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    Hello out there. I'm a newcomer - been sitting in the background and not saying much[8)]I am very grateful to those of you who have been sharing. I need some HELP / ADVICE.

    I am currently taking MS Contin (120 mg/day) & MSIR (15 mg tabs as needed for "breakthrough pain"). This has been going on now for 27 months and so have a host of side effects, progressively. Of course, each of these side effects have required their own prescription med and each of these meds have had their own side effects - so on and so on and so on.[8]

    So, in addition to the Morphine, it is necessary for me to take other drugs such as Neurontin, Skelaxin, Methylprednisolone, Cymbalta, Klonopin, Wellbutrin XL, Aricept 10, Prosom, Triamterene/HCTZ, Lipitor, Seroquel, and Cyanocobalamin Injections (Vitamin B-12).

    My shrink has been trying to get me to go on Suboxone and I 'm not sure what to do. A medical condition I have requires I take a very strong painkiller.

    Can anyone out there share their experiences / opinion with Suboxone in general and, as a strong painkiller for both muscoskeletal and neurological chronic pain to replace the morphine and, hopefully, most of the other drugs - their side effects are literally beginning to kill me.

    Thanks in advance



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    Sorry, no help from me but I'm also curious about the analgesic qualities of suboxone.

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    quote:Originally posted by dobo

    Sorry, no help from me but I'm also curious about the analgesic qualities of suboxone.
    Hi dobo [^],
    All of the research and everything I've read from other users of Soboxone (incidentally, there is a wealth of info on the "Painkiller & other Addictions Forum" from present and past users of Suboxone) does not really address the subject that both you and I are seeking an answer.

    However, My psychiatrist, who is also a specialist in addiction & pain management, has assured me that Suboxone is much stronger than morphine or any of the the other opiates / painkillers as an analgesic. Also, I get the feeling that there just isn't that much data out there on the subject in general and that it's analgesic effects are more "condition specific" than anything else (just my opinion). Most of what I've read is geared toward it's use as a detox agent - not an analgesic. [:0]

    To update you on my situation I took the plunge 3 days ago. In my case, the detox off the morphine was hell - I went 51 hours before it got so bad that I gave in and took my first dose of Suboxone (one 8mg -- 2mg tab - didn't do much) followed by my second dose a half hour later. Let me tell you that the second dose did the trick & took away my severe withdrawal symptoms within 20 minutes. [^]

    So far, it doesn't seem to be helping as much as the morphine. However, I have been told that it will take 2 weeks for the analgesic effects to fully kick in and that a dose adjustment upward may be needed [?] I'll keep you posted if you like.Good Luck and God Bless... Tony [8D]

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    I'm on Sub. 3 weeks now. It doesn't do much for pain, let me tell you. I'm in alot of pain in the morning so I start my day with two 50mg. Tramadol. I also started on a new Anti-depressant called Cymbalta (I was on Effexor) and that is helping with some of my other pain.

    But to answer your question, you still need a good pain releiver in addition to Suboxone, unfortunately. Your psychiatrist is wrong in that it is stronger analgesic than Morphine. Perhaps I'm not taking enough for pain relief? I take 12mgs. daily of Sub.

    I do find that I'm sleeping ALOT. Other than that, I'm pretty happy, feeling fine, and going on with my life.

    Anrob11, that's a seriously scarey amount of drugs you are taking! You are killing yourself. Good luck to you.

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    Hi Ms PQ,

    Do you have any thoughts on what the withdrawal from suboxone will be like? I know it's a wonderful thing for getting past pain med addiction but in the end, all things must draw to a close. Since suboxone treatment is largely just another narcotic and apparently much easier to control than the other narcotics, won't the eventual withdrawal from it also be rather traumatic?


    Hey Tony, thanks for the info. Please advise on how you're doing and how you deal with the pain. My big reason for not simply weaning off oxycodone is I still hurt rather badly and OTC stuff doesn't really touch it. Large amounts of OTC stuff is also probably more injurious to the systems than small amounts of narcotics and we all know how some of the other pharmo pain med families have been doing. At least narcotics don't casue strokes and heart attacks.

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    When you decide to get off suboxone you start with a very slow detox.The slower the better,if it's done right you should have no problems.Buprenorphene(suboxone,subutex) has an extremely long half life.That's you only need to take it once a day or even once every 2 days.When you detox off of it you have to cut back in small amounts so that your serum level has time to come down and your body adjusts.If you try and jump off quick I garuntee you that the withdrawls will be intense and long lasting.So remember take it slooooooow.Good luck.....Dave

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    Anrob11: Suboxone is a very strong pain killer in fact some hospitals use it in the injection form.When you see a doctor that prescribes suboxone he\she can tell you whether you need added pain killers and what to take........good luck..Dave

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    I agree with Dave. In fact I take 4mg. 3x daily and next week I'm gonna cut down from 12mg to 10mg. daily. My doctor has suggested that some people stay on it for life. I don't know if I'm one of those people. But I have chronic pain and haven't really explored other choices. Don't people like us need to stay on something all our lives?

    Now, Bupenorphine is abusable when injected. That's when it may be a stronger pain med. But Suboxone has Naloxone in it to block the high effect one would get from shooting it.

    This info is taken from the Suboxone site:

    SUBOXONE at the appropriate dose may be used to:
    -Suppress symptoms of opioid withdrawal
    -Decrease cravings for opioids
    -Reduce illicit opioid use
    -Block the effects of other opioids
    -Help patients stay in treatment

    I'll report next week on how I feel when weaning down 2mg.

    Have a great opiate free day!

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    quote:Originally posted by anrob11



    Hello out there. I'm a newcomer - been sitting in the background and not saying much[8)]I am very grateful to those of you who have been sharing. I need some HELP / ADVICE.

    I am currently taking MS Contin (120 mg/day) & MSIR (15 mg tabs as needed for "breakthrough pain"). This has been going on now for 27 months and so have a host of side effects, progressively. Of course, each of these side effects have required their own prescription med and each of these meds have had their own side effects - so on and so on and so on.[8]

    So, in addition to the Morphine, it is necessary for me to take other drugs such as Neurontin, Skelaxin, Methylprednisolone, Cymbalta, Klonopin, Wellbutrin XL, Aricept 10, Prosom, Triamterene/HCTZ, Lipitor, Seroquel, and Cyanocobalamin Injections (Vitamin B-12).

    My shrink has been trying to get me to go on Suboxone and I 'm not sure what to do. A medical condition I have requires I take a very strong painkiller.

    Can anyone out there share their experiences / opinion with Suboxone in general and, as a strong painkiller for both muscoskeletal and neurological chronic pain to replace the morphine and, hopefully, most of the other drugs - their side effects are literally beginning to kill me.

    Thanks in advance



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    SORRY I WISH I NEW HOW TO HELP DO YOU GO TO A PAIN MANAGEMENT CLINIC , THEY MAY HAVE THE ANSWER , I AM HAVING A PROBLEM ALSO , BUT NOT ON AS MANY MEDS AS YOU GOOD LUCK , I WISH I COULD BE A BETTER HELP.
    quote:Originally posted by dobo

    Sorry, no help from me but I'm also curious about the analgesic qualities of suboxone.

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    quote:Originally posted by anrob11



    Hello out there. I'm a newcomer - been sitting in the background and not saying much[8)]I am very grateful to those of you who have been sharing. I need some HELP / ADVICE.

    I am currently taking MS Contin (120 mg/day) & MSIR (15 mg tabs as needed for "breakthrough pain"). This has been going on now for 27 months and so have a host of side effects, progressively. Of course, each of these side effects have required their own prescription med and each of these meds have had their own side effects - so on and so on and so on.[8]

    So, in addition to the Morphine, it is necessary for me to take other drugs such as Neurontin, Skelaxin, Methylprednisolone, Cymbalta, Klonopin, Wellbutrin XL, Aricept 10, Prosom, Triamterene/HCTZ, Lipitor, Seroquel, and Cyanocobalamin Injections (Vitamin B-12).

    My shrink has been trying to get me to go on Suboxone and I 'm not sure what to do. A medical condition I have requires I take a very strong painkiller.

    Can anyone out there share their experiences / opinion with Suboxone in general and, as a strong painkiller for both muscoskeletal and neurological chronic pain to replace the morphine and, hopefully, most of the other drugs - their side effects are literally beginning to kill me.

    Thanks in advance



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    I cant say enough good about Suboxone . It changed my life , I think the pain your feeling is your liver about to explode from all those pills . Seriously do the Suboxone . I know people that have sucessfully quit >>>>>> with Suboxone without any problems . Its truly a mericle drug .,

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    quote:Originally posted by anrob11

    quote:Originally posted by dobo

    Sorry, no help from me but I'm also curious about the analgesic qualities of suboxone.
    Hi dobo [^],
    All of the research and everything I've read from other users of Soboxone (incidentally, there is a wealth of info on the "Painkiller & other Addictions Forum" from present and past users of Suboxone) does not really address the subject that both you and I are seeking an answer.

    However, My psychiatrist, who is also a specialist in addiction & pain management, has assured me that Suboxone is much stronger than morphine or any of the the other opiates / painkillers as an analgesic. Also, I get the feeling that there just isn't that much data out there on the subject in general and that it's analgesic effects are more "condition specific" than anything else (just my opinion). Most of what I've read is geared toward it's use as a detox agent - not an analgesic. [:0]

    To update you on my situation I took the plunge 3 days ago. In my case, the detox off the morphine was hell - I went 51 hours before it got so bad that I gave in and took my first dose of Suboxone (one 8mg -- 2mg tab - didn't do much) followed by my second dose a half hour later. Let me tell you that the second dose did the trick & took away my severe withdrawal symptoms within 20 minutes. [^]

    So far, it doesn't seem to be helping as much as the morphine. However, I have been told that it will take 2 weeks for the analgesic effects to fully kick in and that a dose adjustment upward may be needed [?] I'll keep you posted if you like.Good Luck and God Bless... Tony [8D]

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    quote:Originally posted by anrob11

    quote:Originally posted by dobo

    Sorry, no help from me but I'm also curious about the analgesic qualities of suboxone.
    Hi dobo [^],
    All of the research and everything I've read from other users of Soboxone (incidentally, there is a wealth of info on the "Painkiller & other Addictions Forum" from present and past users of Suboxone) does not really address the subject that both you and I are seeking an answer.

    However, My psychiatrist, who is also a specialist in addiction & pain management, has assured me that Suboxone is much stronger than morphine or any of the the other opiates / painkillers as an analgesic. Also, I get the feeling that there just isn't that much data out there on the subject in general and that it's analgesic effects are more "condition specific" than anything else (just my opinion). Most of what I've read is geared toward it's use as a detox agent - not an analgesic. [:0]

    To update you on my situation I took the plunge 3 days ago. In my case, the detox off the morphine was hell - I went 51 hours before it got so bad that I gave in and took my first dose of Suboxone (one 8mg -- 2mg tab - didn't do much) followed by my second dose a half hour later. Let me tell you that the second dose did the trick & took away my severe withdrawal symptoms within 20 minutes. [^]

    So far, it doesn't seem to be helping as much as the morphine. However, I have been told that it will take 2 weeks for the analgesic effects to fully kick in and that a dose adjustment upward may be needed [?] I'll keep you posted if you like.Good Luck and God Bless... Tony [8D]

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    HI, CONGRATULATIONS ON TAKING THE PLUNGE WITH GETTING OFF OF THE MORPHINE I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE HARDEST STEPS. I KNOW THAT YOU ARE IN PAIN NOW, HANG IN THERE I KNOW THAT IT FEELS LIKE YOU WILL HURT FOREVER. BUT IT DOES GET BETTER!! I WAS ON LORTAB 10S 8 TO 12 A DAY. I COULD NOT BELIEVE HOW MUCH THE DRUG WAS HURTING MY BODY. IT MADE ME IN CONSTANT PAIN. SURE THAT YOU DRINK LOTS OF WATER AND JUICE TO FLUSH YOUR SYSTEM, AND TRY TO WALK A LITTLE EVERY DAY EVEN IF IT IS JUST UP THE ROAD AND BACK. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, YOU ARE TAKING BACK CONTROL OF YOUR LIFE!!!

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    Hi Everybody;

    This posting is especially for hae, dobo, ticfish, Ron714, PoppyQueen, and mpvt. Although anyone else is still invited to contribute. [^]

    Well it's now been one week since I started Suboxone. It may be premature, but I now feel the best I have in 3 years. For those of you giving me advice that I am still taking too many pills, you are probably right. However, one step at a time, weaning off some of the other prescribed meds is part of my / our (my doc's) treatment plan for me. Taking care of the BIG ONE - MORPHINE - was the first step.

    I can't thank you all enough for the support, education, & first hand knowledge you have given and how much it is helping - not only on this site, but also the Painkillers and Addictions Forum.

    Looking forward to more of the same. Thanks again.

    A grateful Tony [8D]

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    Hi Tony,

    Ain't it great? So what are you doing for pain? How much Sub are you taking daily? I've never taken Morphine but I know it's the cadillac of pain killers. Beating an addiction to that through Suboxone says alot.

    This forum is my sanctuary. No one except my husband knows of my drug addiction and I only told him 2 months ago. That was really difficult, but I presented it to him in a way of a problem and a solution. I had already decided upon the Suboxone at that time. So I finished up all my scripts and was down to my last pill when I started treatment.

    So this is the place where I can relate to everyone, listen to their stories, and we can therefore help each other.

    Have a great opiate-free day!

    PQ
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    By the way, I'd like to report a side effect of the sub: I can't poop! Also, I sleep alot. I sleep about nine hours at night, heavily and take one or two long naps during the day. Sometimes when I'm driving I have difficulty staying awake.

    Anyone have these problems? Well, not really problems, it's still way better than eating all those pain killers!


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    Have you tried to lower your dose abit.This can be a sign of a high dose and also believe it or not a low dose.You may have to play around with it until you feel right......Dave

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    PQ, sorry about your little problems. Your doing great other wise. I'm still trying to wean myself back off tabs. Without going the suboronex way. My husband is the only only who really knows about the pill addiction, besides this forum. I guess I'm not ready to face it yet. I try and make myself sleep all time when I'm not at work. I guess so I won't stay up and eat pills. How did you make your self stop with the pills. I don't even feel like the same person anymore.

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    quote:Originally posted by PoppyQueen

    Hi Tony,

    Ain't it great? So what are you doing for pain? How much Sub are you taking daily? I've never taken Morphine but I know it's the cadillac of pain killers. Beating an addiction to that through Suboxone says alot.

    This forum is my sanctuary. No one except my husband knows of my drug addiction and I only told him 2 months ago. That was really difficult, but I presented it to him in a way of a problem and a solution. I had already decided upon the Suboxone at that time. So I finished up all my scripts and was down to my last pill when I started treatment.

    So this is the place where I can relate to everyone, listen to their stories, and we can therefore help each other.

    Have a great opiate-free day!

    PQ
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    Suboxone started 9/26/05
    Hello PQ

    Good to hear from you direct - although I have been following some of your other posts in different Forums. You have a wealth of knowledge to share and, it was your posts and replies to others that largely influenced my decision to begin
    suboxone treatment. [^]

    To answer your question about what I do for pain now, it largely depends on the type of pain and what the med is for. Here goes:
    1) Neurontin (1800 mg/day) 2) Skelaxin 1200 mg/day) 3)Methylprednisolone 4 mg on odd days & 8 mg on even days 4) Wellbutrin XL 300 mg/day 5) Cymbalta 60 mg/day and Klonopin 2 mg/day. These are all "pain specific" & targeted toward pain caused by certain conditions. I will be totally off Skelaxin & Klonopin by the end of the month.

    There are also 5 other meds - not really pain killers, but rather designed to treat other conditions. For example: 1) Triamterene/HCTZ for Edema; 2)Lipitor to control cholesterol levels; 3)Aricept 10 to treat early onset of Alzheimers; 4) Prosom as a sleep aide (coupled with OTC Melatonin); and Cyanocobalamin Injection ( for elevated methylmalonic acid and the resultant Vitamin B-12 deficiency).

    Weel, that's my daily pharmaceutical cocktail which resulted over almost 2 years of trying other drug combinations - this one has / had really worked for me. Now' with the dropping of Morphine and replacing it with Suboxone, only time will tell

    Yes, I too find Suboxone very tiring and must sleep alot during the day and my bowel movements, although steady, are also similar to yours - I will be trying a stool softener to see if that helps. [?]

    Well, that's another chapter into my tale of woe. Incidentally, I am having a back & forth communication with another member that is very symptom / illness specific. We are doing this by direct e-mail. I believe you too share the same illnesses and symptoms we do and would like to invite you in. If you want to, e-mail me at tonyp@stx.rr.com and I will forward you some info.

    Thanks ... Tony [8D]


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    Hi Tony, you made my day when you said I influenced you to get on Suboxone. Let's just hope you're always happy about that decision!

    I wonder why you take two anti-depressants. I also take Cymbalta 60mg. I was on Effexor and was switched to Cymbalta to help with pain. Most of my neck and shoulder pain is gone, I don't know what got rid of it, but thank God for big favors. The Cymbalta is making me feel even and I'm pretty darned happy most of the time--perhaps because I'm no longer dealing with the anxiety of trying to find my drugs.

    I also take Zocor 5mg. for high cholesterol. And when my lower back is flaring up in pain which has been lately, I take 2 Tramadol. For severe headache I take Fiorinal. That's my Rx list. I want to get rid of the Fiorinal next.

    Sounds like I'm just a drug-taking fool! It's funny because no one in my family takes anything.

    So tomorrow I'm stepping down 2mg. of the Suboxone and don't forsee any difficulties. And Dulcolax has helped with my (ahem) other problem.

    How are you doing with weaning down from Klonopin? I hear that's a nasty addiction. Fortunately, I never really got into the anti-anxiety medicines.

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    This is my first post.
    Today is my 1st day on Suboxone. I took my last hydro last night. I have been taking about 10 per day (10/325) for awhile now. I was supposed to start Friday but I found out the hard way that the Dr. office closes at noon on Friday. I had it all planned out to stop taking on Thursday night and start the Suboxone on Friday. I was well into withdrawal when I called and found out they were closed! Thank God I hadn't disposed of my Hydro yet. I had to postpone my treatment for the weekend. I went to the Dr at around 11 this morning and she said I wasn't suffering bad enough yet [V] and to come back at 5. I went home and tried to stay occupied until then. I am a wimp when it comes to dealing with withdrawal. I didn't think I'd make it and I ended up going back at 4. I was fully withdrawing then. She wrote my script and said to take it 3X per day (2mg) for 2 days and increase to 4x, for a total of 10 days. I couldn't get my prescription filled fast enough. I took it and headed home. I was worried about being this way and my kids seeing me. I started feeling better by the time I got home (about 25 minute drive), better but not good. I took about a 2 hour nap and could not believe how well I felt when I woke up. This is truly a miracle! I'm not sure if I should take another before bed. I think I will hold off until morning. I'm hoping by talking about my experience I can speed my recovery.

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    Hi Opiodhell, welcome to the Suboxone club! I just completed a month of the stuff and am doing really well. Unfortunately I am in pain and taking Tramadol and I guess I just have to suffer. I have an appt. with my Chiropractor tomorrow and hope it'll help my pain. How spoiled I used to be when I was in pain to just pop a few pills and the pain would go away. I guess those days are over with.

    Good thing you didn't throw out your hydro's! I kept calling the doctor to make sure he'd be there at the appointment time--he probably thought I was nuts. Well, he is a psychiatrist. But I didn't want to suffer at all because I had eaten all my Vics. and timing was essential.

    Yesterday I went from 12mg. a day to 10mg. Suboxone daily. I really didn't notice a difference. I guess I'll stay on 10mg. a day for the next month and then step down to 8mg.

    Good luck to you and have a great-opiate free day!


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    Hi PQ

    Sorry i've been amiss in getting back to you. I was reviewing your postings sent to me and realized I have not answered some of the questions you have asked - Oooops [:I]. I hope this will cover them all.

    1. "How much Suboxone am I taking" ... Currently I am taking 1 8mg-2mg tab twice a day... 1@ 6:00 a.m. and the other at 5:30 p.m.

    2. "What am I taking for pain" ... Well, I have to answer this one by saying I'm really not sure at this stage. I have 2 different medical problems causing chronic pain. One is an inoperable spinal/back condition brought upon by a number of different problems such as Lumbar and Thoracic Scoliosis, Sciatica, Spinal Stenosis, Advanced Degenerative Disc Disease, Severe Spinal Arthiritis, a number of collapsed & fused disks in all three spinal levels, Foraminal Stenosis. Myelopathy, Radiculopathy - ENOUGH !!! My mainstay for these was Morphine which I hope the Suboxone will replace. I also take Neurontin (600 mg tabs 3 times a day) which is a pain killer targeted directly at the spine. I also take a Corticosteroid - Methylpredisolone (Medrol)(1 4 mg tab on odd daysof the week and 2 4 mg tabs on even days)which is a very strong anti-inflammatory /painkiller for the Arthiritis. The second medical problem is Progressive Polyneuropathy which is alot of fun [)] This is strictly a neurological problem involving the dying off of nerve cells throughout your body and into your brain - won't bother you with how this has effected me. I've been taking the Neurontin for this also and Cymbalta which has Neuropathic Pain killing properties(in addition to it's anti-depression qualities).

    3. "Why 2 Anti-Depressants" Cymbalta 60 mg 1 time per day (9:00 p.m.) and Wellbutrin XL 300 mg 1 time a day in the morning. As you know, depression is primarily about a chemical imbalances in the brain - primarily involving our Neurotransmitter System which contol our feelings, emotions, and some cognitive and motor functions. Rx meds hopefully help to restore the chemical balance by restoring &/or inhibiting the growth of the individual neurotransmitters (I believe their are 16 of them ???). Cymbalta blocks the reuptake of Serotonin & Norepenepherine where as Wellbutrin alters the levels of Norepenepherine and Dopamine in our brains. Why am I on 2 of them? Don't know except that only one wasn't working by itself - since the second was added I've felt much better. I trust my Psychiatrist and pretty much leave the "Brain Salad Surgery" decisions to him. [8]

    4. "Be careful wearing down on Klonopin". I have been taking 2 2mg tabs per day. I'm well on my way to weaning myself off on that one. I'm no spring chicken - 58 y.o.a. - and believe I can say that I've been through it all as a full blown addict for more than 20 years who, with the help of NA & AA, managed to detox cold turkey when I was 40 y.o.a. [B)] I stayed clean & sober until 3 years ago when all the medical problems started to catch up with me. Even though they are prescribed drugs for a legitimate medical condition, I'm still a little old school and don't consider myself completely clean any more. At least I still haven't picked up a drink which gives me 18 continuous years of sobriety - I guess that's something [?]

    Wow I didn't realize how long this posting got - Oooops. Well PQ, I hope this answered all the questions. Everything continues to be fine on my end and every day is better than the last since starting Suboxone 10 days ago. [^]

    Later ... Tony [8D]






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    Hello opioidhell ... Just like PQ says, "Welcome to the Suboxone Club". Boy, for someone who describes themselves as a "wimp when it comes to withdrawal", I think you did exceptionally well. You had a choice to make and could just as easily returned to your pills instead of having the courage to stick it out.[B)]

    Good job. Keep using the Forum as a support group - we are all in the same boat [^]

    Signing Off For Now ... Tony [8D]

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    Thanks to all for your support. I made it through my 1st full day. I started the Suboxone last night (2 mg) and today was my 1st full day (2 mg 3 times). Tomorrow I go up to 4 times a day. I'm not sure why the Dr had me start at 3 times and then go to 4 times, I guess she knows what she is doing. I have read others warn about this stuff being hard to get off of. Right now, I am not the least bit worried about that. I'm sure they can slowly wean me off of that when the time comes. I am just amazed at how well this stuff works. The prospect of going through those dreaded withdrawals kept me on the hydro for a lot longer then I would have liked. I'm glad I stumbled across this forum, it has been a big help. I need to get on the ball tomorrow and make some calls to find counseling. It is a requirement and I know it will be beneficial. I just hope I find someone I like. Talk to you all soon.

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    Hi,

    I'm Mamie,
    I've been off Norco/hydro 10/325 on AND OFF NOW FOR 4 MONTHS WITHOUT ANY HELP. I AM NOW ON CYMBALTA. THE WITHDRAWALS WERE ABSOLUTELY HELL, AND I CAME OFF ALL ON MY OWN -- PLUS I GOT ARRESTED FOR PRESCRIPTION FRAUD BECAUSE I WANTED MY PILLS SO BADLY I JUST GOT THEM ON MY OWN. I HAD TO KICK IT IN JAIL BEFORE MY HUSBAND BAILED ME OUT. LUCKILY THE JUDGE SAW FIT TO ORDER TREATMENT AND VOLUNTEER WORK RATHER THAN JAIL. I STILL HAVE TERRIBLE CRAVINGS, BUT CAN NEVER BE TEMPTED TO DO THAT AGAIN - I HAVE A LOVING HUSBAND AND 5-YEAR-OLD-SON. I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO GO THRU W/D AND SUFFER SO BADLY. IN THE END I'VE COME OFF THE PILLS ABOUT 4 TIMES AND IT NEVER WAS PRETTY - IT WAS TERRIBLE AGONY, AND YET I LET MYSELF DO THAT THRU NO REAL WILL OF MY OWN --- GO AFTER THE NORCO AGAIN AND AGAIN BECAUSE I'M AN ADDICT. I'M NO CRIMINAL. FACT IS, I'M A JOURNALIST, EDITOR AND COLLEGE TEACHER - CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT! ANYWAY, I'M JUST AN ADDICT LOOKING FOR A REASONABLE WAY OUT OF THIS INSIDIOUS CYCLE --COULD SUBOXONE WORK FOR ME TO SUPRES THE CRAVINGS? GOD WILLING: I HOPE IT CAN. AND I ALSO HAVE CHRONIC MIGRAINES. I SEE MY DOCTOR THIS WEEK AND HOPE HE'LL RX SUBOXONE FOR ME AS I CAN'T GO DOWN THIS DIRTY PATH AGAIN AND LOSE EVERYTHING. PLEASE HELP.

    A DESPERATE MAMIE

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    quote:Originally posted by mamie

    Hi,

    I'm Mamie,
    I've been off Norco/hydro 10/325 on AND OFF NOW FOR 4 MONTHS WITHOUT ANY HELP. I AM NOW ON CYMBALTA. THE WITHDRAWALS WERE ABSOLUTELY HELL, AND I CAME OFF ALL ON MY OWN -- PLUS I GOT ARRESTED FOR PRESCRIPTION FRAUD BECAUSE I WANTED MY PILLS SO BADLY I JUST GOT THEM ON MY OWN. I HAD TO KICK IT IN JAIL BEFORE MY HUSBAND BAILED ME OUT. LUCKILY THE JUDGE SAW FIT TO ORDER TREATMENT AND VOLUNTEER WORK RATHER THAN JAIL. I STILL HAVE TERRIBLE CRAVINGS, BUT CAN NEVER BE TEMPTED TO DO THAT AGAIN - I HAVE A LOVING HUSBAND AND 5-YEAR-OLD-SON. I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO GO THRU W/D AND SUFFER SO BADLY. IN THE END I'VE COME OFF THE PILLS ABOUT 4 TIMES AND IT NEVER WAS PRETTY - IT WAS TERRIBLE AGONY, AND YET I LET MYSELF DO THAT THRU NO REAL WILL OF MY OWN --- GO AFTER THE NORCO AGAIN AND AGAIN BECAUSE I'M AN ADDICT. I'M NO CRIMINAL. FACT IS, I'M A JOURNALIST, EDITOR AND COLLEGE TEACHER - CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT! ANYWAY, I'M JUST AN ADDICT LOOKING FOR A REASONABLE WAY OUT OF THIS INSIDIOUS CYCLE --COULD SUBOXONE WORK FOR ME TO SUPRES THE CRAVINGS? GOD WILLING: I HOPE IT CAN. AND I ALSO HAVE CHRONIC MIGRAINES. I SEE MY DOCTOR THIS WEEK AND HOPE HE'LL RX SUBOXONE FOR ME AS I CAN'T GO DOWN THIS DIRTY PATH AGAIN AND LOSE EVERYTHING. PLEASE HELP.

    A DESPERATE MAMIE
    Hi Mamie

    Welcome aboard ... You are not alone and many of us have walked similar paths. Few of us are "ciminals". The fact is many of us are "Functioning Addicts". We have or had respectable jobs, families, all of the look good trapings, Addiction is nothing to be ashamed about - as long as you are willing to admit it and are willing to do what it takes to stop this insidious cycle. [}]

    Suboxone can definitely help you with your problem. A doctor has to have a special license to prescribe it - does your doctor ? You can find out by going to www.suboxone.com and using their Physician Locator.

    If you have read the entire two pages of this Forum you know my story. If you haven't, please do. I am now on Suboxone for 18 days and I thank god I listened to my doctor who kept telling me to get off the Morphine Your withdrawal will be almost painless and over in 20 mins. to an hour. You won't experience cravings either because of the unique chemical formulation of Suboxone (Buprenorphine-Naloxone) - www.suboxone.com will have info on this also.

    Migraines ?? Don't think Suboxone will help with this. Ask Poppy Queen - she has experience with migraines. I'm curious, why were you using the Norco/hydro in the first place ? To get high, to help with a medical problem, what was the reason ? [?]

    Anyhow, Good Luck and God Bless ... Tony [8D]]

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    I hear a lot about Suboxone on these boards, and it seems to be a great way to kick the physical addiction of opiates. However, most of the posts are from people who are still on Suboxone. The long term success rate of those using Suboxone to get off opiates (and staying off) is nearly zero. Even the manufacturer's reps for Suboxone will disclose this. So, if you are using Suboxone to get off opiates, great... but make sure you are doing some other kind of counseling whether it is one on one, NA, or Outpatient, otherwise there is a 99.9% chance that you will relapse within a year or 2 off Suboxone. The mental addiction has mysterious ways off creeping back into your life if you are not vigilant. Seek help for the metal side of the addiction also, otherwise it may end up being a waste of your time. Good luck, God bless. Chrish.

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    quote:Originally posted by chrish1

    I hear a lot about Suboxone on these boards, and it seems to be a great way to kick the physical addiction of opiates. However, most of the posts are from people who are still on Suboxone. The long term success rate of those using Suboxone to get off opiates (and staying off) is nearly zero. Even the manufacturer's reps for Suboxone will disclose this. So, if you are using Suboxone to get off opiates, great... but make sure you are doing some other kind of counseling whether it is one on one, NA, or Outpatient, otherwise there is a 99.9% chance that you will relapse within a year or 2 off Suboxone. The mental addiction has mysterious ways off creeping back into your life if you are not vigilant. Seek help for the metal side of the addiction also, otherwise it may end up being a waste of your time. Good luck, God bless. Chrish.
    Hello Paul- or would you prefer chrish1 [?]

    Congats on your 27 days clean The first 30 days is the easiest - Oooops, I mean the toughest. [^] I have read numerous postings (mostly on the Painkiller and Addictions Forum, but in other Topics as well). You certainly move around and appear to have an abundant energy source and a wealth of advice for everyone.

    With 27 days clean, where did you get all this knowledge [?] Have you jumped from Step 1, 2, or 3, and gone directly to Step 12 [?] , skipping the other 9 Steps [?] What does your sponsor think about this [?] Do you have a sponsor [?]

    Please don't be angry , but you must first take care of yourself before you can help others. I have seen too many well intended brother and sisters burn out on The Program because they couldn't fix others. Please take care of yourself.

    Hope to hear from you soon... Tony [8D]

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