[Robert_325]

You are doing exactly what I did to lower my dose this week. I stayed in bed late and held off late as I could on that morning dose. I only took mine this morning as I have two appointments to go on. Otherwise, I would do the same today. I can see this is harder when working. Guess I will have to carry one, or a piece of one with me when I work if I don't take it in the morning before I leave.

I was at a place where I was feeling really good and comfortable when I started. Then I held off to late late morning or so and took about a 1/4 of what I had been taking. I would try to not take anymore until bedtime, or just before. I had no problem with that until it hit on I think the third night. That was when I started waking up and doing some night sweating, tossing and turning, all that kind of stuff. Wasn't really sick, just getting pretty uncomfortable.

When I got up after that bad night all I did was take my regular morning dose I was taking before I started cutting back one time. Then I was back to my regular reduced amount. I have done that and I had no problems last night and feel fine today. Hope this helps.

[HicksvilleNY]

exactly how long have you guys been taking sub..

for me its been 18 days,,,

i wish i could find some information on just how addicted i am to these things after only 18 days

[Robert_325]

I have been on Subutex for 19 days if my memory is correct. I think it will be difficult to say exactly how dependent we are at a specific day as I know everyone reacts to all meds differently, at least to an extent. Common sense would say we are not as dependent as someone who has taken them for six months.

[HicksvilleNY]

i just read a few horror stories ,, but that is from people that have been taking them for a year or 2,, i'm still looking and still haven't taken yet

[Charliez]

I would not advise cutting back to quick Ralph. I like you would love to be off everything but to do that we have to give our body time to adjust. You being only on it for a couple of weeks would make me think I could cut faster but I don't really know. I have felt wd's with sub to some extent & after taking some in about 20mins. I began to feel better so if you cut to far & to fast I believe you could pull yourself out of it with the sub. I have been on the sub a little over 5 months. Today is what 4 days at 14 I have only cut 2mgs. in that time my sleep is better & the sweats at night are still there but better & overall I feel better so I am going to try to cut 2 more today . This sub. just like anything the longer you are on it the harder it will be to get off. I don't know if I can stand 2 more off right now but I am going to try. 4 days to a cut may be to soon ,we will see. I know it is faster than recommended but this is what I want to try everyone is different & what works for one may not for another. As long as I have the sub. handy I would not be to worried about going into withdraw because like I said just take a dose & in a short time we should be able to pull ourselves out of it & say no that is to fast. Because remember when you started the sub. you were in wd's & it pulled you out I would think cutting off the sub. & then taking it when you have to would work the same. Like I said it is only my opinion....

[Robert_325]

I have read and read and read on these forums. Seems like on every topic that I read I found different opinions for all different lengths of time using Sub. Pretty much just depended on where someone's head was at when they posted. I could not find a standard answer for any time frame. The only thing I saw that had any consistency to it was that it is easier to stop if we don't do it too long. That is just common sense anyway.

I think we just have to cut back like I did and like you are doing and see how it affect us personally. Can't see any other way to tell for sure for us as individuals. If you see anything that seems concrete at all please share. I think you are doing what will give you the answer for yourself. I know it will hit me on about the 3rd night. I haven't pushed it far enough at that point yet to tell how bad it would get. Probably need to do that.

Charlie is right. As soon as I took a dose when I was having problems it pulled me right out too. So the weekend would be a good time to see. You probably won't go into W/D though until Monday.

[Charliez]

I am not going to read anymore of the negative posts on here that will not help me so forget them do what you feel within your own body..We need positive thinking & positive reading not neg. I figure most of those are from people who are wimps to begin with. They have never felt real wd's. Like I did a couple of years ago going cold turkey it took me 2 months to get off the couch & that was with alot of different opioids not the sub. & the sub. is supposed to be not as strong as the others but it is like methadone with the half life . I believe it is only like methadone because of the hl not as strong a med.

[HicksvilleNY]

ok heres the deal with me,

i find myself wanting to take more,

I want to take more than whats prescribed and its scaring the hell out of me.

I get the sweats from just taking the prescribed amount so i wonder if its just a side effect of the medicine and not a sign of wd,


i wonder if i need some counsling , because im afraid to take it for fear of taking more than i should, so far i have had no luck at tapering

[HicksvilleNY]

i don't want to be the bad apple in our little group here, i'm just having trouble getting started on my homework i guess,

I have made up my mind though that today is the day i start, either way, I will be taking less than yesterday, how much remains to be seen.

I would love to have it at 14 and I think its doable so thats my goal for today

14 or less

[Charliez]

Ralph that is our problem we have this addictive personality & whatever substance we mess with we over do it...But now we have to set new rules for ourselves....now we are trying to get off the meds. This is a whole new ballgame for us the old rules do not apply. Force yourself to not take more, like you said do something get out & get into something that you like get your mind on something else. You will find this helps.

[Charliez]

14 (but that may be a little fast for you) is where I am & I feel it will be ok for you also this amount will keep you from wd. Ralph you are doing fine so quit beating on yourself ok? I just feel sometimes we have to get tough with ourselves & this is one of those times ! There is no wrong way really as long as we are trying. That's what I meant by we have to do as our body's tell us. Try going down by 2's like I am this is realistic & I think it will work without making ourselves sick-----You are fine & have a supply of meds. so quit worrying everything will be ok...--hang in there friend......

[HicksvilleNY]

ok its been somewhere around 16 hours since last dose,
i can definatly tell now that i'm missing it, not bad, just a little apprehensive and lazy feeling, its 11:15 now and I plan on being in bed in 12 hours or less so, I'm going to take 8mg now and that leaves me with 6mg to use as i see fit for the rest of the day.

don't know it this is the right thing to do.. will find out, i just need to do this and mantain my life/job as if nothing is wrong which makes it tougher


ever feel like we are breaking ground here? I have yet to find anywhere online a topic like this one, i think its great!

good luck on your day everyone, hang in there,, I' plan on it

[Robert_325]

Charlie's right in that no one who has been successful with Sub is going to make a negative post, may not even post at all as they are out getting their life back together.

I am blowing off reading all this negative garbage too. I have read enough. Ralph... just take that morning dose, a small one if you need to and get out of the house and away from the rest of the pills. Easier said than done, we are addicts, but we can do this. Just have to make our minds up.

This is not as strong as Methadone for pain relief. They don't prescribe it for that I don't think at all. I know my dr told me it would not take care of my pain that I have from illnesses and injuries. This is like Methadone with the half life.

We can do this. Just have to make our minds up and no matter what we don't give in. It's hard because we are addicts. But it is not impossible. Once we get a little momentum going it will get easier and easier. Like a diet, or quitting smoking. Just need to get a few good days back to back and it will get easier. Blow off the wimps like Charlie said. We will do this and be successful.

Thanks Charlie ... that was a good post. I can be a wimp at times too when it comes to not being my "pleasure seeker" self. Just have to be hard headed and not give in.

[HicksvilleNY]

I agree with not reading the other stuff,,, its enough to make you crazy

[Charliez]

We are on the right track and I believe a big part of it is in our heads. I am glad we have this forum to use as support. I also don't think it is an accident we found each other here. I also find myself thinking about you guys during the day that's why I got back on here now in the middle of the day to see what you have posted . We will be successful I feel I have no choice really & I have pretty much used up my old way of thinking. Like Robert said my old pleasure seeking self is hard to deal with. I have only taken the 8mg. so far today & I will take the other 4mg. this evening & I am going to try & stay right there. Take care .......

[HicksvilleNY]

I'm at 10 right now just took 2, I have 6 left for later if i need it and i am pretty sure i will. That would put me at 16 if i take it all, if i'm still at 16 monday i'm ok with it, but 14 would be better


been just enjoying the nice weather here, i have a fish pond in the back yard and I'm cleaning that out and doing some lazy yard work....time for some lunch and perhaps some nappage, i like saturdays

we wil get there,,, i feel right now like i'm on the right track again

good to hear from you

[Robert_325]

Originally Posted by HicksvilleNY

I'm at 10 right now just took 2 ....

......... i have a fish pond in the back yard and I'm cleaning that out and doing some lazy yard work...., i like saturdays

we wil get there,,, i feel right now like i'm on the right track again

good to hear from you

I know where I would be right now ... right on that pond fishing! What kind of fish???

I am at 3mg now. I am about to leave the house for a while so I don't think about this mess. That will leave me plenty for tonight. Will be back on later. You are on the right track now Ralph ... we all are.

Nothing wrong with getting a little uptight occasionally. If it was easy we all would have blown it off by now and not need to be on here. Hang in there.

[HicksvilleNY]

LOL!! its a gold fish pond,,,, so you like to fish???I used to go to the 1000 islands every weekend when i had a cottage on an island up there,when I lived in upstse NY now i live on Long Island NY and don't go fishing much anymore its all salt water down here, BUT i do still have a boat

[Charliez]

Beautiful boat! You done a great job on it & from looking at the boat I say you will do the same with the car. What was that piece of paper you had in one of the photo's? Said passenger at the top. I wish I had the patience for doing restore work & the time. The wood on that boat looks great. Well it all looks good. What kind of engine is in it I know its a inboard . I have an old 67 sports craft 18ft. fiberglass with 120 h.p. i/o its in the garage right now out of the weather my grandfather bought it new & kept it mostly at Lake Erie on middle bass island I have done some work on it & used it a lot but its been awhile. Good ski boat. It sit up there for like 10yrs. under cover but neglected. My oldest son wants me get it out this summer so I may. But it looks like to me you are very talented & do great work. I am at 14 m.g. today and hanging tuff. Take care!

[HicksvilleNY]

Originally Posted by Charliez

Beautiful boat! You done a great job on it & from looking at the boat I say you will do the same with the car. What was that piece of paper you had in one of the photo's? Said passenger at the top. I wish I had the patience for doing restore work & the time. The wood on that boat looks great. Well it all looks good. What kind of engine is in it I know its a inboard . I have an old 67 sports craft 18ft. fiberglass with 120 h.p. i/o its in the garage right now out of the weather my grandfather bought it new & kept it mostly at Lake Erie on middle bass island I have done some work on it & used it a lot but its been awhile. Good ski boat. It sit up there for like 10yrs. under cover but neglected. My oldest son wants me get it out this summer so I may. But it looks like to me you are very talented & do great work. I am at 14 m.g. today and hanging tuff. Take care!

its an 88hp outboard, pushes that wood boat faster than i wanna go..lol

you should drag it out this summer and give it a new life! kinda like your new life!!!

16 and hangin tough

later



oh that paper is the build sheet....it was under the seat,, it lists all the original options,colors,motor,etc
its a good thing to have if you plan on doing an original restore, but i'm going away from original,, bigger motor,tranny,different color, nicer wheels


hey was thinking... i enabled my email thing why don't you 2 send me your emails and i will send you mine just incase there is ever a problem on this board....

[Robert_325]

Ralph,

Boat is bad ass. Really beautiful woodwork. I am impressed. No wonder you are doing cabinet work for family. Sure the car will be great too after looking at the boat.

I sent you an email with my address. Check out the link I sent to you.

RRRRRRRRR

[HicksvilleNY]

wow that link is great... lots of info there, i will be reading it.Thanks

[HicksvilleNY]

16 time for bed

[Robert_325]

between 6 and 8 here. having a hard time going any lower at this time. think I will just blow it off until next week after Thursday when I see the dr. talk to you guys tomorrow.

[HicksvilleNY]

nothing wrong with that,have a good night all

[Charliez]

Good morning, Still at 14 & am I wishing I was lower but not reality yet. But I can tell if we give it 4 or 5 days at each cut of 2 we can manage with that so far anyway . Days 2 & 3 were the toughest for me physically & mentally but I am going to try again today to cut 2 more off if I am unable to do it on my first try I will just have to try again the next day & keep trying until I get it right. Me being used to & liking an altered state makes it harder, again as Robert has said my old pleasure seeking self gets in the way . I am determined to make it & that is what it takes. Today I will go to church & praise God for all that he does & all that he does for me . He has been with with me all along & I know he has plans for me. I started back going a little while after starting this treatment . I knew I would need his help...I just want to share this I always have been a believer but don't ever want to be a hypocrite can't see the point in that. He pulled me through addiction a couple of yrs. ago & I was totally free & was baptized ,attending regularly but as we all know I slipped back & during my use even though it was prescribed I felt I had let him down & myself so I stopped going but never stopped believing. Now I am looking at it different & know he will help no matter what. I never would have made it before if not for him & I know that he will be there always. I know everything will be ok & work out I just have to do my part. Our true strength comes from God .

[HicksvilleNY]

Good Morning,

well here i sit same as yesterday, nothing yet, it worked for me yesterday so it will work for me today, I'm down 4 from my high point, which I guess is good news. i did it in kind of a round about way but I'm down 4 thats what matters,

That was a great post Charlie, made me think a lot, you are going to be fine.

you mentioned that god has a plan for you ,,, well maybe this is part of it?

i'm possitive this thread will be helpful to anyone wanting to stop taking sub.

I want to be at 14 today but if i stay here i'm good with it,

I can see that its going to be hard to lower on work days, so maybe my weekend plan is my best option. I will continue to try and lower during the week and see what happens,but it is easier saturday and sunday for me, for sure,I'll see how i feel monday,

[Robert_325]

I am with you totally Charlie. I was also always a believer, but also could not allow myself to be a hypocrite during my insanity. Our stories sound like an exact duplication of one another.

I made a new commitment to God and to Christ several weeks ago. I know I can do nothing without Him. I am getting ready to go to Bible study this morning and then to church. At 2:00 today I will be babtized in church. I am really excited about it as I know how great it will make me feel.

Since being saved I have renewed my commitment to God. I participate in Bible study with the men's group in our church on Monday night. The men do a lot of service work for the body of our church. We try to help all of the other small groups achieve success in what they do. Our church is sending a small group to Panama in the fall. If all goes well I will joining that group on this missionary trip to carry the Word to the Kuni indians in Panama. I am really looking forward to this trip where I can give back and help someone who has not been blessed with knowing Christ as I do. I would like to be completely free of the Sub by then and am using this trip as a goal for myself.

I try to take advantage of my opportunities to share my relationship with God as I know He will continue to support me and hold me up strong as long as I do not turn my back on Him. He will stand next to us all when we arrive at the finish line as long as we don't deny Him. That gives me all the strength I need to concentrate on staying in His grace.

Don't mean to preach but God has not only saved my life here, but more importantly has prepared a place for me in paradise for eternity. HOW COOL IS THAT!!!

[Charliez]

Very cool! I wish I could be there with you today & witness your baptism in a way I am .....It is a great event in our lives . Everything can be built upon that. It is always good to set goals & to be realistic with them & this sounds very doable to me. Bless you brother! I said before I don't think it is by accident we came together here. Ralph you started out at 20 so cutting 4 in that little time is a big accomplishment. We want more but have to settle for what results we get giving it our best. One of our fears is being sick I know it is mine so I guess easy does it-hu? Everyone have a great day & I look forward to hearing back from Robert I am excited about this....I better get going or I will be late Take care.......

[Robert_325]

Wish you guys could have been with me today. What a great day! It has truly been one of the very best 12 hours of my life. It is too bad that we don't get to live every day with as much pleasure as I was blessed with today.

Just did a minimum amount of meds today ( 4mg so far ) and did not hardly think about them until about 6:00 this evening. It finally caught up with me regardless of how great a time I was having. I may take some more ... l may not. I don't know yet. Will see how I feel in a few hours.

Guess I will hear from you all some time this evening. Later!