[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by SmlUGotFrenchs

I sent a reply yesterday, but couldn't find it today - so sent it again today. There was a really quick box indicating my post wouldn't be viewed until it was approved by a moderator. Not sure what that means, but am trying to answer the questions you are asking and provide the information I feel like you need to help me. I guess I just don't know how to use this forum.

When you clicked on the drugs.com "community' at the top of this page signing on you probably hit "ask a question" and your question was sent to the "support group" section of the website rather than the forum. It's a new thing the site owners just recently started. I just looked in the new area and your question isn't there. You may have to do it here in a reply to this post. The administrators usually don't do moderator approval thing here. So I'm assuming that is what you did. Sorry! God bless.

[helpdogg]

I need some advice. My b/f has been on suboxone almost a year. he is taking 8mg daily. He no longer has insurance and cant afford to buy anymore. He cut what he had left in 2 and took that for about 2wks. It has now been 5 days he hasn't had anything. He is having bad w/d and is begging to find some kind of pain pills or something because he is feeling so bad. I am hoping this is the worse point and it will get better but I don't know. He wants to get off but he definitely won't make it feeling this bad. Is there anything he can take to help lessen the w/d. He is having bad anxiety, freezing, leg kicking, depression, insomnia,etc. If he could maybe just get some sleep it might would help but I don't know because I never experienced this before. If anyone knows of something to help lessen the w/d I would really appreciate your advice. Thanks

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by helpdogg

I need some advice. My b/f has been on suboxone almost a year. he is taking 8mg daily. He no longer has insurance and cant afford to buy anymore. He cut what he had left in 2 and took that for about 2wks. It has now been 5 days he hasn't had anything. He is having bad w/d and is begging to find some kind of pain pills or something because he is feeling so bad. I am hoping this is the worse point and it will get better but I don't know. He wants to get off but he definitely won't make it feeling this bad. Is there anything he can take to help lessen the w/d. He is having bad anxiety, freezing, leg kicking, depression, insomnia,etc. If he could maybe just get some sleep it might would help but I don't know because I never experienced this before. If anyone knows of something to help lessen the w/d I would really appreciate your advice. Thanks

Using suboxone for a year at 8mg and then jumping off cold is INSANE!!! He could be sick for a month or longer. I am not kidding I'm serious as a heart attack. He will be sick as hell doing that and he needs to get some more suboxone immediately. The worst of the w/d has not even hit him yet.

I can taper him down and off the subs but stopping abruptly at 8mg is NOT the way to do this. I can taper him down in 6-8 weeks. Anything less than that is nothing less than cruel. I do this every day. Let me know if you want my help. But he had best get some more subs IMMEDIATELY. God bless.

[krycket]

hello i started on 4mg of suboxone in am and 2mg in pm for 12 weeks then went to 2mg am and 1pm for 4 weeks then 1mg 2 days then quit. im on day 5 and i thought i was doing ok when i woke but the cold sweats fatigue started all over.. i went to the er yesterday where they gave me ambien to sleep which let me sleep for 4 hours. since i wasnt on it very long and not at a high dose why am i w/d so bad? there is only 1 doc around here that gives the sub and only on thursdays ,i really dont want to go back but i dont know how i can live like this and take care of my kids.i know it would be so easy to make a phone call and get a couple of lorcets and feel all better but i hope i keep the will power not too. i have been all over the net and cant find anything that will help me on giving me an idea if im thru the worst or what..please please please anyone help.. i have even thought about getting a mixed drink to take the edge off which i havent drank in years never really cared to drink..help me please
krycket

[krycket]

forgot to add.. my w/d started bad at day 2 and gotten worse no better. i have no diarehha anymore but the aches and sweats and anxiety.im wondering if i would have been better off w/d off the lorcets instead of the suppsoively miracle drug suboxone. i just want my life back
krycket

[helpdogg]

Thanks alot for your advice. This has been worrying me alot which is how I found this site. I'm not sure if he will be able to get any subs today. The pharmacy opens tomorrow and he can fill them. They are just so expensive but I will give him the money and just do what I have to because I think this is more serious. I would like advice on tapering off because he cant afford to stay on them. Will he have bad w/d when tapered and if so for how long. Is there anything otc that can help him tonight.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by helpdogg

Thanks alot for your advice. This has been worrying me alot which is how I found this site. I'm not sure if he will be able to get any subs today. The pharmacy opens tomorrow and he can fill them. They are just so expensive but I will give him the money and just do what I have to because I think this is more serious. I would like advice on tapering off because he cant afford to stay on them. Will he have bad w/d when tapered and if so for how long. Is there anything otc that can help him tonight.

I can walk him right down the taper. He won't be sick at all if he will do it like I suggest. I do this every day. Get his meds refilled and we can get started on the taper after we get him stabilized.

To be honest I really don't know any OTC items that will make that much difference for him over one night. He just needs some suboxone really badly. If he could get even one today it would sure help him. I don't know if you guys have anyone that could give him one or not?

Let me know tomorrow. Tell him to hang on if you can't help him today. Let me know if you find him something. God bless.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by krycket

hello i started on 4mg of suboxone in am and 2mg in pm for 12 weeks then went to 2mg am and 1pm for 4 weeks then 1mg 2 days then quit. im on day 5 and i thought i was doing ok when i woke but the cold sweats fatigue started all over.. i went to the er yesterday where they gave me ambien to sleep which let me sleep for 4 hours. since i wasnt on it very long and not at a high dose why am i w/d so bad? there is only 1 doc around here that gives the sub and only on thursdays ,i really dont want to go back but i dont know how i can live like this and take care of my kids.i know it would be so easy to make a phone call and get a couple of lorcets and feel all better but i hope i keep the will power not too. i have been all over the net and cant find anything that will help me on giving me an idea if im thru the worst or what..please please please anyone help.. i have even thought about getting a mixed drink to take the edge off which i havent drank in years never really cared to drink..help me please
krycket

You stopped way too fast. It's no wonder you are sick after dropping down like you did. I can walk you down a good safe taper where you won't have any w/d symptoms at all to speak of. But you need some more subs and you need to get stabilized again. Then we can taper you off. Get some subs. Can you get even ONE today? Lorcets aren't the answer I promise you. You need suboxone. Don't blow it with lorcets. Keep me posted. I can help you Krycket if you'll get some suboxone. God bless.

[helpdogg]

Well trying to see if we can get a sub today so far we cant. I have a relative who have hydros. Will that help until tomorrow. The only thing is his addiction was to pain pills which I believe is done its just to get thru this tonight. I will keep trying to find a sub but I don't think I will.

[krycket]

thanks for your reply robert..there is no possible way to get even 1 sub. my doc wont even see me til next week . and when i went into the er they just told me to hang in there ..yea whatever....i have even checked the streets no one takes them around here really. oh god..i feel so bad and cant keep from crying.. so if i cant get anymore what am i looking at? how long will i feel like this?
krycket

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by krycket

thanks for your reply robert..there is no possible way to get even 1 sub. my doc wont even see me til next week . and when i went into the er they just told me to hang in there ..yea whatever....i have even checked the streets no one takes them around here really. oh god..i feel so bad and cant keep from crying.. so if i cant get anymore what am i looking at? how long will i feel like this?
krycket

Krycket ... You are just starting to feel what is ahead of you doing it like this. Quite honestly you will continue to feel as badly as you do now or worse for some time. It won't let up before you see your dr on Thursday. You can't get in to see him on an emergency basis? This IS an emergency girl!

Please understand that I don't EVER do what I'm about to do. But if you can't get any suboxone then you should take ONE lorcet about every six hours until you see the dr again for another script. That should do nothing for you but keep you out of terrible w/d and that is ALL you want it to do. DON'T get high on the lorcets or all this is for nothing.

If you will just get your suboxone refill I can do the induction again for you and we'll get you off the subs quickly. Don't even go into it at the dr. I don't know anything else to tell you. I certainly don't recommend that you tough this out.

PLEASE don't allow yourself to relapse taking a bunch of lorcets! That is NOT what I'm telling you to do. I'm simply saying what I would do if I were you rather than ending up in the hospital. Stay in touch with me through this and I will get you back on the subs when you get them if you will follow my suggestions through the next few days. God bless.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by helpdogg

Well trying to see if we can get a sub today so far we cant. I have a relative who have hydros. Will that help until tomorrow. The only thing is his addiction was to pain pills which I believe is done its just to get thru this tonight. I will keep trying to find a sub but I don't think I will.

After taking 8mg of suboxone for a year I don't know if a couple hydrocodone would even help him. This is serious him stopping after taking that much suboxone cold turkey though.

After five days he is very ill I know. If you can't find a suboxone to hold him over until tomorrow tell him to take TWO hydrocodone ONLY. NO MORE than that.

This is ONLY to keep him from tripping out any worse than he is. If he takes more than that it will mess everything up tomorrow when he gets more suboxone. I would never tell anyone to do this unless it was this serious of a situation.

I'm concerned for him. Go ahead and do it. Let me know how it helps. God bless.

[helpdogg]

Thanks will do. I will give him the money to get his script filled tomorrow. This definitely is not as easy as some people may think. Hopefully this will help some at least. I will check back tomorrow to see about tapering off if possible. hopefully he can manage it. Thanks

[Robert_325]

He'll be able to manage it. I promise he can handle it if he'll just listen to me tomorrow. I do this every day. Talk to me tomorrow. God bless.

[helpdogg]

I know it may be late on your end according to post time anyway its 920 here but i thought i'd let you know the 2 hydros helped him feel better. Thanks. We will go refill his script tomorrow. Well I'm going get some sleep hopefully he can also.

[Robert_325]

Let me know tomorrow. WE can get him on track doing this the right way. God bless.

[sillygeel]

Hello my friends.........I cannot really read everything (b/c eyesight is going from immune disease) but I still get the gist of most peoples notes. Just my thoughts about a few of the replies recently with going back to opiates b/c the withdrawal is too hard. I tried that myself and to no avail (actually 4 different times). The good news is that I now have 5 surgeries w/o opiates, 3 teeth implants and 2 eye surgeries and I am the BIGGEST wuss I know when it comes to pain. That tylenol stuff DOES work?? Who would have guessed as it NEVER occurred to me as I am an addict and when I hear surgery ALL I would think about was the month of freedom from the pain in my mind and EVERY-TIME I would have to get another script before the first week ended. I am now at 1 mg of suboxone after another eye surgery (doc doesn't EVEN mention norco or vicodin in my presence NOW) and will proceed with my taper. ROBERT.........a friend came over and cut up some pills for me. I have cut up 8..... 1 mg............10 of .7-mg and..........10 of .5 mg roughly. I went a month ago and picked up 10 pills and still have a script for 20 left at the pharmacy if I need. The ENBREL is going to work as I did something huge on my bucket list yesterday (with a lot of help from my pals) KAYAKED about a mile out in the pacific ocean and sat with some dolphins. God does not want this ex-bodybuilder and good girl blind and in a wheelchair.........I am not ready..........I write this b/c withdrawals suck but when you face dying it doesn't really matter..........JUST DO IT AND BEGIN TO LIVE! 5 people showed up at the beach b/c if "I" could make it (all broken) they could. God is working thru me! NAMASTE~ God is Good

[sillygeel]

Hey Lisa-Marie ...You sound like you're doing well. Its good to see you're still alive and hanging in there.I know you've had some challenges but you've done very well. You've done great actually considering the medical problems you've had. You take care of yourself and just pick up again on the taper when you've recovered a little more. Just do one thing at a time. You can only put yourself through so much at one time. I'm proud of you for doing all that you've done and you've still stayed away from the RX opiates other than your subs. You continue to show your commitment to getting better.

I actually agree with you on the "smoking pot" thing. If someone is truly trying to get clean then they shouldn't do other drugs. It's about more than just their drug of choice. It's contradictory to say "I'm getting clean" but then smoke pot too. Pot applies just like other substances if one is truly trying to be drug free even if it isn't so evil like the RX opiates or whatever one's addiction is to. If we're trying to be clean that applies to all mind-altering substances according to all the principles of traditional 12 step recovery.

The only thing I need to add here about this subject of smoking pot during opiate detox is that the forum isn't a 12 step recovery meeting. Even though I also agree (with the principles of recovery) pot has nothing to do with RX opiates. I try to help people with the particular problem they come here with asking for help about. It's hard to NOT interject my personal beliefs on people but it isn't my place to do that.

It's the same thing as me trying to not talk too much about my Christian beliefs even though I believe it would benefit someone in detox to hear about Jesus. Everyone that knows me knows that I'm a Christian but I try to not slam my beliefs on others as they didn't come here to discuss my Christian beliefs. If they ask I will share but I leave it at that. I tell people to email me and I'll talk off the forum about Chrisianity in depth. I kind of look at the pot thing in a similar fashion. I share my feelings on the subject only someone asks me. Otherwise I try to stick to the one drug they are seeking help with.

Robert.........I guess my point did not shine thru in my writings ALL I was trying to mention is that if you tell yourself (subconscious) you CANT do w/d w/o adding another chemical, it is almost certain you will not succeed (never mind what actually ends up happening 9.8 times out of 10 as some do not make it out alive! ) The disease is crafty and alert ESPECIALLY in detox mode. Thus comes all the abuse you get from others on this thread. I already knew you were a Christian I bet you did not know thru any of my replies that I am a Jew so I know what this thread is about. Addiction has no prejudice! Tell Melinda she rocks,,,,,you two are lucky to have each other! I will hit her up with the benzo deal when I can stabilized from the sub w/d. Sending a BIG HUG for you both..........LM

[Robert_325]

Lisa-Marie ..... I totally agree the power of the subconscious mind is incredible. I had HUGE numbers of people employed in my salesforce years ago when I was still working for myself. I'm now retired. But I've been involved in several studies about the power of sub conscious visualization, the power of the sub-conscious mind and all that good stuff. It's totally 100% fact what you're saying. You can convince yourself of almost anything reasonable whether it's good or bad. Hang in there. God bless.

[Needing-Hope]

I am just home from my induction appointment. I am so wiped out! I sent an email to Melinda a while back and I waited to post until I made my decision and got onto Suboxone. I have taken 2 halves of an 8mg tab. Hopefully that will be it for the day.

Here is my deal. I started on Oxy's and Norco on and off for about five years due to a series of unfortunate accidents. As of yesterday, I was taking upwards of 120-150mg of oxy's due to the pain. Because it has been so long, I really wanted to take the opportunity to find out exactly how much pain I am actually experiencing and how much the side effects from the the oxy's were contributing to my situation. I have always simply felt like ********. It's funny reading other peoples posts about opioids being their DOC and how they got high off of them...that would have made my experience so much easier had I gotten some sort of a buzz...LOL...but alas, it was not to be.

I have a lot riding on this. I would love to have another child and I was able to get off the meds and do that before...albeit in a lot of pain. I have a very physical job that I am in the process of finding an alternative for in my field so that I can try to get on top of the pain. Because the medicine has always made me feel so ********py, I am hoping that even though I am likely to have more pain I am trying to assess whether eliminating the haze and lethargy that comes with the oxy's makes it far more easy to manage. Unfortunately, I feel so sore/achy all over and have a massive headache...please tell me it gets better. I do not want to exchange meds for another that makes me feel equally as ********py.

My Doctor made a comment today that I should take this for a couple of weeks and just stop...and I would be pleasantly surprised at how easy it is to get off of...what a CROCK! He is clearly not aware of what needs to happen or what a world of hurt he would put people in. Fortunately, I have been with him for enough time that he is likely to work with me...we shall see. In the meantime. From what I read, I should stay at the current dose (split in two doses) for a week (or two) and then cut back and 25% per four days...is that right?

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Needing-Hope

I am just home from my induction appointment. I am so wiped out! I sent an email to Melinda a while back and I waited to post until I made my decision and got onto Suboxone. I have taken 2 halves of an 8mg tab. Hopefully that will be it for the day.

Here is my deal. I started on Oxy's and Norco on and off for about five years due to a series of unfortunate accidents. As of yesterday, I was taking upwards of 120-150mg of oxy's due to the pain. Because it has been so long, I really wanted to take the opportunity to find out exactly how much pain I am actually experiencing and how much the side effects from the the oxy's were contributing to my situation. I have always simply felt like ********. It's funny reading other peoples posts about opioids being their DOC and how they got high off of them...that would have made my experience so much easier had I gotten some sort of a buzz...LOL...but alas, it was not to be.

I have a lot riding on this. I would love to have another child and I was able to get off the meds and do that before...albeit in a lot of pain. I have a very physical job that I am in the process of finding an alternative for in my field so that I can try to get on top of the pain. Because the medicine has always made me feel so ********py, I am hoping that even though I am likely to have more pain I am trying to assess whether eliminating the haze and lethargy that comes with the oxy's makes it far more easy to manage. Unfortunately, I feel so sore/achy all over and have a massive headache...please tell me it gets better. I do not want to exchange meds for another that makes me feel equally as ********py.

My Doctor made a comment today that I should take this for a couple of weeks and just stop...and I would be pleasantly surprised at how easy it is to get off of...what a CROCK! He is clearly not aware of what needs to happen or what a world of hurt he would put people in. Fortunately, I have been with him for enough time that he is likely to work with me...we shall see. In the meantime. From what I read, I should stay at the current dose (split in two doses) for a week (or two) and then cut back and 25% per four days...is that right?

You should start a new thread of your own. It will be easier to track your posts. Plus you'll have your own thread to refer to.

You've obviously done some reading here about how to taper. Yes stay on the current dose for three days. You should take 4mg twice daily for two more days, then you'll reduce 25% on the fourth day. You will stay at that dose (the lowest effective dose) for about a week or so depending on your progress. Then you start the taper by 25% every four days.

Start a new thread and you'll get lots of support. I'm here every day and will be happy to help you. Stay in touch. You're on your way to being clean. God bless.

[Needing-Hope]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

You should start a new thread of your own. It will be easier to track your posts. Plus you'll have your own thread to refer to.

How precisely do I start a new thread? Is there somewhere specific I need to go to do that?

Also, I have been feeling just as though I am on the verge of a recurrence of WD symptoms. Do I need to take more? MD told me to take one more half if needed this evening but I do not want to do that if I do not need to...I also don't want to have a miserable night if I can avoid it. I am sure that some of this feeling is from yesterday's withdrawal but it has been a rough day.

Thanks for the information. I am looking forward to being over this.

[Robert_325]

Go to the bottom of the page to where it says Forum Jump. You can choose either Featured Conditions or Need To Talk. Then click "GO". When the forum comes up there will be a NEW THREAD button at the top of the page. Start your thread and keep all of your posts about this there.

The dr should have done the induction using 2mg doses rather than the two 4mg doses. Using the smaller mg doses helps you stabilize at a smaller dose. But you should NOT need any more suboxone tonight. Tomorrow morning you should take 4mg and then tomrrow late afternoon you should take the other 4mg.

You don't need any more suboxone. You don't need 12mg I guarantee you regardless of what he told you. It doesn't take that much suboxone. That's just the power of suggestion him telling you that you can take that much.

He could have messed up the way he inducted you but let's wait and see. God bless.

[desperate4help]

hey. Ive been addicted to percocet for a few years now. it then led in to a oxycontin addiction. when it got so bad and i finally hit rockbottom, i wanted to stop. i went to a doctor and got perscriped SUBOXONE because the withdraw from the oxy was unbearable. so ive been on the subxone 8 mg a day for about two weeks. but i only want to take it for the withdraw from the oxy and stop.thats what they "say" its for right??? I DONT WANT TO BECOME DEPENDENT ON ANOTHER MEDICATION.. so what do i do? i need help on how i can stop the suboxone. i am now down to a half a day but if i try to skip a day or get off the sub i get withdraw symtoms that i cant take. if i slowly taper off the subs will still get withdraw??????????? is there any way out of the withdraw? or will i just have to stick it out? because i want to stop the subs asap... someone please help m

[Robert_325]

desperate ... check out the new thread you posted. I replied there.

[subuser]

ty all for all the good advice...i opted not to use any other substance to get me through this.

So here goes...my situation...

I was taking percs and then started on about 1 mg of suboxone with my doc. She said i would be on it for a few months...so i'm now on month 2.5 and have tapered down to 1/8 of a 2mg. We planned for me to get off the subs last week but the wds were so bad i had to go back on the sub. I just talked to her today and have been telling her that the wds are really bad and she didn't seem to understand why? She said that i should be fine. she prescribed me clonidine to get me through the first 3 days. I don't know what to do.... Scared...

I tried the taper method skip one day...skip two days...its so hard....

any advice would be great

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by subuser

ty all for all the good advice...i opted not to use any other substance to get me through this.

So here goes...my situation...

I was taking percs and then started on about 1 mg of suboxone with my doc. She said i would be on it for a few months...so i'm now on month 2.5 and have tapered down to 1/8 of a 2mg. We planned for me to get off the subs last week but the wds were so bad i had to go back on the sub. I just talked to her today and have been telling her that the wds are really bad and she didn't seem to understand why? She said that i should be fine. she prescribed me clonidine to get me through the first 3 days. I don't know what to do.... Scared...

I tried the taper method skip one day...skip two days...its so hard....

any advice would be great

FRUSTRATION .... the title of your post says it all. Think about this. That LITTLE BITTY piece of a pill is doing this to you. It's in your head, you can do it. If you skip one day, then take a dose, skip two days ..... ect all the way up to four days you can do that. It's all in your head. It isn't enough medication to physically keep you from succeeding. You're simply afraid and that is okay. Just relax, focus and do it. You only do this one last thing and you're done forever. God bless.

[debbalou]

My husband's (Bob) story is like many I have read on this thread. He became addicted to hydro and fentenal after a back injury. In the summer of 2008, he had back surgery and no longer needed pain meds and doctors just expected him to stop taking them. After a few months of changing docs and getting hydro any way he could, and seeing our marriage fall apart, he decided to get help. He heard an ad on the radio and called the number. That is when he got on Suboxone - October 2008. For some reason I cannot figure out, his doc did not think he should do a 21 day taper and has kept him on Suboxone for months at 16 mg a day (8 mg 2x a day) Every time he tried to approach the doc about getting off Suboxone, he put him off. Finally in April, he insisted the doc help him get off Sub. He went to 4 mg 2x a day for a month and then to 2 mg 2x a day for a month and then 1 mg 2x a day for two weeks. The doctor told Bob that he should be able to quit Sub without withdrawals once he was down to 2 mg a day but at every appointment the doctor wanted him to stay on it. Finally, Bob decided he'd had enough and stopped taking the Sub. That was 17 days ago. He has been experiencing most of the usual WD symptoms - chills, hot flashes, diarhea, lack of motivation. When he saw the doctor last week, he was not happy with him and then said he should have gone to 1 mg and then skipped days. But this was not what he had said previously. Anyway, Bob had already been off the Sub for 9 days at that point and did not want to start back on it.
I realize this is a long story, but I want all the facts out there so I can get some good feedback. I stumbled across your discussion tonight and have read all night and now see many mistakes have been made over the past 9 months concerning Bob's treatment. None-the-less, here we are 17 days out and Bob is still having pretty bad withdrawals. I just want to know if he should stick it out from here or consider going back on Sub and tapering more slowly? Also, what about the rebound effects I have read about? Should he expect to experience these problems of depression and lethargy for months? Will he ever feel like he did 5 years ago before addiction? I realize this is his problem - not mine, but I don't want him to set himself up for relapse by expecting this to just be over in a matter of days if that is not the case. Any help would be appreciated.

[debbalou]

I forgot to mention that Bob did not sleep for 3 days, but then doctor prescribed Ambien and he is sleeping well now. Bob asked the doctor for Ativan to help him with the anxiety and WD, but the doctor did not want to give him Ativan because he said it affects same area of brain as alcohol and Bob is an alcoholic. Also, he is on Cymbalta for depression. Thanks again for any advice.

[intelmetal]

If Bob is feeling moderate to severe withdrawl symptoms, he should consider going back on subs and do a proper taper. He can be finished in about 1 month with almost no withdrawls at all. Either Robert or myself can help if you would like. We are here everyday helping people get off of subs. Let us know.
IWANTOUT

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