[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Sm0rty

Thanks Robert, I really appreciate your support. I don't want to sound like I don't trust you I just want to discuss all options. I want to try and use the advice on here and the advice from my doctor and try and make the best decision from there. I took the 4MG last night and after 4 days of AWD, I felt amazing... I can't remember the last time I felt somewhat high from subs. Although I felt great... I hate the feeling of being numb and I am not going to let it lure me back in.

But anyways... When i talked to my Doc, I mentioned to him tapering down every 4 days by 25% and he said it all depends on how your feeling but I recommend 5-10% becasue 25% could be too fast. So we will see. He also mentioned that when I get to lower doses, he can write the prescription so that the pharmacy will mix the suboxone with some other vitamins and chemicals or something so that it is easier to take less suboxone. I think they break it down and mix in some vitamins and reform the pill. I am not sure exactly but he said it would be a little more expensive.

I also thought about considering taking suboxone every other day. Is that a bad idea? If so why is it a bad idea? Thanks.

Do as you choose but 5-10% is an amount for a methadone taper not suboxone. I won't argue with your dr but that is entirely too slow for suboxone and will ultimately just keep you going into his office for drugs longer. I DON'T recommend that slow of a taper.

Your dr can compound the meds with vitamins and all that but it's just not necessary. That's the bottom line. You can take a good vitamin, do the 25% taper and you'll be clean in sixty days. It's your call, do it which ever way you want to. The dr will have you spending a fortune doing this at the rate he's talking about and at that small of a taper. Or are you in the UK?

You don't want to skip days until the very end after you get down to at least .5mg. The process we've suggested here is proven to work time and again. It has worked for countless people over the years here.

I'm going to back off and let you decide for yourself what you want to do. If you want my help with this let me know. God bless.

[Sm0rty]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

Do as you choose but 5-10% is an amount for a methadone taper not suboxone. I won't argue with your dr but that is entirely too slow for suboxone and will ultimately just keep you going into his office for drugs longer. I DON'T recommend that slow of a taper.

Your dr can compound the meds with vitamins and all that but it's just not necessary. That's the bottom line. You can take a good vitamin, do the 25% taper and you'll be clean in sixty days. It's your call, do it which ever way you want to. The dr will have you spending a fortune doing this at the rate he's talking about and at that small of a taper. Or are you in the UK?

You don't want to skip days until the very end after you get down to at least .5mg. The process we've suggested here is proven to work time and again. It has worked for countless people over the years here.

I'm going to back off and let you decide for yourself what you want to do. If you want my help with this let me know. God bless.

I do want your help and that is why i joined this forum. I wondered if he was just trying to make money off of me. I am in NY though.

I am curious to know though... since I have been on suboxone for so long now, will it be harder for me than other people? Even with your program that has had many success stories I am still nervous...

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Sm0rty

I do want your help and that is why i joined this forum. I wondered if he was just trying to make money off of me. I am in NY though.

I am curious to know though... since I have been on suboxone for so long now, will it be harder for me than other people? Even with your program that has had many success stories I am still nervous...

Using the suboxone for two years is obviously much longer than what I suggest. But I've worked with people who have used for several years. Some people from Europe I've worked with have used buprenorphine (main drug in subs) for almost ten years and are clean today using the process I suggest. That is a fact.

The ideal situation is where I am able to do the induction with a person from day one, walk them through everything right down the taper and off completely. That takes about two months, maybe three sometimes for long time methadone addicts and similar situations. But most of the people on this forum (including the ones who are clean using my taper suggestions) got here because their dr had them all messed up one way or another and they came here out of desperation.

You could possibly hit a little kink in the road occasionally doing this. I won't say that it's impossible for you to ever have a w/d symptom. You would know I was blowing smoke if I said that. But if you communicate regularly, follow the suggestions I'm giving you, I promise you'll end up clean.

Worst case scenario is that instead of reducing every four days there may be a few levels while you're tapering that you find you need 5-7 days between reductions. I want you to feel good prior to reducing your dose as you taper down. Four days usually is enough to allow for the long half life and other things so you're able to continue with the taper and 25% is a perfect amount to taper by. But we're all a little different. One girl who still posts regularly (tired2) came here having all kinds of problems with her sub dr and she ended up reducing every three days instead of four. So we just have to see how you do. It's not a one-size-fits-all like the way too many drs advise everyone the exact same way.

It's your call what to do. I'm just really busy so let me know if you want to follow my suggestions or if you want to try other things too. It won't hurt my feelings either way. It just helps me to know if someone is depending on me solely or not so I know who that I need to keep up with. Let me know. And I wish you the best of luck either way. God bless.

[SpiritOfVersaille]

Hi everyone/anyone. My post is not specifically related to this thread, but Im a new member who simply cant figure out how to post his own blog/thread.To be honest, I am 23 and currently on day 4 of suboxone w/d. I had used meth for years and heroin for 2 years almost everyday. I was on methadone for almost 2 years and now suboxone from 18mg's to 8mg's ( throughout the course of 1yr and 3mths ) and i just quit cold turkey. I really need some specific guidance and assurances so this is my outlet. Anyone with a similar background could you please help me. My w/d's have not been as intense as having come down from hard narcotics, but they are nevertheless present and I really would appreciate some tips or a comprehensive timeline as to when I will wake up that grand day and feel like going outside again. I am shut in and alone for the most part. My mom and g/f, mainly my mom, have a good understanding towards addiction and ae there for me but i need someone who can relate. Also, I know i could attend NA meetings but in my experience they usually consist of tweekers and I hadn't ever found the meetings helpful, I actually would just crave heroin more sometimes. Anyway, thx for reading.

[melinda7.5]

Originally Posted by SpiritOfVersaille

Hi everyone/anyone. My post is not specifically related to this thread, but Im a new member who simply cant figure out how to post his own blog/thread.To be honest, I am 23 and currently on day 4 of suboxone w/d. I had used meth for years and heroin for 2 years almost everyday. I was on methadone for almost 2 years and now suboxone from 18mg's to 8mg's ( throughout the course of 1yr and 3mths ) and i just quit cold turkey. I really need some specific guidance and assurances so this is my outlet. Anyone with a similar background could you please help me. My w/d's have not been as intense as having come down from hard narcotics, but they are nevertheless present and I really would appreciate some tips or a comprehensive timeline as to when I will wake up that grand day and feel like going outside again. I am shut in and alone for the most part. My mom and g/f, mainly my mom, have a good understanding towards addiction and ae there for me but i need someone who can relate. Also, I know i could attend NA meetings but in my experience they usually consist of tweekers and I hadn't ever found the meetings helpful, I actually would just crave heroin more sometimes. Anyway, thx for reading.

Hi Spirit
Is there any way you could get some more subs so you can taper down off of them 8mg is way to high of a dose to go c/t...your not going to have a good experance...we can help you taper off if you can get some more subs.
let us know, we can help...
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by SpiritOfVersaille

Hi everyone/anyone. My post is not specifically related to this thread, but Im a new member who simply cant figure out how to post his own blog/thread.To be honest, I am 23 and currently on day 4 of suboxone w/d. I had used meth for years and heroin for 2 years almost everyday. I was on methadone for almost 2 years and now suboxone from 18mg's to 8mg's ( throughout the course of 1yr and 3mths ) and i just quit cold turkey. I really need some specific guidance and assurances so this is my outlet. Anyone with a similar background could you please help me. My w/d's have not been as intense as having come down from hard narcotics, but they are nevertheless present and I really would appreciate some tips or a comprehensive timeline as to when I will wake up that grand day and feel like going outside again. I am shut in and alone for the most part. My mom and g/f, mainly my mom, have a good understanding towards addiction and ae there for me but i need someone who can relate. Also, I know i could attend NA meetings but in my experience they usually consist of tweekers and I hadn't ever found the meetings helpful, I actually would just crave heroin more sometimes. Anyway, thx for reading.

Melinda is correct. And jumping off at 8mg is totally INSANE. You haven't felt anything really bad yet because of the very long half life of subs. COUNT ON IT!!!! You're going to be so sick you won't even believe it and it will likely last over a month at least if you don't back up and taper off properly.

I've done this a long time here. You want to taper by 25% of your dose every four days. Any faster than that is asking for trouble. Jumping off like you've done is asking for a trip to the pysch ward. That is a fact. God bless.

[Sm0rty]

Originally Posted by SpiritOfVersaille

Hi everyone/anyone. My post is not specifically related to this thread, but Im a new member who simply cant figure out how to post his own blog/thread.To be honest, I am 23 and currently on day 4 of suboxone w/d. I had used meth for years and heroin for 2 years almost everyday. I was on methadone for almost 2 years and now suboxone from 18mg's to 8mg's ( throughout the course of 1yr and 3mths ) and i just quit cold turkey. I really need some specific guidance and assurances so this is my outlet. Anyone with a similar background could you please help me. My w/d's have not been as intense as having come down from hard narcotics, but they are nevertheless present and I really would appreciate some tips or a comprehensive timeline as to when I will wake up that grand day and feel like going outside again. I am shut in and alone for the most part. My mom and g/f, mainly my mom, have a good understanding towards addiction and ae there for me but i need someone who can relate. Also, I know i could attend NA meetings but in my experience they usually consist of tweekers and I hadn't ever found the meetings helpful, I actually would just crave heroin more sometimes. Anyway, thx for reading.

I am in a similar situation. I wasn't taking heroine or methadone but I was taking Vicodin for 2 years and taking 24-30 10mg pills a day. I tried to go cold turkey from suboxone the other day and it was miserable... Between the depression, the RLS, anxiety and aches and pains... you relaly can't function. In reality, if you really haven't taken any narc's except for Suboxone in the last year than you should be able to take less. I know for me, I would always take more suboxone than I needed to because I wanted to get that high. The thing is... you don't get high and it is a waste.

I am just starting to try Robert's plan and so far so good. You should try and do it the right way and taper down. I have been on Suboxone for 2 years and it has taken me that long to realize that I need to get off of it. The only way you will be able to do it is if YOU are ready to. If you convince yourself that you are ready to stop taking drugs then you will be ok. You must do this the right way though. Follow Robert's plan and don't cheat. Take exactly the amount your supposed to and you will be clean and have a much easier time coming off subs. Stay strong.

[SpiritOfVersaille]

Wow, i thoroughly appreciate the responses. This is such a lonely experience for me. Ive quit drugs many times with varying intensities but this one is very depressing. I agree, I really should have tapered, but I feel like I'm now living to the expectations of everyone around me. Im on my day 6 or 7 now. I'm miserable, but beyond that, emotionally I'm crippled. I feel as though i'm seeing things through different eyes. I react to every sound and sight. I no longer feel comfortable in this apartment I've been in for over a year. I don't see my future, I can't visualize myself being responsible, happy, married, with kids. Things that once seemed like a given now seem like an impossibility. Im going to talk with my physician and quite possibly start over again w/ the tapering system. Especially, would any of you know a good link or some good information concerning the mental healing process. Can I tip the odds in my favor with specific supplements? How long before my receptors return to their maximum potential. Thank you dearly all, joshua

[Sm0rty]

So it has been almost 2 weeks now since I started the new plan. I started on 4 MG's a day and now I am on 2MG's per day. So far it has been going pretty well. I was curious to know though if I should stop taking Adderrol because it might interfere somewhat with my tapering. Anyone know anything of this?

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Sm0rty

So it has been almost 2 weeks now since I started the new plan. I started on 4 MG's a day and now I am on 2MG's per day. So far it has been going pretty well. I was curious to know though if I should stop taking Adderrol because it might interfere somewhat with my tapering. Anyone know anything of this?

There are not any major interactions between adderall and suboxone. As long as the adderall is being taken as prescribed I think it's okay.

I'm not a big fan of amphetamines but some people need the adderall for different medical reasons. So I'm not one to tell anyone to stop taking a psych med prescribed by the dr. That is none of my business. Just adhere specifically to the dosage you've been prescribed.

Adderall is very addictive. Just be careful. God bless.

[Sm0rty]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

There are not any major interactions between adderall and suboxone. As long as the adderall is being taken as prescribed I think it's okay.

I'm not a big fan of amphetamines but some people need the adderall for different medical reasons. So I'm not one to tell anyone to stop taking a psych med prescribed by the dr. That is none of my business. Just adhere specifically to the dosage you've been prescribed.

Adderall is very addictive. Just be careful. God bless.

I had some small instances where I could see Adderall being addicting but I honestly don't think it is. I know there are physical and mental addictions but Adderall is a mental one. I have been taking it for about 7 years because I have attention difficulties. I have stopped taking it at various times in my life but it makes work go so much smoother for me.

My doctor doesn't think I should be taking it because he says I should clear my system of all drugs. Also Adderall has a side effect of giving you anxiety and having that anxiety on top of withdrawals from Suboxone anxiety is not a good combo.

The only issue I have had coming off of Adderall is the extreme fatigue from not taking it. That only lasts a couple of days though. Anyways... Tomorrow I go down to .75 MG!

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Sm0rty

I had some small instances where I could see Adderall being addicting but I honestly don't think it is. I know there are physical and mental addictions but Adderall is a mental one. I have been taking it for about 7 years because I have attention difficulties. I have stopped taking it at various times in my life but it makes work go so much smoother for me.

My doctor doesn't think I should be taking it because he says I should clear my system of all drugs. Also Adderall has a side effect of giving you anxiety and having that anxiety on top of withdrawals from Suboxone anxiety is not a good combo.

The only issue I have had coming off of Adderall is the extreme fatigue from not taking it. That only lasts a couple of days though. Anyways... Tomorrow I go down to .75 MG!

This is a perfect example of why I don't tell anyone to stop certain medications. Adderall is extremely addictive to a person who is functioning perfectly and is just trying to get "wired." But when it's used for attention defecit by someone who legitimately needs it that's not the case. So do what you and your dr work out together on that medication.

I've seen people decide to stop all drugs because others have told them they need to, especially other people in recovery, and it ends up in catastrophe for that person. Those decisions need to be left to the patient/dr to work out.

Adderall can cause anxiety like the dr said. But if you're tapering off the subs properly then the anxiety level from that should NOT be anything really all that noticeable. Take care and God bless.