[liv2ride]

I found this reading the board, but decided to post it again for those who haven't found it and for all us "newbies". Peace and good luck to all of those here stuggling with addicition.


"PLEASE NOTE: I am not a doctor, simply a long-time Rx opiate junkie who has had many opportunities to develop a way to detox. This is a recipe for at-home self-detox from opiates based on my experience as well as that of many other addicts. It is not intended as professional medical advice. It is always wise to make sure none of the recipe ingredients or procedures conflict with medications you may be taking. Likewise, if you have any medical condition, disease, allergy or any other health issue, consult your doctor before using the recipe. Thanks, Thomas

THOMAS RECIPE

If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.

For the Recipe, You'll need:

1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.

2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).

3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.

4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper, Magnesium and Potassium (you may not find the potassium in the same supplement).

5. Vitamin B6 caps.

6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).

How to use the recipe:

Start the vitamin/mineral supplement right away (or the first day you can keep it down), preferably with food. Potassium early in the detox is important to help relieve RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome). Bananas are a good source of potassium if you can't find a supplement for it.

Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.

During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.

Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.

At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.

Continue to take the vitamin/mineral supplement with breakfast.

As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.

Thomas"


Also, check out this sight if you like, it was really informative for me - it has some great information on getting clean using primarily nutrition, suppplements, and exercise. It's written by a physician specialized in treating opiate withdrawal. It also talks about what abusing opiates does to our brain, which is scaring me into kicking this **** to the curb!

http://www.dpeg.org/treatment/methadone_withdrawal.htm

[alisonjane]

what if you don't have an Rx for Valium?? I don't have health insurance and very little money for medication anyway, how could I use Valium to help me get off the OC??
Sorry, but it doesn't seem like this would work for many people who get drugs from the streets. I am trying really hard. This sucks though.

[liv2ride]

true, i know benzo's can be hard to come by, i have heard of people using something like benedryl instead, or an over-the-counter sleeping medication (at least to use at night). your right, its hard when you dont have insurance, and even over-the-counter remedies cost money! maybe you could try just using what you can get a hold of. i actually posted the recipe because i've heard it is helpful, and from the other sources ive read, it makes sense. i am using a version of it myself, although im using a tapering method with vicoden and i have been relatively comfortable (i believe the recipe was actually written for the cold turkey method)
best wishes and best of luck to you!

"I'd rather be snowboarding."

[Kittie]

instead of valuim (sp?), can we use tylenol pm? That's a great otc med to get you to sleep through the night!

[mpvt]

Stay away from this rapid detox it's **** and people have died doing it.They charge a large sum of money for knocking you out and then filling you up with nalaxone.There is no quick way to overcome addiction don't give your money to these people use it for real treatments.....Dave

[iceman27]

I was prescribed valium and codeine and it works great for me. It has also worked for me before in a detox hospital.It's also great to you a535 for muscle aches and pains and drinking lots of fluids like water or juice

[Gillian McKee]

Hi there
I had a car accident 6 years ago and started on narcotics right away for pain - Codeine then Oxycontin then Morphine back to Oxy etc etc. 3 months ago I decided that I needed to get off these narcotics since I was physically addicted to them.
I was going to go to a treatment facility but went online and found THE THOMAS RECIPE - I decided to give it a try and my doctor gave me Valium and I went to the health store and got everything else. It was tough and I have to say that 3 days was not really enough for me it took a week or so and every time I woke up I had to take another valium to sleep cause the withdrawal effects were pretty bad and different each day. I stayed home and my husband stayed with me and took care of me. I am now 3 months drug free - I dont even take Valium. I feel so much better - I actually remember things now I feel like I went around in a haze for 6 years! I still have some back pain but Aleve or Ibuprofen helps and so does resting for an hour or so. THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR THIS RECIPE!!!
I would still be addicted to Morphine if I hadnt found this site!
I would recommend it to anyone addicted to narcotics. Just remember it takes time and faith.

Thanks Again
Gillian

[mattyA]

I have read this on many different sites in the past, in theory it sounds almost painless. Personally, when I have detoxed, getting sleep from ANYTHING is impossible. Tylenol PM, Xanax, Valium - nothing works, my body just laughs at me. That is the worst part for me; the sleep thing is usually why I relapse.

[Squach]

I dont know about you but I could find Valium on the streets no prob. As for the klonopin it nock my dick in the dirt then I got violent. As for the heath food the L-Tyrosine good idea & so is the Jacuzzi. All this would be good with the small use of Sub. SAS<><

[gr8ful1]

quote:Originally posted by mattyA

I have read this on many different sites in the past, in theory it sounds almost painless. Personally, when I have detoxed, getting sleep from ANYTHING is impossible. Tylenol PM, Xanax, Valium - nothing works, my body just laughs at me. That is the worst part for me; the sleep thing is usually why I relapse.

I'm with you, MattyA. Nothing could "knock me out" either perscription or OTC. I found that what would help me(after months of no sleep)is OTC Unisom (the GEL Caps). I had to take about 8 of them, but it would eventually put me under.

I'm not recommending this stuff for anyone. Each of us have different reactions to different drug. I'm just saying that's what worked for me after a period of time.

By the way, that "sleep thing" had me leaving a few rehabs way before my 28 days were up. It seemed like the "worst" junkie that I saw come in, was sleeping like a baby in a few days. Not being able to sleep (and I mean for LONG periods of time - months and months)was my worst enemy too. I would actually get such anxiety when the time to "go to sleep" was coming near.... I couldn't have slept like that anyway.

We didn't get the way we are overnight and we ain't getting out of it overnight either... TIME seems the only cure for me and that s**ks!

Bill

*** Always Put Off Until Tomorrow What You Shouldn't Do At All ***

[addict doc]

If you go to a doc for help, ask for Seroquel samples. It is a major tranquilizer/antipsychotic-- I use it for patients when high doses of benzos fail.

[schmoke]

i tried to quit herion for 3 years. I was using at least 100$ a day. I got on methadone.. tried suboxone. .clonidine.. everything.

I am now on day 20 of being clean. I didn't think I could ever do it. This is the way that I did it.

-Get yourself like 200 xanax, valium (strong benzo) (get a prescription and just keep them a month or 2.. or get ur own way.. order online?)
-Prescription from dr. for clonidine (help withdrawls.. a must)
-Good multivitamin (i think it helped me feel better)
-Muscle ache cream like bengay (village naturals natural muscle relief is the brand i used.. i got the lotion and the salts u put in bath.. check out the stuff they got at hardtofindbrands.com or just goto hi-health store, http://hardtofindbrands.com/cf/produ...4&search=alpha)

-Access to massages/spa
-Ensure (health supplement drinks)
-Immodium (for the runs)

-L-tyrosine (tried this a few of the days.. take this if you want to feel like your tweeking out and need to get something done.. don't take this while on the benzo's)



Wake up drenched in sweat.. start off with like 4 .01MG clonidine and 6 1MG benzo's like xanax. Do whatever u can to not use until that **** starts to kick in. The xanax (when u take enough will not make you know what day.. time or year it is.. hell doing this method u can even drink beer while detoxing from herion.. start to feel like using.. down a fat tire or 2 and u will pass out no matter what. Wake up and repeat until your either our of benzo's or waking up normally. Make sure to not get yourself into any trouble while on all of those benzo's.. maybe have some body that is sober to limit you at like 20 - 30 a day..so 20 - 30 mg a day.. that's about how many i was going thru.. 4 - 6 1MG at a time.
Goto get a massage.. it's 50$.. that ain't **** and you will feel like a new person when you leave you will be suprised...or you can just slam a half gram and have nothing still... sit in the bath/spa all day **** it... Take the immodim as often as needed.. I would usually take 2 of them in the morning and they seemed to work pretty good. You won't feel like eating so drink the ensure's to get rid of the feeling of wanting to faint from no food/nutrition. Take 2 more clonidine during the day if you feel sweaty/stomach hurts.(the clonidine will help with the cold sweats so much).

Now the hard part about this is.. Don't get hooked on the benzo's. I gave my wallet, keys , credit cards, everything to my girlfriend so i wouldn't just take off and be an idiot like i've been alwayse.

You got to get that **** off your mind. Your not getting any. You can't get any. You won't get any. You duno why you feel sick. If you can think nothing about using.. don't think about needles.. get rid of all of them just flush them all so you have none laying around.. you will be to sick to goto Walmart and get new needles if you find cottons laying around and ****.. all that will do is prolong your withdrawling.. if you stick to the method I told you.. it will be quicker then u think.

Get support.. and just ******* do it... it feels good to not have to be constantly worrying about my ******* at least 50$ a day habit. good luck to all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



don't get on suboxone or methadone!!! get trapped like everyone else.. If you do descide to try 1 of these.. only take like 1 or 2 suboxone for a few days and then just withdrawl.. or goto methadone clinic they will start you out at 30 mg.. go for like 3 - 4 days.. then just stop going TRUST ME. suboxone and methadone are both just traps

[Myrddin1]

Originally Posted by mattyA

Personally, when I have detoxed, getting sleep from ANYTHING is impossible. Tylenol PM, Xanax, Valium - nothing works, my body just laughs at me. That is the worst part for me; the sleep thing is usually why I relapse.

I'm the same way. How can you heal, if you can't relax & sleep?
In fact the OTC sleeping pills & or benzo's make it worse. They make you exhausted, but still, no sleep cause of the severe RLS. Absolute hell it is.

However, I have found that L-Tyrosine or L-Dopa coupled with the vitamin regimen does take the edge off. Still not enough to sleep, though.
I've tried everything. Seriously, I've combed the web & consulted with many Doc & people. If you're like me you just have to suffer through it. & man can it be hell. An always awake, restless hell.

Until I read "gr8ful1"s post I'd never heard of it lasting more than 3-6 days.
I can't imagine a worse hell than months of severe withdrawal RLS.

Seriously, if I die & go to hell. That's what it will be. Except that added to it there'd be nothing but Techno to listen to & do.

[andwaski]

I am currently 24 years old and sober from oxycontin. I had a horrible experience with oxy wd-s. When I was 19 years old my daily habbit for a good 7 months was at least 4 80mg oxy a day. My father sent me to a ranch in new mexico which I agreed to attend for 12 months. When I arrived there I was told that there was absolutely no detox program and I would have to tough it out. let me tell you, being 40 miles from town in the middle of ********************in nowhere in nm, this was complete hell. but only for 4 days the wd-s lasted for me, It was 4 days of my life that i completely do not regret. anyone who doubts themself in this situation...do not give up! I had no choice and would have done anything to get outa there but toughing it out worked and i worked my ass off when i was there. Now I try and go back to the place I thought i would never get out of and I visit with old mentors and when i think about it, it was the best time of my life...so if u are struggling with opiate addiction feel free to email me and i can give u some pointers. I will give a few pointers now though...One thing is that getting a script for suboxone will help your withdrawls but u have to look fook forward to the WDs from that which last 15 days to a month...so just quit and get it the ******************** over with and get on with your life, because you know it can be better than it has been going...right?

[lilbri]

Andwaski if wd-s lasted only 4 day's what did you do the outher 11 month's and 3 week's. And why are you up writing this at 220 in the morning. brian.

[drewsk404]

New forum member here, came across this thread searching google about opiate detox remedies. I gotta say, this really does work.

I was a heroin user for 2+ years, then was on methadone for 6 months and then suboxone for another 6 months after that. I tapered my suboxone use down to 1/4 of a 2mg pill every day and then stopped. 2-3 days later, the withdrawals began. And believe me I felt awful.

If I am correct, suboxone withdrawals, when tapered off properly, will last 2-3 wks. I was about 1 week into it and feeling terrible, basically just had no energy and had a hard time sleeping. Lots of back pain too.

Anyway, I was able to obtain some xanax but I really don't even think I needed it. Fortunately did not need Immodium either. What I did find was the best out of all of this was the L-Tyrosine + multivitamin supplements + extra potassium supplements + CVS's Super-B complex + vitamin C.

Yesterday, I felt like ********************. I had been taking the benzos, they didn't really help anything except with sleep. I will also say that melatonin is a good thing to add to this list. It will help with RLS and aches/pains when trying to sleep. Oh yeah, hot showers are great too. Been doing that at least once a day for muscle aches.

Anyway, the L-tyrosine, which I have found that combined with B6 converts in your brain to Levodopa, Dopamine, Norepinephrine, and Epinephrine, has had a great increase in my alertness and feeling of well-being. My "malaise" seems to be almost 100% gone after one day of use @ 3000mg total (but don't forget I was already 1 week into a 2-3 week detox).

All the benzos really did was make me more dreary for the first week, still feeling withdrawals unless I took enough to forget I was detoxing off something as strong as suboxone.

I was taking B1/2/6/12 and multivitamins before today, however adding the potassium and L-tyrosine to this supplement has had a DRASTIC improvement in the way I feel. If it weren't for these two additional supplements, I think I would be feeling horrible once again today.

THANK YOU THOMAS. YOU HAVE PROVIDED A STEPPING STONE INTO NO MORE OPIATES AND RECOVERY FOR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Andrew

*edit* One thing I must add. Possible side effect if you smoke cigarettes like I do unfortunately...I have noticed an increased craving to smoke, sort of similar to when I was on suboxone, or probably just more as normal for me. Had been smoking less than I usually do in the first week of withdrawal. Something else I need to quit, but I know, one thing at a time. I believe this may be caused by the more properly adjusted important neurotransmitters in my brain such as dopamine and epinephrine. Just a thought... *end edit*