[Robert_325]

I'm back. Tell me what you are doing and I'll try to make some suggestions. You've got to be on the same dose each day. You don't skip days until the end of your taper. So what have you done this last week? God bless.

[Robert_325]

kneauxla ... don't know what kind of dose you've been on for say the last six months? But after five days you're just starting to hit the worst of it if you were taking very much at all. You jumped off at WAY too high a dose in my experience. You could expect to suffer possibly for weeks the way the you're doing it. Let me know if you want my help if things get too tough. God bless.

[gtrslt]

IM down to cuting a 2ml pil in half every day and thats as far as I can seem to get. If you find out any info please contact me, gtrslt@aol.com
Thanx! I dont like to be dependent on something!!!! GODLUCK!!

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by gtrslt

IM down to cuting a 2ml pil in half every day and thats as far as I can seem to get. If you find out any info please contact me, gtrslt@aol.com
Thanx! I dont like to be dependent on something!!!! GODLUCK!!

You should reduce the suboxone dose by 25% every four days. Drop to .75mg tomorrow. Stay there four days and then drop again by 25% down to .6mg. As your dose lowers your taper amount reduces also. I can walk you through this if you'll do as I suggest. God bless.

[Monsoon]

Hi Robert,
My 4 year old broke my laptop so I had to wait until I got to work to get on here. I also had a hard time finding my old thread. I'm glad your back! Intelmetal told me to get on a dose that was consistent before we can start. I have been on 2/mg twice a day for 4 days now. I think I want to go a couple more days before I cut that down. What do you think? You guys are great on here! Melinda, Intelmetal have been very supportive to me in your absence. I'm ready to get this done!! Let's do this!! Since I have been taking the second dose late afternoon instead of evening like I was before,I have been sleeping much better. Ireally appreciate you guys alot. I have read many stories from over the last 2 years and you have helped many people. I'm an engineer for one of the world's leading aerospace companies and I need to keep my bearings while I finish this off. Let me know what I should do Robert and I will follow.

Thanks,
Monsoon

[intelmetal]

Robert is probably at the hospital with Melinda right now. He will most likely return soon. I know that he would suggest for you to drop your dose to 3mgs per day split dose. 1.5mgs in the a.m. and 1.5mgs in the afternoon. It has been 4 days now and you should not have any problems doing this now. I would wait until you get to 2mgs or below to even entertain the idea of going more than 4 days at any given dose. It will be much more pleasant later in your taper if you take my suggestion, I promise. Let me know if I can help in any way while Roberts' out of pocket. Good Luck !
IWANTOUT

to live my life and to be free !

[Monsoon]

Thanks Intelmetal!
I will start the 1.5/mg twice daily tomorrow morning! I have 8/2's, so I should split 1 in half to make to 4's, then half again to make 2's, then shave a 1/4 off of that. Man...I think I just confused myself. Thanks for the feedback!! I will check back with you later. What am I expected to feel like after that switch?

Monsoon

[intelmetal]

You should not have any trouble at all at that dose. You might have a small issue below 2mgs per day, I did. That does not mean that you will, so do not anticipate any trouble or you might convince yourself that there is a problem. Everyone is different and you may not have any issues at all. Just keep posting how you are feeling so that we can give you some feedback. Good Luck on your reduction. You will be fine.
IWANTOUT

to live my life and to be free !

[HQueen]

Hey, it's Melissa. It's been a couple of weeks and I wanted to wait to put this up when I knew it was over. My doctor and pharmacist thought I was nutz. HAHA A year ago this month I was at 12 milligrams suboxone. I immediately dropped to 8 mills subs. After 6 months dropped to 4 mills subs. The last 3 months I was getting the 2 mill subs pills. The last 2 months of those three I cut them in half to give me 1 mill subs THEN I cut them in quarters to give me .5 for a few weeks THEN I cut the 2 mills subs to EIGHTHS. (talk about tiny, right)? The result? NOT A DAMN THING I DID IT It's been 2 weeks off subs, no other opiates. THAT IS THE BEST DAMN FORMULA I have slept through every night no problem. Though a little anxiety kicked in I got .5 Ativan when needed. NO chills, no nausea, no muscle aches. ZILCH You have to give your body enouigh time to rid yourself of the higher levels so do it nice and slow. It took us awhile to get to where were at NOW so you gotta give yourself time to end it. DON'T RUSH Of course heroin still pops in my head, I'm an addict. I deal with it, the thought goes away as quickly as it came. I don't feel sick anymore so the world looks SOOOO much better. That drug and my doctor and myself saved me. I PRAY THIS BRINGS HOPE TO ALL WHO READS THIS. Wishing all os US out there the ability to be chemical free so we CAN see what a wonderful world this is. Their is just too any fun things to do than sit around worrying about being sick all the time. I hope I reached at least one person. THIS FORMLA WORKS Melissa

[HQueen]

Originally Posted by gtrslt

IM down to cuting a 2ml pil in half every day and thats as far as I can seem to get. If you find out any info please contact me, gtrslt@aol.com
Thanx! I dont like to be dependent on something!!!! GODLUCK!!

Hold there for 2 weeks at 1ml subs. Then cut that half to make four .5 subs. Take .5 for 2 weeks. Cut the WHOLE pill into eighths. Take the remaning 1/8 for the next two weeks or until you ru out of suboxone. You will have been off of it without even knowing it! HAHA No withdraws here. Might want to get some Ativan from your doc for some mild anxiety but that will pass. You'e been on a narcatic for a while. You brain will come back to "normal" The body has an amazing capacity to heal from addiction! You have to love yourself enough and soon you;ll remember all the things you used to love will come back to you. Good luck to you and God Bess you, Melissa aka HQueen

[subuser]

i've been on subs for about 2 1/2 months now...and have tapered down to 1/8 of a 2mg sub. Yesterday was my first day off the subs and it was unbearable....so i took another 1/8 of the sub to get myself to sleep. Any suggestions with the w/ds....should i cut that 1/8 in half?

[intelmetal]

You can either cut the 1/8 (.25mgs) in half to 1/16 (.125mgs) and take that for four days, then start the skipping process or you can start the skipping process right now. Take a dose then skip 1 day, take a dose then skip 2 days, take a dose then skip 3 days, take a dose then skip 4 days. If on the 4th day you have little to no withdrawl symptoms, you are done. You might have a few days of not feeling your best, but it will get better each and every day from then on. You are so close, and guess what, I'm at .25mgs also LOL So we should finish at about the same time !
IWANTOUT

to live my life and to be free !

[subuser]

thanks so much for the advice and encouragement....i've been feeling so hopeless from all these horror stories of withdrawal! I WANT OUT too! Good Luck to you! i feel hopeful~ i'm going to try the skipping process. =D

[HQueen]

OK, I popped back on here to read some things from other people. Before I ended my suboxone treatment at .25 mgs I think I was just bugging out. I mean the idea of being completey suboxone free was freaking me out. At such a small amount I was telling myself "their is NO damn way this tiny bit is getting into that vein under my tounge". My doctor and pharmacist were telling me I'm crazy and that I'm off and didn't even realize it. I was at .25 for a while. (the 2 mgs subs cut into eighths) I KNOW the BIG problem was the anxiety of going without the chemical. Personally I was taking such a small amount simply for the taste of the pill, even for the split second it was under my tounge. MAN you GOTTA get some kind of anxiety medication at the end of this trip, it helps soooo much. No heart racing, foggy vision, the world would just look upside down on ya (it did for me). Just to get you through a couple weeks of being off the subs. I was a true heavy hitter with that heroin people, LOVED IT. Tried rehab, methadone nothing worked. THIS worked, I tried cheating and attempted to get high (like we all do) but this stuff just blocked it. GOOD Haven't been high in over a year. Making it a point not abuse my ativan (can ya anyway, doubt it, not like xanax) Thanx to everyone who put their stories up here. It always makes you feel better when you know your not alone. Good luck everyone. One last thing, everyone who finally gets off suboxone, let's not make the same mistake that brought us here. How many times do we need to SUFFER to learn our lesson? GOOD LUCK EVERYONE I WISH EVERYONE ON HERE ALL THE SUCCESS IN THE WORLD................never will I be dope sick again

[Robert_325]

Monsoon .... you've been given some great advice. Yes you can go an extra couple days or even a week between reductions in the taper if you need to. What's a few extra days at this point. Main thing is continuing to make progress. It's a process not an event when we get clean. Stay in touch. God bless.

[Brandshe]

I will spare everyone the drama and try to keep this as short as possible! Due to insane Patient-Doctor dynamics I have literally told my doctor to piss off. So now I must end my treatment. I have been on suboxone for ever bit of six months 8mg 3x per day (24mg/day total) he had ask on my way out of his office how many pills I had left I told him 3 ( 8mg pills ) I was told to take 2 the following day and then 1 the day after. I came home and started to research what I was getting into ( a few years back I stopped cold turkey form a clinic at 160mg methadone ) Now I can find strength in every inch of my 5 foot frame, However I have been blessed with a child about 16 months back and from what I can gather form every one here, Its about to get pretty rough. I spoke to my doctor and asked ( very nice nice ) if he would be willing to taper me. Basically I was told that the 2 day taper 24mg>16MG>8MG was legal. ( i am thinking barely ) i guess what I am getting at is I am employed, a single parent and best freind and only playmate to a toddler of 16 months. LAY IT ON ME! I don't care if you tell me you ate ice cream only to puke it up 10 minutes later- If you felt better, if you swear its what got ya by, let me know! I could really use some help right about now.

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by Brandshe

I will spare everyone the drama and try to keep this as short as possible! Due to insane Patient-Doctor dynamics I have literally told my doctor to piss off. So now I must end my treatment. I have been on suboxone for ever bit of six months 8mg 3x per day (24mg/day total) he had ask on my way out of his office how many pills I had left I told him 3 ( 8mg pills ) I was told to take 2 the following day and then 1 the day after. I came home and started to research what I was getting into ( a few years back I stopped cold turkey form a clinic at 160mg methadone ) Now I can find strength in every inch of my 5 foot frame, However I have been blessed with a child about 16 months back and from what I can gather form every one here, Its about to get pretty rough. I spoke to my doctor and asked ( very nice nice ) if he would be willing to taper me. Basically I was told that the 2 day taper 24mg>16MG>8MG was legal. ( i am thinking barely ) i guess what I am getting at is I am employed, a single parent and best freind and only playmate to a toddler of 16 months. LAY IT ON ME! I don't care if you tell me you ate ice cream only to puke it up 10 minutes later- If you felt better, if you swear its what got ya by, let me know! I could really use some help right about now.

The only good advice and help for you right now is for you to get some more medication. You'll be lucky if you don't end up in a psych ward someplace stopping from what you're talking about. Going from 24mg to 16mg to 8mg in two days is going to end you up as one sick human being guaranteed. And I'm not so sure that is legal for the dr to do that to you without justifiable cause. He is almost guaranteeing you will end up in the hospital. I'm serious you need to get some more suboxone immediately and then I would talk to an attorney if your dr won't prescribe you another script until you can find another dr. Don't put this off. Deal with it in the morning. Keep us posted how it goes for you. Once you get more meds I can help you with the taper. I do it every day. God bless.

[intelmetal]

Robert is absolutely right on this one, as he is most of the time. You are in for a rude awakening if you do not get more subs right away ! Do what ever you have to do to get some more medication ( within reason ). You will end up in the hospital shortly if you cut down that fast. Heck, I wouldn't even call that cutting down, that's just as bad as cold turkey. You will wind up with the same result, agony for weeks, maybe months. I am not trying to scare you, but this is serious. Post back here tomorrow so we can help. God Bless You !
IWANTOUT

to live my life and to be free !

[magsj]

Dear Branshe:

I just wanted to chime in regarding your doctor discontinuing your care. Last I knew, if a doctor choses to discontinue your care for ANY reason he has to #1) Send you a CERTIFIED letter telling you he is doing so #2) He has to continue to care for you for 30 days, giving you enough time to find another physician and #3) I believe he has to continue to prescribe necessary medication for you for that 30 days. I am a nurse and have worked in doctor's offices. Last I knew, these stipulations were still in place. The one thing I question is if it was you that "fired" or chose to discontinue care, if the aforementioned still applies, BUT, I think it does.

Hang in there. I agree, I would definitely consult with an attorney or a legal assistance group. I just thought of something... I am going to look this up on the internet and I'll get back to you.

After checking, it looks like the above is what the State Medical Board recommends, but it doesn't sound like it is required. Below a site I found talking about this.

http://www.medicalboard.georgia.gov/...2086,26729866_

You might search the internet for your states Medical Board site; I'm sure you could contact them. At the least, it is highly unethical for him not to follow these guidelines and you might let him know that!

Best Wishes,

mags
mags

[subuser]

i'm not a fan of cannabis but i've been reading that it helps with wds. does anyone suggest using this for maybe the first 3-4 days of major wd? Just Curious

[Brandshe]

I really appreciate everyone's concern ( I mean that with all sincerity ) I left a message for MR MANCHILD/DR with his secretary early today to try once again to speak at him in regards to my health and well being. However.... no answer...My plight still floating in space. I am beginning to feel like ******** already. don't even get me started on the anxiety.

JUST A LIL TIDY FOR MAGSJ

I am not to sure my DOC is much concerned with ethics... The secretary mentioned above knew who I was the day I walked in to his office (I did not recognize her in any way) 2 weeks into my treatment I relapsed... I discussed what and how I used with my doctor...My EX (daughters father) comes to my house and tells me he ran into a fella (at a store) who I havent even seen in years who proceeded to tell him that " I heard your "baby's Mom" is back "in the ********" she was positive for morphine down a DR. "MANCHILDS" office.


I braught this to my DR's attention and was told no way...I said look-someone pulled some info from my chart and is running around telling people I know, I said " we discussed what I got into, but correct me if I am wrong but everything breaks down the same way right? morphine?" Witch what my screening would come back as. even though you and I know what it really was right because we talked about it.

He SAID- " your right" I am ganna get to the bottom of this right away can you help me get some proof so I can fire this person...its not right...blah blah blah.

so I did>>> it turns out that his secretary remembered me through a man I used to date a while back that she wanted to be involved with ( and she is now ). It just so happens that this secretary moved in with an ex employee of DR. MANCHILD who was married to a kid I have known for years.....

anyways long story short I got him his proof as to who it was jacking my personal and confidential files...and yet she is still there everyday and every time I ask to speak to my DR. she grills me as to what it is in regards to, and wont give me access to him unless I cough it up.

Before this incident NO ONE knew I was in treatment for anything!

I hope you all follow me on that one! HA HA! ( I have been awake close to 2 days so far )
the sick part is I got a whole pocket full of storys concerning my DR.

[sillygeel]

Hey Robert, Intermetal, Melinda and all the other suboxone "wanna get off the ********!" er's, I am still at 1 mg had to go up .5 cuz of surgeries on eye and ankylosing spondylitis pain, however, NO OPIATES........WOW THAT IS 5 SURGERIES WITHOUT THE NORCO etc...!!!!! Anyway, it sounds like a lot off hard stuff is going on in this thread. I just got my 3rd autoimmune disease detected and guess I am grateful to be ABOVE ground! Makes you real simple when you can't get water for 2 days b/c you hurt to move. It also forces you to get up and get help I just wanted to let the people who care know that as soon as I am stable enough I will go to my tapering again. Life is too short not to wanna be clean and laugh again. Take care, and no pot is not a good idea while tapering as you tell yourself (subconscious) that you cant handle this and it will come up later on and you will have discovered what a wuss you are! Do what you need to do to get clean just DONT ADD ANOTHER MIND ALTERING SUBSTANCE when you are trying to get clean! Tit for tat don't work my friend and if it does believe me it will only be temporarily! NAMASTE~GOD IS GOOD! Silly

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by sillygeel

Hey Robert, Intermetal, Melinda and all the other suboxone "wanna get off the ********!" er's, I am still at 1 mg had to go up .5 cuz of surgeries on eye and ankylosing spondylitis pain, however, NO OPIATES........WOW THAT IS 5 SURGERIES WITHOUT THE NORCO etc...!!!!! Anyway, it sounds like a lot off hard stuff is going on in this thread. I just got my 3rd autoimmune disease detected and guess I am grateful to be ABOVE ground! Makes you real simple when you can't get water for 2 days b/c you hurt to move. It also forces you to get up and get help. I just wanted to let the people who care know that as soon as I am stable enough I will go to my tapering again. Life is too short not to wanna be clean and laugh again. Take care, and no pot is not a good idea while tapering as you tell yourself (subconscious) that you cant handle this and it will come up later on and you will have discovered what a wuss you are! Do what you need to do to get clean just DONT ADD ANOTHER MIND ALTERING SUBSTANCE when you are trying to get clean! Tit for tat don't work my friend and if it does believe me it will only be temporarily! NAMASTE~GOD IS GOOD! Silly

Hey Lisa-Marie ... You sound like you're doing well. It's good to see you're still alive and hanging in there. I know you've had some challenges but you've done very well. You've done great actually considering the medical problems you've had. You take care of yourself and just pick up again on the taper when you've recovered a little more. Just do one thing at a time. You can only put yourself through so much at one time. I'm proud of you for doing all that you've done and you've still stayed away from the RX opiates other than your subs. You continue to show your commitment to getting better.

I actually agree with you on the "smoking pot" thing. If someone is truly trying to get clean then they shouldn't do other drugs. It's about more than just their drug of choice. It's contradictory to say "I'm getting clean" but then smoke pot too. Pot applies just like other substances if one is truly trying to be drug free even if it isn't so evil like the RX opiates or whatever one's addiction is to. If we're trying to be clean that applies to all mind-altering substances according to all the principles of traditional 12 step recovery.

The only thing I need to add here about this subject of smoking pot during opiate detox is that the forum isn't a 12 step recovery meeting. Even though I also agree (with the principles of recovery) pot has nothing to do with RX opiates. I try to help people with the particular problem they come here with asking for help about. It's hard to NOT interject my personal beliefs on people but it isn't my place to do that.

It's the same thing as me trying to not talk too much about my Christian beliefs even though I believe it would benefit someone in detox to hear about Jesus. Everyone that knows me knows that I'm a Christian but I try to not slam my beliefs on others as they didn't come here to discuss my Christian beliefs. If they ask I will share but I leave it at that. I tell people to email me and I'll talk off the forum about Chrisianity in depth. I kind of look at the pot thing in a similar fashion. I share my feelings on the subject only IF someone asks me. Otherwise I try to stick to the one drug they are seeking help with.

Some people come here to the forum and all they want is to get off opiates or get off benzos ... whatever their particular drug of choice is. Some of them don't want to stop everything they do, just the one drug. So I don't try to impose my beliefs about getting totally clean on anyone. I just try to help them accomplish whatever the one thing they came here for. I have literally unintentionally pushed a few people away from the forum before by continuing to talk about Christianity. But I agree with you that if a person really wants to be clean then they should be totally clean. That's why I always say that I agree with principles of recovery personally. I just don't try to impose those beliefs on others here as this is not NA. It's just a forum where people share with each other.

Enough talk about pot. You hang in there and take care of yourself. That is the top priority. You're doing great just keep it up. Stay in touch and let me know if there is anything that I can do to help you. It won't be long and you'll be totally clean, recovered from your health problems, and you'll be ready to get on with your life. You are in my prayers. God bless.

[SmlUGotFrenchs]

Reaching the end of a relatively tough week (could've been worse) - was WAY overprescribed Sub (8 mg 3X daily), and somehow being unable to remain conscious led me to this forum (I know, unconsiousness and reading a forum don't make sense together - nothing much does these days.) and prayerfully the help that I need. Reduced from the 24 mg to 18, then to 12 - have been attempting 9, but am having a rough time, i.e. GI problems, severe muscle cramps, nausea, so I am still pretty much stuck at 12 (divided into 2 doses). Then I woke up this morning feeling as if I'd been hit by a truck, EVERY part of me hurts, I cannot even lift my arm over my head - never experienced anything like this with W/D before. By the way, some were of the opinion that maybe I should not have even been RX'd the Subs at my level of Norcos (200 mg/daily) but that was interspersed with 4 spine surgeries in the past 6 months and all of the Diluadid, Fentanyl, etc. that goes along with it. Couldn't get off all this poison on my own, but I certainly realize I had no need for 24 mg of "help" for it!

Not incidentally, I continue to pray nightly that those who were affected by my condescending attitude earlier in the week accept my heartfelt apology and will consider working with me (attn: Robert). I have spent some time over the past couple of years on support forums, and as you have seen why, I never fail to develop an enemy or two. My groups have been "caringbridge.org", "make-a-wish.org", "St.Jude's", etc., etc. - you get the picture. My now 11 year old was diagnosed with Lymphoma in 2005 and it has been a difficult time for him, but he has been the pillar of strength; I am the weak one - the single parent addict with a spine made of mush, and due to my boy's issues, extreme loss of faith issues - maybe the most difficult part of the whole deal. Sorry, about all that, I have the feeling that though I haven't done much research here, this is neither the time or the place for this!

Should I stick to the 12 mg for the weekend, or attempt to go down to 9? And is this horrible pain withdrawal or something else? I am also having extreme swelling in my ankles, the same thing allergic reaction that happens when I take morphine - the water pill (20mg of Lasix, accompanied by Potassium supplement) is not helping at all).

Could use the feeling that someone is out there this day -- I know you guys have felt THAT before...

SmlUGotFrenchs

[melinda7.5]

Hi Lisa Marie
OMG ...you are one tough girl...
and if you lived by me I would come over and get you water anytime you wanted...Is there anyone to help you...

Try to take it easy, you will be in my prayers
Talk to you soon, Melinda

[Robert_325]

I deal with people daily who are in all stages of recovery and/or detox from an assortment of drugs. I've been viciously cursed, physically threatened, and have also made some wonderful long-lasting friendships as well while working with people on this forum. I've personally been the worst A-hole that God ever created while going through detox myself as well. So I understand how easy it is to lose control of our emotions and say things we really don't mean. That's not an excuse or justification, it's just what it is.

I hold NO ill feelings toward anyone who verbally loses control of their emotions while in the desperation of opiate w/d. I simply refuse to listen to it and remove myself from the situation when that happens. I'm way too busy here to argue or fight with anyone. But if a person will simply ask again for help and admit they blew it that works for me every time. A little sincerity goes a long way with me. I'm not here to judge anyone.

God forgave me for every dispicable thing I ever did in my life. If I can't forgive others I have no right to expect forgiveness for myself. And I make mistakes every single day. You mentioned experiencing a personal loss-of-faith. I pray that by the time your recovery is complete you will find your way back to your faith and that God will be glorified in your recovery and prayerfully in Jesus' name your son's as well.

I'm sorry for the problems your little boy has had. It's so sad to see a child we love who is really sick when there is nothing we can personally do to help them. It forces us to admit how weak and powerless we actually are over life. I hope he is doing well today. I will definitely include him in my prayers.

Tapering from suboxone is usually not a big problem at 12mg. But you've dropped from 24mg to 12mg in a matter of a few days. I think you're going too fast. What has happened here is that because you were inducted improperly and at such a high dose you're actually ill from the medication. I promise that once we get your dose at a stable level then you'll feel much better. You should feel better than you've felt since being in high school if you were inducted properly. After two weeks into this you should be blown away by how great you are feeling. So we've obviously got some adjustments to make here.

First thing is let's deal with your physical symptoms and which ones we can fix quickly. I'm assuming the GI problem is diarrhea? Please be specific. If that is the case get some imodium AD and start it immediately. Take it as needed. Imodium has an opiate base and will help a lot but the opiate base won't hurt your detox. You're also dehydrated. Start drinking a jug of Gatorade. It's loaded with electrolytes and will replenish your body.

You should keep your dose at 12mg for now and don't try to reduce it anymore until we get you totally stabilized. And that will happen quickly if we work at it. Just be as specific as you can when sharing about your symptoms. Take ibuprofen or aleve as needed for muscle aches. It would even be okay if you had some soma or flexeril to help with the muscle cramps. HOT showers or a LONG HOT bath does a lot of good as well.

So look over your post and if there is something you haven't told me about let me know. We'll get you on track over this weekend. Just relax and go along with what I suggest. I'll keep my eyes open for your reply and we'll get you turned around over the weekend. God bless.

[Brandshe]

my doc is admit that he has done nothing wrong in the way of my tapper...so basically you all are all I got! I could really use the help!

Originally Posted by Robert_325

I'm back. Tell me what you are doing and I'll try to make some suggestions. You've got to be on the same dose each day. You don't skip days until the end of your taper. So what have you done this last week? God bless.

What happens if you skip days while at a higher dose? I have already come to conclusion that My life is about to become hell. I need to make the most of it...I took 12mg today total 4-4-4 I feel like ******** but am still functioning ( but you all say that the WD doesn't hit you for 4 days ?? ) I only have 20mg left in the bottom of my bottle. I do have access to more (on the "street") however as I said I am a single parent (W/O child support, W/O any help for that matter) and I work at a gas station... money IS an issue.
I have made peace with idea of the suffering you all are suggesting I am about to experience ( I'm ready ) and I am vowing to stay as focused as possible but I am terrified that my will daughter suffer along with me...I can't have that.
I think we all know whats ganna happen when I can't get out of bed to care for her. The last thing I wanna do is walk that road again she means to much to me.

I Guess what I am getting at is for you all to do me a solid and get creative. (eg. do you think I should get some Hydro's {for those of you concerned trust me they are like tic-tac's they are not ganna send me into a relapse} for a few days so that I could taper from the SOB at a lower dose?) The only thing I wanna be able to do is remain on my feet for however long this is ganna take, NOT in a corner someplace in the fetal position, wishing the world to end. I just wanna bite the bit and get this ******** over with as quick and as painless as possible.
so whats up people? Any and all suggestions will be welcomed with open arms and an open mind.
Thanks for your time.

[Robert_325]

I suppose if I was backed into the corner you describe I would work my way through it somehow. But I would have to take it as it came to me. I don't know how to tell you to do what you're wanting to do. I'm not judging you. I just don't know how to advise you. I don't think anyone can you have to see how you feel and do what you have to do is all I can say. Jumping off abruptly from 12mg of suboxone daily would not be an option in my book. I think that would be insanity. So I guess almost anything you do would be better than that. That's about the only thing I can say about what you're planning to do. Just be very careful. All of this effort will be for nothing if you're not very careful. Good luck and God bless.

[SmlUGotFrenchs]

Originally Posted by Robert_325

I deal with people daily who are in all stages of recovery and/or detox from an assortment of drugs. I've been viciously cursed, physically threatened, and have also made some wonderful long-lasting friendships as well while working with people on this forum. I've personally been the worst A-hole that God ever created while going through detox myself as well. So I understand how easy it is to lose control of our emotions and say things we really don't mean. That's not an excuse or justification, it's just what it is.

I hold NO ill feelings toward anyone who verbally loses control of their emotions while in the desperation of opiate w/d. I simply refuse to listen to it and remove myself from the situation when that happens. I'm way too busy here to argue or fight with anyone. But if a person will simply ask again for help and admit they blew it that works for me every time. A little sincerity goes a long way with me. I'm not here to judge anyone.

God forgave me for every dispicable thing I ever did in my life. If I can't forgive others I have no right to expect forgiveness for myself. And I make mistakes every single day. You mentioned experiencing a personal loss-of-faith. I pray that by the time your recovery is complete you will find your way back to your faith and that God will be glorified in your recovery and prayerfully in Jesus' name your son's as well.

I'm sorry for the problems your little boy has had. It's so sad to see a child we love who is really sick when there is nothing we can personally do to help them. It forces us to admit how weak and powerless we actually are over life. I hope he is doing well today. I will definitely include him in my prayers.

Tapering from suboxone is usually not a big problem at 12mg. But you've dropped from 24mg to 12mg in a matter of a few days. I think you're going too fast. What has happened here is that because you were inducted improperly and at such a high dose you're actually ill from the medication. I promise that once we get your dose at a stable level then you'll feel much better. You should feel better than you've felt since being in high school if you were inducted properly. After two weeks into this you should be blown away by how great you are feeling. So we've obviously got some adjustments to make here.

First thing is let's deal with your physical symptoms and which ones we can fix quickly. I'm assuming the GI problem is diarrhea? Please be specific. If that is the case get some imodium AD and start it immediately. Take it as needed. Imodium has an opiate base and will help a lot but the opiate base won't hurt your detox. You're also dehydrated. Start drinking a jug of Gatorade. It's loaded with electrolytes and will replenish your body.

You should keep your dose at 12mg for now and don't try to reduce it anymore until we get you totally stabilized. And that will happen quickly if we work at it. Just be as specific as you can when sharing about your symptoms. Take ibuprofen or aleve as needed for muscle aches. It would even be okay if you had some soma or flexeril to help with the muscle cramps. HOT showers or a LONG HOT bath does a lot of good as well.

So look over your post and if there is something you haven't told me about let me know. We'll get you on track over this weekend. Just relax and go along with what I suggest. I'll keep my eyes open for your reply and we'll get you turned around over the weekend. God bless.

I sent a reply yesterday and can't figure out where it went. It was kind of important because of the list of all of the meds you needed - almost through the weekend at 12, though am scared to drop below it! Hopefully, I'll figure out this forum soon!

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Originally Posted by Robert_325

I deal with people daily who are in all stages of recovery and/or detox from an assortment of drugs. I've been viciously cursed, physically threatened, and have also made some wonderful long-lasting friendships as well while working with people on this forum. I've personally been the worst A-hole that God ever created while going through detox myself as well. So I understand how easy it is to lose control of our emotions and say things we really don't mean. That's not an excuse or justification, it's just what it is.

I hold NO ill feelings toward anyone who verbally loses control of their emotions while in the desperation of opiate w/d. I simply refuse to listen to it and remove myself from the situation when that happens. I'm way too busy here to argue or fight with anyone. But if a person will simply ask again for help and admit they blew it that works for me every time. A little sincerity goes a long way with me. I'm not here to judge anyone.

God forgave me for every dispicable thing I ever did in my life. If I can't forgive others I have no right to expect forgiveness for myself. And I make mistakes every single day. You mentioned experiencing a personal loss-of-faith. I pray that by the time your recovery is complete you will find your way back to your faith and that God will be glorified in your recovery and prayerfully in Jesus' name your son's as well.

I'm sorry for the problems your little boy has had. It's so sad to see a child we love who is really sick when there is nothing we can personally do to help them. It forces us to admit how weak and powerless we actually are over life. I hope he is doing well today. I will definitely include him in my prayers.

Tapering from suboxone is usually not a big problem at 12mg. But you've dropped from 24mg to 12mg in a matter of a few days. I think you're going too fast. What has happened here is that because you were inducted improperly and at such a high dose you're actually ill from the medication. I promise that once we get your dose at a stable level then you'll feel much better. You should feel better than you've felt since being in high school if you were inducted properly. After two weeks into this you should be blown away by how great you are feeling. So we've obviously got some adjustments to make here.

First thing is let's deal with your physical symptoms and which ones we can fix quickly. I'm assuming the GI problem is diarrhea? Please be specific. If that is the case get some imodium AD and start it immediately. Take it as needed. Imodium has an opiate base and will help a lot but the opiate base won't hurt your detox. You're also dehydrated. Start drinking a jug of Gatorade. It's loaded with electrolytes and will replenish your body.

You should keep your dose at 12mg for now and don't try to reduce it anymore until we get you totally stabilized. And that will happen quickly if we work at it. Just be as specific as you can when sharing about your symptoms. Take ibuprofen or aleve as needed for muscle aches. It would even be okay if you had some soma or flexeril to help with the muscle cramps. HOT showers or a LONG HOT bath does a lot of good as well.

So look over your post and if there is something you haven't told me about let me know. We'll get you on track over this weekend. Just relax and go along with what I suggest. I'll keep my eyes open for your reply and we'll get you turned around over the weekend. God bless.

I sent a reply yesterday, but couldn't find it today - so sent it again today. There was a really quick box indicating my post wouldn't be viewed until it was approved by a moderator. Not sure what that means, but am trying to answer the questions you are asking and provide the information I feel like you need to help me. I guess I just don't know how to use this forum.