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09-21-2006, 02:19 PM
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Hey Live~
Welcome to the group! We're a fun bunch!!!! LOL!
Everyone here has something to share that might help someone else. Please feel free to post as much as you want...never know....you might end up helping me!
Hugs, Angela |
09-21-2006, 02:20 PM
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kaidog why don't you take something to sleep[?]sleep is very imortant to me, cant imagine how your functioning...if theres a coscto by your area, they sell amazing otc sleep aids (no tylenol/aspirin in them)..why are you torturing yourself |
09-21-2006, 02:21 PM
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nymommy, that is great news! awesome! like I said, dont look back. the sub has been a God-send for many people..I unfortunately cant afford it so i'm trying my best to stop by myself. I told a family member that i'm trying to quit and to help me,. i'm also gonna get back going to Church (the only happy time in my life was when i went!) and I'm gonna keep posting on here.
my only progress so far to report is that I only took ONE hydro today, normally 3 or 4 by this hour. I dont want to come back on here talkin about i'm starting over every 12 hours.
nymommy, i know what you mean about going to the store grocery shopping always gotta take a few pills first! i'm the same way! glad you are done with that stuff!!
nymommy, could you imagine thinkin about goin to the gym a few weeks ago? probably not. amazing our bodies are pretty fine tuned, and selfcorrecting if we allow them to be by NOT numbing all of our senses!
DONT LOOK BACK!!
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09-21-2006, 02:28 PM
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angela h, thank you for the post...i was reading what you said to kaidog about a 'crutch' i just wanted to tell you DONT FEEL GUILTY! That is horsepooh! No matter what method you are using, if it is to help you get off opiates, then dont feel guilty! You are trying to improve yourself, thats the bottom line. Guilt has a funny way of thriving on you making you feel stupid until you use again. Screw that, you are stronger then anybody for taking the time to read and post on here! Bless you.
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09-21-2006, 02:36 PM
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NYMOMMY, I am so PROUD of you!!!! [:X] I haven't been here in about a week and was actually kind of scared to come back and see how your sub treatment was going, but it sounds like it's working!!! You said a week ago since I only take 2 hydros a day it shouldn't be too hard for me? Well, my hubby left for an overnight trip Monday. He left 12 pills for me, 6 days' worth, right? Well, I have 1/2 left now and over the last 3 days have been taking 3-5 per day! This morning I felt just BAD [xx(] had a foggy head, slight headache, NO concentration at all, and I'm thinking it might be w/d symptoms??? I don't know what I'm going to say to hubby tomorrow when I am miserable and have no pills to take! He's going to be furious, but as a former cocaine addict, I hope he takes pity on me! [V] I'm scared, but of what, I'm not sure! I don't want to stop, but I HATE this feeling of absolute PANIC when I think there may not be any more! I'm also taking phentermine that my doc gave me to help me lose a little weight (they are working) and I have flexeril that I take usually @ night to help fall asleep, and those might help with the w/d symptoms, too, I don't know. All I know is right now, the pain that is usually masked is coming back, not that it is EVER horrific pain, but on top of the localized pain (back, tennis elbow, migraine), there's the overall, whole-body, discomfort...
I think I will print out Angela's doctors' comments and a few others, in case I need to show hubby that I really am getting to that point of no-return. He thinks I'm in denial, which I may have been, but every day that denial is coming back to haunt me...
One GOOD thing has happened in the last week...I am down to 1 (ONE) cigarette a day!!! I still haven't been able to just throw the pack away, but this new quit-smoking drug has been a miracle! I don't crave them or think about them and when I do light one, it tastes SO BAD, I just put it out! The treatment is 4 weeks; I'm at the end of my 3rd week and I wholly expect to be cigarette-free a week from now! This drug (Chantix), as well as Suboxone, seem to be miracle drugs and thank GOD we have them!!!
I want to thank each and every one of you for being here and posting your feelings and experiences! It makes me feel so much less alone...like most of you, no one (except my husband) knows about this! Keep up the good work and the rest of you still popping those little 'friends', know you are not alone!!!   |
09-21-2006, 02:52 PM
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OK, OK, OK..........................
To all who have suggested Ambien as a sleep aid, I just ordered some. I really think that if I can re-establish regular sleeping patterns, I'd be fine w/o anything.
I just today noticed something I haven't felt in years. I wish it was a good thing but its not. Prostate pain like crazy. Could it be that the Norcos have been masking it all these years?
Sure hope it is temporary. |
09-21-2006, 03:25 PM
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osagewoman hi..sounds like you got out of control, know that feeling well!!.when ever i would get my bulk supply i'd be out of hand for a few days, then the supply would dimenish..i'd get into panic mode..make my call and repeat that cycle..the $$ i've spent is crazy...so by now my "source" is wondering why i havent called..so a few minutes ago he called me..he tried to make small talk, but i didnt make it easy..i know he must be wondering..oh well!..i feel great..hope im not being pre-mature; so far so good~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~kaidog glad you got the ambien ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ[^] |
09-21-2006, 03:47 PM
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angela~~~just wanted to know, going out tommorrow w/ my gfriends (they dont know) was wondering if i could have 1 glass of wine...have you ever had a drink while on the sub?? thanks |
09-21-2006, 07:27 PM
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lisa girl, how come you vote for option two (not quitting) ?? it is dificult but not impssible?something so small can make a difference
| LiveLife PLEASE REREAD YOUR POST! THEN REREAD MINE!  You gave 3 options, 1. Quit by yourself, 2. Quit with help from Church and the Board and 3. Don't quit. I chose #2! I don't want anyone to think I would ever advise anyone not to quit![:0] |
09-21-2006, 07:29 PM
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09-21-2006, 07:31 PM
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Really having problems with the quotes today. Thanks Mommy. Very glad to hear you are doing better.Most excited to hear you are not thinking about the pills. I started in 03 for a few months then quit (don't think I was addicted then) on and off (primarily on in late 04) quit in Jan 05 for about 4 months then on ever since. |
09-22-2006, 07:17 AM
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just wanted to say i'm doing really well..sleeping good w/o the ambien..yesterday i took 1/2 in morn.1/2 in afternon..total 1 2mgs.sounds low, but i did well..hope today is just as good[:I]~~~~kaidog how'd you sleep last nite? |
09-22-2006, 07:27 AM
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Hi Everyone,
I used narcs for a loooooooooooooong time and tryed to quit many time and was never able to untill the sub it works great i have been tappering off that from 3 a day now down to 1 it does work i know it is scary at first but the end result is awsome no more days wasted trying to find pills or just laying around in w/d it gave me my life back and soon i will be 100% pill free for those of you who have a sleep peoblem i used over the counter sleep aid 4 25mg at first and it helped the ladst thing i wanted to do is take more perscriptions to be dependent on and the sleep aid i have read about in here can be habit forming and cause memory loss i have taken them and they do cause both things to happen good luck to all and i pray for you all to get well you will stop one day or you will DIE good luck. |
09-22-2006, 09:00 AM
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Day #10:
Oh happy days are here again!
I slept ALL night long last night, w/o any assistance. Didn't even get up to visit the little boy's room and that never happens. I had almost forgotten what a great night's sleep felt like. I feel better today than I have in a long, long time. I don't know if it is due to the good sleep or just getting cleaner and cleaner....................maybe both.
nymommy: Great to read that you are responding well to the sub. Victory feels great doesn't it?
LISA GIRL: You'll be there soon too. |
09-22-2006, 09:15 AM
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Kaidog. SLEEP IS GOOD! Glad you finally got some...and without aid even! I am still going to ask for ambien when I go on the sub. If nothing else I think it will be mentally good for me to know I have it if I need it. Laying awake watching the clock move is not my thing.
NMMOMMY. yea!! You've come a long way this week! I want more details! What do you feel like on the sub..no cravings for the pills at ALL? Still sleeping ok w/ the ambien? |
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09-22-2006, 03:35 PM
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quote:Originally posted by LISA GIRL
Kaidog. SLEEP IS GOOD! Glad you finally got some...and without aid even! I am still going to ask for ambien when I go on the sub. If nothing else I think it will be mentally good for me to know I have it if I need it. Laying awake watching the clock move is not my thing.
NMMOMMY. yea!! You've come a long way this week! I want more details! What do you feel like on the sub..no cravings for the pills at ALL? Still sleeping ok w/ the ambien?
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09-22-2006, 03:43 PM
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WOW!! could not post after many attempts..anyone else having problems?? LISA~~~ to answer your question : how do i feel on the sub? i feel like i dont want a vic~~plain and simple..dont feel high, just feel good. i do not think of pills AT ALL..i'm sorta superstitious..so i dont want to jinx it..have no trouble sleeping, and i'm taking nothing (although i'm glad i have the ambien, so if i were you i'd get it too) if i'm rembering this wkend should be your last hurrah...lisa i strongly reccomend you giving this a go..almost seems to good to be true..i will be here to support you as all the others have me... ~~~~~~~~angela how are you doing?~~~~~~~kaidog glad you got your ZZZZZZZZZZ's |
09-22-2006, 04:11 PM
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Mommy.. Can't believe you don't even want a pill. Maybe that is because you were so ready to quit. I was like that last time around and I didn't have any cravings. I just wonder if since I'm going kicking and screaming this time (lol) (not really) that even though the sub might help with the physical symptoms of withdrawl, if it will help with the mental craving to get that warm fuzzy feeling. Guess I will find out.
Also, I am wondering what you found out about taking the sub with alcohol. I don't drink much (esp since the pills) but I do have friends coming in town October 6 and we WILL be cocktailing. After that weekend I would have no problem going an extended period of time without drinking, but we I definitely want to be able to go out then. Do you think I should start the sub after that? I would still go to the consultation Thursday and get the prescription.
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09-22-2006, 04:39 PM
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lisa~~~i wouldnt have more than 1...2 tops..as far as your question..mental vs physical cravings..i really dont know, but both are gone...what are you feeling about your appt? nervous ,excited or are you dreading it..i think your answer to that would be an indication as to your readiness... i'll be here to help no matter what your decision.. i'm going out tonite and i'd love me some wine..i'm thinking maybe 1  |
09-22-2006, 04:51 PM
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quote:Originally posted by nymommy
lisa~~~i wouldnt have more than 1...2 tops
| Therein lies the problem. I don't drink much (as in often) but when I do, I have a problem stopping after a couple especially if I am with people who are throwing em down. That is why I was thinking about starting the sub on the 10th but that seems so far away. I don't want to get sick[xx(] and obviously self control is not always my strong point or I wouldn't be in this mess.
About the appointment. I am not dreading it. Maybe that's b/c I don't have to start in the doc's office. I wouldn't say anxious per se though either. Ambivelent. I guess that sums it up. I am anxious to start working out and SHOPPING with all my extra money though. |
09-22-2006, 05:12 PM
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Hello my loves! 
How is everyone? Freaking Fantastic here! I'm in a good mood! LOL!
Mommy~
I'm soooooo glad you're doing so well on the Sub. I knew you would, just had to get through that first yucky day of having too much!
About drinking on Sub...I'm having a beer right now! It's Friday!!!! Doc says it's okay as long as you don't over-due it- i.e. Get drunk!
1 or 2 beers or glasses of wine is okay, but prob not much more.
Lisa~
I promise you that the psycholocial part of this is probably better than the physical. The thought of taking your doc NEVER enters your mind...especially the first week. That's what they call it the "Honeymoon Phase." It's almost as good as when you first start really liking your doc. And the really nice thing about it is...you get to feel that good and NEVER think about taking a pill. I swear! It's wild! In a way, that's part of why I felt sorta guilty to be using this as a crutch. Sorta like cheating...you know? Like, Damn, this **** is good...but wait...I'm not supposed to like it this much am I?
Anyway, someone email me. I feel like chatting!
Love y'all |
09-22-2006, 05:20 PM
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37 DAYS CLEAN OF LORTABS! |
09-22-2006, 05:23 PM
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I tell you what...I sure am glad I have the Sub...cuz I wanted a LT so bad today I almost gnawed my arm off! If I took one on the Sub I would feel nothing from it, so that's another way this treatment is so effective. If you try to have your doc, you're just wasting your money. |
09-22-2006, 05:31 PM
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lisa..i have the same problem..once i start cant stop..and oh how i loved my "friends" w/ my wine..talk about warm and fuzzy!!!!!!!!!!~~~~~angela, thanks.. i plan on having 1-2 tonite..i have tried emailing you, but it didnt work..everyone have a good wkend |
09-22-2006, 05:57 PM
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Mommy.. Funny that you used the words "friends" I used to/still do call my percs my "little yellow friends." ..that or PEZ because they do look like the pez candy. I used to actually carry them in a pez dispenser. I am goofy sometimes.
Angela.. Wow!! What you said makes me feel better. I am almost jonesin to start the sub just to prove to myself what you are saying is true! It makes me wonder though..is that b/c the sub has opiates in it? I guess I'm just unsure how it works really. I wonder if it's just another form of high..just a different feeling? Makes me worried that you wanted a LT today (I just had one... all out of percs) and that you had to take some sub. How much longer are you on the sub? I should know but can't remember offhand. I hear soooooo much great stuff about the sub but I don't know if I have read any posts from someone who is totally off both the pills and the sub?
In ANY case will definitely be cheaper. I just got off the phone with the doc's office. He said the first appointment is $180 and then $80/month for medication and consultation. Does that sound right? It seems Mommy that yours was a LOT more expensive than that. When he said $80 for every appt after, I asked if that would be weekly (fully expecting it to be) and he said usually monthly. I'm all for the least expensive route, but I am also a firm believer in you get what you pay for... any thoughts anyone?
p.s my source is on his way to bring me what will probably be my last delivery of yellow friends. I want to tell him I am not going to be needing his services in the future but I'm kind of scared. Wish me luck! |
09-22-2006, 08:51 PM
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Angela: Congratulations on the clean time. Wow. More than a month! Now who's the hero and who's standing at a distance in awed admiration?
Love your posts.................... I just love-em.
nymommy: Horray for nymommy! It's neat to read the change in the tone of your posts, changing from one of aprehension to confidence. I'm really happy for you. It is a monumental step you have taken.
LISA GIRL: That's just around the corner for you too. Now, just [u]what</u> are we all going to do with the money we are saving? | | |
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