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    Default Subutex versus Suboxone

    Subutex allows for more normal lifestyle. Most doctors dont have experience taking it, therefor dont know. Suboxone causes depression and mood swings. Its very hard to be happy while taking suboxone, especially if you are taking high doses. I was on suboxone for 12 depressing months. I could not finish detox. I have been on subutex for 4 great months. I feel that I am close to finish detox. 16 MONTHS OF RECOVERY FOR 4 MONTHS OF SNORTING OXY'S. What the ?????????
    Mabye Im just weak, but i would highly suggest anyone on suboxone to switch to subutex. Dont let your doctor tell you its the same thing. It may have the same thing, but its totally different.[)]

    Theese meds help with the withdrawels but the pain is just waiting. I stopped suboxone from 6mg a day and on the fourth day I wanted to kill myself. Who ever says suboxone is easy to come off is a better person then I am. It sucks. Not saying that subutex is much easier to come off of,but at least it allows you to live a normal life. It lets you be happy. And lets just face it, we all just want to feel normal again.
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    Default Dont be fooled....

    The difference between Subutex and Suboxone is one thing, Naloxone. Naloxone is an opiate blocker that Suboxone has in it that Subutex does not. Thats probably why you feel "much better." All you are taking is Buprenorphine which is a strong painkiller with a long half life. Suboxone has that drug in it as well, but the Naloxone prevents the user from abusing the drug, i.e crushing and snorting it. You might as well be taking what you used to take, because it aint much different my friend. Good luck

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    Suboxone has one additional compound - naloxone HCI dyhydrate. The primary reason it is added is so that if is crushed and INJECTED, the user will go into full precipitated withdrawal. This serves one purpose here - as a deterrant for abuse.

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    as far as subutex vs suboxone...its the same damn thing unless you are shooting up...but if you feel better on one, good for you, whatever works.

    however if you were only snorting oxy for 4 mos you should have just quit cold turkey. it would have been MUCH easier than trying to get off the sub. its not your fault, its the docs. but just keep reducing your dose on your own. I was snorting oxy and >>>>>> for 3 years...now on sub for 6 mos and down to 1mg/day. getting down below that is a ************************* though.

    good luck bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAYBIS View Post
    Subutex allows for more normal lifestyle. Most doctors dont have experience taking it, therefor dont know. Suboxone causes depression and mood swings. Its very hard to be happy while taking suboxone, especially if you are taking high doses. I was on suboxone for 12 depressing months. I could not finish detox. I have been on subutex for 4 great months. I feel that I am close to finish detox. 16 MONTHS OF RECOVERY FOR 4 MONTHS OF SNORTING OXY'S. What the ?????????
    Mabye Im just weak, but i would highly suggest anyone on suboxone to switch to subutex. Dont let your doctor tell you its the same thing. It may have the same thing, but its totally different.[)]

    Theese meds help with the withdrawels but the pain is just waiting. I stopped suboxone from 6mg a day and on the fourth day I wanted to kill myself. Who ever says suboxone is easy to come off is a better person then I am. It sucks. Not saying that subutex is much easier to come off of,but at least it allows you to live a normal life. It lets you be happy. And lets just face it, we all just want to feel normal again.
    I am also on suboxone, but it doesnt make me sad or anything. If anything I've seen improvment in myself, but my dotcor also put me on a depression medication to control sadness ...(I guess)
    If your doctor knows what their doing they will taper you down off the suboxone and not just have you stop taking it from 6mg to 0..
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    Question Subutex VS Suboxone Q Please

    My doctor must have mistakenly given me subutex instead of suboxone which I have been taking since September of 2007. I was going to wait to talk to my doctor tomorrow but I'm cold outta suboxone and my legs hurt way too much. Besides opioid dependancy I also have diabetic neuropathy. The only difference I've noticed so far is it doesn't taste as bad as suboxone and the color/shape. Anything else I should look for? Will it work the same way for me?

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    Both subutex and suboxone contain buprenorphene the partial agnostic opiate that stops the withdrawls and cravings.So you wouldn't react differently especially since you've been on it for awhile.The only difference between subutex and suboxone is that one has the added antagonist called naloxone which is in subooxne to keep needle addicts from injecting them.Good luck.....Dave

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    Thumbs up Subutex vs Suboxone - I think they're different

    Call me CRAZY (my wife does...ha!), but I was on Subutex for ~6wks and felt like 'like myself again' after three LONG years of anywhere from 300-600mg of Oxy/day. I heard that Suboxone 'tasted better' and is a little less expensive, so my doc gave me the option and wrote script for either one. I chose Suboxone...BAD IDEA!! About one hour after I took one (8mg) Suboxone, I didn't 'feel right'. The next day was the weekend and I didn't 'feel right'. I didn't say anything at all to my wife but she noticed a difference and said "Honey, you seem all stressed out and edgy, like you used to when you were on Oxy"...SHE WAS RIGHT!!

    The next day, I was in my doc's office and he had me back on Subutex...By the next morning I once again 'felt like myself'!!! It was the CRAZIEST thing I've ever experienced, so JAYBIS is right...THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!!!

    However, I do have an 'OxyBuddy' that is on Suboxone and he's had great success with it, so maybe it's just something folks should keep an eye out for.

    Praise God, this stuff WORKS!!! I know the w/d's will be something to work through, but for now, all I know is that I'M BACK - being a husband to my bride of 16 years, and a father to my 13yr old daughter and 11yr old son!!!!!

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    Cool My Opinion of Suboxone AND Subutex

    Suboxone was a miracle drug for me for getting off a long long experience with opiates. It started with tabs, then percs, then the big ones oxys (same drug as percs only more concentrated) .... Morphine and other opiates due to their slight difference, they never seemed to cause me to ever have a withdrawal feeling....

    Anyways ... Suboxone, like Subutex, both contain Beuphenorphine. Yes Beuphenorphine is a strong drug, and stops those cravings people have with a very small dose.... Now, the Naloxone in the Suboxone is a great idea, because why even be on this type of medication if you plan on taking more opiates. .... I hate when people use Suboxone just to get by a day or so to save money for bigger opiates.... Everyone should know that beuphenorphine was developed as a pain medication, just later doctors happened to find out that it had those special qualities that helped your receptors to not go crazy ... WITH LITTLE AMOUNTS

    NOW Subutex does not have naloxone, so there individiuals CAN continue to get high on painers and get high from the beuphenorphine (WORKS WELL TO GET YOU HIGH WHEN COMBINED WITH OTHER CNS DRUGS)

    I think both drugs when used properly not only save lives, but save marriages, friendships, and general livelihoods ... I hate that this drug is so expensive and the drug companies keep doctors down from prescribing it .... only so many patients per year my a*s*s .... they can prescribe oxycontin in my state all the live long day, even in sleep, and over the phone .... WTF

    SO ... to all of you using suboxone or subutex and have really done what you can to get off opiates, then my hat is off to you, but if you are using these drugs for reasons other than personal/mental health ..... well, go shoot yourself personally ....

    I have soo many friends who cannot see the doctor because clinics are full, expensive, and almost impossible to get into if you are young .....

    There should be a better system for distributing these ... and I believe facilities like the Methadone clinic should be available for individuals to come in AT WILL and take suboxone at a low cost ..... those individuals should have to pass urine screens, but overall the process should be at will and when needed ....

    That brings me to the man with the <1MG issue ..... I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND .... I use about 1MG per day broken from 8MG pills (I get 6 to 8 pieces) .... It is hard to make that last step ... to go to absolute zero ....... so do like my doc advised ...... since the half life is so long try one day on another off ... repeat ... or fall .... but try .... you and your will WILL make it ....

    To all who need help with opiate addiction ... find a specialist with these medications, grab your "balls", and hope you can afford it ...... besides that, find someone you can grab a few from, and grit teeth and bear it ..... take nibble pieces .... any more is just your personal greed bumping in .......

    God Bless everyone ... and I hope you all who want help, get help, and stay clean ...

    Mark ..... Off and On Clean for 2 years .... CLEAN 100% for 6 Months ...... it takes time

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrNenni View Post
    Suboxone was a miracle drug for me for getting off a long long experience with opiates. It started with tabs, then percs, then the big ones oxys (same drug as percs only more concentrated) .... Morphine and other opiates due to their slight difference, they never seemed to cause me to ever have a withdrawal feeling....

    Anyways ... Suboxone, like Subutex, both contain Beuphenorphine. Yes Beuphenorphine is a strong drug, and stops those cravings people have with a very small dose.... Now, the Naloxone in the Suboxone is a great idea, because why even be on this type of medication if you plan on taking more opiates. .... I hate when people use Suboxone just to get by a day or so to save money for bigger opiates.... Everyone should know that beuphenorphine was developed as a pain medication, just later doctors happened to find out that it had those special qualities that helped your receptors to not go crazy ... WITH LITTLE AMOUNTS

    NOW Subutex does not have naloxone, so there individiuals CAN continue to get high on painers and get high from the beuphenorphine (WORKS WELL TO GET YOU HIGH WHEN COMBINED WITH OTHER CNS DRUGS)

    I think both drugs when used properly not only save lives, but save marriages, friendships, and general livelihoods ... I hate that this drug is so expensive and the drug companies keep doctors down from prescribing it .... only so many patients per year my a*s*s .... they can prescribe oxycontin in my state all the live long day, even in sleep, and over the phone .... WTF

    SO ... to all of you using suboxone or subutex and have really done what you can to get off opiates, then my hat is off to you, but if you are using these drugs for reasons other than personal/mental health ..... well, go shoot yourself personally ....

    I have soo many friends who cannot see the doctor because clinics are full, expensive, and almost impossible to get into if you are young .....

    There should be a better system for distributing these ... and I believe facilities like the Methadone clinic should be available for individuals to come in AT WILL and take suboxone at a low cost ..... those individuals should have to pass urine screens, but overall the process should be at will and when needed ....

    That brings me to the man with the <1MG issue ..... I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND .... I use about 1MG per day broken from 8MG pills (I get 6 to 8 pieces) .... It is hard to make that last step ... to go to absolute zero ....... so do like my doc advised ...... since the half life is so long try one day on another off ... repeat ... or fall .... but try .... you and your will WILL make it ....

    To all who need help with opiate addiction ... find a specialist with these medications, grab your "balls", and hope you can afford it ...... besides that, find someone you can grab a few from, and grit teeth and bear it ..... take nibble pieces .... any more is just your personal greed bumping in .......

    God Bless everyone ... and I hope you all who want help, get help, and stay clean ...

    Mark ..... Off and On Clean for 2 years .... CLEAN 100% for 6 Months ...... it takes time


    You are mistaken. You don't continue to be able to use opiates successfully with subutex. The naloxone in suboxone only keeps one from abusing the medication. Burprenorphine in both the suboxone and subutex has a blocking effect against opiates. God bless.
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    how can people say that suboxone and or subutex isnt "abusable"? the town i live in suboxone is the most sought after drug on the street and not so they can feel better they do it to get high...if youre not on any kind of opiate and you snort either subys or subutex it only takes about a quarter to get you high. its changing one addiction to another and its not easy to come off of either drug. i know people that will pay up to $40 for a regular 8mg suboxone and up to $55 (if not more) for a subutex. and im not perscribed to either one of them but ive done both of them and still do but i do so to stay off other stuff.and it does work but its harder to stop taking the drug thats supposed to save lives...

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    No one said that at all. But take a bunch of naloxone (that's in suboxone) then shoot some >>>>>> and see how much you enjoy it. You'll get sick as hell. Tell me that is fun. Abusing subs is goofy.
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    Default 32mg Suboxone a day

    Hey yall,

    I am an opiate lover because I am very ADHD and hyperactive. It is the only thing that calms me down. I was addicted to oxys and vicodin so i started to take suboxone. I am currently on 32mg a day. I am switching to subutex tomorrow. if you take these for a few months your tolerance will increase drastically and will not produce the same feeling. although it did get me off oxy's.. ill let yall know how the subutex works!

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    Quote Originally Posted by takemetowonderland View Post
    Hey yall,

    I am an opiate lover because I am very ADHD and hyperactive. It is the only thing that calms me down. I was addicted to oxys and vicodin so i started to take suboxone. I am currently on 32mg a day. I am switching to subutex tomorrow. if you take these for a few months your tolerance will increase drastically and will not produce the same feeling. although it did get me off oxy's.. ill let yall know how the subutex works!



    I'm happy for you that you're taking a new medication but 32mg is three to four times as much medication as you need. I know I'm right. They are messing you up. Drs RXing 32mg are terribly confused. If you want some help let me know. God bless.
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    Default Naloxone will keep you depressed

    Suboxone and Subutex are very different and the reason why is the evil drug called Naloxone. Sure they tell you that it's an opiate blocker, but what they don't tell you is that it's an endorphin blocker as well. I read this in a 2002 book, before Suboxone even came out, that Naloxone stops endorphins from producing naturally in the brain or from activities like eating, exercise, sex, etc. If you look on the Endorphin page on Wiki, it says Naloxone stops Endorphin pain relief from activities such as acupuncture. I personally have been on Suboxone for over a year now and I struggle from low-endorphin depression from years of painkiller use. I have purchased the amino acids DL-Phenylalanine and L-Tyrosine because I have heard these 2 will restore endorphins to a normal range, but the Naloxone in the Suboxone is literally stopping this from working and restoring my endorphin level. Not to mention the Naloxone stays in your system for weeks even after you stop taking Suboxone. If only my stubborn doctor would prescribe me Subutex, I could get out of this depression.

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    Default For those who need to get off Suboxone/Subutex

    I noticed that a couple different posts mentioned that it was hard for them to go from a low level like 1 Milligram of Suboxone to nothing at all, well it's not necessary to make taper cuts that big. I have been completely off the Suboxone before, (I had to get back on it because the depression was so bad), how I got off it the last time was I used a very precise jewelry scale that measures down to 1 Milligram increments. An 8 MG Suboxone pill actually weighs about 400 MG. (I don't know what an 8 MG Subutex pill weighs, but I assume, like Suboxone, it weighs around 400 MG.) They put some extra junk in there because if it actually weighed only 8 MG, you probably would not be able to hold it, it would be so small. When you are tapering down and you get down to 1 MG of medicine, it will actually weigh about 50 MG, so you could actually taper down as slowly as shaving off a very tiny 1 MG of weight per day to take in a total of 49 MG of weight one day, then take 48 MG of weight the next day, then take 47 MG of weight the next day, etc. If this seems too slow, then cut down 5 or 10 MG of weight per day. The lower you get, the smaller cuts you have to make, whereas at the beginning, (starting at about 8 MG of medicine per day), you can probably cut 20-25 MG of weight per day. For me, buying the precision scale was absolutely necessary to get off Suboxone, it cost me about $70. Make sure it measures in no higher than 1 Milligram increments, 10 MG increments is too high, 2 MG increments is even too high. If you can find a scale that measures in 0.1 MG increments, that's even better, but don't be surprised if it costs like $1,000. 1 MG increment scale is fine. I hope this all doesn't sound too confusing, please don't mix up the phrases "Milligrams of Medicine" and "Milligrams of Weight", remember 8 MG of medicine = about 400 MG of weight, and you can do the math from there.

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    Default subutex vs. suboxone

    Both Subutex and Suboxone can be used to get high at very small doses of less than 1-2mg in people that have not become tolerant to large doses of opiates, at this dose the agonist effect of buprinorphine (the active drug in both meds) is stronger than it's antagonistic effect. At higher doses (usually 8-32mg), the antagonistic effect gets stronger and a "high" is much less likely to occur and with daily dosing, the "high" will usually stop once tolerance developes. As for the naloxone in Suboxone, an amount that would cause any effect is usually not absorbed through the mouth or the gut in most people so, in the majority of people, the naloxone has no effect at all and only prevents abuse via injection. But in a small population a large enough amount can actually be absorbed from the mouth or gut which can cause a significant opiate blocking effect (not even their own endorphins can get past it). Therefore, those suspected of absorbing the naloxone at doses that have an effect, should be switched to Subutex. Taking either Subutex or Suboxone on a daily bases would not be able to use any other opiates for at least a couple of days from their last dose of either due to the antagonist effect of the buprinorphine.

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    I am on suboxone now but tomorrow I am going to try for the subutex because the suboxone makes me depressed and real moody. Suboxone does help the withdraws for me, but I still want to pop some oxy,s. So maybe the subutex will make my life a little happier.

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    Default Suboxone...a miracle yes...but not for life..!!

    You know everyone has different reactions and different results with the same medication. I have been an opiate addict for over 35 years...and Suboxone has been my miracle drug. After 18 months I am down to 2 mg day and will try to get off next month for good. My doctor has 2 patients that he has on 2 mg a day for 2 years now just because they are afraid to take the next step and try to eliminate the need for the drug. I would think after that long and small dosage, it should be quite easy to get off now, but I have tried twice and after the 3-4th day...withdrawls symptons kick-in and I cannot funciton, but I DO NOT want to be on this for the rest of my life. First, I can't afford it..!! 2nd...I'm 48 years old now and starting to feel my ge and I think I've done enough damage to this point that the time has come to finally rid myself of any and all medications. I don't even take BP meds since getting divorced in Nov. '08.....my Doc was SHOCKED..I went off 6 months without telling him and he couldn't believe it when my BP was perfect...I told him...divorce..the "best" medicine..!! Good luck to everyone...we all deserve to feel, and lead, normal lives again..!!

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    Default Suboxone...a miracle yes...but not for life..!!

    You know everyone has different reactions and different results with the same medication. I have been an opiate addict for over 35 years...and Suboxone has been my miracle drug. After 18 months I am down to 2 mg day and will try to get off next month for good. My doctor has 2 patients that he has on 2 mg a day for 2 years now just because they are afraid to take the next step and try to eliminate the need for the drug. I would think after that long and small dosage, it should be quite easy to get off now, but I have tried twice and after the 3-4th day...withdrawls symptons kick-in and I cannot function, but I DO NOT want to be on this for the rest of my life. First, I can't afford it..!! 2nd...I'm 48 years old now and starting to feel my age and I think I've done enough damage to the inside of my body at this point that the time has come to finally rid myself of any and ALL medications. I don't even take BP meds since getting divorced in Nov. '08.....my Doc was SHOCKED..I went off 6 months without telling him and he couldn't believe it when my BP was perfect...I told him...divorce..the "best" medicine..!! Good luck to everyone...we all deserve to feel, and lead, normal lives again..!!

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    I can help you taper down successfully if you want the help. All you need to do is follow instructions. You basically taper by 25% of your dose every four days barring symptoms. so we post and make adjustments as you go forward. Let me know if you want my help. I can get you off the subs without a lot of discomfort. God bless.
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    Default Subutex being injected???

    My boyfriend has been on subutex for while now probably over a year maybe more 2 yrs. I found out he had an opiate problem about a year into our relationship and we've been together about 3 yrs. My fear now is that yes he is going to a weekly group treatment (and went through regular treatment at same place where it was 2 days a week now its just an optional once a week deal/support) but I think he is playing the system. He has been on subutex and for the past year every once in a while I will find syringes. He admitted twice taking the subutex with the syringe and I have found yet another last night and he says he ISN'T using the syringes but that he 'FOUND' them while cleaning up and just forgot to throw them away etc. Bottom line is he is pretty skinny but he says the reason for that is bad eating habits etc and says he just needs to eat more. He says that the lack of sex drive has nothing to do w/the subutex too but I beg to differ. Also I would think if you are shooting it -that doing that would make it even worse. He won't admit it this time and he is about to move in with me b/c we recently got engaged. I hope he is being honest and really is not shooting the subutex but from what I've read people are doing it which I don't understand if there is no effect felt from it....which he always says etc.. I feel too his arms sometimes and you can see dark line spots/areas on his arm but it isn't really obvious. I think he shoots it in the muscle. One time when he confessed to doing it (b/c I caught him) I even contacted his treatment center and told them. Of course he was pissed but I want them to know.... I mean you have someone going to treatment that you THINK is clean and they aren't. Yeah they'll pass a drug test but they need to investigate to make sure the people are taking their meds as directed...do the doctors just not know about the possible abuse of subutex or what or just don't care???? Sorry for rambling but I am so tired of dealing with this. Not what I signed up for and not who I thought he was..... I know he can change but like I said how do I know...I mean yeah eventually he is supposed to be weaned off the subutex all together but if he's injecting it I don't see that happening anytime soon or it being a smooth transition since to me if he is injecting that is still addict behavior.

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    He has just switched his addiction. If he's shooting subutex he has serious problems especially after a couple years. This guys needs to be in a controlled environment, as an in-patient rehab. THey have them even for people with no insurance, don't know you guys situation there. If he refuses treatment blow him off .... PERIOD!

    He is lying out the ass, he's a bonafide drug-shooting addict and he's going to end up in jail, the nuthouse, or be dead unless he makes some major changes. If you were my daughter I would tell you to get away from him. He won't even tell the truth to the person who obviously loves him. Move on and make something out of your life. He isn't yours to raise. God bless.
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    On suboxone I was negative Almost all the time... I worked and went to gym it didnt stop motivation, but it definately didn't make me happy. Glass half empty while on that one. And that's not my nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doctadialect View Post
    Suboxone and Subutex are very different and the reason why is the evil drug called Naloxone. Sure they tell you that it's an opiate blocker, but what they don't tell you is that it's an endorphin blocker as well. I read this in a 2002 book, before Suboxone even came out, that Naloxone stops endorphins from producing naturally in the brain or from activities like eating, exercise, sex, etc. If you look on the Endorphin page on Wiki, it says Naloxone stops Endorphin pain relief from activities such as acupuncture. I personally have been on Suboxone for over a year now and I struggle from low-endorphin depression from years of painkiller use. I have purchased the amino acids DL-Phenylalanine and L-Tyrosine because I have heard these 2 will restore endorphins to a normal range, but the Naloxone in the Suboxone is literally stopping this from working and restoring my endorphin level. Not to mention the Naloxone stays in your system for weeks even after you stop taking Suboxone. If only my stubborn doctor would prescribe me Subutex, I could get out of this depression.
    It is important that you know that the naloxone in suboxone is not absorbed in any clinically significant quantities when taken correctly. Even when injected the bupe has such a high binding affinity that the naloxone will not have much of an effect. This makes bupe overdoses more difficult to reverse. (DO NOT INJECT/ABUSE SUBOXONE OR SUBUTEX. This is stupid and only associates a medication that might actually help you with just another way to get high)

    Also naloxones half life is very low. 1-2hrs. So it's not staying in your system for weeks.

    You should talk with your doctor about your depression!

    You MAY be hypersensitive to naloxone. A very small percentage of people are. If you think this is the case you can try subutex. See if it improves things.

    Best of luck!
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    Default Let me ask do you take subutex the same way you do suboxone

    Let me ask do you take subutex the same way you do suboxone anyone ? and someone was saying that on the street some will pay $40 for a suboxone wow i have a lote of them i could be rich lol ,,, or even trde them for oxyc

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjinfo10 View Post
    Let me ask do you take subutex the same way you do suboxone anyone ? and someone was saying that on the street some will pay $40 for a suboxone wow i have a lote of them i could be rich lol ,,, or even trde them for oxyc



    We don't help people do drug deals on this forum. You may get someone to pay you $1000 for a suboxone .... that is your business but keep it OFF the forum if you plan on staying here. That is not tolerated here. PERIOD!

    Anymore posts about selling drugs here and the posts will be deleted and you'll be banned. That is a promise. People take getting clean serious here. No apologies are necessary just don't bring it up again ever. God bless.
    I am not a dr. My statements are based on years of experience and related education. Consult with the professional of your choice regarding matters of concern.

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    sublingual is the way to take both.

    no difference, cept the suboxone has naloxone to stop people injecting it.

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    Default so would it be any reson my Dc would not give me Subutex insted of suboxon?

    Quote Originally Posted by cheekysod View Post
    sublingual is the way to take both.

    no difference, cept the suboxone has naloxone to stop people injecting it.
    so would it be any reson my Dc would not give me Subutex insted of suboxon? i have had both i think the Subutex works a lot better i feel good i could stay with this but with the subxon i get so moody

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    The only difference is they add narcan (nalaxone) to suboxone so it isn't shootable or snortable (without causing major precipitated withdrawal). The majority of doctors won't even entertain the idea of perscribing subutex for fear of liability if a patients shoots the drug. (Where I live its almost impossible to get subutex). They take a (very) short course before being allowed to perscribe this drug at all and are encouraged to go with suboxone because of the abuse issue. Most doctors are misguided in so many ways, from the high starting doses, the acceptance of sub as a maintenance or lifetime drug, and the refusal to give subutex, even to patients with no history of shooting or snorting drugs. For most, suboxone isn't a problem though. There is no difference in how you react. The nalaxon is not really absorbed and has a very short half life. But, like every drug, some people react badly. Doctors should perscribe the drug best suited to each patient.
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