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10-13-2006, 11:21 AM
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Here I am, Day 7 with no Norcos, and Day One with no Kratom (Cold Turkey - where the heck did that expression come from anyhow?). I feel OK! Just a bit unsettled and slightly groggy (maybe just sleepy), but no WD symptoms and no real cravings (the longing is still there). I think I''m home free!!! It was almost too easy, after only a week. I keep telling you guys, this Kratom is amazing stuff. (Consideting I was taking 80-120 mg of Norco per day.)I'm not naive enough to think that just because something is herbal or "natural" that it's necessarily better for you, but results speak for themselves. I guess I shouldn't get ahead of myself - although it's been almost 24 hrs since my last "serving" of Kratom, and yesterday I only took half of what I usually take. Well - here's to good luck and good wishes to everyone going into the weekend - the hardest time for me. Try to stay distracted! |
10-13-2006, 01:41 PM
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Cranky,
The term "cold turkey" comes from the comparison of what a plucked turkey looks like compared to the goosebumps and white pallor skin from drug withdraw. I did not know that when you asked the question, but looked it up on the Internet out of curiosity in response to your question. Maybe it's not such a good comparison, but anybody who has suddenly quit taking pain pills knows what that term means. I am happy for you to hear that you are doing so well with the withdraw using the Kratom. I have never heard of it. I do know what the Suboxone has done for me. Of all the people that have posted who have tried it I haven't seen one legitimate negative comment. There are people who have some trouble getting the dosage established correctly , but even they do well once that is straightened out. There might be a slight effect of sleepiness at times, but a cup of coffee fixes that. Good luck Superman(a pun based on the comparison of kryptonite to Katom)-- but it's like you said -- if it works for you that's what really matters. Take care.
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10-13-2006, 02:07 PM
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Thanks, Fritz, for the CT explanation - I guess I could have looked it up myself - duh. It's a pretty apt term; I remember feeling like a refrigerated, plucked turkey - or chicken, as the case may be - not a good feeling at all. Superman - KRYPTONITE - I Love It!! There even a kinda old song - I'll never look at "Kratom" the same! |
10-13-2006, 03:52 PM
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Fritz.. Thanks for the link.. I'll check it out! and for the history on the phrase "cold turkey." You are a faunt of information today!
Cranky.. That is awesome that you are doing well with NA-DA today! I know that unsettled feeling.. I don't like it.. Just keep busy..that is all you can do. Take a hot shower or bath...maybe go back to the beginning of this thread and read some old inspirational posts! The weekend will be difficult.. for me too.. 4 mg of sub already today (2 pm) I am feeling well on sub day #5. better every day although feeling like I am taking the sub more frequently...maybe not more but wanting to dose after fewer hours each day... I am limiting myself though... however after last night's conversation have definitly decided not to worry about it.. at least not til I meet with my doctor... Angela is going to ask Doc K a few things for me too (YEA ANGELA!!!) and I he won't even charge me like my doctor does for a phone call!! |
10-13-2006, 04:12 PM
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Hey all,
It is so good to hear that everyone is doing so well...at least as of this morning.
Well to any who read my post last night, didn't mean to sound so depressed. Not nearly that bad, should of seen me three weeks ago.
Lisa Girl - keep up the good work...try to do something you enjoy this weekend. You should reward yourself...perhaps some "retail therapy"
Fritzerman - you are a wealth of knowledge, I enjoy reading your posts.
Kranky - Good to hear you are doing well.
Kaidog - Congrats on being over a month old |
10-13-2006, 04:39 PM
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Fritz, thank you for link. I am wanting the Suboxone, trying real hard to get things together for the doctor that I am finally going to. They still want labs, physcial, drug test, etc. etc., but anyway, I want all the info I can get. Especially where depression is concerned. I tried going cold turkey, but was weak and kept using my Vicodin. I only have a few more days left to take though, so hopefully by then I'll be able to see the doctor and try Suboxone. I've tried cold turkey so many times, but the depression is so awful. I actually get suicidal. So I know I have to do something. OK, so sorry for the rambling. I just wanted to thank Fritz for the link, not go off on a rambling letter. Have a great weekend all. You're all doing so well. You keep me so inspired, even though right now I am very weak. I'll get there....I just know it. Sorry for any typos. At work and no time to proof read.
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10-13-2006, 05:05 PM
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quote:Originally posted by LISA GIRL
Pamamma.. With all due respect, have you read my other posts?
I only ask because if so, you would see that I am not comfortable with the "high" I get from the sub. I don't think it is a normal reaction and I didn't want it. If I wanted to get a real high, I have about 50 percocet easily acccessible (I know I know) . I was not seeking approval for an "extra dose" of sub.. only "another dose." I am still taking less than what was prescribed me by my doctor. I am worried about one day getting off the sub, and that is why I was seeking advice. So actually that is a better way to put it.. seeking advice and not approval.
I am not "liking it too much" and I am not trying to take more to create any feeling, I took an additional dose because I had strong cravings for perocet, which of course, are the real enemy here. And again, I am not seeking approval, only advice from others who have gone before on the sub.
I know you were not trying to be offensive.. none taken.. I just think you misunderstood why I took a dose last night ..read the posts.. I didn't want a sub high.. I wanted to NOT have percocet cravings.. and after all, that IS what the sub is for....
| Hello. I don't know what to do. In the beginning I was skeptical about taking any Suboxone. My Doctor told me to take the prescribed 24mg. I didn't want to but now I am. I know you are supposed to feel "normal" when you take Suboxone but I start to sweat in the late afternoon, 3 hours before my last dose. I take 12 mg. in the morning and 12 mg at around 6:00 P.M. My Physician says he does not like to give anything above 24mg. but again, I start really sweating around 3:30-4:00 and if I am supposed to feel just normal, I am not, rather, I feel I am going through withdrawal (I think). |
10-13-2006, 05:41 PM
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hey every..just wanted to say.i havent forgotten anyone...i have been on the sub over 3 weeks, with, what i can say, success...my dose is low, cravings...none!!!!!!!!i never had courage to go ct, and with the information i got here...learned about the sub....lisa, angela kaidog..all have given me support ( as have others)..i feel i'm too soon to tout my success, but i am here to support others who might have questions about sub~~~~~~~~~when i started i craved information from anyones experience, so if anyone has questions....hope i can help~i'll never i forget how i relied on this forum, and how everyone came thru for me..always  ..hope i can do the same~~~~~~~~~~~lazer how ya doing?? angela/kaidog~~whats up[?][?] |
10-13-2006, 06:34 PM
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AmyBreeze, nice to hear from you, thanks for posting. Don't be so hard on yourself, you are with people that think a lot like you when it comes to altering the mental state. You'll do what you have to when you want to. Part of being healthy is being easier on yourself.
NYmommy, good to have you post too. Excellent that you are doing so well. |
10-13-2006, 07:48 PM
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hi all ive been reading alot about sub im definalty an addict i hsve been one for 16 years it just the past four years have been rough im going to detox on monday for 5 days they are treating me with methadone and valium. i cant take the addction anymore i took so many pills tonight that im scared i ODed i know alot of you have probably taking more than me but the symtoms i m haveing are a little high pulse nad a bit of chest pain but notrhung to seriuos my hubby thinks its my aniexty cuz im on klonopin for that and the detox center is taking me off that too i suffer from anixety d/o and i dont know what to do about that they said they will give me valium instead but i thought valium was more addicting then klonpin...im really nervous tonight about how many pills i took so if there is anyone there to reasure me please respond i think i might have taking it to far but im looking forward to going to detox i cant wait till monday this addction is SO BLOODY bad i caNT i cant take it anymore monday seems so far away i congradulate all of you for getting off those demons with sub i hope that the methadone helps with my chronic painas well as the w/d is there hope did i od? some help please!!!!!!!!!!!!
luv n hugs,
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10-13-2006, 08:05 PM
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Morticia...I am not sure any of us will feel comfortable giving you medical advice in this situation.. What did you take and how much? How much higher was this than your regular dose? I do know that there have been times that I have taken what I thought was "way too many " percocet and felt like i might have o.ded.... I had similar symptoms.. chest pain and rapid heart beat...but I just waited it out and they did go away..Of course, that doesn't mean that is what YOUR situation is... Is there any chance that the detox center can get you in before Monday?
If you feel scared, it might be best to go to the E.R. just to give yourself peace of mind....I am sure everything is fine but you might just want to make sure... We wish you well... good luck and let us know how you are doing... |
10-13-2006, 08:48 PM
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hi Lisa ,
thank you for your quick response i took 4 vikes 7.5's then another 4, 3 hours apart and im feeling paraniod i dont wanna go to the Er cuz im too afraid but my heart rate went down and my hubby is watching over me, reasurring me. i KNOW IN the past ive taking more but tonight i just feel paraiod .maybe its just knowing that going to detox is making me scared i never went to detox before even when i was on coke and crack i quit that cold turkey.
thank you agian for your supprt and ill let you know how im doing
luv n hugs
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10-13-2006, 08:56 PM
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Morticia,
Everyone on this board feels for you and knows the anxiety of wanting to get off the drugs but being leary of what is coming. Mehtadone is highly addictive in its own right from what i've read, but bettr by far than continuing to use. You said "detox"--does that mean they will maintain you on something after the 5 days?---How many pills did you take tonight? If you where ODing I doubt you would have been able to post the message you did, but post again so we all know you are ok.Goos luck.
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10-13-2006, 09:11 PM
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hi
thank you for your response yes i will be maintained after detox with the methadone proabaly at a clinic i guess your right if i was to od i probably would have already i really cant wait to get off these pills i just want to be free and clean again. i took 4 7.5's vikes 3 hours apart and usually i take 20 10's of perks a day so i dont know what the problem is tonight i guess im just worried about the detox center i heard its a very nice place so i hope they are right
thank you for all the support i really apprciate it ill keep you all posted
luv n hugs
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10-13-2006, 09:13 PM
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Mortcia,
I have done that amount of Vicodin and for someone doing pain pills for a long time that will not be enough to overdose. The anxiety would be normal anticipating the detox. You said you were also going to be taken off the Klonopin. Have you already quit taking those? If so, that would sure caused a lot of anxiety. I have detoxed off Klonopin before and was told that it has a very much longer half-life -- much longer than Valium. "Half-life" means the amount of time the drug stays in your system. If I remember correctly, Klonopin has a half-life of about 12 hours compared to about four to six hours for Valium. For me, getting off the Klonopin was not near his hard as the withdraw from the pain pills. -- -- I am interested why the doctor told you that they were going to use methadone rather than Suboxone. Would you please share that with me. Thank you.
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10-13-2006, 09:13 PM
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Morticia,
Go with your gut feeling. Having been in the same situiation as you in the past I know why you are anxious. Chances are you are fine, but if you are not sure please go to the ER.
As far tapeing off the klonopin, valium is a good crossover drug for tapering but I wouldn't quit the klonopin c/t...check out this benzo site if you want more details on quitting fast acting benzos with a short half life like klonopin by replacing with a longer life benzo valium. www.benzo.org.uk |
10-13-2006, 09:16 PM
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hi fritzman
i guess they are using methadone cuz id been on the pain pills for so long and how high the amount i take plus i suffer from chronic pain so i heard methadone helps with pain, but not sure i guess thats there drug of chioce to wean ppl off pain meds but at this point im willing to try anything just to get off those demons.
i just cant take it anymore i feel worthless . no im still on the klonopin im on 4 mgs total 2 in the mornignand 2 at night i heard getting off klonopin is pure hell. and i dont even abuse it so i dont know why they are taking me off of it .
thanks again for your quick responce you made me feel alot better . ill keep you posted
luv n hugs
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10-13-2006, 09:24 PM
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[?]Lisa,
How have you been doing? hope you are well. I'm just sitting around watching movies. I've done this quite a bit before when I was taking the pain pills. It sure feels better when I'm not. take care |
10-13-2006, 09:54 PM
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quote:Originally posted by fritzerman
[?]Lisa,
How have you been doing? hope you are well. I'm just sitting around watching movies. I've done this quite a bit before when I was taking the pain pills. It sure feels better when I'm not. take care
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Thanks for asking Fritzerman..I'm sitting around and watching a replay
of last night's Gray's Anatomy... 6 mg just doesn't seem to do it for me.. last night I took the ambien and went to bed instead of taking another sub but tonight I may take the 8 as I want to stay up later... funny you say that you like watching movies not on the pills.. I used to love being on the percs and watching tv...maybe that is why I am wanting sub now...conditioned response...other than that doing ok.. lots of energy today.. almost forgot what that feels like.. hey in all your reading on sub have you read anything about any relation to weight gain? Someone on another thread was posting about gaining a lot of weight on methadone and that has me a little worried..i hopd my new orange friend isn't going to pack the pounds on!!
Everyone have a great night...
Tinkers..Haven't heard from you in a bit.. how are you!??
Cranky... Still doing ok without the Kratom?? Let us know how you are. |
10-13-2006, 09:54 PM
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Morticia,
Tell the Dr. to jump in a lake. That is so irritating, totally typical of a Dr. lacking compassion to try and wean you off everything at the same time. These Dr.'s think they are gods just because they got a lot of training and went to school for a long time. Most of them are glorified drug dealers until their patient is addicted then it becomes the patient's fault. Some of them sure lack empathy and common sense. One thing at a time...I would get the pain pills under control first and then deal with the benzos. I realize that most Dr.'s will not go for that but they are idiots...IMHO...goodluck, sorry about the troubles. (I know I am not helpful, I feel better from the rant though, please rant too if it'll make you feel better.) |
10-13-2006, 10:35 PM
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Hey guys, I've been reading your postings for a couple of days and just now decided to register so that I can talk to you. Please don't give up. I am addicted to any and every pain reliever out there. There wasn't one that I wouldn't abuse. What took me down was Oxycontin, but I haven't used anything since May 28, 2004. The detox center I went to gave my Subutex. It worked great for me. The withdrawals from OC's were bad (I'm sure you can relate), but I got past them with the Subutex. I havn't seen much mention of 12 step programs. Have any of you tried them in addition to detox meds? I don't want to preach, but it helped me. Again, don't give up. Life is so good without the misery of active addiction. Much love. David |
10-13-2006, 10:53 PM
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Lisa,
I haven't heard anything about the relationship between Suboxone and gaining weight. My guess is that there is going to be some associated weight gain. I say that because I know that I did not eat as regular when I was taking the pain pills as I have been since going on the Suboxone. I have gained 5 lbs. in 3 weeks. My appetite seems to have increased significantly. Have you noticed whether you have been eating more? For some reason I have an affinity for ice cream now. I would not want to to eat because I was worried the pain pills would not have as strong an affect.
In regard to watching TV, I used to be able to stay up all night watching movies while I was taking the pain pills. My brother would come down from Kansas City and bring movies with him and we would stay up literally all night. He has had several back surgeries and has a prescription for OxyContin. We would take those all-night and watch movies back to back. Now, I have trouble staying awake. I think this is largely due to the fact that I'm waking up early and spending all day at work. I have found a regenerated interest in my job. I have an office here at the house, and I had gotten into the habit of doing a lot of work here while taking long breaks to watch TV or goof off. Lately, I have been putting in more hours. I can come home and does often recliner quite easily. I did not do that when I had plenty of painkillers around to take. For me, they were quite energizing if I took enough. Like everybody else, it got to the point where I can hardly take enough. Glad to have that behind me. If you're taking 8 mg, then you are still at one half of my dosage. I could probably take a little more if I asked my doctor, but I feel plenty fine the way it is.
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10-13-2006, 10:57 PM
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Dave.. Welcome.. Glad to have you here!! Always nice to hear another success story. Some of our regulars here are big proponents of N.A. including ChrisH who just celebrated one year clean...It isn't talked about too often on this thread, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't be welcome to offer what you have taken from N.A. to share with us.. all knowledge and experience are key in recovery. 
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10-13-2006, 11:01 PM
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coachdave,
Are you still on a maintenance dose? I have read several who have posted that continue on the Suboxone for years, and several others who taper off of that after a short period of usage. I have read the explanations for each. I am worried about those who state that there is a severely long-term mental withdrawal if you get off the Suboxone. Any comments?
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10-13-2006, 11:21 PM
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Hi All.....I will try to encourage.....as suboxone has put me on a new path....but the path is still always tested.....I believe I am emottionally detoxing as well....hence one of the reasons I tooks pills....getting in touch with real stuff....not always handling the way you think...expectations of others....how it all affects me....suboxone was a great drug to get me off my vicodin pill obessisson/chase/counting..that whole lifestyle letting that control me....but now off suboxone for 2 weeks....I believe I am still detoxing as I would imagine it would be since sub is also an opiate....I have come to terms with the idea that the sooner off sub the better....my opiate receptors wanted that too....during my sub use I had no cravings....the was the blessing....now its just real life with all the ups and downs....and still being able to say I won't go back to that hellish life....but it does help to have support as coach dave suggested, in the form of NA or such...the 12 step program....some don't need it but for others its what really pulls them thru.....the fellowship...the safe place to share ..people who can relate....ways to get ah-ha moments......tonight I am down, yet I know I will not use...its just life being life..and thats ok |
10-14-2006, 02:10 AM
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hi all
im doing ok im really likking foward to detox on monday, i know what you mean about telling the docs off about getting benzo's i mean i have been on some sort of benzo.s for 7 years and never abused them but for some reason the detox wants me off the klonopin and replace it with valium go figure?
welcome coach dave thanx for sharing your story ..i do have one question does any one have an opinon on NA? doesnt remind anyone of there opiate abuse just sittinmg around talking about getting high and differnt ppls ways of getting high? thats what im scared about the most about detox they have AA and NA speakers there and im afraid talking about it will remind me about my addction and making me want to do it all over again. Any suggestions? thanks
luv n hugs
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10-14-2006, 06:03 AM
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Mortica,
Woke up and came downstairs to get a snack and read your post about NA/AA. I quit drinking in 1988 by going to AA. Also went to NA when I went to rehab for the pain pills last year. People will talk about their experiences, but you won't hear anybody glorifying their drug use. I have no doubt but that your experience with those meetings will be positive. The 12-step program gives you a pretty good way of living life. People tell their stories to explain where they were in the past and where they are now. For me, hearing those stories only reminded me that I never wanted to go back to that way of life. Personally, I liked AA meetings much more than the NA meetings. I just had a better connection with people at AA. At the meetings people talk about the purpose being to share their "experiences, strength and hope". Some groups are better than others, but all in all you will find a lot of support at those meetings. Good luck on Monday.
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10-14-2006, 08:20 AM
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Well Fritzerman.. I really hope your weight gain is due to an increased apetite and not an inherent side effect of the drug.. You just NOW have developed an affinity for ice cream? One of the ultimate comfort foods... I am going to weigh myself Monday.. force myself to eat right and workout and see what happens...
Sparky..did you notice any weight gain on the sub? Sorry to were feeling down last night..hopefully today will be better! Feeling down is no fun.... it's to be expected I would think though...coming off the sub..but it's great you did it...you should be feeling better each day...
STILL LOOKING FOR TINKERS AND CRANKY*****Check in and let us know how you are..
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10-14-2006, 08:32 AM
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Good Morning everyone,
how is everyone this morning. boy what a scare i had last night i really appricate the quick reponses its nice to know that ppl really do care and know what your going through...
i cant wait till monday i cant take beeing on those pills anymore..
Fritz thanks for the in fo... Lisa how are you doing today? how long have you have been on sub? does it work ok? i'll be going on mthadone..i heard from others thats its great for pain and beieve me i in the worst pain ever but i said to my self that i will not go to the Er to get diludid in the vein...i refuse id rather suffer and i am suffering right now..so my back is killing from leaning over and typing ill check back with y;all laters
luv n hugs
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10-14-2006, 08:36 AM
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btw..Saturday morning.. Was up at 5:30 am! Slept with no ambien last night though I did have 8 mg of sub yesterday.. have been striving to stick with 6 mg but maybe 8 is my magic dose. Anyway, slept well and woke this morning early..like I used to in my pre perc days! It feels good to do that... really good. Can't believe the energy I have had the last few days.
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