[hkyjon33]

Hello, as the title sugests, this is my 1st post. I dont know where to start sohere it goes. I have chronic headaches and take vicodin on a regular basis. My DR. of 3 yrs left my kaiser so i was stuck in limbo for about 2 weeks. Wel l, the 1st couple of days were fine as usual (im not afraid to say these wernt my 1st w/d's off vic.) and then my buddy told me he had some ms contin sr 60mg. Well i took 2 the 1st day (1 in morning and 1 b4 bed) but it wasnt doing anything for my pain. So me being a dumb @$% i started taking 3-3 1/2 a day (im not afraid to say i once had a problem with pills so i tought i knew what i was doing). Well this went on for about a week and a half or so until i got my script for vic refilled. All together i think i tool 12-15 total. I stopped cold turkey and got back on my reg schedule of vic. i started to W/D a little witch i knew would happen but i have this killer stomach ache that feels like i am on the brink of puking but wont come up and its scaring me. i never got anything like this with vic w/d and i am wondering if there is something to sooth my stomache. My question is this, are these W/D pains and if so when are they gonna stop. i can deal with the hot/cold spells but didnt think i was gonna be w/ding this hard off that little amount. Im on my 3rd day (always the hardest) and for 2 days ive had this stomach ache (yesterday i thought i was hung over but today its the same. Is it safe to cold turkey that amount or do i need to go to the dr? My Vics help my stomach a tiny tiny bit but not that much. needless to say, ill never touch those again. Any asap help on this subject would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and god bless.

[hkyjon33]

its now the 4th day ... i took a methidone 5mg and it made me sick and the stomach ache is still here .... ive been having tomake myself throw up for any sort of relief but most the times it makes it hurt more. I woke up today with the runs a little but not WD runs (sorry to be so graphic) I have a fever as well of 101 and i never got that when WDing off vic... i am still on my regular scheduale of 8 5/500 a day and weining off those (was upto 12 for my migranines cause nothing else works for em and vic is only temp releif)... ive tried every meds out there and dont want to be on a nacotic that is over vicodin and all the normal meds for migranes ie.. topamax, toradal, maxor, etc make my headaches worse and make me sick. i dont know what to do anymore... im looking into a surgury where they cut nerves in the back of your neck that are strictly pain receptors but its new and experimental. Im tired of being a lab rat with all these meds so i treat my headaches with vicodin for temp relief and sleep them off.
All i know is im really scared of this stomach ache and dont know what to do. any info on migraines of the situation im going through plz plz plz respond. Any info big or small is very much apreciated. thanks again and god bless.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by hkyjon33

its now the 4th day ... i took a methidone 5mg and it made me sick and the stomach ache is still here .... ive been having tomake myself throw up for any sort of relief but most the times it makes it hurt more. I woke up today with the runs a little but not WD runs (sorry to be so graphic) I have a fever as well of 101 and i never got that when WDing off vic... i am still on my regular scheduale of 8 5/500 a day and weining off those (was upto 12 for my migranines cause nothing else works for em and vic is only temp releif)... ive tried every meds out there and dont want to be on a nacotic that is over vicodin and all the normal meds for migranes ie.. topamax, toradal, maxor, etc make my headaches worse and make me sick. i dont know what to do anymore... im looking into a surgury where they cut nerves in the back of your neck that are strictly pain receptors but its new and experimental. Im tired of being a lab rat with all these meds so i treat my headaches with vicodin for temp relief and sleep them off.
All i know is im really scared of this stomach ache and dont know what to do. any info on migraines of the situation im going through plz plz plz respond. Any info big or small is very much apreciated. thanks again and god bless.

I already mentioned on your other post that vics are not the best headache medication. Did you read that??? Have you tried zomig??? Vicodin is not the medication you should be taking.

[hkyjon33]

sorybout that Robert... i messed up and triple posted.... im looking at the one in disscsion.

[At Sea]

Have you tried Treximet? it's actually Imitrex with Aleve. I took the Imitrex, Zomig and a couple of other along with hospital IV therapy for 4 days with no relief. I got out of the hospital and they gave me Treximet, it's relatively new here. Let us know.

[hkyjon33]

imitrex makes me super ill and my headaches worse. They were going to try that but i had a violent reaction to imitrex so they didnt shoot me with that....ive taken a lot of diffrent pills, injections, ive been in the hospital for upto 2 weeks for my headaches. The whole time feeling like a lab rat withall the meds they shot me up with and made me take. A lot of people tell me the same thing that Vicodin isnt a good headache med and it causes headaches but i dont get rebound headaches with them. Vic DOES NOT take away the pain, it just dulls it. i know its bad to just treat the problem and not cure it but i lost my insurance about a week ago and i wont get it back until december when i get onmy wifes insurance (self employeed and cobra ran out from last job an to expensive to do on my own) I got todays doses of Vic. and after that its WD time YAY . O well, im just hoping that the morph. WDs make the vic WDs less. i went 2 wks w/o vic and went to morph until my script came in and ive only been taking the vics for 5 days and in WDs for the 5th day.... dont know whats gonna happen... i can get my hands on some methadone 5mg but do they really work and am i gonna WDoff them like the morphs? Ive been on a steady diet of 8-10 5/500 a day for a couple days,and about 6-8 a day for a year and a half, whats a safe method of detox? should i use the methadone and if so how much do i take? Or should i try the thomas recipie and go cold turkey ? (all general questions, feel free to add your 2 cents.) Ive been through them b4 and hate em but the worse they got was the runs and the sweats and restless legs at night... nothing like the stomache aches and vomiting like the morph. anyway ... any info would be nice. Thanks again everyone who has put there 2 cents in i really appreciate it and god bless.

[sisterwin2]

I think your going about this all wrong. Your just gonna chase narcotic after narcotic until you end up in jail or OD. Why don't you just decide to with drawl or not. As for the headaches, I would go to the ER and get some test done. Just because you don't insurance in todays world does not mean you don't get treatment.

You do have a MD and does he know your taking Morphine/Meth to keep from detoxing? You asking us to tell you how to take illegal drugs for a undiagnosed problem..

Just a thought here. If I am off base then I am off base. But just cant agree with getting opiates without MD following you. I did that for pain and I am a addict.

[cherry14]

Originally Posted by sisterwin2

I think your going about this all wrong. Your just gonna chase narcotic after narcotic until you end up in jail or OD. Why don't you just decide to with drawl or not. As for the headaches, I would go to the ER and get some test done. Just because you don't insurance in todays world does not mean you don't get treatment.

You do have a MD and does he know your taking Morphine/Meth to keep from detoxing? You asking us to tell you how to take illegal drugs for a undiagnosed problem..

Just a thought here. If I am off base then I am off base. But just cant agree with getting opiates without MD following you. I did that for pain and I am a addict.

I agree here...can't advise on something done illegally and without your doctor's knowledge. I don't see how you can compare taking MS Contin with taking Vicodin...and 180+ mg a day of MS Contin is NOT "such a small amount." No wonder you feel like ********************. Vicodin is not a good med for headaches to begin with, as was said, but MS Contin would be an even more inappropriate one. I don't even want to know where you got the methadone, and shame on the "friend" for giving you the MS Contin in the first place.

If you seriously have headaches that bad, daily, that you think you need meds of that caliber, you need to get it checked out more thoroughly, money or no money. Although the upside to going to jail would be you would be able to get medical treatment for free.

[hkyjon33]

i totally understand both of your points and i feel dumb for tking the ms contin .... that was a mistake ... Ive never made a dumber dessision in my life. When i detox, will it just start over again just as bad ? Im determind to not go with narcotic route (read my post in featured cndtions) im even cntemplating an experamental surgury... ive been to the er and specialist all over the country and this surgury seems to be a good option but im not done researching.... im just trying to go thru the minimal WDs (i know everyone says that) thats where the methadone came in... ive read good and bad things but cant consult my DR. cause i dont have one ne more, he left my health provider. Im sick and tired of being sick and tired... im trying to get off these.. im not obtaining any vic illigaly (all though MS contin was illegal and yes with friends like those, who needs enemies and yes my buddy handing me 4-5 5mg methadone is illigal but cant afford suboxone treatment, and tappering just doesnt work .... if i got em i take em.) i know i got a problem and i want to stop ... should i just cold turkey with thomas recipie? It was a harsh lession but i learned it.

[hkyjon33]

and also, that was my 1st experiance with any thing stronger than vic and percocet (took 2 in my life), ive been so conserned about becoming an addict and i became one....thats why i wanted to stay on vic cause my dr was wnting me on the phythanal patch and i said HELL NO !!! ive seen my friend go up the opioid ladder to bunch of oxy and perc. and soma....and i refused this whole time... i had a lapse in judgement and im paying dearly for it...

[hkyjon33]

ive made up my mind, im done but i want to minimize the WDs and thats where the methadone came in justto minimize WDs.....i am honest with myself and i know i need to stop and i am ready i just want to do it comfortably as posible.

[hkyjon33]

I treated the ms contin like my vics and didnt understand them.. thats y i took so much ... it was my 1st experiance with morphine and im lucky to be alive imho ... looking at posts, 180mg is insane and my body wasnt prepaired for it....but me being me i thought i knew what i was doing until i found this site and realized i almost killed myself... thats y i ask about the Methidone .... i agree and i dont think imma take that route cause im afriad of strong drugs (hardest street drug ive done is Pot, ive always been scared of death so i never indulged. i was always the driver when peeps were shrooming, baking, coked out, all this stuff and i puttting myself in this position is really bringing me down and depressing me ontop of the WDs.) and with this past experiance, ive scared myself into not wanting to even take advil....WDs scare everyone i know and i know its a part of messing with these things but i had to do something for my headaches ... ive seen 2 outta state specailists, countless meds and injections, dozens of 3 days to 2 week stints in the hospital for my head, 6 neurologists, and lots of case studies ive volontered for cause there has to b a better way to treat these things w/o narcotics, but i havnt found it yet. peeps have been helping me out with stuff that they take and ive tried it all and nothing even touches it. It just makes me sick and makes the headache worse (i know its hard to belive but my wife has seen em and ive been in the hospital for em so my health provider knows im not pill searching. Im just trying to find releif and im done with the vics.... enough is enough... there has to be something else out there. Is there anyone that has gone through this? if so chime in so i can run it by someone or research it.

[Eager to loose]

I have chronic headaches and take vicodin on a regular basis. I have read yours and some responses w taking medication to lesson your painful headaches/migranes, trying to get off some meds, withdrawl symptoms, what to try instead but I have not read if a 'cause' was found for your headaches. I suggest MRI and blood testing to rule in/out causes. I have met others with painful headaches/migranes and some of their causes were: high blood pressure, tumor, cyst, blood clot, glasses (yes just glasses), sinus problems, allergies to indoor/outdoor/food, spinal conditions, diabetes and nutient disorder but there may be more I am sure. There are addicts in this world, they are not born as addicts but become addicts for numerous reasons. I have seen people in withdrawl, it is not pretty but the pains do subside. I am not a doctor, dont plan to be one but many of the individuals i work with on a daily basis have numerous health problems/diagnosis and take many meds. If insurance is not in picture but you do have a dr you can still get a referral for MRI/bloodwork, you can go to er, you can apply for medical assistance or get insurance through an employer. If you are in the middle of jobs please remember to immediately sign up for 1 of their insurance plans offered when u start so u are automatically accepted into the insurance, if u delay taking employer insurance u may be turned down due to being previously employed & uninsurred or be labled with a pre-exisitng condition. Hope some of this helps u or even others.

[kybandit54]

Originally Posted by hkyjon33

imitrex makes me super ill and my headaches worse. They were going to try that but i had a violent reaction to imitrex so they didnt shoot me with that....ive taken a lot of diffrent pills, injections, ive been in the hospital for upto 2 weeks for my headaches. The whole time feeling like a lab rat withall the meds they shot me up with and made me take. A lot of people tell me the same thing that Vicodin isnt a good headache med and it causes headaches but i dont get rebound headaches with them. Vic DOES NOT take away the pain, it just dulls it. i know its bad to just treat the problem and not cure it but i lost my insurance about a week ago and i wont get it back until december when i get onmy wifes insurance (self employeed and cobra ran out from last job an to expensive to do on my own) I got todays doses of Vic. and after that its WD time YAY . O well, im just hoping that the morph. WDs make the vic WDs less. i went 2 wks w/o vic and went to morph until my script came in and ive only been taking the vics for 5 days and in WDs for the 5th day.... dont know whats gonna happen... i can get my hands on some methadone 5mg but do they really work and am i gonna WDoff them like the morphs? Ive been on a steady diet of 8-10 5/500 a day for a couple days,and about 6-8 a day for a year and a half, whats a safe method of detox? should i use the methadone and if so how much do i take? Or should i try the thomas recipie and go cold turkey ? (all general questions, feel free to add your 2 cents.) Ive been through them b4 and hate em but the worse they got was the runs and the sweats and restless legs at night... nothing like the stomache aches and vomiting like the morph. anyway ... any info would be nice. Thanks again everyone who has put there 2 cents in i really appreciate it and god bless.

i don't know if it will help or if you can get it but my nephew takes tomoxifin to help with w/d systems cause he was hooked on oxycontin that's what his dr give him i don't know about the headaches my daughter gets real severe headaches they have tried just about everything. the only thing that helps is she takes fiorcet w/advil and it seems to help her r yours stress cause my wifes is the same she goes sometimes 5 or 6 days non stop i know it is hard on w/d i have been taking percocet 10/325 for 5 yrs have only had to go into w/d for a couple a days at the most. i hope you can get some relief cause i know my wife and daughter really suffer bad from headaches sometimes good luck the ky bandit