[scared_ohio]

Hi everyone,
Let me start by saying,I am SO grateful to everyone posting their experiences. I have been caught doctor shopping, and the pharmacist said on Friday that she was notifying the police. There was a knock on my door Saturday afternoon, but nothing since. I have severe degenerative disc disease, as well as three herniated discs in my low back and neck. Also, a two year old, so I'm almost always hurting. I was up to 40 percs a day, and sometimes supplementing with vicodin es.
I have an appointment with a doctor tonight at 6pm to start suboxene, but my concern lies the pain mgmt aspect. From what I've been reading, there is virtually NO pain relief with sub. I'm scared because if I do the suboxene, and find there's no relief for pain, and decide to go to a different pain doctor, will the pain doctor know that I was on sub? And if so, will I be banned from recieving opiod meds in the future? I have been thinking that if I can take sub long enough to get thru withdrawals, then get in to see a different doctor, I would just give my pills to my husband to dispense to me. Any advice would be appreciated! my email is genmiller@gmail.com
Thank you so much!

[tamara02]

Hi there,When you start this sub, you do need to be in some level of withdrawal,berfore you take that 1st dose or it will put you in sudden withdrawals,also if pain is a concern,I think the Subutex,will help more than the suboxone,Good luck,will keep you in my prayers,Tamm

[sydbean]

Scared Ohio~ The last thing you want to do after getting caught doctor shopping is do the same thing again. Your suggestion that you get the Sub from one doc. then go to another doctor and get pain meds leads me to believe that you are somewhat out of touch with what is actually going on for you. Can you not understand that you will be doing again exactly what got you in trouble. I think you should go to the doctor tonight for your appointment and tell him all of your concerns. Say exactly what you said here!!

Please don't do as you suggested. If you are caught again (and you will be without a doubt!!) You are going to be in BIGGER trouble. Now that you have been caught they are going to be watching you like a hawk. Don't think for a second that they won't know exactly Whom your seeing for a doctor and where you get your meds....all of that is going to be tracked. I just would hate to see you get in more trouble. Please consider this!!!!

If you give him a chance this doctor may really be able to help you tonight. As scary as it may feel be honest with him 100%!!

Let us know how you make out tonight!!!! Good luck!!!!!

~Syd

[scared_ohio]

Hi Syd...
Thanks for setting it straight. I think one of my biggest concerns right now is knowing how much $$ this is going to cost. 200.00 for tonight's visit, then I believe the dr said he'll see me daily for a week or two which costs 145.00 per visit. He said it would probably take 5-6 months to stop the suboxene. I'm wondering if a doctor who can prescribe suboxene can also prescribe subutex (sp?). I think I read somewhere that that is a little better for the pain aspect.
I have the support of my husband, my friends, I KNOW that I need help, and if I don't do this tonight, I will be in worse shape than I am now.
Thanks again Syd for the "mental-slap"...I needed that!
Gen

[sydbean]

Scared~ I am so glad to hear that you have support on the home front. That is so important!! I am anxious to hear how your appointment went. I hope you have time to post tonight and let us know. Of course I haven't finished cruising the pages yet so maybe you have already posted elsewhere.

Holy cow on the money. He is charging your the 150.00 for every day appointment?????? That would add up a bit quickly...ouch!!

Just wanted to let you know that I am thinking of you and I am very glad that you took my last post as exactly what is was and did not take it personally.

I will check around but I hope to hear from you soon!!


~Syd

[scared_ohio]

OH wow...
Ok, I went to my appointment with the doc last night for suboxone, and it was AMAZING!! We talked for almost two hours, everyone who said that talking to him would help...you all were right! And he said that since I seem to be so motivated, ie: being on this board, looking for NA meetings, he only needs to see me every week for a month, then once a month, so yay! He gave me a scrip for the sub, I'm supposed to take 1/2 tab the first day, then 1 tab, then 1 1/2, then two...but here's the crazy thing...I took my last two vicodin yesterday morning at 11:30 am, it is now 6:40 am, I haven't taken a sub yet, I actually slept ALL night, and I'm STILL not in withdrawals. Granted, my back hurts like crazy, but I can cope. I don't have a choice. I just can't believe I'm not in withdrawals. On Monday I took 10 vicodin, then on Tuesday I took 2 at 7am, then the last two at 11:30...I just can't figure this out. I know I can't take the sub until I'm into the w/d's...has this ever happened to anyone else?
Anyway...I also got a call from the pharmacy that my scrip for Tylenol #4 is ready, and guess what? It's STILL at the pharmacy! I'm sure that if I wasn't scared that the police would be there waiting for me, I'd pick them up, "just in case"...but I've taken this step, and I don't want to screw it up.
So, thank you everyone for your kindness, it has helped so much.
Peace,
Gen

[hatelove percs]

girl, you are right not to pick up those pills, PLEASE DO NOT! you will relapse. as the saying goes, one is to many, a thousand is never enough. you got to understand that, and i have said this many times, u will never be able to take another opiate again as long as you live. ever. for the rest of your life. because if u do, you will be off and running into full blown relapse before you know what happened stronger than before! it has happened to me and many others on here many times who thought they could handle "just one".

[scared_ohio]

Hey there hate/love,
How ya doin? Don't I know it about picking those pills up...the pharmacy just opened, and I'm thinking seriously of calling and telling them I don't need them. I wonder if anyone's ever done that before?
Right now, I'm feeling good...a little shaky, but then I just took my first dose of sub about an hour ago, so we'll see.
Have you ever done sub? I gotta tell ya girl, I LOVE the screen name..ain't that the truth? Looooove them, and absolutely despise them at the same time.
One more question, have you ever done NA or a program like that? I know the success rate with sub is a lot higher if you do, and I really, really, really want success.
Thanks!!!
Gen

[hatelove percs]

well, the only reason i haven't done sub is cause u can't get it round where i live. the closest place is 2.5 hours away! also, i do suffer from severe migraines and sometimes i have to go to the hospital and get a shot of demerol and phenergan and that would not work with the sub. since the dr gives that and i only have to do it like three times a year i don't have a problem with that luckily. just pills. i hate shots!!!

[ButterflyNbama]

TextTextText<div align="right">Text</div id="right">Hiscared_ohio, I truly agree that taking the sub. & then going to a pain management doctor would be totally defeating the purpose of you taking a detox medication. I understand your pain. I have something called spondyliosis, which means I have 2 cracks in 1 of my vertebra, actually my L-3. I'm 29yrs. old & have dealt with it since I was 16yrs. & got injured in a cheerleading accident. I have dealt with the pain, which was even more excruciating when I was pregnant w/my daughter. I'm not even going to try to compare our personal pain, because everyone reacts to pain differently, but I can say that the best way to relieve some of your is to start doing stretches w/your body, strengthen the muscles in your legs, & the most important part of your body that will help relieve alot of pressure off of your back, is your stomach-core area(ofcourse talk to a doctor 1st to ask what's allowed for your condition & what's out of the question). Also, there're pain management docs out there that use alternative methods of pain management other than just getting people addicted to opiates. My Neurologist is the one who got me addicted. I had lots of migraines at one point & tried every med you could think of, but tabs & another medication that was pretty much a mixture of caffeine & codeine were the only things that rid me of the migraines. Come to find out, my birth control, Depo Provera, was the cause of 'em. So, when I quit going to see him, I started having my withdraws & had a child to take care of so I had docs that I knew I could go to around town to get lortab 5, 7.5, & 10mgs. After a few months of that I met someone who was going to the methadone clinic. I knew about it, but was ignorant as to who truly went to those clinics. I thought it was drug addicts who were just going to some clinic to get drugs & get high by a Federal allowed drug dealer. I entered the clinic knowing that it was just going to be a stepping stone & I would not allow myself to be someone who was going to be dependent on this drug for 5 yrs. or even longer. I can say that if I would've only known how they munipulate you into believing that once your there, you pretty much will be there forever. As long as they dont kick you out or something like that & they never bring up the discussion of you being ready to finally trying to detox yourself. That's why after a little less than 2 yrs. of being there, I detoxed myself in May of 2006 & have felt better than I've ever felt. Don't get me wrong about the detoxing. It was more rough than I could've imagined. I knew it was going to be a journey, but I can't begin to describe how I truly inspired myself after going through the w/draws for over a month & a half. My family who never supported the fact that I was at the clinic were the 1st one's there to tell me how strong & how they were so proud of me. There's no other feeling like the feeling of finally being free of all those chains that held me down. Now if I could only talk my husband who started the clinic before me, to finally detox I would a lucky woman. But he doesn't think he can do it. He's just not mentally ready to take that leap & believes he wouldn't be able to last through the w/draws. I believe anyone can do it if & ONLY if they're truly serious about it. I should've just gone through a week & a half of opiate w/draws instead of getting myself addicted to a synthetic heroin that takes months to get off of, but like I said that wasn't a topic the counselors, nurses, or the physician discussed, period. I found out through forums & websites like this. These forums are where your life can truly be saved & people can be told the truth & supported by others going through or have been through what they are going through. All I can say scared_ohio, you're already too deep to let yourself any deeper. I don't want you to think I'm being rude, but as long as you let your physical condition be your crutch, you'll never allow yourself to get the treatment & support you'll need to get off mess. I hope you have found something in this that'll help u out in some way. Just know that I am one of those women who love to listen & help out in anyway I can. I've had alot of struggles in my life & not just w/drugs, so if I can be a friend & support system to all of you here, than I would be more than honored. [8D] [:X]ButterflyNbama[:X]&lt;font size="4"&gt;&lt;font color="violet"&gt; Anyone who truly honestly wants a life without Methadone, can achieve it! Your inner strength is truly the only ally you have in conquering such a cruel addiction!!!!- ButterflyNbama&lt;/font id="size4"&gt;&lt;/font id="violet"&gt;

[lyds]

quote:Originally posted by scared_ohio

OH wow...
Ok, I went to my appointment with the doc last night for suboxone, and it was AMAZING!! We talked for almost two hours, everyone who said that talking to him would help...you all were right! And he said that since I seem to be so motivated, ie: being on this board, looking for NA meetings, he only needs to see me every week for a month, then once a month, so yay! He gave me a scrip for the sub, I'm supposed to take 1/2 tab the first day, then 1 tab, then 1 1/2, then two...but here's the crazy thing...I took my last two vicodin yesterday morning at 11:30 am, it is now 6:40 am, I haven't taken a sub yet, I actually slept ALL night, and I'm STILL not in withdrawals. Granted, my back hurts like crazy, but I can cope. I don't have a choice. I just can't believe I'm not in withdrawals. On Monday I took 10 vicodin, then on Tuesday I took 2 at 7am, then the last two at 11:30...I just can't figure this out. I know I can't take the sub until I'm into the w/d's...has this ever happened to anyone else?
Anyway...I also got a call from the pharmacy that my scrip for Tylenol #4 is ready, and guess what? It's STILL at the pharmacy! I'm sure that if I wasn't scared that the police would be there waiting for me, I'd pick them up, "just in case"...but I've taken this step, and I don't want to screw it up.
So, thank you everyone for your kindness, it has helped so much.
Peace,
Gen

I was thinking about you this morning. Wondering about your appointment. I am SOOOO glad to hear it went so well. That is truly awesome and a definite step in the right direction.

Keep at it!!!!

[scared_ohio]

Hey all,
Well, I took my first dose at 8:30am, and up until about 10 minutes ago, I was feeling really good! Now,I'm sweating profusely, have a KILLER headache, and shaking. Beats the heck out of withdrawal tho!
It's about lunchtime for my daughter, but I wanted to check in and let you all know how grateful I am for the support, and if any of you would like to "chat" via email, PLEASE do so....it's easier for me, and quicker...my email is genmiller@gmail.com
Hope to talk more soon,
Gen

[tamara02]

Hi gen,how many mgs did the dr put you on? and how many pills did you take on a daily basis b-4 you started the sub?/I got a bad headache the first 2 days then it disappeared,remember with sub less is more,or you may not have enough in your system,you may need to try maybe a half of a pill more,see if it helps or not,let me know.Tamm

[scared_ohio]

Hey Tam,
He told me to take 1/2 and if it didn't help take the other half an hour later. It's 8 mg 2mg dosage. Today I'm supposed to add to it. So since I took a whole one yesterday, today I'm taking 1 1/2 then tomorrow I'll take 2, and then I'll just stay on the 2 pills until I see him on Feb 7th. This is the first time in years that there hasn't been any narcotics in my house. I went through with a garbage bag and threw out ALL those beautiful/ugly orange bottles. I filled up a plastic bag from Kroger. How sad is that? And I know I missed some of them.
Here's to a pill free day!
Have a good one!
Gen

[scared_ohio]

Oh yea, I was taking anywhere from 20-45 pills a day. Depending on what I had and how much. I know there were times when 120 pills would only last three days. Scary.
Gen

[tamara02]

Hi scared ohio ,I also was taking a hugh amt,my sub doc started me on 16,mg /2 8-2,mgs per day I am taking 1 and a half pills now though,fri will be 3 months and she will put me on just 8-2 mgs,So I figured It might be easier If I went down 4mgs by myself,if you are not feeling better take another half.it might help,instead of going lower,so soon,Good luck,so glad no dang hydros in the house,In a couple more days you will start to feel much better,I'm so relieved for you,Take care Tamm