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someone please give me an accurate time frame of how long opiate withdrawal lasts?
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    dpndncycmplx is offline New Member
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    Arrow someone please give me an accurate time frame of how long opiate withdrawal lasts?

    i search this question frequently online and i get different answers every time. mostly the physical withdrawal is said to last about a week, but i've heard of people having diarrhea and stomach pains and general achy-ness for upwards of 3 months to a year.. i need to know a realistic time frame here, i do about 3 bags a day, sometimes more, sometimes i do 2 or 3 30's a day depending on which of my connections answers/has a supply or if i have money. i've been in situations where i either have money and i get no answer, or i just have no money, and they are terrible. even in the same day or day after, withdrawal sets in and i cannot sleep and i'm crapping every few hours and have terrible stomach pains. and if that's only the beginning i cannot imagine day 3, 4 and 5. i just want to know how long it lasts, and if possible, either a taper schedule or how to successfully use sub strips to come down and quit with. i do NOT want to be addicted to subs, i do not know if there is a way to use subs without having sub-withdrawal, these are the reasons i signed up and am here asking. please help, i have a son and i need to be able to come down while still being able to take care of him every day by myself. i can't be tossing and turning all night and stretching every 2 minutes and running to the bathroom shortly after. i need to have barely any physical withdrawals, i am in this alone. no one can take my son for longer than a day and that is just not long enough to get off this garbage. i am so ashamed i have gotten involved in opiates as is, and to have gone this far.. it's so embarrassing--even anonymously posting this. i've been doing opiates daily for about two years now. i need to be done with them for good. i've seen some hopeful posts from robert about tapering and subs, but they are very vague and i don't get enough information from them, so i signed up. if you're still here, please let me know your best advice, and please be as in-depth as possible... i just want to be a good, sober mom.

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    Hey there! I know exactly what you are going through. WD is different for everyone. I am by far not an expert but I have tried several times. I am past my 5th day being clean and I feel pretty good. I am also a father, full time college student, and hold a job also. Here is what I have done and it seemed to work pretty good for me. I also was addicted for about 2 years also at sometimes 10-12 10mg per day. I felt that it was getting out of hand quick. So I had to do something about it. I went cold turkey because I didn't want to be hooked on subs or anything like that. What I did was I checked out the Thomas recipe. I will try to find it and paste it here for you. I didn't get everything on the list but here is what I personally got and it helped a lot. I got a multivitamin and multimineral supplement (centrex), vitamin b-6, ibuprofen for the aches, imodium for the diarrhea, and I got some unisom pm for bed. The first couple of nights sleep was hard but after the first couple of nights I got some weed and smoked before bed. That really helped. By day 3 I was sleeping a full 8-10 hours straight through. Last night I didn't take anything and slept the whole night. Even though I was feeling like ????, I made myself go and do things outside and that seemed to help. I am in no way shape or form an expert but I'm just sharing what I have done. The Thomas recipe says to use the imodium aggresively and that's exactly what I did. I only got diarrhea one time. It has been gone since I took the imodium aggressively. I would take the supplement as soon as I woke up along with the b-6. Then I would take the ibuprofen as needed for aches. I also got some icyhot rub for my lower back aches which seemed to work for me. I am going on day 6 and I feel really good. I go to school everyday too which I could not miss. At least you are realizing that you want to make the right choice and stop the habit. There are a lot of knowledgeable people on here that will really help you out and make you feel right at home. You are definitely not alone. I would say if you could get someone to watch your child for one day, I would say have it be day 2. For me day 2 was definitely the hardest one. After that as long as you let the imodium help you out the diarrhea should be under control. That for me is the most uncomfortable out of all of the symptoms. Whether you want subs or not is up to you. I'm not going to be anyone to tell you what to do but doing it cold turkey was not too bad either for me. Of course everyone is different.

    Just know that if you need to talk to someone, I usually check this forum everyday. I feel like reading stories helps me through this time. Also posting really helped me too. I am focused now on what I have to do for my future and I'm not even thinking about the pills anymore. The first 3-4 days are the hardest physical symptom days. After that it's all in your head. My point is whatever you decide to do, I can be here to talk if you need someone to talk to. I found that when I told my wife what I had been doing it helped too. I'm not saying that's the route you should go. Anyways sorry it's so long. But just know that you definitely are not alone. And you are thinking on the right track. Best of luck! In whatever path you choose to take to your recovery. I will try and post the recipe for you.

    J.P.
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    I found this reading the board, but decided to post it again for those who haven't found it and for all us "newbies". Peace and good luck to all of those here stuggling with addicition.


    "PLEASE NOTE: I am not a doctor, simply a long-time Rx opiate junkie who has had many opportunities to develop a way to detox. This is a recipe for at-home self-detox from opiates based on my experience as well as that of many other addicts. It is not intended as professional medical advice. It is always wise to make sure none of the recipe ingredients or procedures conflict with medications you may be taking. Likewise, if you have any medical condition, disease, allergy or any other health issue, consult your doctor before using the recipe. Thanks, Thomas

    THOMAS RECIPE

    If you can't take time off to detox, I recommend you follow a taper regimen using your drug of choice or suitable alternate -- the slower the taper, the better.

    For the Recipe, You'll need:

    1. Valium (or another benzodiazepine such as Klonopin, Librium, Ativan or Xanax). Of these, Valium and Klonopin are best suited for tapering since they come in tablet form. Librium is also an excellent detox benzo, but comes in capsules, making it hard to taper the dose. Ativan or Xanax should only be used if you can't get one of the others.

    2. Imodium (over the counter, any drug or grocery store).

    3. L-Tyrosine (500 mg caps) from the health food store.

    4. Strong wide-spectrum mineral supplement with at least 100% RDA of Zinc, Phosphorus, Copper, Magnesium and Potassium (you may not find the potassium in the same supplement).

    5. Vitamin B6 caps.

    6. Access to hot baths or a Jacuzzi (or hot showers if that's all that's available).

    How to use the recipe:

    Start the vitamin/mineral supplement right away (or the first day you can keep it down), preferably with food. Potassium early in the detox is important to help relieve RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome). Bananas are a good source of potassium if you can't find a supplement for it.

    Begin your detox with regular doses of Valium (or alternate benzo). Start with a dose high enough to produce sleep. Before you use any benzo, make sure you're aware of how often it can be safely taken. Different benzos have different dosing schedules. Taper your Valium dosage down after each day. The goal is to get through day 4, after which the worst WD symptoms will subside. You shouldn't need the Valium after day 4 or 5.

    During detox, hit the hot bath or Jacuzzi as often as you need to for muscle aches. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of hot soaks. Spend the entire time, if necessary, in a hot bath. This simple method will alleviate what is for many the worst opiate WD symptom.

    Use the Imodium aggressively to stop the runs. Take as much as you need, as often as you need it. Don't take it, however, if you don't need it.

    At the end of the fourth day, you should be waking up from the Valium and experiencing the beginnings of the opiate WD malaise. Upon rising (empty stomach), take the L-Tyrosine. Try 2000 mgs, and scale up or down, depending on how you feel. You can take up to 4,000 mgs. Take the L-Tyrosine with B6 to help absorption. Wait about one hour before eating breakfast. The L-Tyrosine will give you a surge of physical and mental energy that will help counteract the malaise. You may continue to take it each morning for as long as it helps. If you find it gives you the "coffee jitters," consider lowering the dosage or discontinuing it altogether. Occasionally, L-Tyrosine can cause the runs. Unlike the runs from opiate WD, however, this effect of L-Tyrosine is mild and normally does not return after the first hour. Lowering the dosage may help.

    Continue to take the vitamin/mineral supplement with breakfast.

    As soon as you can force yourself to, get some mild exercise such as walking, cycling, swimming, etc. This will be hard at first, but will make you feel considerably better.

    Thomas"


    Like I said I didnt get the valium or Xanax I just used the supplement, b-6, imodium, ibuprofen, and unisom pm for sleep.

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    dear dpndncycmplx-

    i dont think i have all of the specific answers you need- but i just wanted to tell you that you are doing the right thing...reaching out-wanting to get off opiates.

    i understand how it is nearly impossible to do this when you have a child/children to take care of...& no one to help.

    (i am currently tapering rx meds & will go cold turkey the rest of the way...Monday!- i'm taking time off work & will have help w/ the kids for 2 days)...literaly answers to prayers

    in your situation you may have to look into suboxone. -but from what i gather...only use subs for a couple days (or risk addiction to subs)...& then tough it out from there?...but again: not really my 'area of expertise' {back in the days when i used "H" (snorted) & other unprescribed narcs/opiates- there was no such thing as suboxone}

    i am sure someone more knowledgable will be able to give you an accurate timeline...& info on subs.

    just mostly wanted to let you know you will be in my thoughts/prayers. from one mom to another-you can do this! God Bless

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    thanks so much JP and supermom. it is definitely nice to hear from other parents. that does not mean i am finished with this post by any means, i accept all comments and will take in everything. i appreciate the support from both of you, it will give me confidence on the hard days.. and JP, please keep coming back to let me know how the thomas recipe (or your version of it) is working for you, i've heard good and bad things about it. i have access to sup strips, but not on a steady basis. so i'd have to either stock up at once or over time.. and then go for the gold and quit. i'm really hoping to taper with my opiates first, but i've tried doing that in the past and have been unsuccessful. that is why i have considered the subs at all. i really don't think the amount i do is much compared to some that have successfully tapered or quit, so i'm hoping to get down to a half of a 30mg a day, once in the morning and once at night. so really, down to quarters. at that point i'd only be consuming 15 mgs a day, which should not be hard to get off of, but then again i see posts about people having trouble quitting smaller amounts than this... so maybe the key here is over a long period of time. the hardest part for me is the sleepless nights caused by achy-ness or RLS, or whatever it is that makes it impossible to get comfortable long enough to fall asleep and STAY asleep. i may finally pass out at 2am, but then i wake up every 45 minutes feeling gross. and yeah, the diarrhea and stomach pain is a very close second... i have tried immodium, but what exactly does "aggressively" mean? do i follow the directions or just use a lot of it and all the time? like before i even get diarrhea? or when i start feeling it? i can't say enough how much you guys saying i'm doing the right thing and that you're here for me helps.. that is what i need to hear xoxo

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    Like you i am looking for answers also...im 14 months clean but have no energy and feel achy and rundown all the time ....not ANYTHING like the beginning so dont get worried that it will last forever, im prlly just being my normal self looking for a quick cure

    heres how it went for me..take into consideration that i used for 9 years without trying to quit and i had a very very large habit

    day 1-5 were the worst with day three peaking
    day 6-14 still feeling ????ty but could sleep better
    by day 30 i quit having the drug dreams and realized that thinking of them every
    second of everyday wasnt happening anymore
    it took about 3 or 4 months for the diarrhea and very light weight cravings to go away but if i kept busy i was ok mentally

    i had vomiting, diarrhea, nausea, very dry mouth with a weird feeling in my throat, nose ran all the time aches and pains..i thought that it would be ok if i could just sleep...legs freaking ached like a mofo all night long...but it took a week or so to fall out completely

    i quit with no prescription drugs EXCEPT for a light weight sleeping pill the first week which didnt help anyway...used extrastrength excedren..and benedryl..read that it helps with withdrawals some how plus it will make you sleepy and chilled out...you HAVE to make yourself do stuff and retrain your mind...like if you need a pill to clean, make yourself clean sober yada yada..have a support system and here is the biggest kicker...Stay away from anyone who gets high, endorses getting high, sells, whatever...you have to otherwise the temptation is too great...

    good luck...if i could do it...trust me, anyone can...

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    Not a problem. When I needed people here for me they were. I'm just repaying the favor. With the immodium, as soon as I had the first bout of diarrhea instead of taking a single dose I took double. I just continued like that and I only had diarrhea once. At least that's what worked for me.

    As long as the method you choose to be clean works for you then that's the best thing. Keep checking in with everyone and let us know what you decide to do.

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    you can do it this is my third time trying cold tukey and i am on day 5 now sure not felling good in my stomach not out of the woods yet i to have a child to take care of much of my motivation is to be the parent iwas in the pastbut after 5 days my head alreadyfeels cleaer i know i am near the top of the uphill struggle and it will only get better you know whithout fail you will beet this if a man named terry fox ran half way throughthe second largest country in the wold on a artificial leg if you are not aware of who he is check it out he gave me the inspiration to get this far and the i know i will win

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    First of all, I admire you for seeking help and support. I am a mother as well and have dealt with opiate abuse over the years. Withdrawal can be different for everyone. I do know from first hand experience the first 7 days are the worst. This is coming from someone who has detoxed in an in-patient facility, an out-patient facility as well as tried numorus times on my own to detox. After day 7, it does get better. Day 4 is really your worst as one other person mentioned in the replies. My suggestion to you is to please seek medical attention. If not for yourself, do it for your child. Seek an Addictions Specialist MD if you have access? If not, being honest with your primary care physician about your problem can be a good place to start. Personally, I am on a suboxone taper and honestly, I am now addicted to the suboxone, but it has allowed me to get off the high doses of pain medication that I did once abuse. It has been the only solution for me that has really given me long-term relief from opiate addiction. I am not suggestiong suboxone is a good answer for you, as it does create another addiction but I can tell you it made withdrawal very minimal. I get down on myself for being on suboxone now, but it really has helped to save my life. I am monitored by my Addictions Specialist MD every 30 days and have never even craved the "use of more than perscribed" with the suboxone. We have successfully weaned me down to the lowest dose and it is just a matter of time before I am completely off the suboxone.

    Unsure if my 2 cents worth helped? Again I applaud your courage to want to get help. I sincerely wish you all the best. Please keep us posted and let us know how you are. We are all here for you! Just take it one day at a time

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    Hi

    I think the sleeplessness is the worst and can last maybe 4 - 6 weeks. Stomach upsets about a week.

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    Default dpndncycmplx thats not an easy ?

    I read your post & a few of the others but I can tell you this:
    If you do this it all depends on your body & its wiring on how long you'll feel like death.... You say your doing "bags" a day I am guessing >>>>>>?? Snorting smoking injecting ????
    You can read up on some of my posts if you'd like I have no experience with subs just cold bird ridiculous amounts of RX'ed Oxy's for 12 yrs so I do know what high doses every day for a very long period of time will do to you if you just stop with nothing else.... I will tell you this DO NOT DO THAT TO YOUR CHILD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You've made your choice to put yourself & "HIM" in this position you need to start making better choices to get clean & not to effect his life anymore BUT do it with every bit of help you can & quickly.. I will also tell you this I have a friend that went cold bird/turkey in prison from doses like I took & it took more than a yr for him. Me I'm still screwed up & have been fighting this fight a long time so doing it alone would NOT be a choice you should make for your sons sake not yours.
    Get some help from professionals & if going the sub route you need to get talking to Robert because he will save your life as will Henry & if not for you for your son.

    Please don't take this as me adding to your shame because its not what I'm about we all have enough of that to go around I just want to catch your attention...

    Good luck & it will be a battle & not an easy one at that but please go for it...
    If you have any ?'s I can help you with please feel free to ask away & I'll do my best just be direct & posts it to me..

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    Hey guys, I'm at day 4 and you guys are really helping., J.P you have been of great help, I sure hope you see this. You have all provided support beyond simple recognition. I think with the support of you, my family and my doctors I have the bull by the horns, I just need to hold on. I have no ideation of using again, which I hope will last. I had a major surgery that has had a 6 month recovery so far and was on synthetics. The doctor pulled the plug from a wrong amount of pills because I stupidly gave them to friends and family. Thank you all so much.

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    You are posting to an old thread, though JP's posting of the Thomas Recipe is pretty accurate. I would post a thread in the need to talk section: you will get plenty of real time help there.

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    Default Difficulty ahead and then goodness

    First, you can do it. It is not easy. It will be difficult, but the rewards will be great.

    My story is simple. I suffered an injury. And for years I rejected the idea of pain medication. I did not want to become addicted. But after suffering for years I started opiates. And after a few years, my dosage had increased to the point where I knew that I was causing damage to my body in exchange for controlling pain. A point was reached where the quality of my life was suffering more from medication than from pain.

    A choice had to be made. I was offered even stronger pain medication, but I rejected this offer.

    The key to quitting is very simple. It is your will. Your will is greater than any drug. It is something inside you that is more powerful than any artificial agent. You must find this will first and foremost. Attempting to quit without engaging a commitment to this will is not a positive to reaching success.

    One month, after an usual amount of pain, I realized my script would not last until my refill date. I elected to go on a strict allocation of my remaining pills. It is amazing how even a smaller dose will allow you to get by without too much suffering. It is as if the body will accept a 2/3 amount of your normal dose without the terrible withdrawal. Make a schedule with a steady reduction and stick to it. And soon the day will come when you are down to a single pill. Then a half pill. And then stop. Just decide to stop. And yes, it will be still be terrible. When that last little dose is missing, the body will scream for it. But it will pass. I found the period between 36 and 50 hours to be the worst. But by that third day, after many, many weeks of a smaller and smaller dosage, it was bearable. And by the fourth or fifth day of no dosage, you feel less than optimum, but you can function. A week later, you are feeling better than when you took your largest dosage.

    It is about wanting to stop. Believing that your life will be better.

    There are lots of tricks. Try them all if they help you, but without the will to quit, I do not believe any tricks or substitutes will work. I know a person that was using slightly more than me and he is still on all the opiate substitutes. I think in six months he will still be on them. He lacks the real will to quit. Find a reason to quit. Accept that pain that will come, and it will be terrible for a while, but it will pass and you will have a better life.

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    I have been taking all different opiates and subs on and off for years and the withdrawls off the subs were awful.After my 6th day I gave in. I wasn't a heavy user but a daily user. I have small kids with no help so it was too hard. This time I am into day 4 and it hasn't been bad. I got some metropolol and all my withdrawls have been nothing but just tired and no energy. If you can get them that is the way to go. Cold turkey for me wasn't an option again because of the kids and withdrawls are awlful. The worst is the cold sweats and restless arms but haven't had any this time.
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