Suboxone

**tinkers** · 06-19-2006, 08:10 AM

Hi all

I just want to say that i have been on pain killers for many years you name it i have taken it me and my wife both and we tryed many many times to stop and we tryed every thing out there and now thank god we are free of the pain killers. Thanks to suboxone we both take it and it is great we had very little side effects with it yes we are subing one for the other but i would rather this than the others alot of people knock them but they are truely a wonder drug so if you are an addict and have tried it all like i have try this i would be more than glad to chat with you about it but ill tell you now you wont be sorry.

**abey042000** · 06-19-2006, 08:20 AM

Tinkers~
Did you and your wife also have chronic pain? I was just curious as to how the sub would help my chronic back pain or not.

**tinkers** · 06-21-2006, 01:18 PM

ABEY

SORRY I DIDENT GET BACK TO YOU SOONER BUT YES WE DID HAVE CHRONIC PAIN HERS FROM A CAR ACCEDENT AND MINE FROM BULGED DISCS AND SOME OTHER THINGS BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT WHEN YOU ARE ADDICTED TO PAIN KILLERS YOU PAIN SEEMS TO GET WORSE BUT IT TRULY DOESENT IT IS ALL IN YOUR MIND AND NOW I CAN MANAGE MY PAIN WITH OTC PAIN MEDS AND I HARDLY USE THOSE FOR YEARS IVE HAD BACK PROBLEM AND I NEVER TOOK ANYTHING INTILL I WAS INTROED TO VICS AND THATS ALL SHE WROTE EVERY TIME I WENT BACK TO THE DOCTORS MY PAIN WAS WORSE AND WORSE I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN BUT THE SUB NOT ONLY DID AWAY WITH PAIN IT ALSO TOOK AWAY ANY THOUGHT OF IT ALSO BUT I WAS TOLD THAT IF YOU HAVE TRUE PAIN THEN IT MIGHT NOT WORK FOR YOU BUT I THINK ALOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE ADDICTS DONT HAVE REAL PAIN ANYWAY MAYBE JUST THE PAIN OF W/D THEY JUST LIKE THE SUPER HUMAN ABILITY YOU GET FROM THESE PILLS I KNOW I USED THEM FOR ABOUT 7 OR 8 YRS. ANYWAY I HOPE THIS HELP AND I WILL TRY TO CHECK IN MORE OFTEN

**michwald** · 06-30-2006, 04:27 PM

quote:Originally posted by abey042000

Tinkers~
Did you and your wife also have chronic pain? I was just curious as to how the sub would help my chronic back pain or not.

Hi. I am currently taking Suboxone for pain assiciated with migraine and fibromyalgia. My script is for 1 (8mg) tab every 4 hours. I have not found it very useful for pain relief. Since I am taking it, but less than prescribed, the other painkiller (hydrocodone) I take does not work at all. Is this a normal reaction when the Suboxone is in your system? When will this wear off so my regualr pain killer will start working again? I'll go off of the Suboxone and risk withdrawl symptoms if I can get some pain relief again! Anybody? Please help.

**abey042000** · 06-30-2006, 10:29 PM

Mich~
I have also heard that methadone is a really strong pain killer as well as helping to detox. Maybe u should look into that option, and switch from the sub. Their is a sub forum here also, maybe they could better offer help to u.

or even the meth forum.

**sunset2** · 07-05-2006, 11:06 AM

quote:Originally posted by anrob11

Hello out there. I'm a newcomer - been sitting in the background and not saying much[8)]I am very grateful to those of you who have been sharing. I need some HELP / ADVICE.

I am currently taking MS Contin (120 mg/day) & MSIR (15 mg tabs as needed for "breakthrough pain"). This has been going on now for 27 months and so have a host of side effects, progressively. Of course, each of these side effects have required their own prescription med and each of these meds have had their own side effects - so on and so on and so on.[8]

So, in addition to the Morphine, it is necessary for me to take other drugs such as Neurontin, Skelaxin, Methylprednisolone, Cymbalta, Klonopin, Wellbutrin XL, Aricept 10, Prosom, Triamterene/HCTZ, Lipitor, Seroquel, and Cyanocobalamin Injections (Vitamin B-12).

My shrink has been trying to get me to go on Suboxone and I 'm not sure what to do. A medical condition I have requires I take a very strong painkiller.

Can anyone out there share their experiences / opinion with Suboxone in general and, as a strong painkiller for both muscoskeletal and neurological chronic pain to replace the morphine and, hopefully, most of the other drugs - their side effects are literally beginning to kill me.

Thanks in advance

To Be A Rock And Not To Roll

**sunset2** · 07-05-2006, 11:15 AM

i have been on suboxone for 8 weeks. started with 16mg and am now on 10mg/day. next week i'll start a maintenance on 8mg/day. i am feeling so much better. that's not to say that there haven't been moments, hours, days that are rough, but i get them some how. i don't want to go back to where i was. this will be by 3rd attempt coming off opiates in the past 2 years.

suboxone doesn't work very well with chronic pain.

what i have gotten information on is buprenex injections. suboxone is not intended to be used for pain management, buprenex is. it is the alternative to opiates.

good luck all!

sunset2

**Itwasntme** · 07-07-2006, 07:58 PM

quote:Originally posted by mpvt

When you decide to get off suboxone you start with a very slow detox.The slower the better,if it's done right you should have no problems.Buprenorphene(suboxone,subutex) has an extremely long half life.That's you only need to take it once a day or even once every 2 days.When you detox off of it you have to cut back in small amounts so that your serum level has time to come down and your body adjusts.If you try and jump off quick I garuntee you that the withdrawls will be intense and long lasting.So remember take it slooooooow.Good luck.....Dave

John M Schack

**Itwasntme** · 07-07-2006, 08:10 PM

quote:Originally posted by mpvt

When you decide to get off suboxone you start with a very slow detox.The slower the better,if it's done right you should have no problems.Buprenorphene(suboxone,subutex) has an extremely long half life.That's you only need to take it once a day or even once every 2 days.When you detox off of it you have to cut back in small amounts so that your serum level has time to come down and your body adjusts.If you try and jump off quick I garuntee you that the withdrawls will be intense and long lasting.So remember take it slooooooow.Good luck.....Dave

I'm rather new to this forum but I have to disagree with you mvpt about slowly detoxing off suboxone.Since Suboxone binds itself to the opiod recepters in the brain,The longer period of time that your on this drug,the longer and more painful the detox will be.In my experience as drug addict for 15 years and sponsor for individuals attempting to detox from Suboxone,21 to 30 days is the maximum amout of time one should be on this drug.If Suboxone is being used for maintenance then I agree that its better to slowly wean down to an acceptable dose.Also one should not use Suboxone if there attempting to get off relatively mild pain meds as Vicodin or codiene.Suboxone should only be used for very serious and possibly life threatening drug addictions.To replace a mild narcotic like Vicodin with a strong narcotic and more addictive I might add is just silly.

John M Schack

**michwald** · 07-10-2006, 09:48 AM

quote:Originally posted by abey042000

Mich~
I have also heard that methadone is a really strong pain killer as well as helping to detox. Maybe u should look into that option, and switch from the sub. Their is a sub forum here also, maybe they could better offer help to u.

or even the meth forum.

Well, it's been about 10 days off of Suboxone and I still can not get relief from hydrocodone. How long will this be in my body? I'm really regretting my decision to take the sub. The worst part is that I was only taking it for pain relief, not for addiction. If a doctor advises you to take this for anything other than addiction, don't! You can't have a bowel movement to save your life, although 1 tbs. mineral oil every night helps A LOT. It makes you feel strange, and you suffer withdrawl symptoms.

I also had some withdrawls after stopping and went to the ER from dehydration and excrutiating leg cramps. When you quit, make sure you drink fluids constantly and ask your dr. first so you can plan to come to his/her office if neccessary. My worst symptoms, unfortunately, started on a Sunday afternoon.

Well, good luck to everyone. I'm off of the sub forever and will hopefully find some pain relief soon, before it becomes too much to take.

**mpvt** · 07-10-2006, 09:51 PM

You're problem is probably from building a tolerance when you were taking the buprenorphene.Hydrocodone is not very strong when compared to buprenorphene......Dave

**lcberry** · 12-31-2006, 05:05 PM

quote:Originally posted by laup

I've been detoxing on suboxone for almost two months now. Due to my habit I've taken some Norco from time to time while on the Suboxone. Does anyone know if this will have any affect once I stop the Suboxone. I'm down to a half tablet of Suboxone I hope to be off it soon but wonder what will happen when I stop since I've take Norco from time to time. Any help would be appreciated.

**lcberry** · 12-31-2006, 05:29 PM

quote:Originally posted by laup

I've been detoxing on suboxone for almost two months now. Due to my habit I've taken some Norco from time to time while on the Suboxone. Does anyone know if this will have any affect once I stop the Suboxone. I'm down to a half tablet of Suboxone I hope to be off it soon but wonder what will happen when I stop since I've take Norco from time to time. Any help would be appreciated.

Hi Laup,
Can you tell me if you experienced any side effects when taking suboxone and norco together. If not, can you tell me how much of each you were taking when taken together. I thought that combining suboxone with norco would cause some serious withdraws. The reason for the questions is that my doctor is considering adding norco to my pain management regimen which right now is suboxone and cymbalta. I want to get a heads up on what dosages of both the suboxone and norco will work the best in order to avoid any seriuos side effects like withdraws. He is also considering eliminating the suboxone completely from my regimen and replacing it with norco alone. I'm curious of the time frame required or recommended to be off the suboxone before taking the norco in order to avoid any complications that may ocurr by taking both of them at the same time. I'd call my doctor regarding these questions however, he is out of the country and my next appointment is not until Jan.22. I've been searching online for information regarding suboxone and narcotics but have had no luck in finding any detailed info such as this. I found all kinds of info on suboxone and norco but nothing on guidelines of taking the two together or the necessary time one should be off suboxone before taking a narcotic.

Laup or anyone that may have feedback on this, I would greatly appreciate all the help I can get. I just want to know what my options are so that I can be prepared enough to have input on any changes that are made to my pain management regimen.

Truly,
Lauren

**lcberry** · 12-31-2006, 08:23 PM

quote:Originally posted by michwald

quote:Originally posted by abey042000

Mich~
I have also heard that methadone is a really strong pain killer as well as helping to detox. Maybe u should look into that option, and switch from the sub. Their is a sub forum here also, maybe they could better offer help to u.

or even the meth forum.

Well, it's been about 10 days off of Suboxone and I still can not get relief from hydrocodone. How long will this be in my body? I'm really regretting my decision to take the sub. The worst part is that I was only taking it for pain relief, not for addiction. If a doctor advises you to take this for anything other than addiction, don't! You can't have a bowel movement to save your life, although 1 tbs. mineral oil every night helps A LOT. It makes you feel strange, and you suffer withdrawl symptoms.

I also had some withdrawls after stopping and went to the ER from dehydration and excrutiating leg cramps. When you quit, make sure you drink fluids constantly and ask your dr. first so you can plan to come to his/her office if neccessary. My worst symptoms, unfortunately, started on a Sunday afternoon.

Well, good luck to everyone. I'm off of the sub forever and will hopefully find some pain relief soon, before it becomes too much to take.

Hi Mich,
Can you update me on your hydrocodone issue. Did you ever get to the point where you could feel the effects of the hydrocodone once again? If so, how long did it end up taking to get to this point after going off the suboxone? Also, did you experience any problems when you took the suboxone and hydrocodone together? If you didn't, can you tell me the dosages of each that you were taking while on both.
Thanks,
Lauren

**lcberry** · 12-31-2006, 08:55 PM

Hello to all!
After my last post I just realized that the answers I'm looking for can be summed up to this: Can suboxone and Hydrocodone be taken together? Is so, can someone who is familar with taking the two drugs together give me some guidelines. If they should not be taken together, what is a good approach to take in order to switch from suboxone to hydrocodone? I have been under pain management for several years but decided back in September to try and function without the pain meds. This is why I was put on suboxone. I just can't do it anymore. The suboxone is barely touching the pain despite the 32mg/day. I am considering going back to the pain clinic. I have some norco in my medicine cabinet but am hesitant on taking it because I don't know how it will work with the suboxone. I know that I cannot just abruptly stop the suboxone so I need to know what my options are. I would call my doctor but he is out of the country until Jan.22.

Much needed assistance so any suggestions/feedback/knowledge would be so greatly appreciated.

Lauren

**mpvt** · 01-01-2007, 01:47 PM

The suboxone will take over and the hydrocodone will do virtually nothing.You're better off taking one or the other.Buprenorphene binds to the opiate receptor very well and not even methadone can displace it.....Dave

**lcberry** · 01-03-2007, 08:40 PM

quote:Originally posted by mpvt

The suboxone will take over and the hydrocodone will do virtually nothing.You're better off taking one or the other.Buprenorphene binds to the opiate receptor very well and not even methadone can displace it.....Dave

Thanks for the response Dave. How should I go about switching from suboxone to the hydro? Should I just stop the suboxone right a way and start on the hydro? If you could step me through this transition with some detail, I would greatly appreciate it.

Lauren

**mpvt** · 01-04-2007, 03:13 PM

If your going to switch to just the hydro then Yes just stop the suboxone and start taking the hydro.You may notice that the hydro won't work quite as well as before and it might not work at all for 4 or 5 days until all the buprenorphene is gone.Good luck.....Dave

**saleen24** · 01-17-2007, 02:55 PM

quote:Originally posted by jdm93436

Hello,

Thank you all for all of your info. I am a RN and have been taking up to 20-25 Lortab10's a day, and any thing else I can get my hands on, nursing is one the the easiest professions for addicts to be in. I am really glad all of you are having success with Suboxone, I start Treatment on Mon. I was having a lot of anxiety until I came across this forum. I am too scared to use my ins. coverage to pay for my treatment, so it all comes out of my pocket, does anyone have a cost for the medication? I know my first office visit will be around $300.00, and about $125.00 there after. I will gladly pay 10 times that to get off all of this, I know you all know this is like a second full time job, worrying about if you are going to run out and what will happen if you do.
Thanks again for all of the great info, and good luck to all of you!
JDM

**saleen24** · 01-17-2007, 03:07 PM

i have been on and off suboxone for a while so i know alot about it first of all anyone who does'nt have insurance is gonna be paying seven dollars a pill for 8 mg's im not sure about the 2mg's and the thing about suboxone is that its nothing like oxy or any other kind of normal opioid its never really worked like a piankiller to me and its never got me high,i think its basic purpose is to decrease the pain of the withdrawal symptoms of whatever the opioid your addicted to and it takes away the craving. also in suboxone is naloxone which is an opioid blocker which is supposed to last 12-24 hours so i would'nt take suboxone unless you really wanna clean up.as far as i'm concerned suboxone is like gold.if you are really sick from oxycontin or anything like that then you really wanna get your hands on it.good luck everyone

**WOrm28** · 01-18-2007, 05:20 AM

quote:Originally posted by PoppyQueen

Hi Tony,
yOU REALLY THINK YOU GOT OFF THAT EASY.....???
Ain't it great? So what are you doing for pain? How much Sub are you taking daily? I've never taken Morphine but I know it's the cadillac of pain killers. Beating an addiction to that through Suboxone says alot.

This forum is my sanctuary. No one except my husband knows of my drug addiction and I only told him 2 months ago. That was really difficult, but I presented it to him in a way of a problem and a solution. I had already decided upon the Suboxone at that time. So I finished up all my scripts and was down to my last pill when I started treatment.

So this is the place where I can relate to everyone, listen to their stories, and we can therefore help each other.

Have a great opiate-free day!

PQ
Last painkiller used: 9/25/05
Suboxone started 9/26/05

Thank you

**ecoffey21** · 01-21-2007, 07:55 PM

Hi guys! im new t this site. I recently started taking suboxone two days ago with cymbalta. I was addicted to norco 21 a day. i have three girls and i was sick of failing as a parent. i took norco for chronic back oain and fell in love with the pill. my first day of sub was fine. no problems at all. today i have been extremely tired. as soon as i sit down i start falling asleep. i have 0 energy or motivation. do you guys think i should just take the sub for now, then the cymbalta later? did any of you all feel these symptoms if so, what can i do?

ericka coffey

**Baby Steps** · 01-21-2007, 08:13 PM

Hey E, Welcome to the board! I don't have any experiance with sub but I would truly suggest you go over to the Pankillers Addiction forum. There are quite a few awesome people over there who can truly help you! Please go over there and just copy what you have written here and post over there and I GTD you will feel very welcome and get such good advice and support.

Hope I see you over there!

Baby Steps

**sublingual** · 01-25-2007, 09:46 PM

quote:Originally posted by anrob11

quote:Originally posted by dobo

Sorry, no help from me but I'm also curious about the analgesic qualities of suboxone.

Hi dobo [^],
All of the research and everything I've read from other users of Soboxone (incidentally, there is a wealth of info on the "Painkiller & other Addictions Forum" from present and past users of Suboxone) does not really address the subject that both you and I are seeking an answer.

However, My psychiatrist, who is also a specialist in addiction & pain management, has assured me that Suboxone is much stronger than morphine or any of the the other opiates / painkillers as an analgesic. Also, I get the feeling that there just isn't that much data out there on the subject in general and that it's analgesic effects are more "condition specific" than anything else (just my opinion). Most of what I've read is geared toward it's use as a detox agent - not an analgesic. [:0]

To update you on my situation I took the plunge 3 days ago. In my case, the detox off the morphine was hell - I went 51 hours before it got so bad that I gave in and took my first dose of Suboxone (one 8mg -- 2mg tab - didn't do much) followed by my second dose a half hour later. Let me tell you that the second dose did the trick & took away my severe withdrawal symptoms within 20 minutes. [^]

So far, it doesn't seem to be helping as much as the morphine. However, I have been told that it will take 2 weeks for the analgesic effects to fully kick in and that a dose adjustment upward may be needed [?] I'll keep you posted if you like.Good Luck and God Bless... Tony [8D]

To Be A Rock And Not To Roll

sub is strong in the sence it fills the opiod receptors in the cerebrial cortex (i think thtas where) but taking 2-3 pqain pills is a wate. a non opiod like tramadol may help. But never take sub on something else. If you are tired of being loopy alll day try it, its better than jonesing and the 1'2 life os forever iwas on 10 bags of h a day and 2 pills aregteat but i want off, i think they cloud my brain

I ka hunt seammen 2 think so good on these here orange 8 milligram suboxone dohickies

**sublingual** · 01-25-2007, 09:50 PM

sorry tired and cant spell, my son is hollering[xx(]

I ka hunt seammen 2 think so good on these here orange 8 milligram suboxone dohickies

**4love530** · 01-27-2007, 01:02 PM

My bf missed his appointment and now is out of Suboxone and the Dr. wont call us back! Its very annoying! This is the 1st time that he missed an appointment. What should I do? Does anyone know the best thing to keep his symptoms at bay so he will not suffer or worse......go back to using.
He has been on Suboxone since 11/10/06 and he is doing really well.
Please help ASAP!!
Any information would help!

Thank you [:X]

**tamara02** · 01-28-2007, 12:12 AM

Hi,4love,How long has he been with out it,he should be ok for abt. 3 days or so,maybe he can get in to see the doc soon and he'll be alright ,,how long has he been taking it and how many mgs per day??Tamm

**4love530** · 01-28-2007, 12:42 PM

quote:Originally posted by tamara02

Hi,4love,How long has he been with out it,he should be ok for abt. 3 days or so,maybe he can get in to see the doc soon and he'll be alright ,,how long has he been taking it and how many mgs per day??Tamm

Hi Tamm,
He has been off it since friday. The Dr. finally sent me a text message but it was very laxed, which is making me more upset!
He takes 24mgs per day and he has been on it since 11/10/06.
Thanks!
Barbara

**tamara02** · 01-28-2007, 02:36 PM

Hi 4love,hopefully his doc will see him mon or tues.If for somreason he dosent want to see him ,is it possible for him to find another doc real quik,Has he done something for the doc to be acting like this ? If he goes cold turkey it will be rough for him,he will go intow/ds,going to need some comfort meds and he''ll feel like he has a real bad flu,but he should get over the worst part of it in abt 6 days or so ,everyone is different,good luck let me know if he will end up quitting cold turkey,There are some things he can take that may help with the w/d's.Tamm

**melissa22** · 02-10-2007, 05:31 PM

hi, my name is melissa and i am worried for my fiances life. i recently found him almost dead due to an excess of heroin and oxys. he admitted to me that he has been a "user" for almost 3 years now. i read about this drug SUBOXEN and i wanted to know if there was any way to get a prescription for it. i begged him to go for help but he wont go. he promised me if i got him these pills he would stop. im worried im going to lose the love of my life. if anyone can help me out, you can email me privately at missdtchess22@aim.com

thank you so much

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