[Kaidog]

Lazer:

This might seem presumptious on my part, to question a doctor's orders and all but consider this. Many, many, many drug addicts have become addicted to various medications simply because they listened to their Doctors rather than listening to their heart.

There is an easy remedy.

1. Listen to the pharmacist. He probably has much, much more experience with this drug.

2. Start with a lower dose by breaking or cutting the pills in half. You can always take more but its hard to ride out an overdose.

You have read numerous accounts on this forum of those who have gone before you with the Sub. Learn from them. They have no hidden agenda and nothing to sell.

Listen to your heart. That's why God gave it to you.

Keep us posted of your progress if you will.

[LISA GIRL]

Lazer..Where did you find this guy? From all I have read you put it under the tongue.. maybe it doesn't matter though. And since you were taking Darvocet only, that does sound like a lot..DR K/ANGELA Where are you when we need you?

Since I started typing this I see Kaidog has posted some very good advice. I suggest breaking the dose into at least half.

Why was he discussing religion with you? Did he bring it up or you? I'm also not understanding the urine test. He seemed confused? It said there were no opiates in your system?

Be sure you are in real w/d when you start the sub. Did he give you a time frame for you to start it?

[Lazer]

I just spoke with someone who works with him from the large service and they said he is an expert. My wife is screaming at me and crying. I yelled at her loudlly to shut up. He is religious and so am I and something got us on the topic and that's why we got on the subject. The readout says if you take with Klonopin which I take can cause respiratory depression and even death if missused. They said he is a real expert and to tell me that the Suboxone is my friend. I am sorry I am rambling, repeating but I am withdrawing and now my 10 year old is daughter is crying.

[Kaidog]

Lazer:

Take a deep breath. Try and find some quiet time to reflect on what you have heard today.

"They said he is an expert." What did you think they were going to say?

"He's really an idiot, never even done this before."

Of Course they're going to say he's an expert!

Do you take the Klonopin for withdrawals or do you take it for blood pressure? If you only take it to help with the withdrawals, I'd quit it completely before starting the sub.

I really think the answer is to take a lower dose and work up to the correct dose. Very little danger that way.

[LISA GIRL]

Lazer... what is the large service? Did you tell this doctor about the other meds you are on i.e. klonopin? The label indicates could be a problem if "misused." I wonder what constitutes misuse? If you did not discuss with the doc, I would definitley do that before starting the sub regiman.

[Lazer]

I am all out of Darvocet and going through terrible withdrawel(sp). Klonopin is for anxiety like valium.

[pg2ssi]

quote:Originally posted by Lazer

I am all out of Darvocet and going through terrible withdrawel(sp). Klonopin is for anxiety like valium.

Hang in friend, I had a few Klonopins it got me past the first couple of days. Helped me sleep, even better than now I wish I could say something to ease your pain. All I can say is that it WILL PASS!

I know how the familything can be, all you want is to be left alone, all they want is you back. Tell them in a kind way what you need. My wife is the "hardest ass-kicker" I know in this world, put I told her and she listened... boy was I surprised and happy.

Good luck & take care friend!

[LISA GIRL]

Lazer..when did you take your last darvocet?

[Lazer]

I took 1/2-4mg and the profuse sweating and extreme irritability went away. I just took another 4mg to make it 8mg total like the prescription says. I feel achy in my back, legs and hips, is that normal when you are in withdrawal? Thanks for putting up with me when I was going through all of that. I hope I didn't embarrass myself. I hope this is the answer. I wish I could buy you all flowers for being so nice and for understanding!



I feel better now.[:I]

[pg2ssi]

quote:Originally posted by Lazer

I took 1/2-4mg and the profuse sweating and extreme irritability went away. I just took another 4mg to make it 8mg total like the prescription says. I feel achy in my back, legs and hips, is that normal when you are in withdrawal? Thanks for putting up with me when I was going through all of that. I hope I didn't embarrass myself. I hope this is the answer. I wish I could buy you all flowers for being so nice and for understanding!



I feel better now.[:I]

Glad to hear your feeling better, one more thing that helped me was soft music. I could not stand the TV on, but I needed something.

HTH

[LISA GIRL]

You SOUND much better! Glad to hear it

[dmmt]

I'm thinking about you Lazer, and you'll be in my prayers tonight. I also wanted to tell you that my darvocet never showed up on a urine test, either. Go figure.

[Lazer]

I'm feeling very woozy and high now. I am also very short with my family and irritable too. I don't like the feeling. I guess I will have to go to a smaller dose. Thanks again everyone.

[nymommy]

lazer..feeling a little sick is normal on the sub for me i was VERY SICK...you have to tweek the dose..your doc should be available to you at all times..i called my 3x a day the first 2 days..hang in there its soooooooo worth it

[nymommy]

lazer one more thing..i wouldnt take any other meds while on the sub..try to put all of your focus to recovery, and adjusting the sub.. the sub will help you sleep..the first few days are tricky..i'm 7 days free tommorrow...i never thought i'd find the right dose...listen to your body, by the way..why was religion even discussed?..hang in there..we are here for you

[goldmafia]

hey all,

this is the first time I have posted on a board like this, although I have been reading for about a year now. I am addicted to Oxycontin and I am trying so hard to quit, I find it almost impossible. I am a recreational user, and want to stop this hell. I started off sniffing roxicodone 30 mg's last summer, at one point i was sniffing 4-6 a day just to function. I quit the roxi's last school year, but found an oxy connect at school. I went through the second semester of school sniffing away. This last summer I was sniffing roughly 80-120 mg's a day. I am back at school and I am now sniffing about 40 mg's of oxycontin a day. I am a college student and I am having a hard time concentrating as sniffing oxy is the only thing on my mind. I need to get out of this before it is too late. Can anyone help me?

[Lazer]

It's strange. I'm feeling like I am out of my body. When I drink, I feel that I am uncoordinated, the water doesn't go down like normal, like I can't control my swallowing muscles. I guess you're right nymommy with adjusting the dosage. I feel very, very strange. Like I took too many Tylenol #3's but really sweating a lot.

[SimpleTreasuress]

Hi, I am also new to the board and just did my 1st post today. I am addicted to Hydro's. I also need all the support I can get. I have read through the boards and it seems that "tapering" off the pills works quite well. I am going to try and do that and see how it works. I do know that oxys are alot stronger than hydros, but maybe all of us "addicts" can work at this together and give great support, as I see that this board does offer that.......I also, want to quit soooo bad, but it seems that there is no way out....I think I am at the "ready" point and will go from my current 10 pills a day, down to 5, beginning tomorrow....I will write tomorrow night and let everyone know how this worked.....I am going to try and stay motivated......Good night all and I hope to be a regular here on the board and most of all, I HOPE TO BE COMPLETELY FREE OF ALL MEDS., BY 10/15/2006.....I just wanted to give myself a date, so that I can stick with it......Thanks in advance to all who offer support and help during this tough time.....I am here to talk to also, if anyone needs support from another person going through the same thing.

[likwid-solutions]

So after trying a few more times to quit cold turkey, I gave in. I told my family about my addiction and they were pretty supportive. After about 2 weeks of trying to get into Maryhaven, a large rehabilitation center in Columbus, Ohio, we called a doctor and set up an appointment to start on Suboxone. The first doctor's office we called made me sceptical, because they said we had to schedule an appointment which we had to pay 500 dollars upfront and I wasn't garaunteed to get in. The next place I called were very friendly and were able to work out a payment plan. Altogether it will cost me 3000 dollars but that include all the therapy and everything for the psychological part. And they didn't treat me like a lesser person. Well as I'm righting this I'm am on my last fix of Oxy. Tomorrow I start fullblown withdrawals and then on Thursday I go to the doctor's office at 9 am. The program coordinator was very friendly and she even had my medical forms faxed to a nearby office so I could fill them out ahead of time to save me the discomfort of doing it while withdrawaling in the office.

But I'm pretty excited to start it. I am just so afraid that I mess up and relapse. But I don't really like the feeling of opiates anymore, It just reminds me of all the pain it's cause me and my family, I just do it to feel normal. But I don't even feel normal. Half of the time I have to think hard to remember what day it is, and the other half I'm wrong. The feeling just doesn't bring enough pleasure to outweigh the pain and suffering.

Wish me luck,
Ryan

[Lazer]

quote:Originally posted by nymommy

lazer one more thing..i wouldnt take any other meds while on the sub..try to put all of your focus to recovery, and adjusting the sub.. the sub will help you sleep..the first few days are tricky..i'm 7 days free tommorrow...i never thought i'd find the right dose...listen to your body, by the way..why was religion even discussed?..hang in there..we are here for you

What dose are you taking? How much and how often? When do you know, or how do you know when to take your next dose?

[LISA GIRL]

Ryan and Simple Treasures... Congratulations on your decision to start your program. I am sure you will do just fine and you have all the support you will need right here. S.T. that is about the same time I will be quitting 10-10, if not before. We can motivate each other. Don't be discouraged if the tapering doesn't work for you... there are other options out there.. ie. suboxone.

I keep hearing people talk about how much they are paying for the sub. I am worried that I am not getting complete information from my doctor. I found an opening at the first one I called. Was told it would be $180 for the first visit and $80/month thereafter. Does that seem right to anyone who has been on it? I know that some parts of the country are going to be more expensive i.e. NY where Mommy is, but I wouldn't think there would be THAT much of a difference. I guess I will know more on Thursday. Like I posted before, I don't want to pay more if I don't have to, but that sounds really cheap compared to what everyone else is paying. I believe you get what you pay for. (I know I posted a similar post previously but never got an answer.) How expensive is just the medicine part? Maybe the docs are giving some people the medicine in the office and some just send them away w/ the script. That could be part of it??

[Lazer]

It is now 6 A.M. Slept about 2 1/2 hours. Have a headache, started those small little areas of itching all over, hard to urinate, have to really strain, almost threw up, and of course sweating, all after about 9 hours of taking 8 mg. of Suboxone. I felt better in the beginning. I did take 2 Advil, my chemotherapy and Synthroid for my Thyroid about an hour ago-took Advil about 3 A.M.

[likwid-solutions]

Your not alone Lazer. I took my last dose of painkiller last night so I could sleep one last night before my withdrawals but i cant even sleep at all. The anxiety is getting to me.

[likwid-solutions]

Oh and Lisa, I don't want to be a pessimist, but those prices you quoted don't really seem likely. I would call other Suboxone clinics nearby and see how they compete, because maybe your doctor is hidding some of the fees, but maybe your right. It's a possibility that your doctor's treatment may consist of just taking suboxone. The place I'm going to also provides counseling and psychotherapy to help the psychological addiction, which may be why I am being charged so much, and also the clinic i went to is not working with any insurance company for Suboxone, so we have to pay cash or credit.

[Lazer]

NYMOMMY, threw up about three times this morning. Took 4mg and threw up again. How long is this going to last? I feel dizzy, sweating, queezy and just[xx(].

[nymommy]

lazer..i'm not a doctor, but i think your dose is high..i threw up on 4mgs....waited 6 hrs took 1 more, threw up again...next morning started off w/ only 1/2 pill, having felt ok..i waited 6 more hrs..took another 1/2...thats how i ( and doctor, cuz i called him constantly) determined my dose..throwing up is normal..but it should subside once correct dosage is found..i never uped my dose cuz, although its low , it was working..no cravings no nauseous...call your doctor!

[tinkers]

Lazer

I had The same problem with urine at first but it went away I was on 3-8mg a day was sick the first day bad headach and vomit but the next day I felt great give it a few days dont give up.

[tinkers]

All

The cost of my sub treatment has been 15.00 for doctor copay because he is a primary under my ins plan sub is about 8.00 a pill with no ins it cost me 25.00 copay for 90 at 3 a day much cheaper for me that it was off the street

[chrish1]

Laser, if you feel uncomfortable with your dosage, get a 2nd opinion from another doctor. From what I've read about Suboxone, it does sound high to me, but I am not an expert.

I haven't been able to post on this board much for a couple months, but I have been reading the last few days. I want to say that I feel all of your pain, and I have great empathy. When I stopped using opiates, I was crawling up the walls and walking around the block at 2AM in the beginning. My heart rate was around 120 for a month. My anxiety seemed almost unbearable. Today, I have almost a year clean of opiates, and I did it cold turkey and lots of NA meetings. I couldn't have done it without the NA program. Today, I can wake up in the morning, open up the blinds, and enjoy the sunrise.

If you must use Suboxone, do it, but remember that Suboxone is also an opiate. It can be a great tool to break away from the pills, but I recommend coming up with a plan to wean off the Suboxone within 6 months. I understand that withdrawl from Sub can be pretty harrowing if you stay on it to long, and I wouldn't want to become dependant on it for too long.

I am living proof that life can be enjoyable again without opiates. If I can do it, you can all do it.

Good luck everyone.

Chrish

Clean Date: 10/11/05

Drugs are a big lie. Don't believe the lie.

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[Kaidog]

WoW!!!!!!!!!

Chrish is two weeks shy of a full year!!!!!!! What an accomplishment. Good to see you post again. You've added so much to this board and your absence is felt by all.

Make sure you check in on the 11th so we can all sing Happy Anniversary to you.