[tinkers]

John,

How are you today? Like I said you are just like use me and wife we were so messed up that we almost lost everything my cars house all of it we are in chapter 13 right now because of those pills they came first and I mean first we would buy them when ever we had money and we would eat up to 50 a day sometimes more and when we started the sub that was it we stoped just like that we went to the doc together started the sub and here we are today with money in our pocket and bills payed that is a big deal for us it can be done as easy as 1,2,3 you will be amazed. Just a little side note my youngest daughter will be 5 on the 19 and we will be having a party at chucky cheese well on her 1st birth day we were so bad on pills we no money at all for her people were showing up for a party and we had nothing not even a cake let alone money to by food for these people you know how bad that mad me feel that I was so messed up the drugs came before my kids and now only because of god and suboxone we are free of that and it feels realy good so if I did it Or I should say we anyone can do it.

Suboxone works give it a chance!

[sparky]

Johntrav.......the suboxone works....it took me a long to get convinced but I have done it and I am free of my opiate addcition....if you are so worried about w/d feelings (as I was)...my doc precribed some comfort meds like xanax and soma (just a few)..these don't hit the opiate receptors in the brain so you can quit your opiates the night before you doc visit and then go in the morning and wait until you are enough in w/d to take sub...if its a good doc they will monitor when you are ready...if you have to do it at home (which many have) take the docs advice and then all who have started sub on this board...it works

Nitetripper....so loved that analogy of "changing seats on the Titanic'...hit the nail right on the head....so as I have said (and in my opinion) wean off sub ASAP....give yourself 10 -30 days to wean...each person will varie....

to all starting sub....and when you get off sub, yes you won't feel 100% but you will be 95% better than if you'd come straight off your opiate cold turkey.....it makes getting off easier...but you still have to get energy back...and normal sleep patterns back...........because I don't know about you all but I pretty much passed out every night on my opiates....

Uncle nasty...when did you get your energy back after you got off opiates....I believe in the power of excercise endorphines...but my energy level is low....

[cindy lou]

Hi! I started Suboxene today (8mg). I went to a methadone clinic because I could not get into a doctor and I want to get clean right away. They will only start you out at 4mg and then you have to wait an hour to see if it helps. If not, then they give you another 4mg and you can wait to see it works (if it doesn't, then they give another 4mg and so on). The 4mg did not do much so I took another 4mg and I had to leave (I had been there since 5am and it was already 10:30am). I felt better at first, but about 2 hours ago I began to have massive cravings and now I feel like I'm going through mild withdrawals. I've actually thought about taking about 10-15 vicodins to see if I can get high. When I go back tomorrow morning they said I can take 12mg, but right now it's tough. Any helpful advise? I've been "lurking" around here for about week and you all are such a supportive group.

Thanks for your help!

Cindy Lou

[sparky]

cindy Lou....please don't step backwards...get rid of the vikes...you are on the way to be free from them.....how many hours do you need to wait till tomorrow morning......did they give you any suboxone for the evening dose..... the clinic should keep in mind the amount of time before you come back for more meds.....quick detox is good....hang in there....do you have comfort drugs...that don't hit the opiate receptors in your brain such as xanax or soma....take a hot bath....did you get a sleep aid....try these things...don't let the enemy (your addiction) take you down....you already took the biggest step ,,,,,getting to the clinic and taking the first dose....you go for it............and I'm sure you at least don't have the creepy crawly feeling...you may be a little uncomfortable but is'nt it lly kinda doable???..just don't go automatic pilot and reach for vikes......ok

[sparky]

cindy lou..if you do takes vikes tonight and then go to the meth clinic in the morning and take sub you will get sick...( I believe) you have to be enough in w/d to take sub or you will be sent into horrendous w/d sickness...because you took sub to soon...that is why clinic is being so careful with you....

[cindy lou]

Sparky- Thanks for the encouragement! I did not take any vikes. I just got busy doing some housework (something I've let go) and called a friend who is going the same thing (he's 1wk on Sub). I feel much better now. That was an intense couple of hours. I was climbing the walls! You are so right about automatic pilot! I have Xanax, but they cause me to feel more depressed. I think now that my kids are up from their naps and my husband will be home soon, I'll be okay. I do take Trazodone to help me sleep. I can go to the clinic anytime between 5am and 1pm. I am going to get there at 5am so I can get home before my husband leaves for work. I don't want to take my children there. Are these intense "hot flashes" from the sub or withdrawals? I've done c/t countless times and don't remember all the sudden getting steaming hot. Thanks again for responding. How are you doing today?

Cindy Lou

[johntrav]

Tink, man u have no idea how much we do have in common.I have a daughter thats is 5 yrs also and chapter 13(been there and doing it now for exact same reason) along with opiates one of the worst mistakes i ever made,i mean man do they have you buy the nuts or what? Anyway thinks for your kind words and was just wondering your age? Im 32 been married for 12 yrs and have one daughter.

Hi all, Thanks for your advice and i am going monday to the doc to start the sub. First payment is $200.00 and then my meds and they said i have to come right back take the meds and sit there for a few hours to make sure im ok(that scares me)I take around 400mg a day of opiates and if they start me at a low dose then im gonna be freaking the heck out. I cant take anything sunday after 12am and my appointent is at 9am. Please tell me that they didnt let you guys stay in withdrawls for long before uping the dosage right there on the spot!If they start me on 4mg that want touch it im assuming or am i wrong? I am although excited about the money i will save, For example this week i have spent well over $1000.00 dollars on pills and i just cant do it anymore.I make pretty good money and have sold cars on the side and different things on ebay to finance this addiction and the money just isnt there like it use to be.That sickens me to even write that but thats one reason i have to quit.I was low the other day and was so bad in withdrawls i paid 5 dollars a pill for 100 5mg loratab.Is that desperate or what,then when i eat them in one day i was even more sick.Hope everyone is doing good and i will be thinking of all of you and your inspirational stories monday in the docs office,i am very very scared of whats to come but i have just run out of options at this point.

Thank You All!

[Kaidog]

johntrav:

"i am very very scared of whats to come but i have just run out of options at this point."

Running out of options isn't a bad thing.................. it's actually a good thing if it gets you into treatment.

You'll love the suboxone! You'll actually wonder why you waited so long to do it. Rather than counting how many days she has been clean, LISA GIRL has been counting the money she's saving. I think it's a great idea.

You may spend a day or two getting your sub dose dialed-in but it truly will be life changing. As depressing as all the lies and loss of self respect are, the sub will return hope to you and will cause you to realize that there is a better tomorrow waiting for you.

Congratulations on your decision to get clean.

Again, it is only the running out of options which has brought you to this place. That's a great thing!

Clean Date = 09/12/06

[johntrav]

kaidog, since u put it like that i guess it is a goodthing. However i am still very nervoues although this is what is best for me i am so scared of it not working and then if i did take pills to stop the withdrawls they say that the suboxone blocks your receptors so there would be no relief from the withdrawls if it dosent work and thats why i am so worried.I no everyone else story is that its worked well for them but it just seems i dont have the best luck with things and if theres one person out of 100 it want work on then im that ONE!But thank you for your response and encouragment it means alot to me that all of you here have replied to my questions and helps to no im not he only one going through this hell!

[patmamma]

Hey everyone!
I made it home alive! I rode my mountain bike like I stole it, but I am here! Yay!

I thought alot about this mouth surgery i have coming up on the 2nd. I will really be sad to have to take something for the pain, but I wonder if I could survive without it! I hope you all dont think less of me if I have to start all over again. I feel so great, without drugs, I will need to remind myself of that. Today is day numero 18! Hard to believe that! I am psyched to get to the one month point, just intime for my surgery. ****ola!

Johntrav, I am proud of how your thinking has developed since I was gone! Wow! What a great group we have! You all are so awesome, your advise is so well thought out, I loved reading the posts and seeing what a supportive group this is!

Good job Kaidog on your progress, it seems to be getting easier dont you think?

Patmamma------cito

[LISA GIRL]

JohnTrav.. Spend the time before your docvisit reading more about the sub. Like I said, I have never heard of anyone not having it work for the physical withdrawals.. Just be honest with your doctor about the amount of pills you are taking so they can give you the correct starting dose. I have been on the sub for a week and 1/2. Today I had some weird dizzy/sweating episodes. Not sure if that was too much or too little or the fact that I had a lot of caffeine but other than that relatively smooth sailing.. a few cravings here and there esp yesterday but no problems with physical withdrawal. Sleeping great. And saving LOTS of money!!

UncleNasty...I live in South Aurora... Probably not up to much intensive training til Spring time.. I have a lot on my plate til then.. figuratively not literally.. well maybe that too! ha. Right now just going to Curves..used to go to Aurora Athletic Club before they closed a year or two ago.. What area are you in?

Cindy Lou.. Good work and stay strong... You have made a very important first step...!

Kaidog.. 1/10 of a year huh? WOW that is great. Seems like just yesterday you were in your inital w/d....

[coachdave]

Patmamma,
It's not starting over unless you take the meds to get high. If you take them only for pain, and take only the bare minimum necessary to bring the pain level down to a bearable level, then you aren't relapsing. I really try not to give advice, but if you haven't told your dentist that you are addicted to pain meds then you should. Put any obstacle you can between you and easy access to prescriptions. For my first year of recovery, I made my wife go with me to see a doctor, even my regular doctor. Barriers are very important to recovery. Perhaps you could give the pills to someone who could dose them out to you. Your call, though, on how you handle it. I wish you the best with this.

Johntrav,
You are responsible for YOUR recovery. Don't try to take on more than you can handle. Unclenasty is right, it's not your fault. Don't worry about the withdrawals. The meds will work. I'm not saying that it will be easy, but the payoff is worth it. Look to the future because there is hope. Much love brother, you can do it.

It's a beautiful day in East Tennessee and I am CLEAN!!!

Just For Today

[coachdave]

Cindy lou,
The "hot flashes" are part of withdrawals. I had them constantly, especially at night when I was trying not to take pills just to sleep. I wanted to save them for work or whatever during the day. Hang in there!
David

Just For Today

[patmamma]

CoachDave, Good point on having someone there as a barrier. I like what you said about taking the pain pills for real pain. I agree. I also think if I stay on this site, I should be more honest about what I am doing, and not take the pills for recreation. I am a little scared about all of this, the fact that it is scheduled in one and 1/2 weeks, kind of gives me way too much time to think. I think way too much!

LisaGirl, I am glad to hear you are doing so well! I think you have been a great inspiration to alot of people!

Take care everyone!
Patmamma

[LISA GIRL]

Thanks Patmamma... I wish I were feeling a little better lately.. I had so much energy just a few days ago! But the important thing is I am off the percocet.. sometimes I do wish I could have gone cold turkey..there is such a feeling of accomplishment when you are able to do that.

[nymommy]

johntrav~ the sub will definitly help w/ all your needs ( w/ds cravings) im a month clean..i've been lucky, as i never had to battle cravings..never!, but i did have a problem in the beginning adjusting my dose..i was sick/weird for 2-3 days dont be discouraged if you stay committed, you will find the correct dose.. i'd like to think of myself as an almost success story...hoping to be getting off the sub within a month............you are on the right path..taking this step and staying committed, will lead to a successful outcome..good luck.....

[unclenasty93]

Sparky,

I think the only way you shouldn't excercise is if you have so little energy you can barely get off the couch. For me, feeling a lack of energy would not prevent a workout. You gotta do it anyway. Your energy will come back faster if you are excercising. It also is tremendous for you emotionally. It sounds like you like to feel those endorphins, get that "runner's high". I love it. Bust your ass, don't let lack of energy stop you, go through it! Feel the burn!


Lisa Girl,

I am in Aurora too, though I am moving soon. I want to get a loft downtown somewhere. At Curves do they have you doing pretty much the same routine over and over? If so, you will plateau eventually. I know some of those places have a circuit they use that never changes. I don't know if Curves is like that. Spring sounds just about right. I guess I also have quite a bit on my plate for now and shouldn't commit to anything else for a while. See ya. mike.

[tinkers]

John,

Thats so funny I think we might be the same person I'm 33 and have been married 12 yrs also, wow I hear you when you say you feel responsible for your wife I do to I cant just sit back and watch her suffer thats why I mad her go on sub and she was so happy I did good luck your doing the right thing.

Suboxone works give it a chance!

[tinkers]

All,

I was just wundering if any of you that are on the sub if you would get like a spasum or involintary movment of your legs at night its very odd and it dont happen any more but me and my wife would both have like one good kick in bed before we went to sleep it was kind of funny it has stoped now but has that happened to anyone else.

cindylou,

I would get the hot flashes also, they have seem to lightened up now but they were pretty good for the first month but not that much trouble all the side effects of the sub were not bad compared to the pills.

Suboxone works give it a chance!

[cindy lou]

Hi everyone! I went to the clinic this morning at 5am (didn't get outta there until 6:40am!) and they gave me 12mg Suboxone. I feel a little dizzy right now, but nothing I can't handle! They said if I started feeling craving and/or withdrawals to come back before 1pm and they will give me another 4mg. I hate going to that place! I have to go early so I can get home before my husband leaves for work because I do not want to take my kids to the meth clinic!

Johntrav- I was taking 50-60 vikes a day or drinking 8-10oz of the vicodin cough syrup. I took 3oz of hycotuss at 4pm on Tues. and went to the clinic on Wednesday morning. They gave me my first dose (4mg) at 9:15am and I was feeling okay at 10am. I did go back and take another 2mg because the withdrawal feelings weren't gone. After that I felt much better! Please try the Sub. It does not make me feel high, just okay. I have gone cold turkey sooooo many times, and I knew that I would not be able to do it this time.

Hope you all are doing good today! Thanks for the support.

Cindy Lou

[Kaidog]

Pat-Mamma-cito:

Don't worry about the pain meds. If you need them post-op, then you need them. If not, so be it but we forget sometimes that they were invented for a reason.............. that being of course pain control. If you have to take them to deal with the pain, that's not abuse by any stretch.

Who knows, you may be pleasantly surprised with the lack of pain. Maybe not. Regardless of what you do, you're still a friend to many here.

Clean Date = 09/12/06

[patmamma]

Lisa Girl, I dont think it really matters how you quit, its just that you quit! It reminds me of childbirth, some people do it without drugs, and others, like myself, went for the epidural. I used to feel bad that i couldnt do it, but now, I look at the end result, and its the same! We will have this beautiful sobriety in the end, and it doesnt matter how we got there. I am really sorry to hear you arent feeling well. I hope its just temporary!

Kaidog, I am pretty much resolved to the idea that I will need to allow myself time to heal. I am also hoping that now, I may not feel pain as sharply as i used to!

Good morning day number 19!
Patmamma

[Kaidog]

Angela For Real:

Where are you woman? Don't make me come looking for you! Drop us a line or two to let us know how you're doing.

Kranky:

You too dude. If'en you don't want to post, feel free to email me. Clean or not I hope you are doing well.



Clean Date = 09/12/06

[patmamma]

I can hear the crickets chirping, where is everyone?[:0]
Patmamma

[Kaidog]

quote:Originally posted by patmamma

I can hear the crickets chirping, where is everyone?[:0]
Patmamma

No kidding. It's really dead in here today. People really shouldn't let work get in the way of their posting!

Clean Date = 09/12/06

[LISA GIRL]

quote:Originally posted by Kaidog

No kidding. It's really dead in here today. People really shouldn't let work get in the way of their posting!

Clean Date = 09/12/06

HAHAHA. I'm here. Feeling better today but still some scary dizzy episodes. Not sure what that means. Have the follow up with the doctor tomorrow but not too confident in him I must admit.

How is everyone doing today? TINKERS.... I did read somewhere someone talking about a leg twitch or spasm or something like that cuz of the sub.. Not sure where I read it though and I didn't pay much attention because I haven't had them.. If I run across it again, I will sure to let you know what it says.

[LISA GIRL]

http://www.heroin-detox.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10340

TINKERS... FOUND THAT THREAD.. SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE NOT ALONE WITH YOUR LEG TWITCHING PROBLEM.. Hope it's ok to post a link from another site.. have seen it done here before though... good luck!

[johntrav]

Hi everyone, Sorry i never much comment on anyones post but most of the stuff thats asked then you would need to have been there and done that and i have no insight on any of the "hot flashes,leg spasms, dizzy spells" but would like to say that im am getting more nervoues by the day about coming off and depending only on the sub.Especially if with the sub im gonna have these side effects you guys keep mentioning, though i do know it is still better then being strung out on these pills. I just am still very afraid and i think am looking for any reason to change my mind.I do plan on going and doing what needs to be done to be clean but would be lying if i claimed not to be scared.

ONE OTHER QUESTION: DO I HAVE TO GO TO THE DOC EVERYDAY TO GET MY MEDS,MEANING I CANT TAKE MY MEDS HOME? THE DOC IM SEEING IS A FREAKING HOUR A WAY,ILL HAVE TO RIDE A FREAKING MOPED IF I HAVE TO GO EVERYDAY!

[sparky]

No....you can get a prescription for sub ...just call around

[LISA GIRL]

John.. I just got a prescription for my sub. My doctor didn't even have me take the first dose in his office.