Suboxone

[ginafl2]

I've been on Sub for about six weeks. I'm down to .5mg every day. Does anyone have advice on droppign from here. I have had absolutely no problems getting down to this point. The only withdrawls I have felt are a tiny bit of chills, RLS, and angry mood. Nothing compared to hydro's. I do fear I won't be able to quit though. I want to start having children so badly, but can't until I am off the sub. Any advice would really help me right now.

[chrish1]

Poppy - great job doing your homework on the Suboxone (and the withdrawls). I encourage everybody to read her last couple posts. Keep headinging the right direction!

Everybody - Have a great Turkey day!

Chrish

[sober]

I also spent a fortune for years on abusing oxys,snorting and eating them, same quantity as you do, FOR YEARS, spent also fortunes on trying UNSUCCESSFULLY get off them many times in different places/programs until SUBOXONE !!!It is the miracle help for detoxing. Period. I have now been on it now for 17 months, function ABSOLUTELY NORMAL,with 8mg a day. (Have it to ease the pain in my back- otherwise would be off them completely.I function with this, and by the way, not increasing the dose but maintaining one dose for all these months- it's healthier, cheaper and perfectly normal to maintain my freedom from oxys, and keeping my life together with them). With suboxone, first of all, will take the pain away, like a miracle, believe me, of the first inital days of quitting ozys.(that is when i usually stopped in the beginning) Then you temper off to the quantity little by little with a help of the doctor that is suboxone trained doctor. All you need is to go to the www.suboxone.com website, find a doc in your area, make an appointment, and ozydays are over. Freedom !!It really works.
Now all I want to do is to help others to restart their lives!!!This is your only way out if you are ready.
quote]Originally posted by becky2

quote:Originally posted by 67muscle

I have been contemplating getting on a Suboxone regimen to help me quell my addition to Oxycontin. Believe it or not I take 10-12 80mg. Oxycontin per day and my addiction is way out of control. I have spent a fortune on this drug and feel more and more guilty every day that I am robbing my wife and children to fuel my needless addiction. I wanted to know if it is possible to function somewhat normally when transitioning from Oxycontin to Suboxone. I can not break away from my business for 30 days in order to seek a regular rehab. treatment, and I need to be able to function at at least 75%. I weigh roughly 250lbs. and have already described my intake of Oxycontin so what dosage is usually adequate to help keep me out of severe withdrawl? If anyone is currently taking Suboxone here that is actually functioning normal? Also, does the Suboxone cause any symptoms of depression?

Hi there 67muscle :O)....i only have a quick minute to write here,but i just wanted to let you know that w/ suboxone you will be able to function 100% normal,even coming from where you are w/ that many oxy's.I was taking a large amount of painkillers and so scsared to start the sub.....boy,was i suprised!it resally is a miracle drug.i would be hasppy to talk if you wanted to give me a buzz,it is really hard for me to type too long w/ a 2 and 6n yr old at my feet :O)!heres my # 253-564-9431. i would love to share my experience w/ you and answer any questions that i can. have been on the sub (well,w/ a few relapses )) for about 8 months now.anyhow,like i said,please feel free to call and i wish everyone the best of luck!!!! oh,by the way, i think you casn pull up a persons posts,you may want to read mine about my experience getting on the suboxone....sorry for my horrible typing,2 kids on me right now,lol!!!!!!rebecca
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[PoppyQueen]

Just wanted to give an update on my Suboxonne use. I've been tapering and I dropped from 6mg. to 4mg. last week. I spent a few days at 5mg. to make the drop easier. Later this week I'm going to 3mg. and then to 2mg. I still plan on being off sometime in January.

I've considered staying on it for 6 months or more, but am afraid I will get in too deeply. I've been having blood tests and my liver enzymes are increasing and I think it's from the Bupe, or probably the Naloxone. So to protect my liver, I got to get off this stuff.

I see my doc. on Tuesday and will ask for Subutex which does not contain the Naloxone. I don't need the Naloxone because I don't shoot drugs. I will be tapering in the smallest increments possible. It's hard to break up those little pills!

Please post if you are tapering down! And have a great day.

Poppy

[carols49]

How long do you have to be off the opiates before you can start the suboxone?

[BSGjunkie]

Carols,

You have to be completely into WD. Its different for every opiates as they all have different half lifes. I've heard of some people starting to take them as soon as 12 hours after their last dose of a painkiller. I'd recommend at least 24, maybe even 36 hours. If you're not completely into WD, sub will induce it upon you which is horrible. Drugs such as Heroin or Methadone stay in your system a lot longer, therefore you have to wait a matter of days.

The further you're into WD, the better you'll find your results to be.

Junkie

[hawaiiansnake]

Aloha Poppyqueen;
How goes the taper with suboxone
I am doing something very similar...am at 6mg for the next 3 days
was planning on going down by 2mgs every 4 days.
Thought your idea about 1mg drops intriguing...how is it working??

[hawaiiansnake]

Sorry, forgot to intro myself

Was on long-term narcs for pain management for almost 8 years
The last stopped on 10/17/05...100mcg Fentanyl patch PLUS 80mg Oxycontin
Started Bupanoraphen (Subatex) 10/18/05 until I titrated to 16mg daily.
Stayed at that level for just under one month and then began to taper down.
Suboxone doc URGED me to get off the Cymbalta; which I did...not sure it was best decision...any experience with this situation would be appreciated

Previous post explains where I am at as of now.

By the way---am a Hawaii state registered medical marijuana patient for severe pain (degenerative spinal arthritis in the T-5 thru T-10 with a boney spur protrusion into the spinal column) and accompanying spasms. Have been OFF the marijuana since starting the Subotex. Am VERY eager to get back to it

Does anyone have any experience with a coupling of pot and Suboxone ? ? ? The only time I tried a "puff" it seemed to me that there was a "withdrawal penalty" (naloxone would cause such????) about an hour later...so I have stayed away from the green

[runway]

Hi I am new this site. Actually, I was on it some time ago. I do know that suboxone is strong, but does not do well as a pain agent. I thought it might work for pain so I told a friend who has cancer pain to ask his doctor about it. His doctor said it would not help his pain nearly as well as OC's or morphine. I have been on suboxone for almost three years. I have chronic knee pain and RLS and it does not help with the pain very much. I also know that when suboxone is given for pain it is usually started at .25 or .5mg A opiate addict is on 2-32mg.
Peace and good luck, Joss

[runway]

Darn, I posted my last post in the wrong spot. I have been on suboxone as I said for three years. When I got on it I was told that it was not something I would have to ween off or have withdrawal with. I started on 32mg and went down to 2mg during the first month. I lost the written precription my detox gave me for a refill and I had to wait to get into a doctor near my home so I had to take my last pills sparingly. That month was weird because I came down so quick and hardly felt a thing. When I got back to a doctor they brought me back up to a maintance dose of 16mg. I have tried going down since then and always seem to take the same amout. I went back to the detox two years after they put me on it to see if they would take me off it. They would not let me in for suboxone. When I went into detox three years ago I was desperate to the point I would have done anything to stay sober. I had never heard of suboxone until it was in my mouth. I did not want to take something I would become dependent on. Now years later, I am hooked on sub. Like I said I have tried stopping and can not make it through. With heroin, I was so desperate for help. I do not feel that desperation anymore and therefore it makes this hard. Life is so much better now than it was. My mind spirituality is suffering from suboxone . I need to move in January to a different state. Right now I have state health insurance that pays for my medicine. I still feel asthough I rely and need this medicine too much. It is too bad it can not be dispensed as other meds are for other diseases. Addiction is a chronic disease with a horrible stigma attached. Who has tips on weening off when everytime one tries they still take their full dose for the day. Oh yeah, I go to meetings every night and I have for three years. [?]

[december]

runaway,
I feel so sorry for you. Whoever put you on Suboxone should have told
you that this is just to help you get through the withdraw of the pain medicine you were on. They should have started you at only 2mg 4 times a day and winged you down to 2mg once a day over only a 5 to 6 week peroid. then they should of put you on a one a day pill of Naltrexone. This is the long term medication you need to be on. It is a non-addicting anti-craving medication. As for a I know this is the only way to asure you won't relape back to Suboxone or your other pain pills. If done in this manner, you won't feel any change or withdraws going on the Naltrexone. Also, Suboxone makes many people tried and sleep a lot. It did for me. Once on the Naltrexone all my energy came back. the first couple of weeks I Had more energy than I knew that to go with.
Good Luck,
December

[PoppyQueen]

Hi Hawaiian Snake! My doctor put me on Cymbalta. I really like it. I was switched from Effexor because that stuff was bad news for me. I tried a little pot early on in my Sub. dosing. I may have been taking 12mg. at the time. I felt almost like I was tripping. It wasn't a good idea for me. At lower Sub. doses it may be OK. I can't say. But I've heard of marijuana being good for pain.

Runway, let me direct you to the www.heroin-detox.com site. Under Buprenorphine/Suboxone pages, look for "Ending a 7 year love/hate affair with Bupe" thread. There are several multi-year Sub. users that post. You may be inspired to give a harder try to taper down and knowledgable people there can help you.

As for me I'm on my way to 2mg. I am tapering in 1/2 to 1mg. increments. Slow and steady wins the race.

Good luck to all!

Poppy

[december]

poppyqueen,
you are doing it the right way. Once you are off of Suboxone, are you going on Naltrexone. Naltrexone was a life saver for me after I stopped the Suboxone. You will always have the craving after you stop using drugs, but Naltrexone will stop the cravings. It is not addicting, you can start and stop without any type of withdraws. You don't even know you are on it, expect I now have energy where Suboxone always made me tried. Let me know how you are doing.
Good Luck
December

[chrish1]

Poppy, way to go - down to 2mg/day of Suboxone! You have come such a long way in the last month or so. I think you are on the right track. Are you taking any other mood altering drugs/narcotics?

Chrish

quote:Originally posted by PoppyQueen

Hi Hawaiian Snake! My doctor put me on Cymbalta. I really like it. I was switched from Effexor because that stuff was bad news for me. I tried a little pot early on in my Sub. dosing. I may have been taking 12mg. at the time. I felt almost like I was tripping. It wasn't a good idea for me. At lower Sub. doses it may be OK. I can't say. But I've heard of marijuana being good for pain.

Runway, let me direct you to the www.heroin-detox.com site. Under Buprenorphine/Suboxone pages, look for "Ending a 7 year love/hate affair with Bupe" thread. There are several multi-year Sub. users that post. You may be inspired to give a harder try to taper down and knowledgable people there can help you.

As for me I'm on my way to 2mg. I am tapering in 1/2 to 1mg. increments. Slow and steady wins the race.

Good luck to all!

Poppy

[67muscle]

Thank you to everyone here who have encouraged me to start the suboxone treatment. I was going to start treatment last week, but when I called the clinic that I was going to use, they said their doctor was out indefinately. A real setback!

I am having a really difficult time finding a doctor in my area who is willing to treat patients with Suboxone for an extended period of time. Most if not all the doctors in the Phoenix\Scottsdale, AZ area just want to have their Suboxone patients take the medication for 1 week to a month duration, and that's it. I know that I will need treatment for at least 6 months and cannot afford to complete immediate detox. All of the long term doctors have the 30 patient maximum and can not take on any new patients.
[u]
I was just curious to find out if anyone had a similar experience when they tried to locate a doctor for Suboxone treatment.</u>
Luckily, I had some Oxy on hand when I found out that the clinic could not see me, or I would have been in big trouble. However, I was planning to start my life off again without Oxy so delaying the treatment was a real huge letdown for me!

[december]

67muscle
Coming off oxy will only take you a month on Suboxone. Even in a clinic they will only put you on it for a short time. That's all it suppose to be is a short term withdraw medication. If done right, they will put you on Natrexone after that. If you wing down from one 8mg pill a day, you will notice you won't have any withdraws. Even a 2mg will stop your withdraws within an hour. I know it's hard to believe, but it a great medication. So if I were you I would go to the doctors and get the short term treatment instead on doing more oxy.
Good Luck
December

[PoppyQueen]

Hiya Chrish! I still take 2 Tramadol/3 Advil daily for this insane pain in my hips/lower back. But I don't take any mood altering drugs, aside from anti-depressants. I still have drinks once a week.

I'm no longer on Subuxone, but am on Subutex which doesn't have the Naloxone in it. Odd, it makes me a bit high when I dose in the morning. I kinda get a zippy feeling, and a bit euphoric and can see how this stuff is addicting in itself. Tomorrow, I try my 2mg. If I have trouble I will add 1mg. back later in the day. We'll see.

I'll keep on posting my taper here. I've been on Sub 3 months now. I really don't think about my old drug but am still in that "looking for something" mode.



Poppy

[chrish1]

Hey Poppy. Keep us posted on the Subutex. Thanks for the info. Good luck!

Chrish

quote:Originally posted by PoppyQueen

Hiya Chrish! I still take 2 Tramadol/3 Advil daily for this insane pain in my hips/lower back. But I don't take any mood altering drugs, aside from anti-depressants. I still have drinks once a week.

I'm no longer on Subuxone, but am on Subutex which doesn't have the Naloxone in it. Odd, it makes me a bit high when I dose in the morning. I kinda get a zippy feeling, and a bit euphoric and can see how this stuff is addicting in itself. Tomorrow, I try my 2mg. If I have trouble I will add 1mg. back later in the day. We'll see.

I'll keep on posting my taper here. I've been on Sub 3 months now. I really don't think about my old drug but am still in that "looking for something" mode.



Poppy

[BadSouth]

Hi. I am totally new to this. After 3 years of taking 8-15 Norco 10/325 a day, I started Suboxone this a.m. So far, so good, except its not doing much for the pain. I am a chronic pain patient and have been for almost 17 years. Most my adult life. So, here's my question, if I can't take Norco for the pain, what should I take??? Any ideas? I would really appreciate it - I can't get ahold of my dr.[:I]

[smileagain]

quote:Originally posted by dobo

Hi Ms PQ,

Do you have any thoughts on what the withdrawal from suboxone will be like? I know it's a wonderful thing for getting past pain med addiction but in the end, all things must draw to a close. Since suboxone treatment is largely just another narcotic and apparently much easier to control than the other narcotics, won't the eventual withdrawal from it also be rather traumatic?


Hey Tony, thanks for the info. Please advise on how you're doing and how you deal with the pain. My big reason for not simply weaning off oxycodone is I still hurt rather badly and OTC stuff doesn't really touch it. Large amounts of OTC stuff is also probably more injurious to the systems than small amounts of narcotics and we all know how some of the other pharmo pain med families have been doing. At least narcotics don't casue strokes and heart attacks.

[smileagain]

quote:Originally posted by dobo

Hi Ms PQ,

Do you have any thoughts on what the withdrawal from suboxone will be like? I know it's a wonderful thing for getting past pain med addiction but in the end, all things must draw to a close. Since suboxone treatment is largely just another narcotic and apparently much easier to control than the other narcotics, won't the eventual withdrawal from it also be rather traumatic?


Hey Tony, thanks for the info. Please advise on how you're doing and how you deal with the pain. My big reason for not simply weaning off oxycodone is I still hurt rather badly and OTC stuff doesn't really touch it. Large amounts of OTC stuff is also probably more injurious to the systems than small amounts of narcotics and we all know how some of the other pharmo pain med families have been doing. At least narcotics don't casue strokes and heart attacks.

This is to Tobo
I am a new member, and I don't want to sound fresh at all, but have you ever taken suboxen? Because if you haven't then you really don't know much about it, and if you have been on it you have to remember, everyone reacts differently to things, I was on suboxone and I thought it was wonderful!!! If I had been to a proper Rehab and if not for my own fault it would have worked 100%. But I can tell you this it was THE ONLY THING that did work for me and I was clean for almost a year. I am going to start up again tomorrow and I have to tell you I don't need to hear negative things, we all need support isn't that why we're hear for each other?

[smileagain]

quote:Originally posted by PoppyQueen

I'm on Sub. 3 weeks now. It doesn't do much for pain, let me tell you. I'm in alot of pain in the morning so I start my day with two 50mg. Tramadol. I also started on a new Anti-depressant called Cymbalta (I was on Effexor) and that is helping with some of my other pain.

But to answer your question, you still need a good pain releiver in addition to Suboxone, unfortunately. Your psychiatrist is wrong in that it is stronger analgesic than Morphine. Perhaps I'm not taking enough for pain relief? I take 12mgs. daily of Sub.

I do find that I'm sleeping ALOT. Other than that, I'm pretty happy, feeling fine, and going on with my life.

Anrob11, that's a seriously scarey amount of drugs you are taking! You are killing yourself. Good luck to you.

PQ

Hi,
I am new to this site and I see you're taking the suboxone. I wrote a post about it. If you could please read it and get back to me asap (as I will be starting the Suboxone tomorrow) I would really appreciate it. I'm not even sure where I posted it, I'm a bit confused yet with this site. I just replied to toby regarding the Suboxone issue and forgot to sign my name, which is smileagain. I am also on Cymbalta and was also previously on Effexor. Be very careful on Tramadol that causes alot of problems between my husband and myself. He takes that and hopefully he's going to stop. He turns into a different person on those things. I don't know if they do that to you but they make him the moodiest S.O.B. I have ever met. AND I MEAN NASTY. But it seems you and I have alot in common and I would love to chat. Please write back.
smileagain

[PoppyQueen]

Hi Smiles! I found your post--it was under Latest Drug Related News. If you click on your screen name, it'll take you to your profile and a listing of all your posts.

You had quoted something I had written some time ago. I had said I was taking 12mg. of Suboxone and that was back in October. I am now taking 3mg. daily and trying to get down to 2mg.

Start on your Subuxone. You'll be fine. I started at 16mg. for about a week and went down to 12mg. the following week. In retrospect, those were really high doses for me. I was falling asleep, even standing up. Mind you I love to sleep, but not while driving! I like the Cymbalta, too, and I've been on that four months now. The Sub is useful in keeping me away from my drug of choice, Vics. It's helping me break that habit of constantly dosing myself with painkillers. I am now on Subutex, rather than Suboxone. Subutex does not have the Naloxone in it.

A good site for info of sub users is www.heroin-detox.com under Buprenorphine/Suboxone. Lots of folk there who have taken the stuff for long periods of time. The site is mostly dedicated to opiate dependency.

Good luck to you!

Poppy

[smileagain]

Hi Poppy,
Thank You SOO MUCH for getting back to me. I was starting to feel so alone. I really do have to figure out have to figure out have to use this site and if any one else had replied to me i apologize I can't seem to figure out how to read them. Poppy I got yours by going under suboxone. I am going to click on my user name and see if that works. No one in my family knows about this so I am doing this all by myself. Thanks again.
Smiles

[chrish1]

Poppy - How are your doing? Haven't heard from you in a while....
Chrish

Chrish
Clean Date: 10/11/05

--ONE DAY AT A TIME--

[tired]

hello
im new and ive been following the forum for about a week, i wanna thank you guys for all the help this has brought me, i was a ten pill a day vicodin user and sometimes more, for about 2 years now with no end in sight, but i knew i was out of control and needed to get help, ive been laid off for the normal 26 weeks and i think that was when i went from my regular prescribed amount to totally going overboard, i have back problems from an auto accident thats got me insurance for life and i feel like doctors will prescribe me anything to get the insurance, im also a heart patient which made getting on suboxone hard to get do to all the meds i take for my heart, but finally i was able to get it and i feel like a new person, and that scares me alittle as well because thats how the vicodin made me feel at first also i was told last week to take 2 8 mg tabs a day and return 16 days later for a check up, the doctor said id need it for about a month, from the beginning ive only taken a half pill in the mourning which is when i feel the worst, and one half before bed and that seems to be just fine, i havent told my doctor that yet, but im afraid of a new addiction like i said, as of today im starting a new job so thats my start in the right direction, i was afraid to work due to the fear of withdrall symtoms i thought and knew i would have from time to time, but thats not a problem to me anymore as long as i take the half and half i seem to be fine, i took my drug test and it didnt even show up on that which suprised me but i told then anyways, lieing about any of this is something i dont want to start, i think peace of mind is important, but my question is how long do i stay on this and do i just slowly start tapering off, like maybe take a quarter of a pill soon, im wondering if anyone of you have been to the point of being off this now... thanks again

[Debvan]

quote:Originally posted by PoppyQueen

Hi Smiles! I found your post--it was under Latest Drug Related News. If you click on your screen name, it'll take you to your profile and a listing of all your posts.

You had quoted something I had written some time ago. I had said I was taking 12mg. of Suboxone and that was back in October. I am now taking 3mg. daily and trying to get down to 2mg.

Start on your Subuxone. You'll be fine. I started at 16mg. for about a week and went down to 12mg. the following week. In retrospect, those were really high doses for me. I was falling asleep, even standing up. Mind you I love to sleep, but not while driving! I like the Cymbalta, too, and I've been on that four months now. The Sub is useful in keeping me away from my drug of choice, Vics. It's helping me break that habit of constantly dosing myself with painkillers. I am now on Subutex, rather than Suboxone. Subutex does not have the Naloxone in it.

A good site for info of sub users is www.heroin-detox.com under Buprenorphine/Suboxone. Lots of folk there who have taken the stuff for long periods of time. The site is mostly dedicated to opiate dependency.

Good luck to you!

Poppy

[Debvan]

Just wanted to ask if you know what withdrawl would be like if I have only taken 10 (8mg) subs in 6 days. What can I expect and or how long. Please email me direct at debbievanhooser@yahoo.com I have a hard time finding my way back to these boards. Thanks

Debbie

quote:Originally posted by PoppyQueen

Hi Smiles! I found your post--it was under Latest Drug Related News. If you click on your screen name, it'll take you to your profile and a listing of all your posts.

You had quoted something I had written some time ago. I had said I was taking 12mg. of Suboxone and that was back in October. I am now taking 3mg. daily and trying to get down to 2mg.

Start on your Subuxone. You'll be fine. I started at 16mg. for about a week and went down to 12mg. the following week. In retrospect, those were really high doses for me. I was falling asleep, even standing up. Mind you I love to sleep, but not while driving! I like the Cymbalta, too, and I've been on that four months now. The Sub is useful in keeping me away from my drug of choice, Vics. It's helping me break that habit of constantly dosing myself with painkillers. I am now on Subutex, rather than Suboxone. Subutex does not have the Naloxone in it.

A good site for info of sub users is www.heroin-detox.com under Buprenorphine/Suboxone. Lots of folk there who have taken the stuff for long periods of time. The site is mostly dedicated to opiate dependency.

Good luck to you!

Poppy

[dm503]

Would Suboxone show up on one of those home drug tests? I need to know and QUICK! Thanks!

[gettinoff]

Poppyqueen,

I suffered from pain in my hips for 10 years. I recently made a decision to get off the narcotics and seek alternative ways to deal with my pain, neck, stenosis in the lower back and awful pain in my hips.

My doctor prescribed a new medication for arthritis called Mobic. It has really helped my hip pain.

I don't know your condition, but pain in the hip area, unless you've been injured, could very well be arthritic pain.

My previous doctor assumed my hip pain was from an injury that left me with stenosis and a ruptured cervical disk.

Try the Mobic.