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10-15-2009, 08:36 PM
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I've been lurking these forums for quite some time. I've been addicted to hydrocodone for about 2 years.
Today I started my suboxone program. I have 8mg subutex and I'm supposed to take 4 halves per day. He told me that I may not even need that much and to just take it when I really need it. He also said that I could be done with it in three months.
Its expensive for sure. The doctor visit was $350 for the initial induction and I paid 63.00 for 8 pills. Enough to last until I go back on Monday.
I just couldn't believe how I felt after I took the first half. It was such a relief knowing that I finally got myself into treatment. I'm looking forward to a life that doesn't revolve around pain pills.
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10-15-2009, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaggy Pickles  I've been lurking these forums for quite some time. I've been addicted to hydrocodone for about 2 years.
Today I started my suboxone program. I have 8mg subutex and I'm supposed to take 4 halves per day. He told me that I may not even need that much and to just take it when I really need it. He also said that I could be done with it in three months.
Its expensive for sure. The doctor visit was $350 for the initial induction and I paid 63.00 for 8 pills. Enough to last until I go back on Monday.
I just couldn't believe how I felt after I took the first half. It was such a relief knowing that I finally got myself into treatment. I'm looking forward to a life that doesn't revolve around pain pills.
Anyways I just wanted to get that out into the open. Thanks for reading. |
Congratulations for making the choice to go with subutex in lieu of taking RX opiates. The problem here is the amount of subs that you've been RXd.  Probably 80% of the people on this forum having problems because of their doses all began at a dose similar to yours at or about 16mg per day.
The following link is the way I suggest to our members the amount of subutex
required for therapy. The most common problem is the over prescribing of the medication. Most sub drs just plain and simple RX too high of doses. This causes problems with the side effects of too high a dose as well as causing problems with patients not being able to end their therapy in a timely manner.
Check out the following link. If you would like my help let me know. Feel free to read around the forum and ask questions of other forum members verifying the information I have given you. Let us know how I can help you. God bless. http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html
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10-15-2009, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaggy Pickles It looks like I put this into the wrong forum. Could a mod please move this to the appropriate forum please? |
You don't have to worry about where you placed the post. More of a concern is the amount of medication you've been RXd. Read more on the replies in this thread and other threads. Let me know if you want my help. God bless. 
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10-15-2009, 10:18 PM
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dont know where to post or how to contact you robert but wanted to ask you for advice with suboxone taper. I need help and new to this so i dont know how to go about messaging you. thanks. |
10-15-2009, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by anonymousgirl dont know where to post or how to contact you robert but wanted to ask you for advice with suboxone taper. I need help and new to this so i dont know how to go about messaging you. thanks. |
I will be happy to help you with subs. I've been doing this for years with quite a bit of success. I have an appt early in the morning with an orthopedic surgeon regarding my left knee but I will be home during the early afternoon when I would be available to answer any questions you may have.
I recommend you read the following link during the meantime. Pay close attention to the INDUCTION section of the link and provide me with as much info as possible regarding your medical history. I will be available to help you then tomorrow afternoon. Hope that helps.
I will see all your posts if you'll reply to me directly here on this thread. I will look for your information right here when I come in tomorrow. Let me know if you want my help.
In the meantime read around the forum and ask others about the success of the following plan for using subs. We have an incredible success ratio with subs here on the forum using the linked sub therapy plan. God bless. http://www.drugs.com/forum/featured-...apy-50887.html
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10-15-2009, 10:34 PM
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Thanks for the link
I've been doing a LOT of reading about it and I too think he prescribed too high of a dose however I'm gonna try just a half in the morning and the other half in the evening. He did say I didn't have to take that many though.
I'm feeling really good mentally about it. I'm looking forward to a pill free life. I shudder to think of the money I've burned on them but that's all over and done with. |
10-15-2009, 10:44 PM
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oh thanks so much for responding going nuts have seen you help lots of people on here. tuesday nights started suboxone way too early and had the precipitated withdrawals right away am okay now. screwed the whole thing up i guess. the problem is i have 11 8mg subs to work with. i am trying to do a quick detox from about 3-4 100mg morphine pills a day mixed with about 10-20 percs or vicodins too sometimes. i got the subs from a friend. tues night started with an 8mg sub last time i had the morphine was 24hrs before so i guess it wasnt enough cuz i felt horrible and was crying and puking withing a half hour. next day being wed took 8mg in morning and 8 at night felt ok but sweaty and chills bad nothing compared to what cold turkey withdrawal would be so i know its working but it no way feels like a wonder drug where i feel great. today being thursday i had 2 8mgs in the morning and 1 at night, i know from reading your post thats probably way too much but i was hurting and it made me feel better no chills today just sweating and tired. So heres the deal i have 11 8mg subs left. Am i hopeless? Is this enough to help me get off everything or should i not even bother? I am very confused and scared. Hoping you could maybe help me to come up with a plan using what I have to work with. I just want to get thru this. Thanks so much sorry for rambling hard to get it all out. Good luck tommorow sorry for bad timing.  |
10-15-2009, 11:01 PM
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If you think u can help me if you would tell me exactly how much to take each day until i am done. I really don't want to get any more pills of sub, just wanted to see if I can make it with what I have. I am willing to deal with being uncomfortable to a point but don;t want to end up in full withdrawal at the end because then there would be no point in me dragging it out if its gonna happen anyway? I don't know confused. I am sure having the sub while the morphine gets out is way better than not right? If at the end there is withdrawal from the sub it should be nothing compared to what it would have been going cold turkey from the morphine right? As far as medical history, nothing is wrong with the really other than being an addict. I have depression and anxiety. In my teen years I had a heroin addiction that got up to a bundle a day. Kicked it for a few years and thought I had turned my life around, got married, had kids. Well thats when the pills started. Easily available and justified it in my head as being okay not nearly as bad as "real drugs" you know the thinking, helped me get lots done in a better mood etc. So have had problems for about 6 years now with the pills having good periods of not using when I had was pregnant with my children. I want to quit once and for all and be the mother my children deserve. As much as I was taking now, no one would ever know, I barely felt it, no nodding off nothing, just "normal" you know what I am talking about I am sure. So wasting tons of money, ruining my body, risking a lot for "normal". Time to get off and get a life! Please help! Looking forward to hearing back from you. I really hope you can help me with what I have to work with being the 11 8mg subs.
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10-16-2009, 06:03 PM
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This is day two of the subs. I took 4mg this morning at 6 AM and another 4mg when I got home from work at 4:30 PM. I'm thinking I can get by on 8mg a day instead of the 16mg as he prescribed. I really don't want to trade one addiction for another. |
10-16-2009, 08:45 PM
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I've sat here for the past 3 hours reading the stories on suboxone and was wondering if tomorrow I should go lower and stick with that for a few days or just stay with 8 for 2 more days then go to 6. Robert325 I know you are extremely busy helping everyone but I'd like to follow your advice with this.
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10-16-2009, 09:12 PM
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I was also wondering if I should request to stay on the subutex that I'm on now? I read somewhere in here that the subutex is easier to come off of than the suboxone |
10-16-2009, 10:47 PM
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Today i had one 8mg in the morning and a half tonight and am okay. Will look forward to hearing from you robert i have 9 left I think and its been since monday i haven't had the morphine or anything else. Let me know what you think or your advice. Thanks again. |
10-16-2009, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert_325 You don't have to worry about where you placed the post. More of a concern is the amount of medication you've been RXd. Read more on the replies in this thread and other threads. Let me know if you want my help. God bless. | If you wouldn't mind I would very much like to follow any taper plan you have. Thanks |
10-17-2009, 03:08 PM
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today saturday i woke up feel good. didn't feel like i need anything so i just took a half 8mg sub going to try to get thru the day with only this. i didn;t even take it until about 2 or 3 in the afternoon. I am wondering what would happen if i just took a half tommorow again then cut down even more thinking that my body isn;t addicted to the subs yet so I want to try to get off quick. No bad symptoms other than a tiny bit dizzy if I get up too quick. Hope to hear from you robert to tell me what you think. Today is day 5 without morphine,percs, or vics. Can't believe it. Hope I can get off with what I have left without problems we will see.
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10-17-2009, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by anonymousgirl today saturday i woke up feel good. didn't feel like i need anything so i just took a half 8mg sub going to try to get thru the day with only this. i didn;t even take it until about 2 or 3 in the afternoon. I am wondering what would happen if i just took a half tommorow again then cut down even more thinking that my body isn;t addicted to the subs yet so I want to try to get off quick. No bad symptoms other than a tiny bit dizzy if I get up too quick. Hope to hear from you robert to tell me what you think. Today is day 5 without morphine,percs, or vics. Can't believe it. Hope I can get off with what I have left without problems we will see. |
I know you've been confused with me gone for a couple days. But understand that not following that link I asked you to follow has been the cause of your problem. You are switching your doses around as you've seen fit and that has caused you problems.
Let's start over basically. Read your posts immediately following me asking you to pay close attention to the induction section of the post. But you've taken 16mg in a day, which is exactly opposite of what I asked you to do. I emphasize that only small amounts are necessary and these high doses hurt more than they help. REad your posts on 10/14 and 10/15. You're taking twice as much sub at least as you need. Hence the problems.
Tomorrow lets start over. In the morning take 4mg and in the afternoon take 4mg. That is all, don't take anymore than that. Let me know how you're feeling in the afternoon and we'll make adjustments as necessary. But don't take more than that,less than that, don't change anyting from those suggestions until we see together how it's affecting you. Then we'll get you on the right track and have you settled down in no time.
Everyone stop fussing and let's stry to help each othe. I'll be on here tomorrow and later this evening. God bless.
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10-17-2009, 08:25 PM
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hi anonymous girl, i started a thread called "anonymous girl - a thread for you. it is on the "need to talk" forum.
i seen you on the other thread getting a hard time, so started one for you, i had trouble seeing this one as well, as its on another forum. takes a while to figure this place out i think. learning curve. i did the same, dont worry.
i don't know if you want to use it as your own personal thread or not, if not, it will just keep heading down the list, and onto old pages, but if so. cool.
hope things go well for you. listen to robert, (hi robert, hope you are feeling ok),
anonymous, stay here, or use the other one, whatever is best for you, im just trying to pay it forward, all the support i have received here.
im about 4 months on subs, down to 1.5mg, and counting.
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10-17-2009, 08:38 PM
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i seen you ask a couple of questions, and one i can answer confidently for you, there is no difference in suboxone or subutex when it comes to coming off the stuff.
suboxone has naloxone put in it, so junkies cannot inject it without going into withdrawls. thats the only difference, so coming off either would be the same.
i see you were on hydros, not injecting, thats why you got subutex. no issue for you.
not sure what dose you should go for next, if in doubt, stay put till you hear from robert.
all i can say is you are sooooo wise to only go with 8 in the first place, as your doctor doesnt know how YOU feel on it.
probably tho 6 would be your lowest effective dose, once you stabilize, but hang on till you hear for sure, i dont wanna get in trouble for giving bad advice.
i am down to 1.5mg, its taken me 4 months, started far too high, 14. got to 8 reasonably quick though.
good luck shaggy, all the best |
10-17-2009, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cheekysod i seen you ask a couple of questions, and one i can answer confidently for you, there is no difference in suboxone or subutex when it comes to coming off the stuff.
suboxone has naloxone put in it, so junkies cannot inject it without going into withdrawls. thats the only difference, so coming off either would be the same.
i see you were on hydros, not injecting, thats why you got subutex. no issue for you.
not sure what dose you should go for next, if in doubt, stay put till you hear from robert.
all i can say is you are sooooo wise to only go with 8 in the first place, as your doctor doesnt know how YOU feel on it.
probably tho 6 would be your lowest effective dose, once you stabilize, but hang on till you hear for sure, i dont wanna get in trouble for giving bad advice.
i am down to 1.5mg, its taken me 4 months, started far too high, 14. got to 8 reasonably quick though.
good luck shaggy, all the best | Thanks. After I registered here it didn't take long to see that Robert was the go to guy for this. Then I noticed that he was having knee surgery so I just put my questions out there and figured he would get to them when he could.
I'm glad I read the link that Robert posted before I did what the doctor had asked. I'll stay with the 8 for now. I feel really good atm. I think 16 would have been way too much.
The suboxone horror stories scare the hell out of me lol. I'm feeling really good knowing that I finally got help before the hydro addiction got any worse. Its like a huge weight is off my shoulders. I know I'm not out of the woods yet but I'm on my way.
Thanks again |
10-17-2009, 09:32 PM
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Hi shaggy pickles
I just wanted to say hi and tell ya...I have seen some good names since I have been on the forum...but yours has to be the best so far...
you have got to tell me where you came up with it...LOL...
Talk to you soon, Melinda |
10-17-2009, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by melinda7.5 Hi shaggy pickles
I just wanted to say hi and tell ya...I have seen some good names since I have been on the forum...but yours has to be the best so far...
you have got to tell me where you came up with it...LOL...
Talk to you soon, Melinda | Believe it or not my 8 y/o son came up with it as a username for a game he plays. It cracks me up every time I think about it. My son loves pickles and Scooby Doo so I'm guessing that's how he got it. That kid is a riot lol |
10-18-2009, 03:12 PM
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okay robert, took just 4mg this morning feel fine. So the major problem is only having 6 and a 1/2 8mg subs left to work with. Let me know if you can how you would taper with what I have. I really appreciate your time. Sorry I posted on the other thread I meant absolutely no harm at all I just didn't know if by accident you forgot about me. Thanks to the others for looking out for me it means a lot and if you didn't I probably would have just been too turned off and never posted again. |
10-18-2009, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaggy Pickles Believe it or not my 8 y/o son came up with it as a username for a game he plays. It cracks me up every time I think about it. My son loves pickles and Scooby Doo so I'm guessing that's how he got it. That kid is a riot lol | Is the game Webkinz?? My niece showed me the website, and I hate to admit it, but I go on all the time and play!! It's actually fun!! |
10-18-2009, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by anonymousgirl okay robert, took just 4mg this morning feel fine. So the major problem is only having 6 and a 1/2 8mg subs left to work with. Let me know if you can how you would taper with what I have. I really appreciate your time. Sorry I posted on the other thread I meant absolutely no harm at all I just didn't know if by accident you forgot about me. Thanks to the others for looking out for me it means a lot and if you didn't I probably would have just been too turned off and never posted again. | I am so glad you posted again! I was a little worried we would never hear from you again. The good news is you are here now and Robert is helping you. We are here for you anonymousgirl! Keep us up to date on how you are doing. |
10-18-2009, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by doc.rose Is the game Webkinz?? My niece showed me the website, and I hate to admit it, but I go on all the time and play!! It's actually fun!! | I think its Free Realms. A browser based game that's free. He plays that and a few Star Wars game. Hes a Star Wars fan like his old man |
10-18-2009, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Shaggy Pickles I think its Free Realms. A browser based game that's free. He plays that and a few Star Wars game. Hes a Star Wars fan like his old man | Oh! Sorry, the name sounded so much like a name from a Webkinz account!! Nice chatting with you!! Good luck and congratulations on deciding to get clean!! You will have so much support from people on this forum! |
10-18-2009, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by doc.rose Oh! Sorry, the name sounded so much like a name from a Webkinz account!! Nice chatting with you!! Good luck and congratulations on deciding to get clean!! You will have so much support from people on this forum! | Thanks!
This forum is great for the support. Like a lot of people here there is no one in my life that I can talk to about this. I'm glad to see that I'm not alone in dealing with this. |
10-18-2009, 04:17 PM
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Just wanted to say real quick to shaggy pickles I also didn't mean to jump into your post either when I did. I didn't know how all of this worked and just wanted to reach Robert. I guess i should have started my own thread but at the time didn't know so wanted to say sorry real quick. i have no bad intentions to be rude to anyone my only intention is to get help so I can stay clean and be healthy for my kids. Thanks everyone for looking out. |
10-18-2009, 04:23 PM
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No worries!! You didn't know how the threads work. And even if you did, it is not a big deal if you do post on other threads that aren't yours. Most people don't care if and where you post. But in Robert's case, since he is the one giving you your tapering schedule, it might be easier for him for you to post on your own individual thread. Have a good day! |
10-18-2009, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by anonymousgirl Just wanted to say real quick to shaggy pickles I also didn't mean to jump into your post either when I did. I didn't know how all of this worked and just wanted to reach Robert. I guess i should have started my own thread but at the time didn't know so wanted to say sorry real quick. i have no bad intentions to be rude to anyone my only intention is to get help so I can stay clean and be healthy for my kids. Thanks everyone for looking out. | No need to apologize. The important thing is you are reaching out for help for yourself and your children.
Good luck with everything and I hope it all works out for you. |
10-18-2009, 04:37 PM
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K so Robert you just let me know if you want me to post here or on the thread that was started for me by the others. Thanks and sorry for all the confusion. Also feel not so good. Weird feeling in my head hard to explain. I don't know if you have ever gone on an ssri but if you have maybe you can relate to how when you first start taking one it feeling like your head is really full of pressure in a weird way like your ears need to pop type of thing and sort of dizzy like your vision is off a bit, and also nerves are bad feel very shaky. I am not on a ssri right now just saying its the same type of feeling.
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