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07-24-2013, 04:08 PM #2251
This is my first post. I began my taper from 16 mgs a day May 22nd. I was just ready to be done. I started by taking 8mgs for about 4 days and then dropped to 4mgs for 20 days. The first 10 days I felt pretty out of sorts. Once I felt normal I dropped to 2 mgs. Again, felt bad for the first week or so but not unmanageable at all. Then dropped to 1mg for another 2 weeks and finally .5mgs for 10 days. Each step felt similar but nothing too awful. I took the last. 5mgs on Saturday night, four days ago. The wd's are definitely worse now with the biggest issue being insomnia. I never had a problem with lack of sleep up until now. Last night I only slept for 1 hour before I had to work a 13 hour shift today so needless to say, I'm exhausted. I have had the chills, slight headache, usual diarrhea, night stomach pains since Sunday but no restless legs or anything that is really killing me. I do have to sleep or I won't be able to function during the day. My wife suggested taking an Ambien but my stomach is a problem at night. Any suggestions for sleep and stomach beyond ambien, hot baths, exercise? I don't want any medications other than the ambien. If I could sleep, I would be fine. Good luck to everyone. I understand what an accomplishment it is to escape your demons.
07-24-2013, 07:47 PM #2252
Welcome to the forum.
I have no experience w/ subs, but can absolutely identify with w/d and insomnia. It seems as though all the subs did was prolong the inevitable - chills, aches, diarrhea, insomnia - classic w/d symptoms.
Anyway - addressing the insomnia. Many ways to go about it: Melatonin, Sleepy Time tea, Velarian Root, exercise (i know that is tough right now), hot showers/baths, meditation, etc.
Sleep patterns, for many of us opiate addicts, is one of the last things to return. Be patient - take the sleep when you can get it. In the end, there is only one real, long-term resolution - time, my friend.
Best of luck.
Persistency is consistency
07-24-2013, 08:41 PM #2253
Mottam gave you some very good suggestions. Despite what you think, you did jump from a rather high dose of the subs. I don't know how long you've been on them. Try some immodium, not only will it relieve the "runs" but has loperimide and opiate agonist which does not cross the blood brain barrier and may give you some relief with the stomach issues. Many people have the insomnia issues and you may have to give in to taking something for sleep, others have had to do so. You can try nyquilzzzzz's or melatonin, if you can't tolerate the ambien. You will get through this it's just going to take some time.
Best of luck to you!
PS. It's helpful if you start your own thread in either need to talk or in the suboxone forum, sometimes it's difficult to see questions embedded in other threads from new members. However, I will look and if you have further questions or concerns, please post.
08-01-2013, 09:29 AM #2254
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08-01-2013, 02:04 PM #2255
And I've been thinking today, IF I decide to go off of subs completely, what sort of life do I want? Do I want to be able to have those few beers/drinks like other "normal" people? Or do I desire a life completely free of any substance? Not sure, though I know myself, and I know addiction (God knows been an addict for a helluva longtime and tried every type of drug out there, mostly). I'm curious, some of the people that have stopped..are you substance free? That's great for 1 month, 3 months, even 6 mos...but I'm talking the long haul. Im mid 30s. What about 2, 3 years down the road, etc? Mind you I take nothing else..no anti-depressants, benzos or whatever. Just the subs. And hey they make me feel good, and I function. Is having the occasional social drinks better than being on subs? I guess whatever works for ya.
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08-05-2013, 04:49 PM #2256
[I] agree.. I've been on Suboxone twice. The first time i got off, in 2007, I actually thought you couldn't withdrawal from suboxone. I truly thought it wasn't possible, and that's what my Dr. told me and I believed him. He was one, of only two suboxone Dr's in that small town. I was 20 years old and in college and didn't know any better, so I didn't even taper, just stopped completely at 8mg's after being on 16mg's for about a year. I continued to party and go out, only alcohol and weed, no hard drugs or opiates (I'm in no way condoning alcohol or weed as helping withdrawals).. But while getting off suboxone I just went about my life as normal, talking to girls, making it to class when I had too, and it was no big deal at all.. I don't know how or why, but I guess since I didn't think it was possible, I didn't even notice at all because I was naive, and thought I couldn't. I FELT ABSOLUTELY FINE. No withdrawals, if I had them I certainly didn't know, nothing like a full agonist or Heroin withdrawals, I've been through that hell and refuse to let that break me again. BUT, it wasn't until I got back on suboxone unfortunately, and read all the horror stories. Now I'm thinking withdrawals will last forever, and I will be miserable for at least a month..
I would like to think for every 1 bad suboxone experience, there's at least 100 other cases where the person was able to get off suboxone successfully, and not go through hell, and they aren't posting about it because suboxone is no longer a part of their life, and they're not looking back!!
I'm not stupid and I know when I get off this next time it won't be as easy as the first time, but because of some the things I've read online, it will be that much harder to not let my head get the best of me, and hopefully I can continue going on with my life, and not waste my day writing about the horrors of suboxone withdrawals. And yes I wont be going to the bathroom every 5mins either
08-05-2013, 04:53 PM #2257
whoops, I'm a new member and was meaning to write this where someone else was talking about the mental withdrawals.. oh well, at least its out there.
08-06-2013, 01:28 AM #2258
08-06-2013, 01:39 AM #2259
Couldn't have been said better.Suboxone should not be takin more than 10 day's while full opiate's leave body.10 day's,no more.Very difficult drug to get off of.Withdrawal and PAS could last for Month's.
08-06-2013, 01:49 AM #2260
I have scoliosis and had a massive 2 part back surgery in 2008. Over the course of the last 5 years I have worked my way up to 400 mg a day of mscontin; or oxy I guess people call it. My Doctor finally prescribed 24mg of suboxone to start and after 7 mos I am down to 6mg. I want to take another cut to 4 mg a month, then 2, then 1. I hope it is do-able but some of these posts are scaring me that I will never be off suboxone. So far, I thought I had worked my way down fairly quickly from 24mg to 6mg of sub and feeling good about it. I take 2mg strips 3 times a day and occasionally I forget and have taken only 2 (which make me feel pretty weird).
I have adjusted to 4 mg cuts within a week or so, so my next visit I will only be asking for 2 mg twice a day.
Will I experience these severe withdrawals as others have described when I get down to 2mg then 1 mg?
08-07-2013, 01:56 PM #2261
You are dropping way too fast. You want to drop by .25% every 4 days or so. If you keep dropping as fast as you are doing now you are at the lower doses you may experience significant w/d. That is not the point of sub. You want to give your body a chance to adjust to not having opiates in your system as well as your mind adjust to feeling clean and "normal". I suggest you start your own sub thread in the suboxone section. Here is the taper plan:
08-14-2013, 04:57 PM #2262
No your just replacing one addiction for another and I tampered myself off of it for 4 months I was misinformed & told I wouldn't have any withdrawals that's a lie. The Lortabs withdrawals were not as bad as this. I got down to a 1/4 of a strip & it's been over 2 weeks since I've had any & I still feel like I want to die. Wouldn't suggest this medicine to anybody. Can anybody tell me how long the withdrawals last? Feeling hopeless.
08-14-2013, 05:06 PM #2263
Yea Suboxen really helped me to thought it was miracle drug I don't even drink I'm in this horrible hopeless situation bc of listening to doctor and my back still isn't fixed Suboxen is great pain meds & a miracle until its time to stop taking it and I tampered down to 1/4 of a strip every low dose and it's been over 2 weeks & still feel like I want to die. Can anybody tell me how long this last or what I can do to help it. And I've been to doctor 5 times not going to doctor.
08-15-2013, 12:07 PM #2264
I don't know how long it takes before we feel good again, but I will never recommend Suboxone to anyone for getting off of opiates. What I would like to know is; "If I go to a detox center and get detoxed off of Suboxone will it eliminate the w/ds? If I knew that by getting detoxed it would prevent the withdrawals, I would begin detox today."
08-15-2013, 04:49 PM #2265
Thank for the suggestions. I'm on day 25 of no sub's after being prescribed 16mg a day for about 8 months and I am feeling okay. Sleep is still an issue but not like it was. I can sleep all night now but I do wake up every other hour for a bit. My legs are only a little achy and feel like they want to cramp at night but it is more than manageable. The biggest thing now is my complete lack of energy. I don't know if it has to do with the withdrawal but I have less energy now than a week or two ago. Could be due to lack of good sleep but even when I take an Ambien and sleep for 7 hours straight, I still have no energy the next day.
I would not do anything differently though. It is the best decision I have ever made, both starting the Suboxone program and stopping when I did. The withdrawals aren't pleasant but it is what it is. If you have ever had the flu, it feels like the exact same thing. I put myself in this situation and I'm not going to feel sorry for myself. It kills me all the people complaining how hard it is and how suboxone is evil. So they would rather keep taking illegal drugs? We did this to ourselves. We decided to keep the high going with one more pill, then one more, then another.
Don't be scared of getting on sub's and the subsequent withdrawals once off. I myself have no desire to take another opiate both physically and mentally knowing what I did to myself. Suck it up and do what's best for you and your loved ones. It will be the best decision you have ever made. Don't listen to all the people feeling sorry for themselves.
08-15-2013, 05:18 PM #2266
I'm an addict in my mid-30's. I used to not be able have just one thing and feel like I shouldn't have another and then over do it. The thing with the subs is that now that I am no longer on them, I have no desire to take any opiates. I do have a couple of drinks once or twice a week but the key to me is moderation. I will only have a couple of drinks and I do not get "drunk." Alcohol has never had the abusive pull that opiates did for me, although I do love alcohol. I think self discipline is the key but I know how bad alcohol can get and not every can control it. My late mother was an alcoholic in denial.
Originally Posted by savages
Without subs, there is no way I could've stopped taking opiates. The mental addiction is worse than the physical one I think and subs took that mental addiction away. Now that I have a clear mind, I think about how I was, always worrying about the drugs and feeling complete anxiety. I don't ever want to be that person again so I will never take those kind of drugs like I did. I think the clarity acheived from being clean is the real lifesaver. When you are using, you just can't see what you really are, but if you really reflect and remember how you were and have support from loved ones, you can become the person you want to be.
08-23-2013, 12:18 PM #2267
I've been taking subs on and off for about 5 years. However, I've been taking 2mg consistently for the last year or so. I took it recreationally and had no idea I was going to be hooked on them much less there being withdrawals. My g/f and I both took it regularly and on the second day of going without it and seeing me starting to go through withdrawals, she got scarred and convinced me that we stop for a while. After a couple more days, we decided we were going to stop for good because both of us were going through w/d. I am on day 6 and I still have withdrawal symptoms although they're not as intense as the first few days. My symptoms were hot/cold chills, sweating a great deal, muscle aches, restless leg syndrome, anxiety, depression, insomnia and diarrhea. Also, very very prone to crying for no reason at all. Sad song starts playing on the radio and I'd start balling like a baby.
As for right now (day 6), my physical symptoms have mellowed out a little, but I'm still emotionally sensitive, I still have trouble sleeping, and I get the chills/sweats although not as intense as the first few days. The symptoms definitely come in waves. I've missed a few days of work because of this.
I've been taking vitamins, drinking a lot of water, and exercising. I've been taking 5HTP to help with my mood, B12 and a multivitamin. I've also been taking ibuprofen for the aches and ZzzQuil to get some sleep. Exercising is great because it does make you feel a little better and might make you more likely to get some sleep.
This is definitely one of the hardest things I've ever had to do and I prefer to look at this in a positive way. A lesson lived is a lesson learned.
08-24-2013, 11:03 AM #2268
You have backed up what I have been saying all along that doctors don't know enough about this drug yet. They give this stuff out like it's candy, thinking that it will help with getting their patients off of opiates. In reality, all they are doing is switching one addiction for another.
I am going to discontinue using Suboxone beginning today. I need to get off of all opiates and stay clean for the rest of my life. I was using Percocet, Vicadin, Tramadol, Fetanyl and Opana ER for over 4 years due to back surgeries. The pain I have now is manageable without using narcotics.
Best wishes to you.
God, I am so sick of this >>>>!!
09-07-2013, 09:35 AM #2269
Ok well I have been takin klonipin xanax clonidine and naproxen . I was takin 4 to 6 oxytocin 80 mg for four yrs every day. Then I got on box I was so sick of chasing pills blah blah blah. Anyway I stopped box after tapering to .5 mg which is key withdrawals have not been so bad for me I'm 5 days in and just been dosing up on benzodiazepines to keep me from being miserable please be careful though benzodiazepine is evil too but it will help through the rough stuff 3 mg klonipin and2 mg xanax and clonidine
Helps with some receptors and naproxen for those aches hope this helps only use the benzoz for 5 days or u will be fighting a possibly worse battle.
09-09-2013, 06:20 PM #2270
I began taking vicidon for tooth pain. I have scoliosis and other back issues that make using really easy. I was ruining my life with the pills, always broke, can never find them..etc. so my friend introduced me to suboxone( 4 mg / day ). I was two days into w/d from hydrocodone, and the subs made me feel amazing..I had my life back. I wasnt' scared of vicidon any longer... i was blown away at how amazing i felt. I had been going through the no pill game for months...I didnt want to play anymore, I just couldnt get by the withdrawls. I had quit cold turkey before, it was horrible and I was placed on celexa trazadone and viibryd to try and cure it...to no avail. 5 months off those meds that made me feel horrible - and i relapsed. thats where the subs come in. I was doing great - able to hold a job, confident, handling my life with no fear. but everyone in my family hates me so being on the subs. they think it's worse and they dont understand that now I finally have control. I still have to deal with finding the subs and buying them - no insurance - but it's always cheaper than a doc & perscription in the long run anyways right now for me - they dont see that I am alot happier and balanced.. why am I feeling just as bad for taking the subs? I feel like I made a change for the better yet i still get the cold shoulder.. i cant give up on my self. This is the first time I feel like I can go somewhere in life... not that disgusting pit of darkness that swallows me .
09-11-2013, 12:51 PM #2271
response to the kman
I decided to take the plunge kman...and btw tbx for replying to me personally. Today is day 6 of my suboxone w/d. My last 3 mgs were taken Thursday night, the 5th. Its a >>>>>. No doubt. But fir my wife, my family, it IS the right move. And for me. Addiction is addiction. I was not sober til now. And I can't wait to feel the freedom from this. But now I take it moment to moment. I need to go to mtngs (NA) and earn my sobriety. That feeling I used to have back in like HS. Ya know! I dint need anything then! MAYBE a lil weed occasionally. But certainly not into the opiate addict I became. The ugliness and pointlessness of it. Then to Subs...which did help me. I must be true.. for me it helped but my life now, 7 years out of a 22 day rehab, 5 years out of suboxone use; its time. Like u said kman, SUCK IT UP! I'm trying as we speak. Can't guarantee what will happen but I'm giving it a go. I empathize with (most) all posters. You guys help.
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09-12-2013, 09:12 PM #2273
Sweetmarie, quitting is very personal. Obviously, but I was on subs for 6 yrs almost. For me it was time. But subs did help me, and it sounds like they're helping you. Stay on em until you have more stability in ure life. When things do stabilize, you'll know. You'll know when its time. Then quit. Yes the w/ds kinda suck, but worry about that when ure in a different state of mind.
09-18-2013, 08:36 AM #2274
Day 13 w/o Suboxone. Im happy I made it this far. The physical stuff is truly gone...well, not ALL the physical, but the aching bad feeling is over. Energy/motivation is a concern. The last 4 or so days the diarrhea kicked in...didnt have it much the 1st week for some reason. It was later in the process for me. Still sneezing more than normal. But that's it. Yes Im still coping with the idea of being at work, and not having my subs, as it was used as sort of "delusional motivation," I guess. But tomorrow is 2 weeks, that'll be good. I think the 30 day mark is where we all want to get to. But...one day at a time.
09-23-2013, 09:22 AM #2275
Day 18, no subs, no opiates, or narcotics of any sort. Completely back to normal now I feel. It was definitely hell for about 7-10 days. But you get through it...ya just do. Now my bowel movements are normal again, sleeping through the night, sleeping in my own bed with my wife again (as of 2 nights ago)...I was sleeping in our guestroom for about 2 weeks b/c of the restlessness, RLS, etc. Im sure the mental part will creep up, occasionally, but overall I feel good. Still looking to get 30 days under my belt, but we take it one day at a time. Getting used to the new reality of life without Suboxone. Work is different, my "downtime" is different...but this is it. We gotta train ourselves again. It can be done. Time is the Key I think.
09-23-2013, 11:50 AM #2276
Nice job savages! Don't even know you and yet i am very proud and happy...you made something extremely difficult seem very do-able. Good show man! Congrats you got a new lease on life!
09-24-2013, 09:09 AM #2277
Appreciate the thought numbOne. Yup another Day down. Yesterday after work my motivation level was excellent; did stuff around the house, went for a long walk (25 mins) up hills, etc. Feeling good. Still getting used to this new reality..That'll take awhile I suppose. But it can be done folks...those of you on The Fence about quitting. I was there, I absolutely was. I thought I would never quit this drug at one point..6 years was on it. But it was substitution; one addiction for another. Every day isn't easy, thats for sure, but if you try to stay positive, and I take things as they come, its a better life for me.
09-25-2013, 06:59 PM #2278
I started my subs today. I put off going on subs for my oxy addiction. Reading all the post about withdraws being like hell when you quite taking the suboxone. The clinic I went to told me its a year program. I am in no way looking for a year program. I been taking opioids daily for about a year, I stopped for 4 months last spring. The withdraws where not that bad. I did the stupid thing of starting back and went all the way building up to a 150-250mg of any pills I could get. last month I went cold turkey for a week. I told my wife about my addiction she stayed up with me all night. I lasted a week.
I am on the strips. The doc had me split it in tow and do it in the office. The other half is supposed to be taken tonight. I feel fine. I think I am going to not take it. I am thinking of doing a quick tapper with suboxone for about a week. My wife thinks I should stay on the program. The issues is the withdraws. I cannot go a week . I Need to work. Has anyone tried to do a quick tapper with suboxone to stop the withdraws off oxy
10-02-2013, 02:31 PM #2279
Well. I just stopped taking Subs a few day ago and have been miserable. Not unbearable. Bit certainly not fun. I was up to 300+ mg of Percocet of day for no good reason. It's been over a month clean from pills. And about 3-4 days off of suboxone. I did a very quick taper. From 16 mg a day to 1/2 mg a day. Now to nothing. I feel sorry for anyone who was put on these for any longer than needed bc you are trading one addiction for another. Nights are restless. Some better than others. I go back to work in 2 weeks. And am scared. I have no energy. Constant diarrhea. And sweats. All manageable but and still
Worried and want this to pass. Is there any vitamins or supplement I can take to feel a little better like 5HTP or a multivitamin? Or something to sleep? Been taking everything possible between OTC sleeping pills. Valium. Ambien. Benadryl. Magnesium. Nothing is really working. I'm exhausted. And moody. But have been off everything for a few days. Does it get better or worse? When do you feel normal again? Thanks.
10-02-2013, 02:38 PM #2280
And anyone thinking you need to be on suboxone longer than a month is a fool. At my worst I was up to 400+ mg of percs. When I got on strips was prob around 200mg. I took 16mg of subs for 2 days. 8mg for 3. Followed by 4 for 3. Then 2 for 3 then 1 for 3 then 1/2mg for maybe a week bc I was working again after just two weeks of being off of percs. The subs make you feel normal. But do not take them for more than a month. Even 1/2 MG of Subs is still a decent amount. One could even take it further to a 1/4mg for 3 days to ease it more easily. All that doctors want to do is keep you on them to make $. You're a fool if you think otherwise. It's a billion dollar business. Doctors want you in office. Paying for visits. And it's more money in their pocket. Anyone who has been on them long term just start to taper. It works. I just posted that I'm sluggish and moody. And have issues sleeping. But it's nothing you can not live with. I'm doing it. Just want it to end. So good luck to everyone. I read most posts. Created this account just to share my experience. Thanks.