay clean afterwards. I will be back later. God bless.

[mindy99]

What i was trying to say is i cant keep going on like this!! Yes, i want to be clean, but, i feel horrible and feel like im having a nervous breakdown, and crying all the time, (as i write this).

I just want to feel better. Whatever it takes.

xoxo

[melinda7.5]

Hi mindy
You just need to give this a little time. your nervous system is fried right now and it just needs a little time to settle down. So take a deep breath and tell yourself everything will be OK...
Just take it one day at a time or ten minutes at a time if you need to.
Talk to you later, Melinda

[mpvt]

How often and how much (mgs) buprenorphine are you taking. You sound underdosed to me?????...Dave

[mindy99]

My dr. wanted my to take 16-24mg the first week, (closer to 24).

I am suppose to be at 16 this week.

I was actually, trying to get down to 12mg because i am very scared of the WD from sub.

So, today is day 8 and i havent taken anything yet. I dont feel WD so why should i take it? Like i said, its doing nothing for my cravings and it makes me cry and very depressed.

Not that im not feeling like that anyway.

The other thought is maybe im reacting to the Naloxone (sp) in the suboxone and i should switch to the subutex. Gotta say, i felt amazing on the subutex.

xoxo

[mindy99]

i cant seem to find the answer to this, how many days do you think it takes till your body becomes addicted to sub?

Maybe i will start a thread on it.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by mindy99

My dr. wanted my to take 16-24mg the first week, (closer to 24).

I am suppose to be at 16 this week.

I was actually, trying to get down to 12mg because i am very scared of the WD from sub.

So, today is day 8 and i havent taken anything yet. I dont feel WD so why should i take it? Like i said, its doing nothing for my cravings and it makes me cry and very depressed.

Not that im not feeling like that anyway.

The other thought is maybe im reacting to the Naloxone (sp) in the suboxone and i should switch to the subutex. Gotta say, i felt amazing on the subutex.

xoxo

Mindy ... it's important to take your subs on a regular schedule even if you're NOT in w/d. Please understand that if you wait until you feel w/d symptoms before taking it this is going to be pure misery for you until you're done.

Take the subs as I mentioned and I believe some of your problems will stop. I didn't realize you were waiting on w/d symptoms before taking the subs. That is NOT the way to do this.

I do agree with you about the subutex though and wish your dr would change your RX. God bless.

[mindy99]

So, i waited till 1130 to take 2mg of sub. Now, im in a terrible mood, hot, depressed miserable.

Before, i was ok, not motivated, but, ok.

Have an appointment with sub guy tomorrow at 11.

If i cant get subutex, i think im quitting the sub. I just cant take it. What would happen if i went back to my DOC now? I dont care about being high, i just want to feel happier and normal.

xoxo

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by mindy99

So, i waited till 1130 to take 2mg of sub. Now, im in a terrible mood, hot, depressed miserable.

Before, i was ok, not motivated, but, ok.

Have an appointment with sub guy tomorrow at 11.

If i cant get subutex, i think im quitting the sub. I just cant take it. What would happen if i went back to my DOC now? I dont care about being high, i just want to feel happier and normal.

xoxo

Mindy ... I don't think going back to your DOC is the answer but I don't see anything wrong with asking your sub dr that question if he resists changing your script over to subutex. I think you should call his bluff sort of speak and see how he reacts.

The subutex would be better for you I'm almost positive. It's almost obvious you're reacting to the naloxone. Let me know how it goes for you at the dr. But please don't go back to your DOC at this point. There are other options if you really want to get clean which I believe you do. God bless.

[mindy99]

k, just took two more to get me to 4mg.

xoxo

[Robert_325]

Stay in touch today Mindy. Let's see if we can get this dose to where it needs to be to make you feel better before you go to the dr tomorrow. That way you've got some good concrete evidence of why you need the subutex.

If the 4mg doesn't make you feel better let me know. I'll make a suggestion when I hear from you again. Give it a good 30 mins or so. God bless.

[mindy99]

just had a massage and that lifted my spirits some.

She knows what im doing with the drugs, so it was nice to have support from her.

So, im feeling a bit better right now, because of the massage, kinda hot though and of course, the headache which never goes away (unless im not on sub). Not a lot of energy either.

Yes, i wont leave my computer today. I will follow exactly what you tell me to do.

I dont know if i told you, but, i was going to bring my husband with me, maybe the dr. will feel better seeing him and hearing my problems from him?

Dont know if i mentioned this either, but, ever since i started on the sub, i have been having a LOT more pain in my knees, while im sleeping, if i have to more, i have to use my hands to move my legs one way or the other. I didnt have that before the sub.

So, i am at 6mg now.

Again, cant thank you enough. I am so willing to stick with this, if i feel better. I would love to be off it in 21-28 days though. Im terrified of the thought of being sick from the sub.

xoxo

[mindy99]

Robert, what is my target amount today? 12?

Also, should i bring several pieces of data which show many people having a problem with suboxone? Bringing my husband should help too right? To be my witness.

Im 41 and he is 56 BTW. So, we are not a couple of kids.

xoxo

[Robert_325]

Yes try to keep it at 12mg, but it's also important to do your best to do it in only two doses each day if possible. You don't want to be taking little amounts throughout the day.

Drs get really annoyed when patients start showing them a bunch of stuff off the internet. Dr would probably tell you that I don't know what I'm talking about and I'm not a dr, that you should blow me off. They don't like people such as me.

You can certainly tell him though that you've read EVERYWHERE about naloxone affecting people and you're husband would definitely be positive reinforcements for you to verify your experience. I'm an oldie like he is. lol At least sometimes a dr will pay a little more attention to us than someone younger whether it's right or not. Just try not to become argumentative with the dr. If he is not enthusiastic about switching to subutex ask him WHY NOT??? Make him explain because I don't think he can give you a justifiable explanation. There isn't one if you don't shoot dope. Good luck and God bless.

[tired2]

Hi Mindy,
I have only been on Suboxone for little over month...my doctor asked me when I took my last pill ,which was hour prior then just handed me two scripts Subutex and Suboxone and sent me on my merry way to fill them 8mg to take twice a day. So I went home and did as I was told ,not to bad first couple days just sore muscles mostly at night. Well I thought my dose was wrong so I called him all I got was just continue to take your pills. My next appointment isn't for another 3 weeks .

I thought of increasing but instead I cut half off each pill ,bad idea got real nausea's muscle pain etc. so I went back on. Well I have pretty much been on the sofa since .I even thought of going back to pills but I really want off everything .So now I pop Dranamine to help the nausea.

Well I researched and found this site and Robert....I have been on drugs for most my adult life, however I never shot up. I'm 52 and just want off all drugs.I want to know what it's like to feel normal . I'm following his taper for the Suboxone .
Then I will need to get of Benzo's which I know will be hard.

God Bless

[Robert_325]

As soon as you are ready we will do the benzos. That is the REALLY fun one! I've been there too. It makes this seem like a piece of cake. Get ready. God bless.

[mindy99]

Tired,

So you have been taking 16mg for 4 weeks? And then you cut your dose in half, meaning 8mg? Im just a little confused.

My dr. is making me go every 5 days, but this has to end. Its costing a fortune, plus, its alot of time out of my day. Not that it matters much since i have no desire to work at all.

Today is day 8 for me and i will take 12 today.

ROBERT,

Ok, no papers. My dr. dosent want to hear one word out of my mouth as it is. Do you know, i have seen him two times and i still have not physically touched the man. Zero compassion. Anytime i want to throw a question into his spiel, he raises his finger to his lips and makes the shhhhhhh noise.

No interuptions, period.

Guy is a total dick.

So, yes, i will ask him why not?? You can check any part of my body and will fine zero needle marks except for the one the nurse made when she took blood from my arm at his office.

And no, he didnt have me stick a pill under my tongue in his office.

Anyway, just telling myself one more day, one more day.

I will work on two times a day. I wasnt going to take it at all today till i read your post and then i wondered if i might be asked to take some kind of test to see that i actually am taking the subs.

Last question, i have been having TERRIBLE diarrhea all day today. Could that have anything to do with cutting my dose from 16+mg a day for 5-6 days?

Oh yes, if you take sub, does it help with PAWS? Or will u still have to deal with it when you get off the subs?

Gotta tell u, im very afraid of tappering. So tired of being sick.

xoxo

[Robert_325]

Take some immodium AD for the diarrhea. That bothers me as that is a w/d symptom, as if you've not taken enough meds today. Take the Immodium as needed, take enough to help, and hopefully he will change you to the subutex tomorrow. Drs like that piss me off. You are the freakin customer! IF my dr dared to shhhhh me I would go NUTS on him. Who does he think he is anyway??? I would be HOT!

[tired2]

I was started on 16mg total a day (8mg twice a day) then after two weeks I dropped to 8mg (4mg twice a day) on my own ...bad idea. So went back to full 16mg per day three days later which I continued till the other day.
Now I started Roberts taper to 12mg total a day (6mg twice a day).I tought my nausea was better NOT...this drug is a beast !!! I'm feeling horriable. Sorry if I confused you.

Then I get to withdrawal from benzo's . I think these doctors need to try this stuff and experience what we are going threw.
Good Luck

[mindy99]

How do you feel at 12mg??? I cant believe you are already having problems. You were only on it 2 weeks!!!

xoxo

Robert,

It took every fiber in my being not to just go off on that man. I hope he shows his colors tomorrrow when my husband is there.

xoxo

[mindy99]

Now, im starting to get other WD symptoms. Unreal. I dont feel bad, per se, but, this is weird.

[tired2]

I'm feeling better now it seems like a roller coaster...hate it!!! I didn't think it would be like this since it was only a month either.This drug has a long life so hopefully I will be better after day 3 and not worse. When I started to withdrawal myself I started to feel sick on day 2 1/2 and went right back on but never really felt right after. I was having percipated w/d apparently.

I decided after reading a lot on this sight I'd ask for HELP!!! I don't feel alone anymore. I know my family is getting tired of hearing me complain, however they are supporting me.

I also found out later that my induction was not done correctly instead of starting low I was slapped on 16mg a day. My doctor told me I would only be on them for 4 -6 months then taper. However my doctors way is to drop me down by pill doses ending at 2mg which is the lowest dose. Boy I bet that would be a rough withdrawal . Glad I'm not going that route...sticking with Robert.

Good Luck at your doctors appointment on switching to Subutex . My doctor won't even see me till my appointment. That's what I plan to do too....hey maybe I will be lucky and off by then lol.

[mindy99]

Ok, going to the evil doctor. Took 8mg, like the good dr. told me too. Now i have a headache and im miserable. Yippie, gotta luv sub. NOT

[MidnightDevil]

Let us know how it goes ok?

[mindy99]

Ok, im going to start a new thread but wanted to finish this one with, i finally got the subutex!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!