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10-19-2006, 10:37 PM
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there you all are!
LisaGirl, so glad you are feeling better. I wish I knew more about the sub. I just cant comment on it, as i know nothing!
I do know that I have really felt the help coming from this website, so glad its here when someone needs it!
I just got home from dinner out with my family. I sometimes flash on the fact that I havent had a pill and have managed to have a good time anyway! I feel a lot like I used to in High School, silly and playful, but high on life! My husband actually told my kids and I to settle down tonight because we were playing and being so silly and it was time for thier bed. I am definately returning to my former self!
I guess its time to wind down, so good night everyone!
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10-19-2006, 11:07 PM
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How do you get into a clinic to get suboxone treatment or some kind of treatment to help me get of pain pills and hopefully stay off!!!
Been on them for six years and havent gone more than two or three days at a time without something. Withdrawls or so fierce that I am in tears, twitching and moaning for something. I have tried several methods to try and wean myself etc.. This is the hardest thing Ive ever done in my life and I cant keep going on using because I am already in debt to a lot of people and my bills are piling up. I dont want my children to have to do without anymore because of my addiction. I Just need help!!!!!!!!! |
10-20-2006, 02:03 AM
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dlower,
you have come to the right place! The people on this forum are all incredibly caring and ready to help. If you are wanting to get on suboxone but don't know where to go you have a few options. First off you could talk to your family doctor and see if he knows any docs who are prescribing it. If you don't have a regular doctor, look on line. I typed "list of doctors prescribing suboxone" on a search engine like yahoo or google and found many names in my area. Good luck. |
10-20-2006, 08:03 AM
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Dlower,
Hi it sounds like your ready to give up the pill hunt and start to live. Well I found out about suboxone from this very room and I found a doctor by going to suboxone .com they have a search engine and you will be able to find the doctor by you good luck you are making the right choice.
John,
I'm with the rest of them I got a script for my sub the first one was for 12 on a friday and I had to go back in on the following Monday we decided what was the right dose for me to start and then he gave me 1 month script and the rest is history that was 5 or 6 months ago I think your doing the right thing you wont regret it ask Lisa Girl she was scared as they come and look at her now.
Lisa,
How are you sounds like you are doing very well I'm Happy for you and you should be very happy for you.
Suboxone works give it a chance! |
10-20-2006, 01:15 PM
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Day 38:
I've never made 40 days clean before so you-all can be praying for me. Come to think of it, I've never made 38 days before,  even though this is my 4th try at getting clean.
The bride and I are going to the coast for the weekend to take some much needed R & R. I'll be thinking of you all.................... those who post daily, those who seldom post, those that have only been here a short time and the old-timers like nsclueless, vtx1300, mvpt and of course chrish.
Still looking for Angela For Real and Cranky. Hope you guys are O.K. nymommy, LISA GIRL and Pat-mammacito: You guys are all doing great. Keep up the board in my absence and offer rays of hope to those who come here looking for exactly that. To All: There is a way out of this addiction. There are many here who are living proof of that. Go back and read what Chrish has been through this past year and you'll realize that if there was ever a candidate for the poster child of recovery, it's him.
You guys are all great and I appreciate each and everyone of you![:I]
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10-20-2006, 02:32 PM
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hey K - thanks for asking about me. No, I'm not doing OK. I fell of, yet again. I'm weak - don't know what to do, or how to do it. I was feeling fine, no WD with the kratom - I just missed the Norco feeling too much to stay away. They're soooo easy to get, with the prescription. Not feeling so good about myself right now - so, I've just been lurking.[V] Congratulations to everyone, by the way, I really admire all of you for your strenth of character. Lisa - please keep us posted as much as possible as to how you're doing on Sub. |
10-20-2006, 02:38 PM
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Cranky, I am so sorry to hear you are feeling down. I think as long as you are here though, you are still on your way to recovery! I dont know many who get right through this without any problems! I am proof to that.
Great job Kaidog! I am right behind you at 20 days! tomorrow, I will be at three weeks cold turkey. I think the worst part of this is the fact that I want to get an occassional buzz by artificial means, and I am naughty ] But, I am learning, it is totally there without drugs, you just have to relax and enjoy the natural buzz. When all of those voices telling you to be bad go away, you will be just as good as new! When do they stop talking though?[} ]
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10-20-2006, 03:09 PM
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hey K - thanks for asking about me. No, I'm not doing OK. I fell of, yet again. I'm weak - don't know what to do, or how to do it. I was feeling fine, no WD with the kratom - I just missed the Norco feeling too much to stay away. They're soooo easy to get, with the prescription. Not feeling so good about myself right now - so, I've just been lurking.[V] Congratulations to everyone, by the way, I really admire all of you for your strenth of character. Lisa - please keep us posted as much as possible as to how you're doing on Sub.
| Cranky, don't be so hard on yourself. Just pull yourself back up and start again. I've been hard on myself, start the sub Tuesday but thought what the heck, I'll finish out what I have and that's what I've been doing. Got the count down just right so I'll be in withdrawl when I start. Is this good, no, but I'm doing it and that's that. I don't know. I don't know what to say, I'm rambling, but the good thing is you have been lurking, deep down you know you want to beat this thing and you will....there's a time for us all and you'll find it. Hopefully, Tuesday will be mine. Please don't beat yourself up. We are all human.
Sorry for the rambling.....
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10-20-2006, 03:12 PM
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Kaidog.. Enjoy that R&R... have some for me too!
Cranky.. don't beat yourself up..it happens. I know you know the sub is there if you decide you want to try that.
$600 days free of percocet for me (that's 12 days x $50) Going well. Last week was crazy.. had soooo much energy.. now just feel normal.. kind of miss the high of the percs, but the suboxone keeps it at a manageable level.
Saw the sub doc again today. Asked him about the dizziness and hot flashes. Said hard to tell if I am taking too little sub and those are actual percocet w/d symptoms, or taking too much sub and they are side effects from that. He said the only way to know would be to double my sub dose for a while and see if I no longer have the symptoms or they get worse. He said I could also increase my dosage if I am having some cravings but I don't want to do that unless the physical symptoms are acutal w/d from the percs. I don't know. All I know is I am not using. I am not hating life. I wish I had a little bit more crazy love for life like PATMAMMA right now. My honeymoon period was very shortlived!! I wonder if I don't need some sort of antidepressant too, cuz life seems a little boring to me w/o the percocet. I have lost some of the zip I got last week to do other things. Maybe I will up my sub dosage just a bit. I don't know.. Maybe I am taking too much.. I have been reading a lot on the "less is more" theory. It's just hard to belive when you think of it from the addicted mind... Seems like more should always be better.....
Oh doc also says...and I agree... I should start taking whatever dose I conclude is best once a day in the morning. Have to get out of the pill popping mentality...that conditioned behavior.. the part of me that wants to take a sub everytime something stresses me out. I need to be more preventative rather than reactive... |
10-20-2006, 03:39 PM
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quote:Originally posted by LISA GIRL
Oh doc also says...and I agree... I should start taking whatever dose I conclude is best once a day in the morning. Have to get out of the pill popping mentality...that conditioned behavior.. the part of me that wants to take a sub everytime something stresses me out. I need to be more preventative rather than reactive...
| That's my biggest worry Lisa, that I'm so used to just popping a pill when I am stressed. I have to get away from that mentality. I think the sub will handle the physical part of withdrawl, but the mental part scares the hell out of me.
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10-20-2006, 04:03 PM
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Amy.. once in a while I admit I do have a small craving.. usually when I am stressed..i.e... fighting w/ the boyfriend.. and I do still have my pills, so I could use if I so chose. But it is not enough of a craving that I would risk throwing away all I have done to become clean (or more clean as in the case with sub) Plus, since I am on the sub, the percs wil have no effect anyway, so useless to take them. Most people on sub don't have ANY cravings.. don't even think about the pills... My doc thinks that I might need to up my dosage. For now I would rather deal with the mild cravings than take more pills. I think once you get on the sub, you will enjoy that life so much, and the money you are saving, that you will not be tempted by any mild cravings.. if you have any at all.
I too did a "last hurrah" before I quit.. Didn't quite eat all the pills I had, but I sure tried!... I think that is why I felt that "high" the first few days on the sub.. it was that mixed with the percs leaving my system maybe?
I didn't get sick like some people do, the first few days on the sub.. just that "high" feeling and a little blurry vision... a headache the first couple days.. asprin worked fine for that. Can't wait to hear what you think... Give us the full report Tuesday! |
10-20-2006, 04:15 PM
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Amy.. Give us the full report Tuesday!
| I'll be sure and post. I go at 5:00 Tuesday evening, so I'll post Wednesday and let everyone know. Thank you for all your advice and congratulations on being clean. I know I can hardly wait to feel that way. I keep telling my husband I just want to feel normal. I've been in such a fog for so long.
Have a GREAT weekend!!!!
Amy |
10-20-2006, 04:30 PM
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amy~~ been on sub for 1 mo...i have been lucky, as i really do not crave..i hear whatever cravings you can get are minimal...if you have any questions when you return from your appt. tuesday, feel free.............i was so happy to have this forum when first on the sub...just expect 2-3 days to be alittle shaky when your trying to get your dose right |
10-20-2006, 04:35 PM
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Everyone have a great weekend and keep up the great work Kaidog and the rest.Cranky, you need to get on a schedualed detox and see if that makes it any easier or try buprenorphene......Dave |
10-20-2006, 05:28 PM
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Just some thoughts about this thing called addiction.....I am on my 44 day off vikes and 21 days off sub.....I have been attending meetings a couple times a week, some AA, some NA and some at a rehab house....................relapsing is not an uncommom thing and sometimes, for some people it takes a few knocks to finally get that "ah hah" moment or turning point....and in your mind you know its a choice that you'll never go back....you still may think about the demon....it will try and entice you...justify itself...make all this marvelous sence .....but in reality we all know its just the disease talkin you down....how ever you get clean ( and sub worked wonders for me)...you will eventually have to wean yourself from sub...its not the same as coming off you opiate of choice....but even though it helped you get off your pill obsession it is still an opiate that you are taking ....and after a while if you don't wean yourself you have just traded addictions.....sub is not cheap either...my insurance charged $100.00 for 20 8mg....thats alot still.....I hope to stay true to my commitment to quit and never relapse....to have that continual monkey on your back filling your mind with negative **** all the time...feeling so low and depressed...it sucks and I've been thru every heart wrenching emotional feeling described on these boards....but you can doit , I can do it....we are powerles over the disease...you need help...either thru frinds and family support, rehab, sub, meetings....your higher power...give it over... |
10-20-2006, 06:27 PM
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Cranky,
Give yourself a break. You'll quit when you are ready. |
10-20-2006, 07:03 PM
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sub is not cheap either...my insurance charged $100.00 for 20 8mg....thats alot still.
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I think it really depends on your insurance plan. I picked up my script today ..I take the 2 mg pills and it was only the $50 co pay
for 180 pills. Now granted these are the 2 mg not the 8 mg but this will take care of me for 30 days and is the same cost that I used to spend on an average day on percocet.. I call that a BARGAIN! |
10-20-2006, 08:00 PM
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Lisa girl....wow that is cheaper....just depends..I have terrible insurance.....any way wow you have enough sub at 3....2mg a day to last 2 more months.......I guess everybodies doc is differnt in their approach......but I was at a rehab center....who deal with addicts all the time......sub visit is short as possible....my addict in me says wow I wish my doc was more easy going about my wean and then on the other hand I am glad to DONE DONE with all pills.....Please I hope no one takes offense to my obsession with weaning off sub...its just what I HAD to do....no choice unless I wanted to start playing the obsession game again...what ever works for all of you is good for me... |
10-20-2006, 08:58 PM
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Lisa girl....wow that is cheaper....just depends..I have terrible insurance.....any way wow you have enough sub at 3....2mg a day to last 2 more months.......I guess everybodies doc is differnt in their approach......but I was at a rehab center....who deal with addicts all the time......sub visit is short as possible....my addict in me says wow I wish my doc was more easy going about my wean and then on the other hand I am glad to DONE DONE with all pills.....Please I hope no one takes offense to my obsession with weaning off sub...its just what I HAD to do....no choice unless I wanted to start playing the obsession game again...what ever works for all of you is good for me...
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Actually it is only a month's supply at 6 mg a day but still, like I said way cheaper than I'm sure all of us were paying for the other meds. And no liver damage!!
My doctor hasn't even mentioned a plan for tapering. Hell, he didn't even tell me when to schedule another appointment! I guess when I run out... he's really left me to myself to figure all of this out as opposed to what help some of you are getting.. A prime example of you get what you pay for..[V][V] |
10-21-2006, 02:00 AM
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Hi there I was wondering if anyone had been through a detox while pregnant or gone to a doctor while prego and been told they cant or actually just want to know ANYTHING that was said. I want to detox so bad I ran out today and know from experiance i cant do it on my own already feeling cruddy...its 12:51 am and still not sleepy...UGH helpppp!!!! I know you have to be going through withdrawls to start suboxone <sp?> treatment...can those of you who have gone through the treatment give me an idea on how long you had to wait on your first appt? I went ot the website and found doctors in my area.... tommorow is saturday unfortunatly i will try to call anyway maybe one on the list will be open saturdays....I feel the quicker i get started the more likely I am to get through it....or i may lose my nerve know what i mean? I do have insurance and trying to get into website to see what they cover as far as substance abuse. willupdate later on that stupid pin number isnt working...grrr thanks for letting me ramble on all!!!! it happens right... |
10-21-2006, 02:54 AM
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Girlie Girl,
Thanks for the input. I tried to go off the Darvocet on Friday again and made it 17 hours but caved because of the restless feeling and inability to sleep. I am doing this for a couple of reasons. One, I just want to get off so I can have a clear mind again. Two, I am moving to Southern California from the Midwest for a new job and I have about 3 weeks to hopefully sober up before I start my new job.
I plan on hopefully gettin off of them cold turkey this week. I fly out to California this upcoming Wed. night and come back Sunday night. I'm going there to look for an apt. I plan to stop taking the drugs wed. Morning and not bring any with me to California. That way I will have no access to the drug at all. Then I will have no choice but to go through the pure hell of withdrawal. Hopefully I can help keep my mind off of it while looking for a new place to live. I know I wont be able to sleep which is the worst part for me. I dont have health insurance right now so a doctor assisted withdrawal is not an option. I have tried tylenol PM and it doesnt seem to help much when going through withdrawal. I guess I will just pace around the hotel room at night without sleep. It will be hell but hopefully I can make it.
Girlie Girl, you said you had Chrones correct? I understand how you feel to an extent. I have Ulcerative Colitis, as well as arthritis caused by this disease which is similar to RA. Unfortunately I cant take many drugs for the arthritis because of my colon and many arent approved for UC by the FDA. A ray of hope for me is that Rhemicade was recently approved by the FDA for people with Ulcerative Colitis. Many with RA have told me this is a miracle drug. It is has already been approved for Chrones for awhile now. I also take methotrexate for the arthritis and Asacol for my UC. I cant afford to get Rhemicade on my own right now, but as soon as I am working again I will have health insurance and can start taking it hopefully. Between this and the nice weather in Southern California I hope to turn the corner on my pain without the need for painkillers.
Wish me luck, I dont know how I can do it this upcoming week, and I dread it. Hopefully by this next Sunday I will have sobered up enough to resist the urge to take the drug when I get back. I fear the physical discomfort more than anything mental. I can overcome the mental part, its the restless feeling and lack of sleep among other things that I dread.....
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10-21-2006, 03:53 AM
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Lisa,
I am worried to read that you still have your pills. That is very dangerous to your recovery, don't you think? You are doing so well with the suboxone so far, why tempt fate? |
10-21-2006, 09:48 AM
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Mammoto.....If you do not get a doc on Sat you surely will be plenty enough in w/d by Monday....if fact you will probably be going nuts....do you have comfort meds....like xanax or soma...just to take the edge off...or something to help you sleep.....take a hot bath......as far as being pregnant...not sure of effects of any of these drugs perhaps go to prescription drug web site....best to you...get clean for your baby.... |
10-21-2006, 09:53 AM
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Julie moony.....where in southern cal....will you be moving....my insurance did not cover...so basically I paid cash for my detox...which was not to bad compared to all the money I had been spending on vikes..I am near so. cal myself....the suboxone web page gives a list of docs who deal with sub....they are all different in their approach and the cost as well....some docs rip you off...and charge an excessive amount...jerks...just taking advantage of addicts...but there are some people out there who truly have a heart for the addict and will help regardless of the money.... |
10-21-2006, 10:02 AM
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Lisa girl...those doing sub....starting sub...thinking about it...........I timed my pill supply to the the very last hour...so I would not have any left.....if I had any lying around I surely would have taken them......the pills will call your name.....its hard enough knowing I have 2 refills waiting with just a phone call away....I won't but it enters my minds.....opiate w/d.....from my experience I do believe we go thru hot sweats and being cold alternately..its just part of the w/d .....detox process...I have been experiencing that as well....and I don't think its related purely to hormones...because I have related and spoke to young men..who have experienced the same hot flash type thing...... |
10-21-2006, 10:05 AM
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Hey all,
21 days clean today, very excited about that! I woke up thinking about what that means, and far it seems like I came.
LisaGirl, I say positive things because I really need to feel it, the only way I will feel it is if I keep saying it, (regarding my crazy love for life). I think that comes from a background in racing, and thinking about winning, even though inside, I am scared ****less! Trust me, I am craving out of boredom, and constantly remingind myself why I am doing this. The funny thing is, the thing that gets me through beyond anything, (besides the obvious stuff), is that my doctor is not getting that report from the state showing how much I am getting from my various doctors. Even better, the doctor bills are gone, the feeling of begging for my pills and seeming desperate. I hate the feeling of needing. That feeling of boredom you describe I think is the normal part of withdrawls. I am still getting that, that is why I wondered if one of the people who have done this a long time can say, how long does that last? I hate that more than anything.
Sorry to go on.
Patmamma
Cranky, you just need to take your first steps, this will all come together for you!
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10-21-2006, 11:00 AM
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Mammoto.....If you do not get a doc on Sat you surely will be plenty enough in w/d by Monday....if fact you will probably be going nuts....do you have comfort meds....like xanax or soma...just to take the edge off...or something to help you sleep.....take a hot bath......as far as being pregnant...not sure of effects of any of these drugs perhaps go to prescription drug web site....best to you...get clean for your baby....
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Actually I dont have any comfort drugs thats whats wiggin me out about havin to wait til monday monday is quite aways away from satuday when you stopped friday morning....my track record has been pretty consistent about giving up on the second day I wake up and feel like ****. I have started calling docs on the list from the suboxone website no luck so far on a doc open today and can answer my one important question about doing this while prego....sigh... oh well still got a few more to go. thank you for your response I appreciate the support...immensely!! |
10-21-2006, 11:25 AM
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Thanks all for the words of encouragement. Lisa, you relly hit the nail on the head when you said that life is just kinda boring without percocets - I'm paraphrasing what you said, but that is the exact feeling that drew me back to the pills. I'm glad you're strong - don't even be tempted, but it's heartening to know that we all experience the same sorts of feelings. I have no doubt that sub works, but I would like to hear more about how people do when they go OFF the sub - in my mind that's the key. I'm such a weenie, I start feeling panicky when anything that feels remotely like WD starts to happen. Anyhow, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH for not judging me and for the support. It makes a huge world of difference for me. I will eventually get my mind around this, I just have to want to quit. I think one of the keys for me will be to quit smoking. I was never really a smoker, just smoked "socially", but I've found that Norco and cigarattes go together like salt and pepper (peanut butter and jelly?) and I really ENJOY smoking only with Norcos. Soooo, if I quit smoking, perhaps the Norcos won't be quite as nice. Rambling here - but, it's making sense to me. Hope everyone has a great, clean and squeaky weekend. |
10-21-2006, 09:11 PM
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Hello all..
I hear your concern about still having the pills... but in my mind if the only reason I am not taking the percs is because they are not here, that is not success or recovery. I don't know why I keep them (other than having spent so much money on them it would be painful to just toss them) but it comforts me to know that they are here. If I didn't have them I would obsess about not having any. I know this probably makes no sense... it's just kind of like the wanting what you can't have thing. I know I could have them should I CHOOSE to... but I am CHOOSING not to eat pills today. If one day I decide I want to use, I will use whether or not I have pills in my house at the moment. I don't know if this makes sense.. but it does to me. Kaidog..I know you still have your pills..do you understand what I am getting at? I think it actually helps me stay clean, rather than threatening it. But I know there are those who will disagree.
Today I did crave the percocet I will admit. I don't understand all you sub users who have NO cravings.. I didn't at first but I find I want them now. I will choose not to take them because I have a lot invested at this point..and the cravings are not horrible, but they are there. I long for the edge to be taken off of my now crystal clear view of life.. a little fog.. why is that? Why is that what we crave? A dulled view of reality... I don't know but I had a beer today. I rarely drink anymore but it helped a bit.
I wonder if my cravings exist because in reality I really wasn't ready to quit? I quit because I was tired of spending the money and I wanted more energy, but maybe deep down I didn't WANT it as much as many of you did. I said all along that I felt it was something I SHOULD do..not necessarily something I WANTED to do. Last year when I quit cold turkey I WANTED it and had no cravings..now even with the aid of the suboxone I still miss my yellow friends. No fear for the near future anyway.. I am giving this a fair chance..Two weeks ago tonight I took my last perocoet. Never before have I really really understood the "one day at a time" cliche. I understood what they were saying but I really didn't GET it. Tonight I get it.
Thanks all for listening to me ramble. Hope you are all having a wonderful night.... |
10-21-2006, 10:58 PM
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hi all
i ve been throough 5 days of detox and well, its been ok they gave me meth for 4 days and valium and now i have nothing im still going through w/d and it really sucks i plan to go to an N?A meeting soon but i think they took me off the the meth to soon, after 16 years of abuseing any kind of pain killers i could get they go any discharged me with no meth i need to find a meth clinic in my area but none that i know of and i live ina city thast has crack right up the street from me! aint that just great anyway i do feel better after coming form detox ive been clean since 10/16/06 and i dont really want to go back on pills but im stuck i feel a bit of a cravong but im not gonna give in i came to far so if anyone knows of a meth clinic i can go to or a web site i can find out please i would appraite it.
I do feel better overall though but the w/d is still there just a bit so i took one of my sons clonodine and it seems to be helping temparty but im still got a long raod ahead.
keep up the good work all of you that are in recovery your sucess stories keep me going.
i live in new york orange county if any one knows of a meth clinic there please let me know thsnk you so much!
luv n hugs
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