[Lazer]

Angela, you have no idea how much your post means to me. I am in a panic that I have damaged my Liver. Could you please tell me how much you are/were taking of Tylenol a day and for how many years. Most preperations have 325 mg. but Darvocet has twice the amount in each pill I take my last Darvocet at around 8 P.M. I usually start sweating about an hour later and when I wake up I am cool, not sweating. It's when I take the Darvocet I start sweating like you said. My brow is soaked and dripping down on my face. The front of my undershirt gets soaked. If I take 5 Darvocet at a time now and I start sweating, so I take more and the sweating goes away. I don't know why. I am so scared I feel like crying.

[Angela H]

Lazer~
It sounds to me like the sweating occurs more when you don't have as much Darvocet in your system. Sweating occured for me the most when I was in withdrawal. Maybe you're keeping yourself in a constant state of withdrawal...not sure, just a guess.
I was taking 10 mg of hydrocodone and 500 mg of acetominophen in each pill...10 a day...dang, that's a lot of Tylenol.
I'm not sure about the liver...hopefully caught in enough time not to do any permanent damage...never got that checked.
When do you start your sub treatment? Keep us posted.

[Lazer]

Angela, I'm taking 13 pills a day with 650mg of Tylenol in them. That's a lot. How long were you taking that amount and did you ever take more?

[mpvt]

Lazer: Are you taking these pills for pain??If you are then you should really get on a long acting opiate like oxycontin or ms contin.You are ingesting alot of tylenol and yes it can damage your liver.If your addicted to the pills and don't have a legit pain problem then you should look into buprenorphene to help you quit.The web site is www.suboxone.com . Good luck.....Dave

[Lazer]

I am literally having a panic attack. I used to take these for pain and panic attacks, now I am hooked on them, not taking them for pain. I have a Suboxone appointment next week but I take Klonopin 4 times a day and they say that combination can kill you. It will take a while to get myself off of the Klonopin and by that time I WILL HAVE RUN OUT OF DARVOCET. I KNOW YOU USE TO TAKE A LOT Dave, BUT ARE YOU TELLING ME I AM TAKING MORE THAN EVERYONE ELSE? Is there anyone out there who has taken this amount or more and I know I have asked this question before. I am so afraid that I may have killed myself from these. I can't function without them. I have cancer, a dead Thyroid gland, found out I a have dangerously high blood pressure-I think I am going to lose it![xx(][V][xx(][V]

[nymommy]

just swallowed my last 2 vics ..4:00 est..i actually kissed them goodbye before i took them...tommorrow 8:00am will be in my doctors office where he will monitor me for 2 hrs as i take my sub..got my sub from a specific drug store he told me about..i got ambien for sleep~~~~lisa how bad was it going cold turkey??? i already shut down one of my sources (the neighbor) my second source (the one i pay) will be shut down very abruptly, i will get pleasure doing that..lisa , if you feel badly about cutting off your sources because they need $$$, maybe they should consider a second job..really not your problem..these people feed on people like us my "friend" just got a whole lot more thinking i'm a sure thing ..well now he'll be stuck w/ them..or he can find another sucker! actually made an appt w/ the shrink too..she seemed amazing, told me not to worry about insurance, she'd work it out...where do you hear that anymore?? going there 9:00 thursday morn..i'm on a roll..hope it works for me..~~~angela how is it off the sub? my doc said i'd be on it for 6-8 wks..does that seem right...well heres the kicker, while i'm in the middle of my wd's tonite..i'll be in madison square garden w/ my kids (THE WHO again)..never been to a concert straight, let alone detoxing....great..i realy feel hopeful and slightly proud of myself...i do think the therapy will be essential..the sub for the physical,,,shrink for the mental..thanks for listening guys!!!

[Kaidog]

nymommy:

"I actually kissed them goodbye before I took them."

LMAO. Keep that sense of humor woman. It will be useful in the coming days. Best of luck.

I'd like to post more but have to get out the door to a meeting across town.

Still no sleep but I really am feeling better each day.

cranky:

How you doing dude? Check in when you get a chance and let us know how things are going.

Day 7 nearly complete here. I can now ofically stary counting the weeks instead of the days. Yeah me!!

Thanks to everyone whos posts here and shares their fears, victories and failures. We can all win if we are willing to tought it out.

The Who???????????

I thought I was the only one here old enough to remember them live.

If you can remember the 60's you weren't really there.

[Kaidog]

Geeze, I REALLY need to start proof reading my posts before posting.

[nymommy]

oh one more thing..i truly feel if i didnt stumble upon this site (was lurking for a few days prior) i wouldnt have taken the steps i have..you guys were the kick in the ass i needed...

[nymommy]

kaidog...i dont remember the 60's cause i wasnt here yet..i dont remember the 70's for reasons i think you can figure out, but whats up w/ my kids lovin classic rock, my husband and i love it, it makes for easy car rides Q1o4 all the way ( ny's classic rock station)

[unclenasty93]

Lazer, I just wanted to share with you how much I have taken in a day so you will hopefully feel better. When I was on percocet I was taking around 25 10/650mg pills a day. So that is 25 doses of 650mg of acetaminophen daily. I was also at one point using 35 of the 5/325 percs daily. That was 35 doses of 325mg of acetaminophen. Back in the late 90s, when my drug of choice was vicodin, I was using about 20 of the 5/500mg tabs daily, 20 doses of 500mg of acetaminophen. I abused the hell out of my liver for many years and I am just fine. I did have elevated enzymes for a while right after quittng, but they always normalized. The liver is the only organ that can regenerate. That doesn't mean that we can't destroy it with using, but it can take a beating and be o.k. You really are not using all that much. I am not trying to belittle your situation, but compared to what other people have used your doses are not that high. Go to the doctor and have him order labs. They will test liver function and you will know for sure.

[LISA GIRL]

Kaidog.. I know what you mean about the proofreading. I just reread my early morning post..a lot of it is "off." lol

NMMOMMy...How bad was the cold turkey? It was not fun. In fact it sucked. But by the time I figured out how badly it sucked I was a few days in and wasn't throwing away those first two days for nothing. The worst part was the not sleeping and the "restless legs" (RLS) If you have never had RLS it is difficult to explain but it is ANNOYING as hell. By day 5 the doctor gave me the ambien and I slept like a baby. You will be glad to have that. I think you are right about the therapy. I have thought I have probably needed that for years. I may look into that too..if I ever get that appointment! They did call back today but I haven't listened to the message yet.. just saw in on the caller i.d.


Angela..Really interested to see how you do w/o the sub. That website that (I forget who) posted on here a while back had me scared about the w/d from that. I really hope it all goes very smoothly for you. Have you had any cravings for pills or still no
desire? I know what you mean about sudden interrruption of service.. SO STRESSFUL.. and why do "sources" never return calls? Why don't they just call and say they are out or whatever instead of making you feel like a frantic power dialing basket case? You notice I use the word "source." "Dealer" just makes me feel dirty. I don't talk about my "dealer." ..only my "source" or "connection." But a rose is a rose, and mommy is right, I shouldn't feel guilty about cutting off the gravy train....even if one is my boss and one has become somewhat of a friend.

Lazer. I think Unclenasty is right. There are lots of people on here taking a much more than you. As he said, doesn't mean you shouldn't have it checked out, but you are not the WORST of the worst by any means. I don't know,but could your ocd and anxiety be contributing to a heightened fear about your medical problems. With all your other health issues it would be natural to be worried, but ease your mind,get the liver panels done and get on the suboxone program asap.. I think you are going next week right?

[Lazer]

Lisa Girl. I have been thinking a lot and I do think the OCD is getting the best of me. I take medication for it and I'm fine as long as I don't have any symptoms. But as soon as I feel something or see something my OCD goes into overdrive.


My Subox. appoint. is a week from today (Tuesday).

[nymommy]

getting ready to go to the sub doc for my dose..its 15hrs w/o..i feel like ****, but it could be the wine i had at the concert last nite..was w/ the neighbor (who gives them out like there pez)..he handed me 2 in the middle of penn station...i reminded him i dont do them anymore,he asked why..i said i felt a problem coming on..he was cool about it..i had a great time w/ my boys last nite..hope this goes well today as i have to go straight to work right after the appt...

[Lazer]

GOOD LUCK NYMOMMY, WE ARE ALL HOPING FOR A SPEEDY AND EASY RECOVERY FOR YOU.

[mpvt]

Lazer: I'm sorry you missunderstood me.I said your taking 10-13 a day which isn't a huge amount but can over time (years) be harmful to your liver among other things.Make sure you go to your suboxone appointment as it will literally change your life.It can take a few days to get the dose right but when you get the right dose you will feel normal and wonderful.Good luck and keep us up to date.....Dave

[LISA GIRL]

Mommy.. For the first time EVER, even after all the percs last night I kept waking up-- 12 am, 2 am, 4 am. Was wondering if I was having sympathetic w/d symptoms for you. You are two hours ahead of me so I was wondering if you were sleeping. You said you were feeling like ****. Which of all the icky symptoms did you have? Can't wait to hear how you are feeling after the first sub dose. I am going to call and confirm my appt time for the sub. Next Thursday afternoon. I assume the first time will be the consultation like yours. Then I can get it at least one more weekend before I quit. I know this is an awful way to think. Once I go to the consultation though, I know I will be anxious to give this a go.

Everyone else have a great day..I will be thinking of, and praying for you all. those in recovery and those who just haven't quite made it there yet............

p.s I asked my boyfriend if he would be interested in coming to this site and looking at some of the posts to try to understand what I am going thru and will be going thru. Again, no interest, no support, nothing. Ending that destructive relationship is at the top of my priority list once I'm clean... if not before. I've never met someone with so little empathy. I really think he's a sociopath..it's like he has NO feelings. one way or another about anything. He didn't seem this way when we met?? He is always telling me how much he wants me to quit but it seems always clouded in an insult not sincere concern. Did I mention we WORK together? Yuck. Thanks for letting me vent.

[Kaidog]

Lisa: Lack of sleep is my only remaining problem. Welcome to the "other world" of those who wander the halls at night. I am stoked however that I don't have the night sweats or the restless legs anymore. Feeling MUCH better.

nymommy: Good luck my friend. I'm told that you will be impressed with the sub. Keep us posted.

lazer: I've got to echo what so many have said already. Many of us have done way WAY more than you have and for much longer than you have. The liver is an amazing thing. I trult does have the ability to repair itself. On top of that, it can take incredible abuse and its more a factor of the length of time (decades) it is abused that makes it breakdown more than the degree of that abuse.

cranky: Still waiting for you to check in. Hope you rae doing well, clean or not.

Day eight for me and feeling really good. No cravings, no night sweats, no dread and most of my energy has returned. Sleep will come again I know, just have to wait it out.

[nymommy]

[V][V][V][V]when i went in this morning had running nose wicked headache, an goosebumps (its 85 degrees here) took one first, went in waiting room..in 15 mins felt real good...40 mins past , took the second (still in waiting room) had to leave for work..he told me to call him in an hour to see how i felt..well that second one was a huge mistake..for the first time ever i had to leave work..felt like morning sickness like you have to puke, but dont..my head is killing me..i called the doc, who i might add gets on the phone right away,he said maybe 2 is too much for me..i started to feel worse i called him again, he says until we tweek the dosage we wont know whats right for me, i asked what happens if this drug dosent agree w/ me..he said we could try a blood pressure med called klonidine..i am soo disappointed, i wonder if i only took the 1 would i have been ok, cuz i did feel great in a short amount of time..right now i'm feeling weird~~~~~~~~~~~~angela i remember you saying you felt pukey....i really cant believe people go ct...how[?]if anyone experienced any of this **** let me know, i dont want to give up, but i certainly cant take a pill that makes me feel like a alien~~~~~lisa : you definitly need one last wkend.i hope this post dosent discourage you, i really never read any negative side effects before

[Kaidog]

nymommy: I've done the klonodine before.............. in the form of a transdermal patch. I't worked o.k., maybe even border line good, but not great. Hope the sub works great at the lower dose.

I've never heard of any problems with the sub before your post. I'm sure it will be fine once you've acclimated yourself to it.

Good luck.

[Angela H]

Mommy~
So sorry you got sick. I did, too. And it was because the initial dosage was way too high. What strength did you take? I started out on 4 mg, which was way too much. The second day I took about 3 mg....still too much. The correct dose for me was 1 1/2-2 mg.
Don't worry...once you find the correct dose, it will make all the difference in the world. How did you feel after the first dose? That was probably all you needed. I think they tend to start you out higher and then go down as needed. I threw up 3 times each day the first 2 days, but was fine after that. Also, Sub makes you sleep really good, too.
Hang in there...just takes some adjusting.

[nymommy]

angela thanks for the reply, i was waiting for you...first i took just 2mgs..felt good (a little blurry vision) then i took the 2nd..about 40 mins later..thats when the **** hit the fan..i threw up 3x (sorry).. now im suppose to take my next dose..he said to only take 1 (2mg)..it's hard to take something that makes me sick, but i'm not giving up,,already called in sick for tommorow...how many mgs. in total do you take per day..arent you coming off soon?..he also said that maybe taking 1 3x a day might work for me..i havent eaten all day

[nymommy]

angela one more question..you said it helps you sleep, my doc also gave me ambieneCR..is that ok...i'd like to wake-up tommorow

[Angela H]

Mommy~
send me an e-mail so I can write you back privately.

[Lazer]

Angela, if there is something you know about Suboxone treatment I would like to hear about it. I am to go to the Doctor on Tuesday but they didn't say anything about being in withdrawel when I go in.

[nymommy]

angela i tried to email you but it bounced back...just got sick again, 1hr after my 2nd dose..im afraid this isnt gonna work

[nymommy]

lazer..if they didnt say you have to be in wd's when you arrive its because you'll have to go back the next day when you are...your first appt will be a consultation

[Angela H]

Mommy~
Sub is an extremely long acting opiate. It has a 36 hour half life. When you said your doctor said 1 3x a day...NO WAY! In fact, it is so strong that some people only have to take it every other day.
I'm also on another forum similar to this....but it's all about sub. Just like this one, but people's threads are only about Sub use. In other words, everyone one this board is on sub. It amazes me how little these doctors know about Sub. All they have to do to be able to treat someone with Sub is to attend an 8 hour class. I was reading on there today about a girl who was taking 8 Percocet 10s a day and her Sub doctor put her on 36 mg. of Sub. Could have killed her.
So, what I'm saying is...please do your research on it before you take it, because they don't know everything...especially if they've just started treating with Sub. My doctor has been treating with it for 3 years and has a lot of experience, including his brother. He had a 30-35 day percocet habit for a long time. And he has been clean 2 years thanks to Sub.
Anyway, I spoke to him today about this problem and he said he would come on here and answer any questions personally. He's coming over at 8:30 cst and will be on here. So if anyone has any specific questions for him, please try to post them before 8:30. He will be here for about an hour and told me he would answer every question.
So, if anyone is interested, please post under this topic.

[LISA GIRL]

mommy... Freaked out when I signed on and saw all the red faces! Wow your experience sounds way worse than anything I experienced going c/t. The c/t was only really bad (other than chills) at night b/c of no sleep. I have even thought about going that route again if I could get some ambien to help me sleep and get thru the RLS. That sucks.. I hope you can tweak your dosage. I have an appt next Thursday. I was at work so I couldn't ask many questions but I had a friend call. She told her that I don't have to be in w/d when I go in. I can take the pills with me and start when I want. I was going to start on a Monday after a final binge, but after reading your post think it might be best to start on a Friday if I don't want to miss work. You would think they would start you out slow and if it doesn't work, give you more rather than starting you out too high and having to decrease it. Do you think the wine you had last night would have had anything to do with it? That should have been out of your system? I'm not sure how long alcohol stays in the bloodstream but didn't you say you were not supposed to drink while on it? Did you ever read that post from Clueless who posted a link to a sub site that had other people's experiences with the sub?.. some good some bad. You might check that out. Man, keep us informed. I hope you feel better tonight!

[LISA GIRL]

Angela.. That's awesome that your doctor will be here to answer questions! I hope Mommy isn't too sick to check in. Too bad this is not live chat. Thank you for being here for us miserable folk!