[pg2ssi]

Greeting:

I can not believe that it took so long for me to find a message board like this one! I read the story's and they all mine. I went CT 13 days ago from taking 25-30 10/325 hydros a day for over a year. The first 7 days were from hell on the body. But I think that was the easy part! I can't go an hour without thinking about how good just one would feel. Then my hands sweat, shake alittle, pray alot... large headache... smoke. Repeat 2 hours later. Well at least 2 slept for the last 2 nights! Does anyone know when this part will end? I'm not sure how long I can endure. At least posting here has pasted the time alittle...

Thanks for listening!

[Kaidog]

pg2ssi: Welocme to the board! Yeah, it does seem like we all have the same story doesn't it?

As to recovery schedules, everybody is a little different but you should be feeling better and better every day. We all took a long time to get into these conditions and it doesn't just "go away" overnight. Hang in htere and post away. We all love to read of other's experiences.

[nymommy]

lazer why dont you call the office and ask what to expect..thats what i did..once on the sub you are gonna feel real good....promise! kaidog~~~~yea i always work on sundays..never that many hrs though..they were short handed..i can take off any time i want, my job is very flexible..and i've been there forever, so they are very good to me..funny, im going to la in a few weeks..visiting a friend..cant wait to be able to buy wine just about anywhere..the first time i saw wine in the grocery store there, i thought i died and went to heaven! wow i must sound like an alkie

[pg2ssi]

quote:Originally posted by Kaidog

pg2ssi:

As to recovery schedules, everybody is a little different

I hope a little different But have to keep thinking about my kids, and wife they deserve so much better... its pasted for now, tired, but got to take care of the kid. God I feel so bad & stupid, after 13 days and the worst of the withdraws behind me you would think the pain would still be a fresh memory. Funny how your mind works, pain memory fades so fast, but the pleasure memory last so long... I keep wondering if I just take a couple would that be so bad?

[pg2ssi]

Does anyone know of a something like a IRC chat or Yahoo chat for us recovering....

[pg2ssi]

does anyone know of something like an IRC chat or yahoo chat for us recovering... I talk to my wife alot about what I'm going thru and she is so supportive, but sometimes it would be nice to talk to someone going thru the same problems... enough babble for now

[Angela H]

PG2~
Hello and welcome to our humble boards! We are glad to have you here.
You said something about taking a pill and would that be so bad? Well, think about it this way...if you took one you would probably feel really good and think "wow...I missed these!"
But then a few hours later, you would instictively reach for another and so the saga begins again...
13 days is a mighty long time to throw away. You've come so far...are you sure you want to start this process all over again?
Because I promise you that you would have to start it all over and next time would probably be worse. Just some food for thought!
Have you ever thought about Subutex? If you've been reading posts, I'm sure you know about it. I've been clean of Lortabs 41 days today thanks to Sub and a doctor who actually cares about my recovery. If you don't think you can do it by yourself (I couldn't), please consider this as an option. It has helped lots of people and there's a lot of info on the web.
BTW...you asked about yahoo chat. I don't know about others here, but I have it and would be more than happy to chat with you. I am angela71104 on yahoo chat. Feel free to IM me anytime.

[pg2ssi]

Thanks Angela H!

I love to chat sometimes. I fell so depressed about this whole problem. I should have known better. Its a problem that runs in the family. After 41 years of taking nothing stronger than Ibprofan, I had to have 4 different what I would say "minor" operations. Needless to say, long after the pain was gone I continued. Hey it makes you feel like a 20 year old again! Next thing I know I just keep taking them, and shut-out the world... Well at least I can walk & act half-normal now! I won't take any today, I keep telling myself everyday, just one more day... got to go to work now be back later, thanks to all that listen!

[Osagewoman]

Hi all, I'm back from the weekend. I work 4-10's (am off every Fri, Sat and Sun) and I don't get on this board at home coz hubby would want to see, not that that would be a bad thing, but I'm not quite ready for that. Had a bad weekend, too; ran out of hydros Sat. Got through work (worked OT) with .5 of one and a neo-percocet, then used muscle relaxers at home. Not bad, actually, expected a lot worse, then Sunday came along! Can you say shaky hands and high-anxiety??? [xx(] Geez, the only thing I could do was lie in bed and watch soap opera movies! As long as I was lying still, I seemed to be okay, but when I fell asleep, I think I experienced the restless leg syndrome! [xx(] NOT fun!!! Well, hubby knew; in fact, he wants me to go into treatment and bought the video "28 days" for me! I told him I'd watch it when I'm ready (have seen it before) and that there is a better way (Sub). [:0] He wanted to know what the better way was, but I was just not in the mood to explain it, being shaky and all! Well, by day's end, he had rounded up a few .5 hydros to get me through a few more days and wants me to see if I can get our scrip refilled sooner!!! How's all that for co-dependence??? [?] For those of you new or not yet ready to quit, this board's a great place to vent!!! Thanks to all of you for being here![:X]

[Kaidog]

Osagewoman: I empathise with you. For me the restless legs thing has always been the worst! It absolutely prohibits sleep and is just so creepy and all. Others have said that they even had restless arms too but thankfully, I've never had to fight those.

As an aside:

I just got back from lunch with my wife. Because of our work schedules we don't have the opportunity to get together much for lunch but today was different. Half way through she looked at me and said,

"You must be feeling good."
"Why do you say that?"
"Cause you're chatty and upbeat, more than normal anyway."

I confessed that I am on day 13 of no Norco's at all. We've been through this together before a few times and I just didn't want to tell her this time untill I was reasonably certain that I was going to make it.

"I knew something was up. I'm glad its that babe."

I looked across the table at this woman who I have loved for 38 years (remember, I met her when she was 16 and the heart-throb of our High School and later the Homecoming Queen) and realized once again what a lucky guy I am. I can honestly say that she is more beautiful today (if that's possible) than she was all those years ago. I couldn't have survived these past difficult years without her.

Anyway, tomorrow is TWO WEEKS!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah me!!!!!!

Yeah all of us, no matter what our current condition. Tomorrow holds good things in store for us if we will just reach out and grab it.

[Kaidog]

quote:Originally posted by pg2ssi

Hey it makes you feel like a 20 year old again!

pg2ssi: Boy-oh-boy aint that true! That's the reason I got drawn into them initially as well. Sort of a chemically induced fountain of youth. If there only wasn't the down side that goes along with them.

Congratulations on the clean time. You really should feel better with each passing day. I know I do.

We're all rooting for you............................ we're all rooting for each other.

[Angela H]

Kaidog!
Your post was SO SWEET! About your wife and all and how much you love each other. That is awesome.
I feel the same way about my little punkin noodle! We met 3 weeks after I left my marriage and was God sent. I know this for a fact. My parents just celebrated their 41st wedding anniversary and his folks have been married 52 years. That's a lot of love we've both seen through our role models. I believe everything that has happened in my life prepared me for meeting Chris and he feels the same way about me. Sometimes we just sit and stare at each other as if we're "stupified!"
Okay, enough about all the mush and gush!

Osagewoman~
Hang in there precious. You're gonna be just fine. Do your and your husband both have an addiction to pain pills? Has he ever gotten on this site with you and read posts? That might be helpful for him as well, as he may read something and want the two of you to quit together. That would be awesome to recover as a team.
Did you say you had checked on Sub? I couldn't remember if you had an appt or not. We're all here for you and supporting you. You will beat this if you truly want to.

Mommy~
How are you today? Still doing well on the Sub? Sleeping well?

Lisa~
You better check in here girl!!!!!!!
I can't run this board by myself...I need your quit wit and charm!

Anyway, could someone please explain to me exactly what Restless Legs are? Thanks in advance!

Angela for real

[nymommy]

~~~hey angela..still doing well..today though i did feel out a sorts..tired headache..not craving..just not right..when does your taper start...i'll never forget how you and the doc helped me that nite..calling my doc tommorow for a follow-up..glad you have someone good in your life..i'm assuming he knows of your ordeal

[Kaidog]

Angela For Real:

Restless legs syndrome is a really strange thing where,mostly at night, you have this uncontrolable urge to move your legs, tap your feet and just shake the legs [u]all night long</u>!!!! It really sucks. Try as you might, you can't keep from doing it. Of course one's spouse just loves it when they are trying to sleep.

[LISA GIRL]

pg2ssi.. Welcome!!!

Angela...Restless legs are the strangest thing. I used to get it once in a while (totally unrelated to the pills) when I was really tired. But when I went C/T last year I had it like never before! AND this time I got it in my arms too! It's really hard to explain but it's like something is crawling in your nerves or something and the only way to relieve it is by shaking or moving your legs. Weird huh??? That and its inteference with sleep are the worst part of C/T withdrawal.

Kaidog. What happened to New England? The spread was NE-6. Vegas sure missed the boat on that one!

[Kaidog]

LISA GIRL:

Looks like Vegas missed the New Orleans / Falcons game tonight as well. Never bet against the home town team I guess.

[LISA GIRL]

Kaidog.. I missed it too. I took the Falcons AND the under (45)

OK. I am a college educated, fairly well read kind of gal. However, I must admit yet ANOTHER guilty pleasure. I read the tabloids. Sometimes you have to just read some mindless, mind rotting mush. In any case, tonight I turned off the phone, the computer, and my brain, and opened up one such magazine and found that Dixie Chick Natalie Maines is currently on SUBOXONE treatment for Vicodan addiction. How bout that? They did a little write up about the sub. Just a little watercooler gossip for us here at the forum. I don't agree with her band's politics, but I wish her success, as I do for all of us.Hope you all are having a nice night.

[LISA GIRL]

Just wondering if anyone has heard the song "So Long Self" by Mercy Me, a contemporary Christian Band. Just happened to have the radio on the other morning and heard that song. The song title could have just as easily been "So Long Pills." It just fit so well. I actually got teary eyed. Maybe tomorrow I will post the lyrics here. It is a great upbeat song anyway, but if you think about it like he's talking about our pill friends, you can really take a lot out of it. Just wondered. It really hit me that day. I usually have either classic rock or alternative music on in the a.m,. but I think I was meant to hear and take something out of that song that day. I went out that day and bought the cd.

[Angela H]

Hey dudes and dudettes~

Just wanted to check in before I went to bed. I had a good day off today (I'm off on Mondays) and had absolutely no cravings whatsoever.
It's weird how as time goes by, you learn to live your life without even thinking about pills, much less taking them. That part has been really nice...kinda like getting rid of an obsession...an obsession we hate and wish so badly to get rid of.

Mommy~
I think you are probably just acclamaiting to the Sub. The first 2 or 3 days was a little strange for me, too. Don't get me wrong, they were not bad...just a little different and needing some adjustment. Trust me...in less than a week or so, you're going to feel perfectly normal. Right now the Hydro is leaving your body completely and that is making you feel a little sluggish. Hang in there sista...you're gonna be fine. I didn't tell ya it was a total walk in the park, but it beats the H-E-L-L out of CT. LOL!!

You asked about my boyfriend and did he know? Yes, he knows everything. In the beginning I wanted his help, so I put the control with him which was a huge mistake...He agrees. I finally decided that this was something I had to own up to, go thru, and suffer the consequences MYSELF. I was the one who got addicted, and I was going to be the one to become un-addicted. I made up my mind I was ready to quit...that's when I tried the taper method and quickly saw I was not going to be able to do this without professional help. I researched everything I could get my hands on and felt like Sub treatment was the best for me. Chris has been supportive every step of the way. He tells me how many days it is every morning and tells me how proud he is and how much he loves me. His love and support have meant the world to me.

Anyway, gotta go to bed. I love you guys! [:I]

Angela for real

[livelife21]

hello everybody again. i'm back, but i have not been very disciplined. I am writing this in humiliation, I am back up to 5 per day. So now i'm gonna try and start over. I'm at hour 6 right now. I doubt I can even get one day, 24 hours.
hmmm
one option i wrote about is that i have family out of state, i could go start life down there for a while, i wouldnt have pills available there at all! the fact of not having ANY in case of emergency kindascares me. I wonder what bad can happen from stopping 5/day for over a year!

[CONCERNED LOVE]

HAVE HER GRADULAY TAKE LESS OF HER MEDICATION, BREAK THE PILLS IN HALF! THAT IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN DOING! I HAVE BEEN ON HYDROCODONE FOR 5 YEARS, AND THE WITHDRAWEL SUCKS! I AM DOWN TO 1/2 7.5/350 3 TIMES A DAY, USUALY! AND I WAS AT 3 OR 4 10/650 A DAY

[Kaidog]

TWO WEEKS (as of 6:00 p.m.)

I'm feeling better and better everyday. Normal sleep patterns are returning, restless legs are almost completely gone and the energy levels are rising again.

Life is good clean and sober.

[Mamaw Linda]

quote:Originally posted by dizzybear

I am replying to SFC420. I had been reading everyones messages and it seemed no one had a problem w/ OC's. Im an 18 f and I have been taking pain pills for about 2yrs now. It started out w/ percocet the 10/650 up to 12 a day. Then whatever was available Morphine, Vicoden,(really do nothing now) you know whatever i could get. Then i found oxycontin. Long story short i take about 4 40mgs aday and somtimes w/ a few percocet. In your message you talk about going to a Dr. Im really afraid to, I dont want him to ask me a bunch of Q's about it. I looked into the methadone clinic $$$$. I cant go on like this, sometimes withdrawls are so bad i have to call off work. You said you weened yourself off w/ vicoden and muscle relaxers.Maybe i will try that. Its my New Years Resolution to quit taking pills. Can you give me some advice about how to go to a DR. Thanks

[Mamaw Linda]

Dizzybear, Just read your message. I do not take pain killers myself but have had them in my life for years. Both of my sons were in really bad car accidents and ended up addicted to pain killers. One of my sons ended up on oc's and went to the methodone clinic. I do not recommend it. It was a 4 year battle and alot of money, and he is still hooked on pain killers but not the oc's anymore. Good luck to you in your battle. I hope you find something that works for you.

quote:Originally posted by dizzybear

I am replying to SFC420. I had been reading everyones messages and it seemed no one had a problem w/ OC's. Im an 18 f and I have been taking pain pills for about 2yrs now. It started out w/ percocet the 10/650 up to 12 a day. Then whatever was available Morphine, Vicoden,(really do nothing now) you know whatever i could get. Then i found oxycontin. Long story short i take about 4 40mgs aday and somtimes w/ a few percocet. In your message you talk about going to a Dr. Im really afraid to, I dont want him to ask me a bunch of Q's about it. I looked into the methadone clinic $$$$. I cant go on like this, sometimes withdrawls are so bad i have to call off work. You said you weened yourself off w/ vicoden and muscle relaxers.Maybe i will try that. Its my New Years Resolution to quit taking pills. Can you give me some advice about how to go to a DR. Thanks

[Lazer]

[quote]Originally posted by nymommy

lazer why dont you call the office and ask what to expect..thats what i did..once on the sub you are gonna feel real good....promise!


I called the office and the woman said she is only the receptionist. She said the Doctor will tell me everything and that she can't tell me anything because she doesn't know. I didn't stop taking the Darvocet and I will be out of them today without any refills. I hope he will ley me do this on my own. Let me go say 12 hours tomorrow without it and let me try the Suboxone. I am on Klonopin and I hope that is not a problem. Does anyone know?

[Kaidog]

Boy.................... it's a ghost-town in here today. I can see the tumble-weeds blowing down the street and hear the shutters banging in the wind.[?][?][?]

Where is everybody?

[pg2ssi]

quote:Originally posted by Angela H

Hey dudes and dudettes~

Just wanted to check in before I went to bed. I had a good day off today (I'm off on Mondays) and had absolutely no cravings whatsoever.
It's weird how as time goes by, you learn to live your life without even thinking about pills, much less taking them. That part has been really nice...kinda like getting rid of an obsession...an obsession we hate and wish so badly to get rid of.

Angela for real

Hi Angela H & Everyone!

Sorry to just talk about myself again... but day 14 and no so good. I almost gave in. I had it all figured out in my head, I just take a few once a week and it would be ok... I glad now I did'nt I hope tp get to the point where its not in my mind ALL the time. Just a few hours would be nice...

Hope everyone is well & strong. One more day down, maybe tomorrow will be better.

Take care

[Kaidog]

pg2ssi:

You and I are on the very same recovery day. One thing which has helped me incredibly is to [u]stay busy</u>. When I just sit around, my mind tends to think of things that I'd just as soon it didn't. Work helps alot.

Have you started sleeping any better?

Don't think you ever have to apologize for coming here and talking about yourself. "Yourself" is the place where the battle rages right now and talking about it is really theraputic. So post away all you want. The other side of that coin is that others come on here and read of the struggles you are having and often think to themselves.........."Those are the EXACT problems I'm having!"

[LISA GIRL]

pg2ssi: So glad you kept on track. Last year I quit for 4 months after going the cold turkey thing. During my w/d I kept two pills as it seemed to make me feel better.. .kind of like a security blanket.. I was doing this because I WANTED to, not because I had no pills.. Well 4 months later I thought I could just take them recreationally once a week or so. I took those two pills that had been stashed away...the next day I made a phone call. The rest is my sorry history. Never think you can start again and limit your dosage... you might be able to for a while...but then you will be back where you were..only it will be worse. I promise.

Livelife21.. Have you considered the suboxone? I know you posted a ways back but sorry, don't remember your story. Cold Turkey and Tapering don't work for everyone. C/T worked for me last time but no way in hell I could do it this time. My addiction is at a much higher level. Something to consider...

[Lazer]

I need help! The Doctor was very cold. He didn't want to take a urine test and when I suggested to him he said OK. He looked at it a while and was confused. He told me to throw it away and when I looked at it it was negative for opiates. He gave me 8mg 3 times a day. He discussed religion very curtly with me and seemed upset with me. The Pharmacist said it was a high dose, 8mg at one time, and the target is supposed to be 16 mg. NYMOMMY threw up after I think 4mg and he is giving me 8 as a starting dose. I don't know what to do. I am sweating right now and I have no more Darvocet left. How do I know he knows what he is doing. He said listen to him and not the internet. HELP please. OH he also said put it on top of your tongue and the pharmacist said under the tongue.[?]